2:14 pm May 26, 2009, by David O'Brien
May 26th, 20096:58 pm
“Gday all – been out of action for a week or so, just moved into the house in the HaMPTONS”
Sorry to hear that. Your house will be injured in a week or so.
The One & Only Seattle Braves Fan... Thanks, I'll be here all week
Interested in the Giants & Frankie Knuckles — In high school Ishy was a very good player, great defensive player, and had good offensive stats (nothing earth shattering though.) He wasn’t a pitcher persay…but I do remember him toeing the slab a few times when we had a blow out. The thing that I remember the scouts talking about was his unbelievable mechanics at the plate (meaning that he had very little movement and that if they tinkered with just a few things he’d have more power), and has a “baseball frame’… meaning that when he grew into this body the way they thought he could… he’s be a monster.
In the 2 years that I played with him in 2000 & 2001, we placed 1st and 2nd in state respectably. Out of that team… we had 3 players that were drafted out of high school, and out of that group… I though that he was the least likely to make it to the majors. It turns out he’s the only to to make it to the majors, and the other two flopped out after a coupler of years at A and AA. I also got to see Tim Lincecum pitch in high school… Luckily he wasn’t playing when I played… YOWZA!
May 26th, 20096:59 pm
I feel ya. That’s how we felt last season, except with our starting rotation. You had expect Delgado to land on the DL at some point in 2009 because he’s 38, but the rest of them are bummers.
COREY – this is hardly the forum for smart analysis, but it sounds good to me
18 Wheels of Love
Doggs, is that like George Costanza’s house in the Hampton’s?
May 26th, 20097:00 pm
No. The Phillies were just feeling very generous.
Money, bats left handed, doesn’t play great defense, never really had a spectacular season before the first two months of 2009, etc. Overall it just wasn’t an investment worth it at the time. If we knew he was going to belt 17 HR (which NOBODY thought he would), we’d have probably given him a longer look.
Wes @ 4:54 – Good luck with that.
May 26th, 20097:01 pm
Green Giant – we bought a spec house that has nice things (chick things like a nice kitchen but no gas hook up etc) but has been dysfunctional, so this bloke has been working his ass off, but think 15 day DL and you would be right
Doc- I can’t complain. The Mets core was relatively unscathed last year. You have to deal with this stuff. I’ll be happy if they stay close for the next couple of weeks. That’s all you can ask.
May 26th, 20097:02 pm
Just please don’t give away any more prospects, especially to rent a player for the next 3-4 months! You’ve got 2 outfielders you can trade, 1 that needs time at AAA. Don’t screw up the future for a longshot now. Been there, done that and we are currently paying for it.
You got that right!
May 26th, 20097:03 pm
DOB, great blog today. You’ve obviously been working on you GM role play
I’m all in support of Holliday to the Braves. Easily the best option, I believe he is truely the guy who could carry this team to the playoffs. It’s obviously going to only be a one year rental though, unless Holliday decides Atlanta is the best place on earth and gives us a huge discount (he’s going to make BIG bucks the offseason). I don’t expect that to happen. And as FOX sports speculated in their recent article (in which they said the Braves need Holliday), we could end up having to give up Gorkys Hernandez + to get him from Billy Beane. I don’t know if a short rental of Holliday would be worth it, unless of course the Braves ended up winning the WS after getting Holliday. So is this team ready to win if Wren pulls off a trade?
May 26th, 20097:04 pm
These would be on my list because of other teams having other options, their position, and the cost to us: Choo, Zobrist, Hunter Pence, Randy Winn(if SF takes on the 9.6 mil salary, he could hit leadoff), Jake Fox (could cost a lot, but the Cubs don’t have a spot for him anyway). I know some of these aren’t “proven” or aren’t true power bats, but they’re upgrades. I’d be surprised if the Braves can get more than these names.
I also wouldn’t mind seeing KJ back out in the outfield like you pointed out and others have mentioned, with Infante or Prado taking over at 2nd. That was gonna be the case anyway with the furcal mishap right – or was that propaganda by the front office until another trade was worked out?
Andruw Jones, as amazing as that sounds, could also be an option, but i’m still skeptical how he’d be without Jamarillo and his “selective” starts and at-bats…
All im saying is that there are goin to be 5 good hitting outfielders next offseason. My thinking is that you try to get one in the offseason instead of trading away good pieces in farm system.
