5:12 pm May 28, 2009, by David O'Brien
May 28th, 200910:18 pm
When I think of Francoeur I always think of this:
“Francoeur asked for $3.95 million and the team offered $2.8 million. He settled near the midpoint (one-year, $3.375 million contract), and can earn an additional $25,000 with 685 plate appearances”
Just think if he actually got his asking price of nearly 4 million.
We need to cut the dead weight. Send Failcoeur, Queefer, and Norton Hears a Hoo to the minors and call up Barton, Blanco, & Carnivares (sp?). Maybe even Brandon Jones. Point being, this lineup needs to be shaken up before were 10 games out.
Heck, is Jeff better than Greg Norton?
Mixxo, Get out of my mind.
Nothing gets by us!!
Gregor Blanco’s OPS is now a pitiful .629. Schafer’s OPS is .623 right now, as awful as he’s been.
May 28th, 200910:19 pm
it just makes me not want to watch them. thats why i sit here and bash them and it makes me feel better
Schafer's Facial Expression
May 28th, 200910:20 pm
Dass my charlie-sheen lookin’ brutha wit dat double. I’d'a went three, though. Strikes, I mean.
Two men on, Francoeur, Hernandez and Shafer useless at-bats. I’ll watch Orlando & Cleveland. Good luck Braves though.
KJ is not a problem, as streaky as he may be. And I’m not saying that after his double.
May 28th, 200910:21 pm
I will Admit It I was on that Trade for Eric Byrnes Bandwagon…
Didn’t he hit 20 homers and steal 50 bases in 07…Hell he was probably on HGH or Ginseng….
Northern Braves fan
DOB, in your opinion what was a worse scam, Madoff’s ponzi scheme, or Francouers arbitration hearing in which he was able to up his salary?
Joe Simpson must think he’s on the blog.
May 28th, 200910:22 pm
Chipper, where you at?
Nice to hear Frenchy’s not acting like Tex.
It’s easy to joke about somebody when it’s going badly, I do it myself, sometimes to the extreme. It’s getting past the joking stage with Jeff.
I feel sorry for the guy. He’s gotta be pressing like crazy. If he’s not, he’s not human.
I agree, why not KJ in center for at least a game. Schafer is an automatic out
Northern Braves fan…. Braves and Francoeur settled without going to an arby hearing.
May 28th, 200910:23 pm
He’s with me. You’re a real man, PWH.
Jordan Schafer, SPRING TRAINING PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
what I did is nothing compared to Francoer’s thievery!
Nice hit by Gimper!
Mama there goes that man!!!!!!!
May 28th, 200910:24 pm
Northern Braves Fan – there was no arbitration hearing for Jeff – they reached an agreement on the number in the middle just before the hearing. GO Chipper!!
Hey, Wasn’t Norton the best Pinch hitter in the league last year as some of the bloggers claimed on here…
I’m not hatin on Nawton… But Pinch Hitting is a hard skill to perform as some people seem to not understand…
Well, at least that rules out a shutout.
LT- A Blogger
Just missed it- nice CJ.
It’ll never get past the joking stage with Hammy btw…
Geez, Joe and his apologia on the TV. Saying Kelly made the right decision not to go to third on his drive to right. If he had been running full tilt at the start, there would not have been a question with their outfielder fumbling the ball. He would have scored from third on Casey’s grounder.
That’s the way to do it Hoss!
You only have 27 outs to work with in a game, and it makes all the sense in the world to use them effectively. Let’s look at the reigning champs for a minute; I’ve said it before and will again: A typical fly-ball to right by Shane Victorino last year had as much to do with their success as a typical three-run homer by Ryan Howard.
Nutritionists discuss calories vs. empty calories, and folks like me discuss outs vs. productive outs. I recommend bringing up Gregor Blanco to play center and bat leadoff and moving Jordan Schafer to Triple A in an effort to fill the holes in his swing.
Please don’t tell me about Blanco’s current numbers at Gwinnett, just like I’d rather not hear about Schafer’s numbers in spring training. Blanco has proven that he can play here; Schafer hasn’t–except defensively, an area which, to his credit, has been exceptional.
Blanco is also the fastest guy on our 40-man roster and the only guy you can look at as being a natural leadoff hitter. He also has productive at-bats consistently and fouls off a lot of pitches, which aggravates pitchers and gives teammates a bird’s-eye view of a pitcher’s repertoire (just ask Pete Van Wieren, who commented many times on Blanco’s fouling pitches to the same spot). Obviously, it’s one thing to lead the game off by grounding out on your second pitch and another to ground out on your ninth or tenth pitch.
I’d go: GREGOR BLANCO–CF; DIORY HERNANDEZ–2B (more speed); CHIPPER JONES–3B; JEFF FRANCOEUR–RF; BRIAN McCANN–C; YUNEL ESCOBAR–SS; CASEY KOTCHMAN–1B; KELLY JOHNSON–LF.
