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varoadrunner
May 25th, 2009
6:53 pm
thanks tater – was just wondering if I missed something. Altho, Gorkys might be better than shafer – but who knows – just a frustrating game.
Jerry
May 25th, 2009
6:53 pm
Braves Paisan . There’s no reasoning with this crowd. The only thing worse than jeffs play the last 2 seasons is the majority of post on this blog.
bravos2249
May 25th, 2009
6:53 pm
Joe and Boog…sorry but if Chipper and Yunel play it doesn’t take Jeff and Schafer out of the lineup…soooo.
bravos2249
May 25th, 2009
6:54 pm
Louisville brave
lol no problem…I had to ask obviously cause it’s hard to tell through a computer.
BravesFanChris24
May 25th, 2009
6:54 pm
As one of my favorite shows would say….
This Battle Is Over! (Iron Chef ~_~ )
Macon Braves (RIP)
May 25th, 2009
6:54 pm
Good grief, what a difference a day makes here on the ol’ blog.
MFin04
May 25th, 2009
6:54 pm
How does this team not at least get one run there!?!
boutTHATmouf
May 25th, 2009
6:54 pm
this is giving me a sour taste in my mouf
bravos2249
May 25th, 2009
6:55 pm
Is it safe to say Frenchy should’ve been a pitcher.
Mitchell
May 25th, 2009
6:55 pm
This is a sweep all the way. but then, there I go underestimating KK after his electrifying performance on Friday.
But Medlen? Why? Are we trying to lose? What about Morton? Somebody get that boy a plane ticket.
Unknown
May 25th, 2009
6:55 pm
Too bad ownership can invest hundreds of millions in satellite radio but not give enough funds to fix this team.
Braves Paisan
May 25th, 2009
6:55 pm
Bravos, in retrospect, giving Ross the start may well have been the smart move. But look at that line-up WITHOUT McCann in it — to call it “Punch and Judy” might be an insult to the latter, lol!
Loaf Garret on a blackberry from AT&T clubhouse hot tub
May 25th, 2009
6:56 pm
wut up wit all da hostility? I’m chillin, you should to….
MFin04
May 25th, 2009
6:56 pm
And Kotchman sucks! There I said it. I’m sick of people defending him. He isn’t a a major league caliber first baseman. We need power and RBIs from our first baseman and he just isn’t cutting it. He has one good stretch, but now he is sucking again! If we are going to keep running a weak powerless outfield out there, we at least need a power hitting first baseman.
Tomahawkin
May 25th, 2009
6:56 pm
Yunel Will Be put on the D.L. If he doesn’t start on Thursday, “Bank On It!”
Maybe this game was a blip…But seriously we need to start playing the jubroni teams like we play the phillies if we are gonna have any shot at this thing….
B-Macc has gone 3-3 and yet we have scored 2 Fcking Runs!, Only the Braves
The Dude
May 25th, 2009
6:57 pm
Jordan Schafer treats baseballs like under paid union workers.
Jerald Holcombe
May 25th, 2009
6:57 pm
varoadrunner: Seems to be pretty clear ha cannot develop under Pendleton and cannot control his urges
Can anyone develop under Pendleton? He’s part of the reason why we have no hitters. The 3 best hitters we have are Chipper, Escobar, and McCann. Chipper’s dad helps him through his slumps. McCann’s dad is the same way. Escobar has a attitude problem and doesn’t listen, but in the case of Pendleton how can we blame him. For Christ’s sake, Andruw had to get on track with the Texas hitting coach. Pendleton screwed him up so freakin bad that it carried through his last year here and then worse in LA. Pendleton is sucks so bad. And hell, lets not forget that piece of dirt pitching coach McDowell. What a maroon!
varoadrunner
May 25th, 2009
6:57 pm
I bet we could trade Jeff to Texas, they have a hitting coach. Maybe we could pay all of Jeff’s salary and get a minor leaguer in return
David O'Brien
May 25th, 2009
6:57 pm
So Francoeur has left seven on base today and struck out with bases loaded and with two runners on — both times with none out
Dora
May 25th, 2009
6:57 pm
Diory the Explora up for the third out.
Francoeur no strikeouts.
Francoeur no strikeouts.
Francoeur no strikeouts.
Joebrave
May 25th, 2009
6:58 pm
Man, this is just a hateful display of baseball!!! These Braves decided to Ruin the Memorial Day experience in S.F. , what lousy guests, and who is the cross-eyed snot jerk calling Balls and Strikes??
Trey06
May 25th, 2009
6:58 pm
I vote that we NEVER wear those red hats again!