I think DETROIT will win the WS in 2009 !!!
May 26th, 20097:06 pm
LOOK KAWAKAMI, MOYLAN, NORTON, FRANCOEUR, AND SCHAFER HAVE TO GO. AND SOON!!!!!!
pickles for breakfast
if mccann wants to be considered for the all star team, he better get his butt in gear
and tag out a few runners now and then
The Braves definitely need to either send Franceour down or trade him.And they also need to bring up Gorky Hernandez and platoon him with Schaffer or just send Schaffer back down.Also if you look at the spring stats Jayson Heyward played good enough to have earned a spot on the major league roster.Bringing him up might not be a bad idea.Someone named Albert Pujols and Ken Griffey jr have made the jump.Heyward has that type of talent.
Bowman has a new blog up. Apparently Francoeur is blaming some of his woes on hitting 7th. He thinks he does not get pitches to hit b/c of Schafer and the pitcher hitting behind him. I wish someone (like maybe his coaches?) would clue him in that HE is the real problem, not his position in the line-up.
May 26th, 20097:08 pm
For a guy who does not have a smashing bat, isn’t OBP most important indicator for a hitter? here is what Frenchy has in the last 3 years:
So, he has not progressed, but get worse.
get hunter pence man he’s got a cool name
May 26th, 20097:09 pm
Hey, I hear a couple of bats and balls are available for Francouer. What are the chances for making that deal?
Oh yea, I forgot about Bobby’s loyalty….
pickles for breakfast–
Yeah yeah yeah…we’ve been all over that.
Jeffy isn’t going to be sent down to AAA. He doesn’t take responsibility for himself, and he’d do a lot of public whining if that were to happen. He’d make it so that it would be less trouble to release him. Maybe some team will be dumb enough to trade for him, thinking that those 100 RBI seasons will come back. But it’s just as likely that he’ll get released. Good riddance.
Frenchy's pouty little mouth
May 26th, 20097:10 pm
It’s evrybody else’s fault.
Nobody likes me.
I better than evrybody else. Why won’t they like me.
RE: Matt Holliday:
I live in Denver (transplanted Braves fan) and watch a lot of Rockies, too. Holliday has power, BUT he ain’t worth it! Check out his home/road splits over his career. He’s a Coors Field guy. Not gonna hit a lot of homers at the Ted. Now, put him in Philly or Cincy . . . . Yes, he gets on base, but his defense is VERY suspect. He botched a routine fly in that one game playoff against the Padres during “Rocktober” that would have cost the Rockies the game, if not for the extra-inning heroics (and the replays showed Holliday never touched home plate on the winning run!)
Bottom line–it’s slim pickens on OFs right now. We’re screwed, unless some team waves the white flag and will accept our 2d tier prospects.
May 26th, 20097:11 pm
Doesnt matter who yall get. You guys are goin no where this year. And Im goin to be a man and say niether are us. But no one is going to stop me from getting back-to-back CY Youngs
May 26th, 20097:13 pm
“LOOK KAWAKAMI, MOYLAN, NORTON, FRANCOEUR, AND SCHAFER”
Hey Bolds guy,
Did you see KK’s last start. Yea, he has to go now.
hunter pence and khalil greene that’s a cool name too
man if we could only get coco crisp that would be outstanding
We need to clone McCann
With all of our complaints we do need to remember we are only a game and half out. As Anders said, Mets have more problems than we, Phillies pitching bad. A few good moves by our front office or a resurgence of a couple hitters and we will be there.
I read where Chipper is looking for all star votes. How can he play in the all star game when he can’t play in regular games? He is out of games more than he plays with what I think are phony injuries. Just how hurt is he? Does anyone really know? It seems these big contract players find excuses not to play. He would not get any votes from me thats for sure.
May 26th, 20097:15 pm
“He’s a Coors Field guy.”
And I’m a Coors Light guy.
And the occasional bottle of George Dickel.
Hey Pickles, Are you paying attention?
McCann is the STUD on this weak hitting ballclub and just about the only one who has his “butt in gear”
The man’s offensive prowess overshadows any shortcomings he may have on the defensive end.
I wouldn’t worry about him…..
