I’m going to keep posting the same thing every time people suggest Gorkys as a replacement for Schafer.
Career Minor League Stats:
Jordan Schafer: .270/.339/.447 – 178 ISOP, 69 Batter’s Eye
Gorkys Hernandez: .295/.354/.405 – 110 ISOP, 59 Batter’s Eye
Schafer had 2 and 2/3 full seasons plus a rookie league shortened season.
Gorkys has had 2 full seasons and a rookie league shortened season (plus this one).
AA stats:
Gorkys Hernandez: .339/.393/.417 – 78 ISOP, 54 Batter’s Eye
Jordan Schafer: .269/.378/.471 – 202 ISOP, 109 Batter’s Eye
Neither one of them is ready for the big leagues, but based on their minor league track records, Schafer is much more ready than Gorkys. Gorkys displays very, very little secondary offense (other than sb). He doesn’t hit for power, he doesn’t really draw that many walks, and most of his stats are batting-average driven. Part of the reason his average is so high is he legs out infield singles all the time. One of the biggest differences between minor league baseball and MLB is the defenses in MLB are far superior to those in MiLB. You can’t tell me that if Gorkys were called up today you’d expect him to fare better against MLB pitching than Schafer currently is. Take away a few singles and a few doubles from Gorkys just due to the better defenses, and he’s already looking like a replacement level player. And we haven’t even accounted for the fact that the pitchers are way, WAY better. Schafer is struggling right now because he can’t hit MLB pitching like he could hit MiLB pitching. But he’s providing secondary skills with his bat and in the field which make him not a total black hole of a roster spot. While Gorkys would provide a similar level of defense, he’s not really capable of providing the secondary offensive skills that Schafer possesses, and he ain’t going to jump into MLB from AA and hit .339 (which is what he has to do to be an above-average offensive player), or even .285, so calling up Gorkys is NOT the solution.
I do feel bad for him, because the guy (Francoeur) really does want to be good, and cares. This is killing him. He’s not just shrugging his shoulders and saying, “That’s baseball.” He really isn’t doing that. If all of you could see him on a daily basis, in the clubhouse, etc, you’d know what I mean.
Frenchy and Schafer strikeout when we need them, what’s new. It may have been Dan Haren pitching but I think they could have ran out one of their bat boys and got the same result.
Shafer is overmatched. He needs to be sent down to work on not only his hitting but his defense. Not a thing wrong with doing that and I see no reason why he can’t be a regular one day. Just not yet.
Agreed from one of your previous blogs our 6-8 hitters have to be last in the league in production no matter who hits in those slots. Our 6th through 8th sluts are Automatic outs and have been all season ever since the 6th game of the season…
You know, I have seen a couple of people say that Schafer is so bad and does not need to be hitting 1st and Kelly is the only option. Thing is, Kelly hits SO much better lower in the order, and Schafer is just about an automatic out hitting 1st or 8th. So, why not switch them! It would probably be less pressure on Kelly and thus give us some offense when he hits.
We can all feel bad for Frenchy, DOB, but the guy still is getting 3 1/2 million playing a game for seven months of the year. I expect most of us on the blog have not made even a million our entire work lives. So we are all frustrated too and fans are allowed to boo and to expect better.
I was listening on tv and they said that the pitcher really toughened up after those 2 hits. hahahahaha
give me a break. Why cant these guys hit if they practice all the time.
I think the problem is terry pendleton. You never hear of him doing anything. I have heard of chipper going to shaffer and talking to him but never TP. come on guys…
I think FRANCOEUR should see if CLEMSON is still holding that football scholarship for him. He could do a CHRIS WEINKE or QUINCY CARTER. He is big enough now to play linebcker. Oh wait a minute, linebackers have to hit somebody, FRENCHY can”t hit the side of a barn. FORGET THAT THOUGHT!
Hard to believe….Braves Murderer’s Row Francouer-Hernandez-Schaeffer all strike out with two on. This Braves lineup is one of the worst in baseball history. No power, numerous strikeouts, hobbled star (Chipper), disinterested check-collector (Andersen). At least we have the most feared cleanup man in the game Martin Prado. What a disaster!
why feel sorry for francine, millionaire, 3mill raise, could’ve bunted mccann over but didn’t wanna give up the out for the team, instead looked awful as usual
WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING HERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT WRENN CANT JUST CHANGE A TEAM OVER NIGHT. BUT GEEEZZZ… WE GOT TO DO SOMETHINNG AND DO IT QUICK. I UNDERSTAND OUTS BUT NOT THIS KIND OF STRIKE OUTS AND NON PRODUCTION.
