3:17 pm May 25, 2009, by David O'Brien
May 25th, 20099:58 pm
And I’m thinking that Frank most definitely needs your services
(while freely admitting I could have used them when I was in high school!)
“SURGING BRAVES DISAPPOINT BRAVES FANS”
Typical Braves stuff, they rip a winning team one day and get ripped by a losing team the next.
KJ leading off again…………..1 for 5…………..go figure.
May 25th, 20099:59 pm
Get a real hitting coach and guys like Franceour, Johnson, Schafer, Thornton, Andruw Jones and probably Brandon Jones would not be on the cusp of getting traded because they can’t hit anymore. I get tired of watching our talent wasted because Pendleton can’t coach. Ever since his arrival the young guys have struggled. Thornton was supposed to be the next big bat and he just fell right off the radar. I have yet to hear what exactly this guy does for a living except eat sunflower seeds. These young guys listen more to Chipper than Pendleton. If they have no respect for his talents then get rid of him. Freeman, Heyward, Hernandez and all the rest of the young kids need to stay where they are until TP is gone. He will just mess them up too!
MFin04 (7:57 pm): ” Kotchman isn’t that good and is in a horrible slump as of late,”
A horrible, two-game slump?!?!?
‘Cause he only got one RBI today? ‘Cause he hasn’t had one single, solitary hit since the day before yesterday??? (Sat — a double, two walks, 2 RBIs; Fri — a single, a walk, 1 RBI.)
Horrible!!! The Braves are doomed!!!
Frank from KS
May 25th, 200910:00 pm
Yeah, they teach Math in Kansas….I just miscalculated. So..your only 4 years younger then me.
I’m watching the Cubs right now and I swear it must be the Braves. The Cubs #3 hitter – Milton Bradley is hitting sub-.200. Reed Johnson is the cleanup man with 1 HR. Hey we offten have had a cleanup man with 0 HR. The Giants are last in runs scored. Is the offense everywhere terrible this year?
Is it not obvious that hitters would be slumping so badly at Wrigley, the epicenter of chewing gum manufacturing? And the incessant jawing, smacking and bubble-blowing problems don’t stop there. Like aftershocks all across the country, gum has replaced steroids. This amounts to a double distraction whammy for baseball players. Will this spread to Japan and Mexico? Only time will tell. It may be too late to stop this once it becomes pandemic. And those little wrapped sugary things seemed so innocent.
Let’s just hope this chewing gum scourge doesn’t spread to the private sector. Distractions could be disastrous. Pilots missing runways while blowing bubbles. Surgeons getting carried away with chewing, a little slip of the knife and… whoops. Teenagers driving while chewing gum is too horrible to even imagine. Texting while driving is already a problem. Add gum to that and, oh, not pretty.
May 25th, 200910:02 pm
I know…I’m ranting…sorry
Frank from KS-
No worries, dude…after you wrote that I calculated it at least 4 times in my head to make sure I was right
May 25th, 200910:07 pm
I really don’t like Martin. Everytime someone in the media mentions him, I’m pretty sure I make a face. And I’m glad he’s not having a good year.
May 25th, 200910:08 pm
Wow, even Mark Bradley is writing Frenchy off now also. Best off luck, Jeff. As bad as you have been at times, I would still be dissapointed to see you go.
May 25th, 200910:09 pm
(Oh, and I forgot to add…)
There, I said it!
(I have to get in on today’s phrase of the day!)
Small wonder that so many Braves radio (sports radio) listeners here are so piteously logic-challenged – check out the following radio commercial transcripts:
“Bobby, if a plumber ever shows up at your house without a license, and can’t show you his license, you’d be better off letting him walk your dog.”
Hmmmmm — doesn’t have a license AND can’t show it to you? Yeah, I guess you’d have to figure that there’s something wrong somewhere.
(Talk about Ossa on Pelion!)
* * * * * * *
“Now more than ever, America’s defense depends on communication with foreign countries.”
“Now more than ever” – ri-i-i-i-ight. And just who have we been defending ourselves against for the last 150 years or so –- the British Empire???
(”The sun never sets . . .”)