May 26th, 20097:16 pm
KK is responsible for 1/4 of the teams loses. hes being paid 8.3 million dollars. and to me he hasn’t been worth it yet.
And if the Phillies solve their pitching woes they will RUN away with the division….
May 26th, 20097:17 pm
Reyes, Church, Schneider, Perez, Delgado and cora on the DL. Beltran down for at least a couple of days.
Dang what happened? Did somebody bomb the Mets clubhouse? At least your golden boy is still golden!
If the All Star game was played via computer simulation, Chipper Jones would still get hurt.
Anders – did the ‘mucils finally find out about Josie Reyes’ nostril prblems ???
BravesGirlNC, that is actually an interesting concept. He really probably isn’t getting great pitching if pitchers are smart about that. But if he was a good batter he wouldn’t be swinging and missing at junk pitches that he can’t hit.
Should we worry about his mental state any time soon. I mean, he’s really been on the radar recently. I really didn’t expect him to be someone who would place blame elsewhere.
May 26th, 20097:20 pm
And Rick if we could add a couple hitters we can run away with the division so we shall see.
yeah – mccann’s been playing better than most braves (when he can see). but that doesn’t mean he deserves to be on the all star team.
This came up recently in the comments of a entry on MLBtraderumors. Who is the Braves most untouchable player? Personally i think it should be JJ, with Heyward next and then Hanson. All untouchable, just a thing about who you think is more valueable.
May 26th, 20097:21 pm
Braves should deal for Ankiel and send Schafer to AAA. end of story. the kid needs to develop some more and he isnt doing it in Atlanta
May 26th, 20097:22 pm
with the mets losing 2/3 of there starting lineup. This should be the braves chance to make a run at the division. Wren! Go get a bat soon
Jordan Shafer for the nostar team. Greg Norton too.
May 26th, 20097:23 pm
Anders, since you are here…what’s the deal with Reyes. He’s killing my fantasy team this year!
“RE: Matt Holliday:
I live in Denver (transplanted Braves fan) and watch a lot of Rockies, too. Holliday has power, BUT he ain’t worth it! Check out his home/road splits over his career. He’s a Coors Field guy. Not gonna hit a lot of homers at the Ted. Now, put him in Philly or Cincy . . . . Yes, he gets on base, but his defense is VERY suspect. He botched a routine fly in that one game playoff against the Padres during “Rocktober” that would have cost the Rockies the game, if not for the extra-inning heroics (and the replays showed Holliday never touched home plate on the winning run!)”
Hopefully Coach and anyone else clamoring for Holliday will actually listen to you and pipe down.
I’ve been saying it, he is not the short or long term answer for this Braves OF.
Thanks of the list. Pretty darn good list.
I say DeJesus from KC (straight up swap), or Delmond Young (straight up swap) could be done…also a trade with Washington for Willingham (I’d do that in a heart beat). Those 3 on your list seemed most realistic and intriguing.
I don’t see a big market team trading for Jeff (alone), now a packaged deal including a minor league arm…or a Jo-Jo Reyes…things change a bit.
The humidore has really cut down on a lot of the offense in that park. BUFFALO
then you aren’t paying attention enough. the humidor has indeed cut down the number of homers but batting averages and other offensive particulars are still high. It is still one of the best hitters parks in baseball. and there are still hitters who’s splits are very unbalanced
Frank Wren has the brain of a ... wren
May 26th, 20097:24 pm
Frank Wren is looking for a bat. He has his eye on a fruit bat.
May 26th, 20097:25 pm
It’s funny to read all of the suggestions. Thanks for the entertainment. Trade Chipper is my favorite. It reveals your ignorance.
Our OF is terrible but its too early to give up on Frenchy or Schaffer. I would get rid of Norton-he’s hitting .115. Bring up Blanco and let him platoon in CF and RF. He’s also good as a defensive replacement for Anderson. It will help Frenchy and Schaffer to have a few days off.
Buddy Carlyle placed on DL
Jorge Campillo activated and available for tonight’s game.
May 26th, 20097:26 pm
I don’t know what is more excitng: watching our outfielders hit or Boog talking about his Facbook page.