I’m at Dark Star with the fam for a long weekend. There isn’t a channel guide in this room. Any idea what channel the game is on here? Just thought you’d know from all the time you spent here. Stars Wars weekend is coming up…wonder if I’ll see any geeks?
DOB, if Frenchy truly cares, he shouldn’t mind being sent down to AAA Gwinnett and try to figure things out…..somehow, I don’t think he “cares” that much
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Jeff321
May 28th, 2009
10:02 pm
Frenchy swings at one about two feet outside.
pryguy
May 28th, 2009
10:02 pm
true to form, struck him out! here come the rants…
Frankie Knuckles
May 28th, 2009
10:02 pm
Hey man, at least you got rich
Heath (Cleveland)
May 28th, 2009
10:02 pm
…he shoulda bunted…
David O'Brien
May 28th, 2009
10:02 pm
That might have been a foot outside, that pitch Francoeur swung at.
Catcher was setting up outside to begin with, and it was six inches beyond that.
Rob in Mobile
May 28th, 2009
10:02 pm
And the beat goes on………..
Mixxo
May 28th, 2009
10:03 pm
Jeffrey….raisin’ that trade value …..little by little.
i cant take it anymore
May 28th, 2009
10:03 pm
nice cut by frenchy with a runner on second
PWHjort
May 28th, 2009
10:03 pm
I’m going to keep posting the same thing every time people suggest Gorkys as a replacement for Schafer.
Career Minor League Stats:
Jordan Schafer: .270/.339/.447 – 178 ISOP, 69 Batter’s Eye
Gorkys Hernandez: .295/.354/.405 – 110 ISOP, 59 Batter’s Eye
Schafer had 2 and 2/3 full seasons plus a rookie league shortened season.
Gorkys has had 2 full seasons and a rookie league shortened season (plus this one).
AA stats:
Gorkys Hernandez: .339/.393/.417 – 78 ISOP, 54 Batter’s Eye
Jordan Schafer: .269/.378/.471 – 202 ISOP, 109 Batter’s Eye
Neither one of them is ready for the big leagues, but based on their minor league track records, Schafer is much more ready than Gorkys. Gorkys displays very, very little secondary offense (other than sb). He doesn’t hit for power, he doesn’t really draw that many walks, and most of his stats are batting-average driven. Part of the reason his average is so high is he legs out infield singles all the time. One of the biggest differences between minor league baseball and MLB is the defenses in MLB are far superior to those in MiLB. You can’t tell me that if Gorkys were called up today you’d expect him to fare better against MLB pitching than Schafer currently is. Take away a few singles and a few doubles from Gorkys just due to the better defenses, and he’s already looking like a replacement level player. And we haven’t even accounted for the fact that the pitchers are way, WAY better. Schafer is struggling right now because he can’t hit MLB pitching like he could hit MiLB pitching. But he’s providing secondary skills with his bat and in the field which make him not a total black hole of a roster spot. While Gorkys would provide a similar level of defense, he’s not really capable of providing the secondary offensive skills that Schafer possesses, and he ain’t going to jump into MLB from AA and hit .339 (which is what he has to do to be an above-average offensive player), or even .285, so calling up Gorkys is NOT the solution.
Shamus Thacker
May 28th, 2009
10:03 pm
Peanut Butter Moon Pies are very, very, very, very, very, good. Almost like what Ted Turner said bout the AOL/T-Warner deal. lol
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:03 pm
Man It Is Painful watching this team hit with R.I.S.P and less than 2 outs!!!
McFann :Ô:
May 28th, 2009
10:03 pm
DOB–
He sure is!
Necromancer
May 28th, 2009
10:03 pm
Awfense reeking yet again…
Schafer's Facial Expression
May 28th, 2009
10:04 pm
Here I go… gimme dat whiff juice.
Mixxo
May 28th, 2009
10:04 pm
Automatic out
Rodney Derrick
May 28th, 2009
10:04 pm
That third strike swing by Frenchy was just incredible. The pitch was almost in the first baseman’s hands.
RHR
May 28th, 2009
10:04 pm
Don’t worry guys, K’fer will drive ‘em in.
pryguy
May 28th, 2009
10:04 pm
How can a team win with such ineptitude with their 6-8 hitters?
groundfog
May 28th, 2009
10:04 pm
I felt a breeze in my living room from that Francoer k .