John Kincaid: ”You can’t afford not to buy it.“
But can you afford to?
”You get two entrees and a ‘share-able’ appetizer for only twenty bucks.”
What on Applebee’s menu is NOT share-able? How exactly is that enforced?
* * * * * *
” . . . we can replicate your hair without any of the side effects of gene cloning . . . “
What ARE the side effects of gene cloning? Is this something else I’m supposed to know, but don’t?
(Anal leakage, maybe.)
May 25th, 200910:10 pm
Cleveland just scored 7 in the bottom of the ninth to beat Tampa Bay 11-10. It ain’t ever over til it’s over.
cabravesfan re: your 10:02 p.m.
Umm…..you’ve got to be a blonde after that post.
May 25th, 200910:12 pm
at this point jeff is going to have to hit a homer everyday for the next two weeks to get everyone off his back. everyone has turned on him….. its no one’s fault but his own. i have always loved jeff but its time for him to go. i dont think he will be with this club come september. if and when he is dealt/released i will wish him the best of luck. but right now he and the rest of the outfield is killing this team. we need some change….
May 25th, 200910:13 pm
sadly for the stereotype I am blonde, but that has nothing to do with my poor math skills
I think I’ve got that same case of sarcasm-not-showing-up-in-writing disease you’ve got. I thought it was pretty blatantly obvious, saying things like Devil Rays, and Scott Thorman. Let’s hope this doesn’t end up like the swine flu and turn into a pandemic.
May 25th, 200910:15 pm
DOB – Thanks for the post game updates. Schafer sounds like he’s in a good place mentally and he seems to be working hard.
add gum to that and, oh, not pretty. Savannah Guy
My Art professor always told us that if we “want to be somebody, ya gotta die young!”
Why they're bench players
In his four starts replacing Chipper Jones, Prado is 1-14 with a single and has seen his batting average drop from .312 to .254 in the past five days (including the pinch hitting appearance May 21st.)
I knew Martin Phoney would be regress to the mean.
May 25th, 200910:16 pm
cabravesfan – the “Yes” has been teaching for the last year or two (GRE does imply preparing for Grad School). Not that I would betray the sacred confidence of the student-teacher relationship except in cases of national security (how about those Nuggets)?
Prado is 1-14 with a single
Excuse me: a double. I knew that too.
May 25th, 200910:18 pm
RomanGal – as soon as I master the WordPress codes for [sarcasm] I’ll let you know.
I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see the Braves making the playoffs this year. Reason: They win the ones they probably should lose; and they lose the ones they probably should win. Hence a .500 season. Not good enouigh!!
"MFin04" by Random
May 25th, 200910:19 pm
. . .
“I’m my own man now!”
“Ye-e-a-ah!!! Wait – what?”
“That phone does sound pretty cool . . .”
“Uh – a job?”
“I-I really want that phone . . .”
“Mom? Dad? Please?”
May 25th, 200910:21 pm
Thanks, Vinings Jim.
I still don’t even know how to make a link look pretty. I’m gonna have to work on that, too.
I still don’t like how he played in like 13 innings in the All Star game. I mean it’s common sense to atleast let Mac play( when he was better than both of them), cause in the ASG if a catcher gets hurt and the others have been used, one that has already been used can come into the game. Soto also only played like 4 innings.
In “other” news I’m glad Martin got into a slump after the ASB, serves him right for playing in that game that long.
May 25th, 200910:23 pm
Why they’re bench players
Prado didn’t even play for like a week before Chipper got hurt, so it’s all not his fault. And had Omar not got hurt he’d be starting soooo>>>>?
May 25th, 200910:25 pm
Live on Directv channel 79.
cabravesfan – I will admit to being old enough that I know I’ll wake up between 6:00 and 6:30 tomorrow, so I should drop off now (especially if I’m going to try to hang with you left coasters for the game tomorrow). As summer progresses I hope my sleep pattern will gradually shift later. If Tom shows up later, tell him I said, “Hi.”
May 25th, 200910:26 pm
Sorry, misread that. Live concert from 2004.