Braves Paisan
May 25th, 2009
6:58 pm
Oh … Logan …
Tomahawkin
May 25th, 2009
6:58 pm
Gawd K-Fer Sucks On Defense!
SOS
May 25th, 2009
6:59 pm
MF in 04. You’re right. Let’s also add Schafer, King of the Strikeout. Oh and nice botched Willie Mays catch Schafer. Willie Mays you aint.
whut da hail
May 25th, 2009
6:59 pm
By placing professional baseball, has Francoeur lost his NCAA eligibility (to play football)? I think not but it may become a relevant question.
AHugeBravesFan
May 25th, 2009
6:59 pm
San Diego is about to win their 10th straight
bravos2249
May 25th, 2009
6:59 pm
How long will the effects of the injury last?
A simple toe sprain can be treated with rest, ice, elevation, and anti-inflammatory drugs. Pain and swelling can disappear and full range of motion return within 24 to 48 hours.
More serious toe sprains or a toe fracture may last 7 to 10 days. An acute form of toe sprain – turf toe – is accompanied by pain, swelling, and loss of range of motion that can last weeks or even months.
It’s been 4 days…that’s got to be more than just a sprain…or Chipper is really old.
varoadrunner
May 25th, 2009
6:59 pm
KUDOS Jerald
Choppinmama
May 25th, 2009
6:59 pm
McFann: Oh no, not toe troubles for BMac now too! Oh, the humanity!
MFin04
May 25th, 2009
6:59 pm
Schafer needs to realize his isn’t Willy Mayes Hayes. Catch the ball like a normal human being
Unknown
May 25th, 2009
7:00 pm
now schafer cant even catch a ball. worthless.
Tomahawkin
May 25th, 2009
7:00 pm
Pathetic!!! Absolutely Pathetic, Considering how they played the last 3 games of the homestand
Unknown
May 25th, 2009
7:01 pm
Buddy didnt give up a homer that inning!?!?
bravos2249
May 25th, 2009
7:01 pm
Braves Paisan
Got to say I didn’t expect McCann to play, and just cause Chipper and Yunel can’t play doesn’t mean McCann doesn’t need a day off. And regardless Mac has 3 hits…and no rbi. Either way the lineup is punchless.
wiki
May 25th, 2009
7:01 pm
I don’t think Texas is in the market for an outfielder.
SOS
May 25th, 2009
7:01 pm
How about Francouer for a bag of balls. Naw, no one would do that. How about an old mop.
KC
May 25th, 2009
7:02 pm
Gorkys Hernandez is hitting .331 with 9 SB as AA Miss. And he is said to be as good a CF’er as there is in the minors. Time to call him up.
“But he may not be ready”.
I agree… he might not be. But after 2 months, we KNOW Schafer isn’t ready to hit big league pitching. Time to send Schafer to Gwinnett and see what Hernandez can do while Wren works the phone for two outfielders.
18 Wheels of Love , you’re right. Andruw was called up during his 3rd pro season, at age 19. Heyward is in his 3rd pro season right now at age 20. And most Braves scouts compare Heyward’s offensive talents to that of a young AJ. The similarities are many. I think there’s an good chance he’ll be a September call-up this year… and I’m certain we’ll see him next September at the very latest.
bravos2249
May 25th, 2009
7:02 pm
Braves Paisan
got ahead of myself, tried to backspace but already hit submit….Mac does have an rbi, but it doesn’t make any difference now.
Tomahawkin
May 25th, 2009
7:02 pm
SOS, Yeah, I’m Getting Tired Of that “Willie Mays Hayes” Shyt K-Fer is doing out there, he needs to play deeper, because he has no where near the range of A. Jones at his age…
Unknown
May 25th, 2009
7:02 pm
Guys, Frenchy isn’t gonna be traded. Nobody wants him. He will or should be released.
18 Wheels of Love
May 25th, 2009
7:03 pm
I thought sending Francoeur to AA was the right move, however, they wussed out and brought him back up after 3 games. In retrospect, he probably should still be there. I suspect much of his woes are betwixt his ears.
BravesFanChris24
May 25th, 2009
7:03 pm
Should have played Ross ~_~
AHugeBravesFan
May 25th, 2009
7:03 pm
Looking at the box score, our current lineup has only 2 players hitting over .260. None are over .300.
Vinings Jim
May 25th, 2009
7:03 pm
Shoulda Got Dunn – wow, why exactly are you not the general manager of a Major League team, or at least a beat writer who does not have to pay attention to a game, just has to answer questions from the incredibly intelligent masses who populate the blog? Since this game is the end of the world for all Braves’ fans, DOB clearly has a major attitude problem.