David O'Brien
May 28th, 2009
10:04 pm
I do feel bad for him, because the guy (Francoeur) really does want to be good, and cares. This is killing him. He’s not just shrugging his shoulders and saying, “That’s baseball.” He really isn’t doing that. If all of you could see him on a daily basis, in the clubhouse, etc, you’d know what I mean.
Necromancer
May 28th, 2009
10:05 pm
Moon Pies rulez!!!
i cant take it anymore
May 28th, 2009
10:05 pm
nice cut by logan with the same runner on second. It’s the flat bill curse, the beer says…
Vinings Jim
May 28th, 2009
10:05 pm
Oy
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:05 pm
GAWD THIS AWFENSE BLOWS!!!!
Frank Wren Do Something NOW!!! SHYT!!!
Fluffy McNutter
May 28th, 2009
10:06 pm
I can’t believe Schafer struck out w/men on base. Who’d have thunk it?
Necromancer
May 28th, 2009
10:06 pm
Fathom that…another K’fer strikeout!
bravesphanatic004
May 28th, 2009
10:06 pm
it wasnt like he was late or anything.
Schafer's Facial Expression
May 28th, 2009
10:06 pm
Settin’ records, baby. Settin’ records.
FaninFaytown
May 28th, 2009
10:06 pm
I am sick of the damn strikeouts jesus christ!!!
Ambrosine
May 28th, 2009
10:06 pm
Stenchy and K’fer: dynamic duo.
Loaf gots a hit dough.
Bravesfan
May 28th, 2009
10:06 pm
Frenchy and Schafer strikeout when we need them, what’s new. It may have been Dan Haren pitching but I think they could have ran out one of their bat boys and got the same result.
Mixxo
May 28th, 2009
10:06 pm
Siddown Schafe!
My Gawd this is getting old folks! Yet, I keep watching…..
Cuck-a-too
May 28th, 2009
10:07 pm
Hey Look another Schafer Strikeout…the sun will come up this morning…
Jeff321
May 28th, 2009
10:07 pm
Just to compare the Dodgers lineup (without Manny) and the Braves.. Matt Kemp is batting 8th today.
Rob in Mobile
May 28th, 2009
10:07 pm
Lots of air being circulated in the desert this evening, courtesy of Huey, Dewey, and Louie, our 6-7-8 hitters…….
RHR
May 28th, 2009
10:07 pm
I suggest, FaninFaytown, that you find something else to watch then.
Tokyo Bravo
May 28th, 2009
10:07 pm
Bottom of the lineup not exactly Murderer’s Row is it?
Well, unless you mean by that that they’re killing US!
That was one ugly series of ABs.
RCinATL
May 28th, 2009
10:08 pm
Yet another rally killed by the efforts of Francoeur and Schafer.
HuffBraves
May 28th, 2009
10:08 pm
Bottom of the Braves lineup: where rallies go to die
Rob in Mobile
May 28th, 2009
10:08 pm
Mixxo, it’s sort of like a train wreck. You want to turn the other way, but you can’t help yourself and you look anyway……..
keylargo
May 28th, 2009
10:08 pm
Shafer is overmatched. He needs to be sent down to work on not only his hitting but his defense. Not a thing wrong with doing that and I see no reason why he can’t be a regular one day. Just not yet.
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:08 pm
D.O.B.
Agreed from one of your previous blogs our 6-8 hitters have to be last in the league in production no matter who hits in those slots. Our 6th through 8th sluts are Automatic outs and have been all season ever since the 6th game of the season…
TNScott
May 28th, 2009
10:08 pm
Well, that was real Kute. But all too typical.
Mixxo
May 28th, 2009
10:09 pm
DOB @ 10:04
I agree and I feel for the guy too. I’m out of answers however.
bravesgirlnc
May 28th, 2009
10:09 pm
You know, I have seen a couple of people say that Schafer is so bad and does not need to be hitting 1st and Kelly is the only option. Thing is, Kelly hits SO much better lower in the order, and Schafer is just about an automatic out hitting 1st or 8th. So, why not switch them! It would probably be less pressure on Kelly and thus give us some offense when he hits.
Schafer's Facial Expression
May 28th, 2009
10:09 pm
The KKK is suin’ my ass for copyright infringement.
Jeff Francoeur's Mom
May 28th, 2009
10:09 pm
Time to pack it in boy, and come on home. You swing like a wash woman. I am embarrased to be your mother.