May 25th, 200910:28 pm
Just so you know…my comment was made all in fun. :>)
Rays blew a 10 nothing lead…..Price only threw 3 innings…100 pitches….that’s why Hanson hasn’t been called up, he’s got the same problem too many pitches in 5 innings or less.
May 25th, 200910:29 pm
2 on 1 out for Washington in 9th
May 25th, 200910:30 pm
Me neither, bravos 2249. Of course, all we need to do is sick McFann on Clint Hurdle and she’ll do us justice. I’m working on a plan as we speak…
You know things are wacky when Moyer loses to Florida.
May 25th, 200910:31 pm
I know. I think he got booed at TF after the ASB.
“In his four starts replacing Chipper Jones, Prado is 1-14 with a single and has seen his batting average drop from .312 to .254 in the past five days (including the pinch hitting appearance May 21st.)
I knew Martin Phoney would be regress to the mean.”
Yeah, because we all know everyone on the blog was clamoring for Chipper to sit in favor of Prado. May I vote next to bench JJ in favor of Jojo.
Would the Dodgers consider trading Andre Ethier (especially after Manny gets back)? I heard that he’s begun to fall out of favor with the organization. If this is true and they’d consider moving him, it’d be worth a look.
May 25th, 200910:32 pm
I’d take a chance on anyone right know.
May 25th, 200910:33 pm
An article on Jurrjens written by a friend of mine: http://www.statisticianmagician.com/?p=131
May 25th, 200910:34 pm
in all this doom and gloom I repeat things are bright for the future in the hitting department. Heyward is the real deal. Freeman is not far behind. Except for his first at bat which was terrible I was very impressed with Cody Johnson – showed good patience, got on base, and smashed a monster home run to center. Rohrbough looked good and would have been great if he had better control early on.
The guys also could not be nicer and seem to have fun warming up and on the field. They seem to enjoy the game. It was a refreshing change to watch
May 25th, 200910:35 pm
bravos2249, Really? I don’t remember that. Of course, it seems pretty rude to just walk up to someone and tell them that they’re 3rd string.
May 25th, 200910:36 pm
Peter Gammons just hit it on the eye. Jeff Francoeur was rushed to the big leagues and he’s now paying for it. I don’t agree that we should just keep sticking him in there though…Kansas City here he comes!
May 25th, 200910:38 pm
Psssh. I’ve got Jim beat, I was only 7 when my 19 year old daughter was born.
May 25th, 200910:39 pm
Your talking about McCann in the All Star game right? I can’t remember if someone online said they would boo him or if it actually happened. I’m sure some boos where heard. After the game I think even Chipper said he didn’t understand why BMAC didn’t get in there sooner, I mean a game that last that long and he doesn’t play til the 15th?
Yeah, because we all know everyone on the blog was clamoring for Chipper to sit in favor of Prado.
I’ve seen some here asking why “the Braves signed Chipper to an extension” and mentioned how Prado and Infante can handle third “cheaper.”
Cruz to Atl. Foundation
NELSON CRUZ 2009- avg.293, 12HR, 33RBI, 23R, 8SB. 29 year old OF right handed bat.
Jeff Francoeur is paying for his inability to adjust. Not the fact that he was rushed to the big leagues. If that was the real problem it would have corrected itself after nearly 4 seasons in MLB.
May 25th, 200910:40 pm
“Before we went out I was talking to Russell and he said he was going in after [starting catcher Geovany] Soto.”
May 25th, 200910:41 pm
That’s what he meant. He got instant gratification, and now that he’s struggling he can’t adjust.
May 25th, 200910:44 pm
I was saying that I don’t blame the fans for booing him because he was a jerkish nutbag to McCann. But yeah, it really was stupid for him to play so long. Let’s just hope that McCann starts this time so we don’t have to worry about it.
And with regards to the All-Star game, it really annoys me that the managers feel the need to play pretty much all the players. Let the starters stay in for 5 innings or so and then start changing. That way we don’t have the same problems that we had last year.
Oh, and even if McCann doesn’t start, I’m sure he’ll be the first back-up. Charlie Manuel is the NL manager and he’s bore witness to McCann’s wrath many times.