May 26th, 20097:27 pm
MP31 – the ‘mucils/mutts/losers ARE not the problem…
the pitcherless dogs in Filly are a huge one
May 26th, 20097:28 pm
Francoeur has negative trade value. Adding him to a deal means having to add more minor league talent. Over three million dollars for the king of outs? It’s almost like adding Barry Zito to a deal to “increase” the value of the proposal.
Ed Glennon, funny stuff dude. Actually, I think the most exciting thing is listening to Bobby Cox talk about how all plumbers in the state of GA have to be licensed.
May 26th, 20097:29 pm
The “Let’s trade (any player who’s not performing well) for a bag of balls” was funny at first, but is getting ridiculously old now. Please stop.
May 26th, 20097:30 pm
I think DOB hits the deal when he suggests a possible Francoeur for DeJesus deal…a swap of underperforming guys.
I could also see Brad Hawpe in a Braves uni.
An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.
That is what is going on here …denial. There is no power bat coming the Braves way right now. If the Braves do make a trade for a power bat it will cost much much more than any of the loony trades proposed on the blog so far. Now where are all the people who were screaming to have Jordan Schafer be the starting CF? You need to acknowledge and own your obsession…and own it forever!Where are the ‘Druw haterz? Seems you were wrong too…how many balls you see bouncing off the wall when ‘Druw was in CF? Time to own up to the fact that you fans have 2/3’s of the outfield you wanted. Frenchie and Schafer were both wanted by the same people in denial now. Own your mistakes people. And realize that there is no trade coming anytime soon. The guys are going to have to get better and the Braves fortunes this season is going to ride in part with them.
Joe the Working Plumber
May 26th, 20097:31 pm
Assing Francoeur to a deal neither hurts nor helps it.
Boo, I disagree completely. It was just 2007 when Francoeur last had an all-star caliber season. And it was just a month ago that he was hitting .300 and was tougher to fan than Albert Pujols.
He had the swing he needed in April. I don’t know what happened to it… but his talent has disappeared. It’s not at all the same situation as where Andruw was last year. At a little more than 3 mill, there are a number of teams who recognize his talent and would be happy to take a chance on Francoeur.
He doesn’t have much trade value, but it certainly isn’t negative.
May 26th, 20097:32 pm
Joe the Working Plumber, are you licensed? If not, Bobby says “you’re out of here!”
Rock On....(the denizen formerly known as Dadgum)
May 26th, 20097:33 pm
Everyone commenting on here how the all-star game is a joke well you are absolutely correct. Nobody gives a damn anymore about the “all star game”. In fact it is a real travesty that the home field advantage in the world series goes to the league that wins this charade of a game.
Managers don’t manage to win the game. Players don’t play as if it was the end all of all games. There is no “good” time to play it. It is over-hyped to beat the band. Frankly, I don’t even know why it is played to be honest. Maybe it is an honor but in the end maybe 1/3 of all starters are out of the game because they are hurt or whatever and are replaced by others.
To wit, nowhere in the progression of a baseball player is an all-star game played in mid-season. Not Little League, not high school, nowhere. Nevertheless, we trot the MLB “all-stars ” out there at mid-season. Makes no sense. Kind of like the WBC. I would say play the all star game after the world series but since nobody cares about the NFL pro bowl I can’t see the all-star game faring any better there either.
CHIPPER IS IN THE LINEUP
May 26th, 20097:34 pm
The way most people on here think, the Braves could trade Frency for Albert Pujois even up.
May 26th, 20097:35 pm
ATLANTA SAN FRANCISCO
1. K. Johnson, 2B A. Rowand, CF
2. C. Kotchman, 1B E. Renteria, SS
3. C. Jones, 3B R. Winn, RF
4. B. McCann, C B. Molina, C
5. G. Anderson, LF F. Lewis, LF
6. J. Francoeur, RF J. Guzman, 1B
7. D. Hernandez, SS J. Uribe, 3B
8. J. Schafer, CF E. Burriss, 2B
9. K. Medlen, P T. Lincecum, P
Jmart…your 6:45 is right on the money! Don’t even get me started on Glavine. Wren is looking like an idiot with this signing. Damn, you got me going. No wait, I will stop and let it play out……….
Carpe Diem…Francouer, Vazquez, and a minor league arm or two to Oakland.
Holliday, Carbera to the Braves Deal maker
you should have done the common sense part too. If Oakland is out of it enough to dump Holliday’s salary why in the world would they take on Vazquez’s and Frenchy’s?