Shamus Thacker
May 28th, 2009
10:09 pm
Teams pitch to Frenchy the way they pitched to Dale Murphy at the end.
Murph would lunge at wild pitches outside…
Sativa Rose
May 28th, 2009
10:09 pm
Another K for Mark Reynolds
Phillip Jarrett
May 28th, 2009
10:10 pm
How can the Braves expect their fans to pay good money to watch the same lack of offense every single night?
Rodney Derrick
May 28th, 2009
10:10 pm
We can all feel bad for Frenchy, DOB, but the guy still is getting 3 1/2 million playing a game for seven months of the year. I expect most of us on the blog have not made even a million our entire work lives. So we are all frustrated too and fans are allowed to boo and to expect better.
pittifull
May 28th, 2009
10:11 pm
I was listening on tv and they said that the pitcher really toughened up after those 2 hits. hahahahaha
give me a break. Why cant these guys hit if they practice all the time.
I think the problem is terry pendleton. You never hear of him doing anything. I have heard of chipper going to shaffer and talking to him but never TP. come on guys…
Cactus Jack
May 28th, 2009
10:11 pm
Jim Edmonds is still a free agent
Bravesfan
May 28th, 2009
10:11 pm
I’m beginning to wonder if the Phillies or Mets have an extra player in their salary book. Somebody check Frenchy’s banks account for bribe money.
BigMacAttack
May 28th, 2009
10:11 pm
Francoeur, Diory, and Schafer. What a great trio of rookies to have all in a row …..
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:11 pm
Gawd K-Fer’s Defense is Overrated!!! And has been all season
Fluffy McNutter
May 28th, 2009
10:11 pm
Reynolds strikes out a ton, but at least he offers pretty solid production around the strikeouts. He’s got an .890 OPS and 10 SB. Not bad at all.
groundfog
May 28th, 2009
10:12 pm
Schafer can’t even field. Ok, how did Schafer get a copy of the Bobby picture file?
keylargo
May 28th, 2009
10:12 pm
There is a perfect example of what Schafer needs. Tried to cut the ball off to quick and it got by to the wall for a triple instead of a double.
RHR
May 28th, 2009
10:12 pm
Right on, Rodney @ 10:10
freshd
May 28th, 2009
10:12 pm
I think FRANCOEUR should see if CLEMSON is still holding that football scholarship for him. He could do a CHRIS WEINKE or QUINCY CARTER. He is big enough now to play linebcker. Oh wait a minute, linebackers have to hit somebody, FRENCHY can”t hit the side of a barn. FORGET THAT THOUGHT!
pittifull
May 28th, 2009
10:12 pm
lets bring up somebody and give them a chance. these guys have proved that they cant do it.
groundfog
May 28th, 2009
10:12 pm
When you join the Braves, do they hand out the Bobby pictures to everybody? geez
Heath (Cleveland)
May 28th, 2009
10:12 pm
A “K” here from Lowe here would be nice…Franceour and Schafer have plenty to spare…
bravesgirlnc
May 28th, 2009
10:13 pm
Agreed Tomahawkin. Agreed. He looks flat bad out there some days.
Unknown
May 28th, 2009
10:13 pm
This offense is bad, i mean horrible. Our 6, 7, 8 hitters are killing us.
Mixxo
May 28th, 2009
10:13 pm
Rob in Mobile – Man, you’re not kiddin’. I feel like one of those rubberneckers.
Wow! Ya’ll see the glare Lowe just shot at K’fer for that sad route to the ball?
If looks could kill…..
TNScott
May 28th, 2009
10:13 pm
Although I hoped he would return to his 2007 form, it maybe time for him to be dealt for his own sanity ala Kyle Davies.
Frankie Knuckles
May 28th, 2009
10:13 pm
Did ya’ll see Lowe give K’fer the stink eye after that poor route?
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:13 pm
I think It was a year ago everyone and they mama was wanting us to trade for Eric Byrnes…Where did those talks go…?
I think he has fallen off bad from signing that big contract…
Dr. K
May 28th, 2009
10:13 pm
Hard to believe….Braves Murderer’s Row Francouer-Hernandez-Schaeffer all strike out with two on. This Braves lineup is one of the worst in baseball history. No power, numerous strikeouts, hobbled star (Chipper), disinterested check-collector (Andersen). At least we have the most feared cleanup man in the game Martin Prado. What a disaster!
Unknown
May 28th, 2009
10:13 pm
Thats the ballgame.