TnBrian
May 25th, 2009
7:03 pm
MFin04(negativity), people are defending Kotchman because he isn’t the problem with the offense.
RHR
May 25th, 2009
7:03 pm
LOL wiki @ 6:36 and pay-per-view @ 6:38.
Eh I don’t think much about this one. They’re tired…and the lineup. Yeah. The real Braves will hopefully show up tomorrow night. Looking forward to seeing how the kid comes back out. Hopefully at least Yunel will be back and maybe Chipper’s toe will be back to normal by…the next homestand?
bravos2249
May 25th, 2009
7:04 pm
KC
Gorkys may not be ready but Frenchy doesn’t look ready either.
David O'Brien
May 25th, 2009
7:04 pm
And Kotchman sucks! There I said it. — MFin04
You say that like you’re the first (or 21st) to say it here. Whether we agree or not, you’re hardly the first (or 21st) to say it.
There, I said it.
Unknown
May 25th, 2009
7:05 pm
This kid is bad on epic levels.
varoadrunner
May 25th, 2009
7:05 pm
Shafer’s new strategy – just don’t swing
McFann :Ô:
May 25th, 2009
7:05 pm
Choppinmama–
Yeah…hope Bobby took him out “just ’cause”, ya know…hope the foul off the foot had nothing to do with it.
wiki
May 25th, 2009
7:05 pm
golden sombrero!
Joebrave
May 25th, 2009
7:05 pm
PLease for the love of oll that is Holy please get this kid out of here!!!!
Louisville brave
May 25th, 2009
7:05 pm
El Golden Sombrero
SOS
May 25th, 2009
7:06 pm
Way to go K-Fer. Not swinging at the pitch will not get you on you worthless POS.
Tomahawkin
May 25th, 2009
7:06 pm
Brian Wilson…looks like he’s on HGH…Man He’s Huge
Hit a Meaningless Homer Chipper
18 Wheels of Love
May 25th, 2009
7:06 pm
Hope Chipper doesn’t take one off the toe here.
TnBrian
May 25th, 2009
7:06 pm
Unknown, yes he will. Texas would be insane not to take a Frenchy,Morton,Hernandex tyoe deal for Cruz, I hope. Maybe I’m hoping too much, but man he’s got that power that’s lacking so bad right now.
varoadrunner
May 25th, 2009
7:06 pm
hope chipper doesn’t reinjure the toe
RHR
May 25th, 2009
7:06 pm
That’s right boog, if French Fry gets 4 years to figure it out then surely Schafer can have his rookie season? I mean…we’re 2 months in. Leave him alone people.
Golden Sombrero for Jordan as I type that. lol
If Larry hits it here I want it to go out, lord knows we don’t need him to further injure his toe.
SF Tatoo Artist
May 25th, 2009
7:06 pm
I got free tickets from some guy named frenchy late last night. He came in with some guy named chafer. They got a tattoo that said “THE 0-3 CLUB”. chafer got another one that said “Mario Mendoza” He said that was his favorite player.
RHR
May 25th, 2009
7:07 pm
Or a walk would be okay too. Hell even a strikeout, it’s not like they’re going to score 7 runs with 2 outs.
CB
May 25th, 2009
7:07 pm
Will all the eight year olds please go to bed? Well that should take care of most of you.
Joebrave
May 25th, 2009
7:07 pm
Now on a more subtle note, what the Braves have in CF is clearly an overrated prospect that is not now nor never will be ready to face ML pitching.. This Punk is clearly not ready!!!!
KC
May 25th, 2009
7:07 pm
I really think today’s performance has sealed the deal on Francoeur. Not that he’ll be gone tomorrow… but I would guess that the front office is every bit as convinced as the fans are that a change has to be made in right field.
It’s weird because he looked really good in the spring and through April. And after a 2-3 week slump, his swing looked really good again for about 5 games heading into Sunday’s game. But yesterday, he came up with runners in scoring position and no one out, swung at the first pitch, and tried to pull an outside breaking ball for a weak out. And today, he’s looked like a right-handed version of Jordan Schafer at the plate.
We’ve GOT to replace both Francoeur AND Schafer ASAP.
MFin04
May 25th, 2009
7:07 pm
LOL DOB, I’ve definitely been the first and 21st to say it on here. And I get a lot of crap for it usually, but Kotchman just isn’t hacking it. Yeh Schafer and Frenchy are sucking, but so is Casey. He has been put in the position to hit behind Chipper and McCann and drive in runs and he isn’t doing it.
And if the Braves aren’t going to change things with Schafer and Frenchy and Kotchman…what is to keep a team from walking the bases loaded to get to Frenchy and Schafer and Kotchman in a critical situation?
mr desperation
May 25th, 2009
7:07 pm
How about Dave Roberts for CF? Talk him out of retirement? He’s not even 37 yet…..hit .260 with 31 SBs in ‘07.