…common sense…Vazquez is making about 3 million less than Holliday this year, and Oakland would have an option to keep him next year. If not, they won’t have any problem trading him this year or next. Choice is can he help them or not, they decide. Jeff is making a few hundred thousand less than Cabrera, but is signed for the next few years. Again, if he develops into value, they gain. If he doesn’t they can trade him. Doubt they’d lose any dough in the long run and should show a gain.
Braves need is basically for this year only…so we take on a couple of rentals that may well help carry us to the playoffs. We’ve got some minor leaguers that may be ready for next year.
May 26th, 20097:38 pm
Rock-On – Couldn’t agree more about the All Star game. I prefer my guys don’t make it and instead get a few days rest. Making it for home field in the WS is another criminal act by Bud Selig. The leader of the greedy band of owners who offer everything up for sale that’s not nailed down and then talk about the history and integrity of the sport when it suits them.
I say we send New Cars to pay the All Star game a visit!
Oh yeah, for full disclosure I have to admit I went to the All star game at Yankke stadium last year, but it was to entertain a client from Alabama who wanted to go.
May 26th, 20097:39 pm
CD…dude, that is one UGLY lineup. UGLY. That is the Aunt Esther of lineups. Break out the beads and pray for an earthquake. Ok sorry Cabraves maybe not an earthquake.
May 26th, 20097:40 pm
You are an idiot! No need to use all caps because we already know you are an idiot. If you are not an idiot, then why would you want to give away a pitcher who has given the team 6 quality starts out of 8 total. KK has had 1 bad game. You can’t blame him for lack of run support. Incredible. Idiot!
I like the idea that the player stats by position are listed and can be clicked when casting the All-Star ballot.
The catcher voting is a joke! It becomes even more apparent when one clicks the stats links and sees McCann’s numbers next to the rest of the catchers out there who are leading him in the voting!
You can curse the Braves. You can root for the Braves. You can criticize the team. Or you can praise them even when the suck. The bottom line is that at this point in the season, you need to get your butt out there and vote for Mac! Why? Not just because he’s a Brave, but because he is the best catcher in the NL. Did I vote for Chipper? Nope. Zimmerman. Did I vote for any other Braves? Nope. So it isn’t a homer thing. It’s a fact that my home team catcher is the best candidate.
May 26th, 20097:41 pm
Fernando Martinez struck out in his first MLB at bat. Told you guys he’s as good as Schaefer.
New Cars, our denizen hit man, there’s your answer.
May 26th, 20097:42 pm
So Fernando Martinez KKKKs in his 1st MLB at bat
On the karma scale versus Schafer hitting a HR in his 1st MLB at bat, the Mets should expect big things
I keep hearing rumors of this Francoeur for a bag of balls trade. Why hasn’t Wren pulled the trigger on this yet??
May 26th, 20097:43 pm
You typed this:
He had the swing he needed in April. I don’t know what happened to it… but his talent has disappeared.
Loudspeaker: “Paging Dr. Freud…”
I thought we had a deal on this forum that there is no such thing as “an idiot”
It is “AND IDIOT” YES ????
May 26th, 20097:44 pm
Dogsbrekky watching Met games. Hmmmm….
All Star games, and all of these awards are nothing more than marketing gimmicks meant to make thirteen year old boys believe what they are watching is the greatest, greatest, greatest. At one time, I knew every Cy Young, MVP, Rookie of the Year, Heisman winner there ever was, but then I grew up, and realized who gives two sh!ts about these marketing gimmicks
I tried to help you out. I only voted for Beltran from the Mets.
May 26th, 20097:46 pm
Look at KK ERA compared to the rest of the starting staff.
YOUR AND IDIOT!
Holy Cornelia, you gotta be vorping kidding me: no Escobar again??
Anders – When I can I watch all NY games, Braves, Tampa and Detroit
Dogsbreky – You want to handle the update or shall I?
May 26th, 20097:47 pm
I don’t know what has to be done, but definetely both Francoeur and Schafer, both have to be seated NOW!, PLEASE BOBBY JUST DO IT before it is too late, and bring somebody else, it can’t be worst, this team, actually not even the Yanks can have three automatic outs in a row.