Sativa Rose
May 28th, 2009
10:13 pm
They hand out Sativa Rose pictures
johnny bravo
May 28th, 2009
10:13 pm
why feel sorry for francine, millionaire, 3mill raise, could’ve bunted mccann over but didn’t wanna give up the out for the team, instead looked awful as usual
Necromancer
May 28th, 2009
10:13 pm
a 1-0 score will be too much for this awfense to overcome!
Zap Rowsdower
May 28th, 2009
10:14 pm
Wow loaf, great effort. Good flippin grief
Fluffy McNutter
May 28th, 2009
10:14 pm
Hope we find an offense before we face the Yankees and Red Sox.
Heath (Cleveland)
May 28th, 2009
10:14 pm
…I guess Lowe couldn’t get those guys to share.
Wes
May 28th, 2009
10:14 pm
like i said, with runners on and those two comin up…might as well change the channel to another game because the score aint changing
Mark P.
May 28th, 2009
10:14 pm
I agree unknown. thats the ball game
common sense
May 28th, 2009
10:14 pm
WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING HERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT WRENN CANT JUST CHANGE A TEAM OVER NIGHT. BUT GEEEZZZ… WE GOT TO DO SOMETHINNG AND DO IT QUICK. I UNDERSTAND OUTS BUT NOT THIS KIND OF STRIKE OUTS AND NON PRODUCTION.
Trey06
May 28th, 2009
10:14 pm
Oh well.
Gregor Blanco
May 28th, 2009
10:15 pm
I can’t believe this guy gets to play center while I rot in Gwinnett. Somebody please look at my recent stats, especially today’s game.
Wes
May 28th, 2009
10:15 pm
honestly…..maybe shaffer should just start bunting. Every single time he’s up. At least then hed know what CONTACT feels like
Frankie Knuckles
May 28th, 2009
10:15 pm
Mixxo,
Get out of my mind..
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:15 pm
BravesGurlNC
Another reason that K-FER needs to be in AAA…He is killing us in all aspects
He needs to work on his defense
He’s Overmatched at the Plate, He has No range , and If he was stealing bases he’d be ok but he even isn’t doing that…
nfieldr
May 28th, 2009
10:16 pm
Shamus… from the previous page, I’m hoping you’re referring to Ernie SR. If so, then yeah,
you’re not the only one who misses him.
The Truth
May 28th, 2009
10:16 pm
Is Jeff Francoeur better than Brandon Jones?
Mixxo
May 28th, 2009
10:16 pm
Frankie Knuckles
Yeah I caught that. A stink-eye fer sure!
Don’t blame him a bit either. He’s also tired of losing.
Schafer's Facial Expression
May 28th, 2009
10:16 pm
Lowe gimme the stink eye, yeah, I seen it. I gave him two back. It was easy, just turned my head that way.
common sense
May 28th, 2009
10:16 pm
YEAH. AT LEAST BLANCO COULD GET ON BASE ON OCCASION
McFann :Ô:
May 28th, 2009
10:17 pm
Tomahawkin–
Ugh…I was never in on those talks! I think Byrnes bugs me more than the Reaper does!
Fluffy McNutter
May 28th, 2009
10:17 pm
You know you’re struggling when you go 4/5 and it only raises your average to .243. (Gregor Blanco, I’m talking about you.)
18 Wheels of Love
May 28th, 2009
10:17 pm
Hey DOB,
I’m at Dark Star with the fam for a long weekend. There isn’t a channel guide in this room. Any idea what channel the game is on here? Just thought you’d know from all the time you spent here. Stars Wars weekend is coming up…wonder if I’ll see any geeks?
DALE MURPHY
May 28th, 2009
10:17 pm
I couldnt have swung at that outside pitch any better.
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:17 pm
Bob Marley is probably Loaf’s Music, Good Smokeout Music
Martin Prado is a good guess as well
And maybe Esco…
BravesDave
May 28th, 2009
10:17 pm
Opposing pitchers must get so excited when they see this Braves team on the schedule. They are facing half a lineup.
Mark P.
May 28th, 2009
10:18 pm
the only way we have a chance is for someone to hit a homerun
TNScott
May 28th, 2009
10:18 pm
The question of the night. Which will happen first: a Jeff Francoeur homerun with runners on or a Benji Molina infield single?
Pat
May 28th, 2009
10:18 pm
DOB, if Frenchy truly cares, he shouldn’t mind being sent down to AAA Gwinnett and try to figure things out…..somehow, I don’t think he “cares” that much