Jerald Holcombe
May 25th, 2009
7:08 pm
MFin04, Can someone tell me why David Ortiz is struggling so badly this year?
He probably asked Pendleton to help improve his swing.
David O'Brien
May 25th, 2009
7:08 pm
Braves2249, you wrote yourself from the definition you found: “More serious toe sprains or a toe fracture may last 7 to 10 days.”
Then you follow that by drawing this conclusion: “It’s been 4 days…that’s got to be more than just a sprain…or Chipper is really old.”
What part of “more serious toe sprains or a toe fracture may last 7 to 10 days” did you not understand? Or did you just dismiss the “more serious toe sprains” part of it?
bravos2249
May 25th, 2009
7:08 pm
2 Golden Sombreros in 1 year….gotta be a record.
braveshater
May 25th, 2009
7:08 pm
If he can’t play then why in the hell is he hitting. Bobby Cox just baffles me more and more with every strike. This organization is going down the tube. There is absolutely no fucin way Jordan Schaffer is a Major League Baseball player. Freakin unbelievable.
mr baseball
May 25th, 2009
7:08 pm
Once again, we get a good look at why the Braves are extremely unlikely to contend for the playoffs with a suspect roster and an overmatched decision maker in the dugout.
Did anyone else (other than Chance the Manager) think there was even the remotest possibility that Schafer was going to get a hit with the bases loaded and 2 outs. Chipper should have been at the plate, not in the on deck circle.
If he gets a hit, the Braves are tied/ahead and Anderson hits for Vazquez, who was about at the end of his rope. Chipper doesn’t get a hit, Anderson goes into the game as the 9 hitter to lead off the next inning, getting Vazquez out of the game after he struggled in the fifth.
After Schafer predictably makes the 3rd out, Cox again leaves his starter in too long, then has to get Bennett out after hitter to pinch hit for him, resulting in another Carlyle catastrophe.
Exactly how long is Chance the Manager going to leave Schafer in the lineup day after day with no replacement/backup on the roster? And it’s getting to the point that the same can be said about Francouer, who is only awful about 9 out of 10 at bats, compared to Schafer’s 10 of 10.
Just because the Braves swept an overrated Blue Jays team that played WAY over its head the first six weeks of the season, some folks (including the person who conducts this blog) thought this team was on the way up and about to challenge for the division lead.
The only way this team gets close to contending is if the division goes the way it did the year the Mets went something like 82-79 and finished first because no one else was over .500. The lack of offense and shaky middle relief is going to keep this team from getting over .500, and the Phillies and Mets will figure some way to get to 85-88 wins at least despite their respective flaws.
The Braves missed a chance when they went 3-3 at home against the lowly B’backs & Rockies. They’ll be lucky to get back from the West Coast without being back around .500 again.
As for the CF position, this team has no good option. Blanco is assuredly not the answer, and the person who could have filled in is now playing regularly in Detroit.
Wren needs to find someone who can play the position on a stop-gap basis and if Norton has to be sacrificed to make room, it needs to be done. It’s not like he’s done such a great job this season.
Tomahawkin
May 25th, 2009
7:08 pm
Man This Was a Complete 180 compared to the last three games, Its back to reality…In Realizing How Bad this AWFense Blows!!!
bravos2249
May 25th, 2009
7:08 pm
DOB
I meant it’s more than just an avg. toe sprain….so it must be serious.
RHR
May 25th, 2009
7:09 pm
DOB -
Is your hotel in the union square area? If you think I’m jealous of you right now, you’d be thinking right.
Jake W.
May 25th, 2009
7:09 pm
“Good grief, what a difference a day makes here on the ol’ blog.”
Well that’s what you get here. Most of the time no persepctive at all, just gut reaction. Gotta thank god sometimes that these people are not GM’s, coaches, managers, or anything of importance. If they think we suck now, I would hate to see what we would like after some of the suggestions I hear on here.
MFin04
May 25th, 2009
7:09 pm
If Chipper is hurt why is he even pinch hitting in a game that is 8-2?
bravos2249
May 25th, 2009
7:09 pm
DOB
and it does say fracture….that’s not good if Chipper has that.
KC
May 25th, 2009
7:09 pm
bravos2249, I agree. Francoeur is an enigma. Braves have got to replace both Frenchy and Schafer.
varoadrunner
May 25th, 2009
7:09 pm
The pain is over
mr desperation
May 25th, 2009
7:10 pm
Luis Gonzalez in RF & Dave Roberts in CF! Yeah!