I wouldn’t trade Francoeur. As mentioned, his upside exceeds his downside, and his not batting cleanup is hurting him and the team. It really is. He also is a great role model and PR guy. When he said, “I just flat-out stink.” a year ago, the fact that he said “stink” and not the alternative speaks well of him.
There we go Hoss, About Time You do something…! Maybe this will get the Awfense going!
May 28th, 200910:25 pm
Way to go Chipper!!! In any other park, that would have been a homer.
Eric from MO
Northern I thought the Braves and Francouer avoided arbitration hearings? I could be wrong but I thought they agreed about a week before them.
Well we got our run for the night.
Top five batters all gots hits. Not us down here, though. We chill.
That was hilarious! What a nut
Again we have a bit of delay with the internet, and Chipper saves the day.
Braves have finally broke through against a very good pitcher…and…have caused him to throw 50 pitches so far here in the 3rd inning. The guys aren’t doing too bad.
Francoer does not handle pressure well. If we had an absolute power hitting left fielder, he could be fine maybe. He can’t handle the pressure imo-unfortunate!
might as well walk mccann and garret intentionally. guaranteed to limit the damage.
Braves and Francoeur settled without going to an arby hearing.
Amazing too. The Braves met and the middle and vastly overpaid for what was probably the easiest, most slam-dunk arbitration case ever. Francoeur wanted 3.95 million and everyone agreed he had no shot to win.
But going to hearing would “destroy his confidence.” Gosh, what would he be playing like if his confidence was destroy in that arb. meeting?
May 28th, 200910:26 pm
Norton was the best pinch-hitter in the NL last year. It’s fact. It’s not opinion. Look it up.
Thank you Chipper. Even with a bad wheel he’s more productive than Schafer and Frenchy put together. Shoot, I think Chip could stroll up on crutches or roll up in a wheelchair and manage that.
May 28th, 200910:27 pm
Tomahawkin I disagree with Pinch-hitting being a hard skill. I dont claim it isnt hard but I think it is more luck. With so few at-bats 4 hits can make a bad pinch hitter into a really good pinch hitter. This is just my opinion.
pryguy – that’s my favorite call in sports right now. Love it. lol
hey peter didnt realize you were such a huge braves fan…its brett. montag freshman year haha. nice blog by the way
May 28th, 200910:28 pm
Haha, my buddies and I are using it as much as possible, it’s great.
Somebody please point out this bad defense Diory is supposed to have. I’ve yet to see it.
May 28th, 200910:29 pm
way to go we got a run!!!!! runs are about as little as money in our treasury.
As mentioned, his upside exceeds
And what “upside” is that? Upside is used for younger players with little experience: not a player going on 26 who has played in nearly 600 games and has over 2,300 major league at-bats.
At some point, you gotta admit that the .309 career OBP is who Francoeur is. He is an out-maker.
May 28th, 200910:30 pm
Maybe Bobby Cox should consider separating the professional hitters in the lineup. Maybe alternating them (Chipper, McCann, Kotchman, and Anderson…possibly KJ) with the guys that are incapable of hitting major league pitching (Francoeur, Schafer, Hernandez, and the pitcher)…
Right now, putting Francoeur, Hernandez, Schafer, and the pitcher in consecutive spots in the order is literally giving the Braves 5-6 chances to hit in each game, rather than the 9 chances provided by the rulebook.
Ronald Millsaps, even you can see that ! Oh ! wait a minute, He’s blind ! And so are you !!! You got to be kidding !!!!
b.jones hitting over .300, over .340 against rightys and he’s down there and francine here, prima donna jordan waffer needs a reality check and a marta ride to gwinnett, fast
May 28th, 200910:31 pm
Eric From MO
Good Point…About the Luck thing and pinch hitting…
But to sit on the bench all game and then come out against a teams set up man or closer is hard to make the most out of 7 pitches max
is this love
i thought for sure it was going to be jeff porter
May 28th, 200910:32 pm
Thanks for the correction guys, obviously the point was that it was a joke for Frenchy to make money after the season he had last year. If anything he should pay the people who bought tickets and MLBTV
where is brad komminsk when you need him?
How about trading Francoeur straight up for Mark Derosa? Similar salaries. Although Cleveland doesn’t really need corner outfielders. They have LaPorta and the Choo Choo train.
May 28th, 200910:33 pm
OMG they were Playing Old Bone Thugs N Harmony “Notorious Thugs” For Augie Ojeda
That damn Song is a classic Rap song…Great beat
What You Know about that old Bone…?
Times are so tought in the outfield, you might have to grit your teeth and welcome the Reaper with open arms if we could somehow get him in a trade.
But, we know you’ll never have to do that.
Somebody get on base so I can get my whiff on.
Lowe rolling again. Great to see!
May 28th, 200910:34 pm
Let’s face it, with this lineup, there is no way we can compete in the division over 162 games. As tempting as it might seem, a trade is not going to change that. The past few yrs have shown that the Braves “buy high and sell low”….we would get nothing in return for Frenchy right now. It will be at least one more, probably two yrs before the young guns in the minors are ready to step up.