This year the Braves has a chance because they have very good pitching, but if they don’t fix this huge offensive problem, the oportunity will be wasted once again, and we the fans are becoming tired of that inability to take right decisions on time!!!, Franchy had plenty of time to fix his troubles, now is time to think about the team not individuals, the boy (Schafer) also has to be seated or sended back to the minors, but right now !!!!!!, PLEASE.
For the moment send Kelly back to the outfield (Why not?), and when Escobar returns, move Hernandez to second base, he will be better than Kelly by far, it is so evident I don’t know why nobody in the front office suggest that to Bobby?
Brad Hawpe. Do it.
$5,500,000 contract this year. They’re out of contention. Hitting over .330 w/ some pop (1.000+ OPS). Rockies need pitching.
I’d do that in a heartbeat, assuming the rox are interested.
May 26th, 20097:48 pm
helps to have mlb.tv and saves me watching the missus’ crap like US Idol, Dancing with the 3rd raters, Housewives and Greys Fugglies
May 26th, 20097:49 pm
I like it, but I’d have to know how good his defense is before I’d really like it. I like his bat, but I don’t follow Oakland’s organization enough to know how capable Cust is in the field? Anyone? He hasn’t really played many defensive innings. The most at any position in the last 3 years was about 500 in 2008 when he was -8 runs on the +/- system. Which doesn’t help his case. Is he better than this? Small sample size? Or is he really horrific in the field? Anyone?
Dirty Yuni – That’s more than the money the Braves wouldn’t give Abreu.
BTW- What pitching would you offer?
May 26th, 20097:50 pm
Brad Hawpe will probably be available in the weeks to come unless the Rockies have a major resurrgence on the same token everyone is raving about Heyward who I watched play for the Pelicans against Wilmington in Myrtle beach last weekend only to be greatly surprised by Cody Johnson one of Heywards outfield mates who leads all minor league baseball with 16 home runs.He strikes out a lot but unlike Schaefer in Atlanta this guy has Adam Dunn type power.Remember his name Cody Johnson.Also could we pry Aubrey Huff away fron The Orioles.It feels like Frank Wren is trying to do his Monty Hall impression of Lets Make A deal.We have a bunch of good arms from low a ball in Rome thru Double AA Pearl that we could package along with Gwinnette outfielder Blanco and maybe come up with someone who we could actually re sign….mike
It seems the blog ate my post about the all-star game. I’ll recap…
I hate the all-star game voting as is. Bud Selig has his head too far up his badonkadonk to realize how completely stupid all this nonsense is. I’ll be honest, I have about 50 ballots on my desk right now that I brought home with me from the game. I hate doing that, but at least I vote for people who deserve to be there, even in the American League. I hate it, hate it, hate it!!!
May 26th, 20097:51 pm
IDK he did get 3 yrs 30 million and for a 36 yr old FA that’s a lot. Especially when you didn’t expect him to hit this well, if it was expected then no biggie. But to for sure say it’s a good signing we’ll have to see his next 2 yrs as well.
May 26th, 20097:52 pm
For the moment send Kelly back to the outfield (Why not?), and when Escobar returns, move Hernandez to second base, he will be better than Kelly by far,…
I’m confused. Bill James Online has Kotchman, Johnson and Prado (at third, not at second) in the top ten defensively at their positions. Escobar was there too until he missed these past few games.
But the point is: Kelly Johnson is in the top ten at second base defensively and is only one of two everyday Atlanta Braves currently on the list; with Kotchman. So what is with this myth of his awful defense?
Where did y’all get the lineup at?
May 26th, 20097:53 pm
Look at the hitting stats for the other catchers, and tell me which ones derserve to go to the ASG instead of McCann and why.
PS: Are you DirtyDawg in disguise?
You’re so right–the catcher voting is a big-time joke…at least right now. That could change, of course.
May 26th, 20097:54 pm
You have a good point about not wanting your players to go to the all-star game so they can actually rest. I know a lot of Braves fans want Jurrjens to go, but I really don’t. He’s still so young, and if he were to get hurt I would be extremely mad. Just look at what happened to Brad Lidge last year. Sure, he may not have gotten hurt but he threw way too many pitches. I don’t mind the position players playing, though. Because they’ll only play a couple of innings.
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