AHugeBravesFan
May 25th, 2009
7:10 pm
You might as well but an x next to the Dodgers name (x-Dodgers) in the newspapers. No one in that division is going to beat them. 15-6 Dodgers at Colorado. They’re about to win their 21st game in 29 in divisional games.
The unbalanced schedule sucks. Is anyone else tired of seeing the same damn teams play each other 20 times a year?
BT
May 25th, 2009
7:10 pm
The comparison of Andruw Jones being ready at 19 and Heyward is a little misleading. Many in baseball question the veracity of Andruw’s stated age.
It is sad to see what they are doing to the kid’s psyche. He obviously needs some time in Gwinnett. Mickey Mantle got sent down his first year and it didn’t seem to hurt his career.
David O'Brien
May 25th, 2009
7:10 pm
Golden Sombrero for Schafer.
TBF(n)K as Billy
May 25th, 2009
7:11 pm
I think as always most on this blog appear too young and immature for me to follow it reguarly anymore….
While I dont get upset like many here do when the Braves have one 3/4 games I do see the need for another bat its a huge weakness. The bullpen is fine.
There I said it.
MFin04
May 25th, 2009
7:11 pm
It’s just plain stupid to keep running Chipper out there to reinjure his toe. Put a boot on it and let it heal. He shouldn’t be running against Toronto or pinch hitting today if it is still hurting. No reason for him to risk hurting it more.
RHR
May 25th, 2009
7:11 pm
Oh hell I thought the “the braves are who we thought the were….” crowd wouldn’t come out for a few more hours. Looks like mr baseball has been writing that since the 7th inning.
bravos2249
May 25th, 2009
7:11 pm
KC
a team can get by with one Frenchy but not 2….I mean Blanco was hitting like this last year and everyone hated him…and Schafer chases the ball to the wall like he did too. I’m not campaigning for Blanco, but Schafer hasn’t separated himself from Blanco’s abilities.
Chop Chop
May 25th, 2009
7:11 pm
Jeff Francoeur did not struggle when he made his major league debut. As crappy as his OBP has been the last few years, he wasn’t an awful baseball player until 2008. Schafer has struggled since the first series of the season. He hasn’t made any mark as a major leaguer. He certainly shouldn’t have the leash that Francoeur had last season.
Tomahawkin
May 25th, 2009
7:12 pm
KC
Francoeur Will Be there in the Same Slot Tomorrow
If The management didn’t do anything last year, why do you think they will do anything before August this year…?
But I agree He needs to go…I tried to hang with him, but Him and K-Fer are Killing us…
bravos2249
May 25th, 2009
7:12 pm
MFin04
Yes, because the solution for a hurt toe is to stay off it.
Braves Paisan
May 25th, 2009
7:13 pm
In the words of US Grant, after the first day of Shiloh was a major Union setback, and WT Sherman commented that they had just gotten the holy tar beat out of them: “Yeah. Lick ‘em tomorrow, though.”
TnBrian
May 25th, 2009
7:13 pm
mr.baseball, thanks for the pep talk. MAN, we needed that. Funny, where you been the last few days when the Braves were winning?
MFin04
May 25th, 2009
7:13 pm
The bullpen is not fine. The long/middle relief isn’t good at all and Gonzo has been very shaky in 1-run save situations (50% is not a good ratio). Soriano has been good/great and Moylan is obviously still recovering.
Tomahawkin
May 25th, 2009
7:14 pm
Man That was painful, I’d Rather get our A..ses handed to us by the Philles or Mets rather than to watch that…
Macon Braves (RIP)
May 25th, 2009
7:14 pm
This Schafer deal is hard to watch. It’s pretty sad watching the guy hacking at air all the time. You gotta feel for the kid.
StingerSplash
May 25th, 2009
7:14 pm
Methinks Mr. Carlyle is not long for a major league paycheck.
Seriously, how long can the Braves keep trotting out the gas can?
Also, another very poor day for the apparently overmatched (at the plate) young Mr. Schafer. He’s racking up strikeouts faster than Nolan Ryan — except Ryan was a pitcher.
And another bad day at the office for Frenchy, with 7 LOB. Maybe reading Bradley’s column got to him today.
Can’t beat anybody going 1-for-9 with RISP. Yuck.
Wow!
May 25th, 2009
7:14 pm
I really wanted to make a few comments about the struggles of Shafer and Frenchy, but there’s more crucifying on the blog today than the Roman’s performed! lol
Anything I have to say about Shafer and Frenchy would pale by comparison!
CB
May 25th, 2009
7:14 pm
Yeah your on that list too Joebrave.