WnineBrenner and The Yanks will land Derosa, “Bank On It!”
MLBtraderumors.com has the lastest 411 about Winebrenner pursuing Derosa
Bravesdave then they could just walk Chipper or Mac or who ever and pitch to Schafer or Francouer or the pitcher.
May 28th, 200910:35 pm
We gots one dumb outfield. Frenchy is country dumb. I’m city dumb. Garret… he just dumb dumb.
Any Westminster grads on the blog tonight?
trade kotchman and mccann at first. use him to get an outfielder…
May 28th, 200910:36 pm
I believe ChaseField has the Largest MLB VideoBoard Now… Looks Nice, I love Retractable roof stadiums BTW…
that is put Mccann at first and use sammons or ross at catcher.
The Truth why would Cleveland trade DeRosa for Francouer?
Im going to predict the next innning. Anderson Groundout, Francoeur pop up. Hernadez groundout
May 28th, 200910:37 pm
jeff will strike out again
May 28th, 200910:38 pm
Diory got to get on or I can’t strand nobody.
Francoer does not handle pressure well. If we had an absolute power hitting left fielder, he could be fine maybe. He can’t handle the pressure imo-unfortunate! groundfog
When JF came up he was among the leaders for a couple of years in batting average with RISP. He was the man you wanted up with men on base. That disappeared with his power.
I’m gonna Stop Commenting on Frenchy…! Words can even Express my opinions about him
And Joe Stop making excuses
May 28th, 200910:39 pm
C’mon Diory the Explora!
whats Francoeur’s states for the last 7 games. does anyone no. Is he like 0 for 20 or something? can someone verify that
May 28th, 200910:40 pm
its funny to watch the expressions in the dugout. they are all carrying a chip on their shoulders. they all know they stink
Keylargo as a rook he felt no pressure-now is quite different.
no i don’t want to whiten my teeth. these ajc ads are killing me
May 28th, 200910:41 pm
The natural has naturally lost his abilities to play baseball. How sad.
turning the page.
I hope I never sit near some of you at any game ever. I might get arrested, and I have never been arrested before.
Francoeur is 8for26 his last 7 games before tonight.
May 28th, 200910:42 pm
I like Joe Simpson, but it seems to me he has become the biggest Jeff Francouer apologist anywhere…
Is Joe Simpson dating Jeff Francoeur?? Seriously, how many more excuses can he make for Jeff? Now, pitchers aren’t making any mistakes when they are facing Jeff? Ummmmmmmm, maybe that is because Jeff is such an easy out. The opposing pitcher can relax and throw the ball anywhere and Jeff will get himself out. There is no pressure to force a mistake.
Enough already. I can’t handle it anymore. I am a Dolphins fan and this is officially worse than watching Jay Fiedler try to fill Dan Marino’s shoes season after season after season when he was clearly an inadequate NFL QB. It is over. Francoeur needs to be removed from this team, regardless of how that is accomplished.
well you all saw what happened with andruw jones. he found himself on another team. Frenchy is a goner. its just a matter of time.
May 28th, 200910:43 pm
LOL, I’m usually Chillax at the games checking out the Chicks while getting tuned up…! You don’t have to worry about me
All season, it has been painful to listen to the Braves announcers when Francoeur bats. It’s like listening to all 3 coaches and the parents of a 10th place hitter in a little league game.
If anything, Blanco is trade sweetener. He didn’t show that he could really handle big league pitching last year. I don’t see him as a short-term or long-term answer for the Braves’ ails. I’d much rather see Brandon Jones get some ABs.
(Russell Martin just had a very late slide into second base to break up a DP in the Cubs-Dodgers game. That’s the kind of shizzle that starts really good brawls. Musta been hangin out with Dahntay Jones).
But … did anyone know that Vick and the Human Society are ‘using each other’? Says so on the ajc.com/sports front page.
I’m glad the Humane Society is looking after animals. Maybe the Human Society is looking after the better interests of people. It’s about time!
Dan Haren is going to go seven strong tonight.
Eric from MO- I don’t know. Thought maybe they would take the guy that is younger and controlled for two more seasons. But I have a feeling Jeff will be released by years end, regardless of what team he is on. No team is going to be willing to pay him more than 3 million. So he is really just a 4 months rental at this point.
May 28th, 200910:44 pm
Agreed, I’m tired of this Atlanta “Golden Boy” Thing for Francoeur
Rodney Derrick: Where in my comment that you referenced did I say you weren’t allowed to boo Francoeur or anyone else, and to expect better — or expect whatever you want? You can expect him to be Mickey Mantle, for all I care. Seriously, your prerogative.
Where did I even suggest that? I just said I feel bad for the guy. If you don’t, perfectly fine by me. Then say it. But don’t try to suggest to me what I should think or write about the subject.
weak GA is already hitting .272………………just saying.
Anyone seen the KJ “defensive” lovers?
May 28th, 200910:45 pm
kelly bobbled it. Trade HIM!!!
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