May 25th, 200910:46 pm
I’ve been watching. They’re still tight.
May 25th, 200910:47 pm
I just think Francoeur is like my brother in that he’s as stubborn as a mule! I don’t know how stubborn a mule is, but that’s not the point. JF can’t be responding to TP, Chipper, or Mac at all otherwise we’d see the Jeff of old more consistantly. Alright, the JF talk is getting old.
May 25th, 200910:49 pm
Yeah I was thinking the same with Charlie. But he did pick Joe Torre to be on his staff and Jerry Manuel (I don’t understand that one). But the one Brave I hope for is Jair or at least Lowe, but Jair if he doesn’t falter should defiantly go.
May 25th, 200910:51 pm
Looks like I missed you…you never said the “yes” was your GRE gal…that does make a difference Good luck and good night!
I know- no offense taken Believe me, you are far from the first to make fun of me for my “blonde moments”
Well looks like Carlos Quentin is hurt again and the Sox won’t be trading Dye anything soon. lol Like our FO is smart enough to get a vet whose actually productive.
May 25th, 200910:53 pm
Man I know the team stunk today but waiting until 9 pm (here) for the game just sucks.
May 25th, 200910:55 pm
well, I ran this blog thru my statistical software package “crapstistics”, and it calculated that 93.48% of the post’s today are either;
A) throwing a player under the bus
B) throwing a coach/manager under the bus
C) throwing Liberty/GM/Pres under the bus
D) throwing players & coach/managers under the bus
this 93.48% value is calculated with a +/- 2.7% error. this value is only slighter on days when the team loses, when the team wins this value drops all the way down to 82.69% with a +/- 2.6% error.
this blog continues to operate with a decidedly “negative” bias toward the team and current management..
Coach (2010 or Bust)
Jeff Francoeur projects to hit about 12 HR’s with 80-85 RBI while batting around .230-.235.
He’s done in Atlanta after this year. As for the trade rumors, who is gonna play RF if Frenchy gets traded? That is the million dollar question.
I’m all for the Braves pulling the trigger on Matt Holliday. Want to know why? BECAUSE I WANT TO WIN. I’m tired of losing, it sucks. Anybody else tired of watching this team continually coming up short?
May 25th, 200910:57 pm
Just finished catching up on the blog today. PETE, that was the best story about Delta. We know they come home, but, to actually realize
you are a part of it is life changing. Yes, life changing. (I guess you would have to take it like I did to feel this way)
When Francouer did not want to sign and go to arbitration I think the Braves should have taken him there. If they had pointed out just how really terrible his 2008 year performance had been maybe he would have
showed up with a reason to succeed. Giving in to him, just added to
the Golden Boy $hi+.
Joe Simpson said that Kotchman was given the day off until Chipper took himself out of the game. How do you think that makes Kotchman feel?
McCann had a bad day with the homeplate umpire. They had been swapping words most of the day since the interference that was not called. We all know that the second one was “flagrant”? but that umpire already had an attitude.
May 25th, 200910:58 pm
May 25th, 200911:01 pm
Coach (2010 or Bust)
Now see I’d take that from Schafer, but a 5 yr player…NO.
May 25th, 200911:03 pm
Coach, I think you just hit it right on the head outside of Frenchy being done after this year. He’ll stick around easily if he posts those numbers, what other option is there? Are we going to fill in both corner OF spots?
May 25th, 200911:09 pm
I believe the Braves would not trade him unless they get an OF in return. I mean Wren’s not stupid.
May 25th, 200911:13 pm
Actually Berkman is a switch hitter. Unless you meant the hand he throws the ball (BravesFanChris24)
yes he is and up there very close to Chipper as one of the best in history.
May 25th, 200911:15 pm
Coach, who would you give up for half a year of Holliday?
May 25th, 200911:17 pm
“Peter Gammons just hit it on the eye. Jeff Francoeur was rushed to the big leagues and he’s now paying for it. I don’t agree that we should just keep sticking him in there though…Kansas City here he comes”
Maybe, but we heard nothing of this sort when he was hitting HR, was one of the most clutch hitters in baseball and drove in 100RBI’s in back to back seasons. I don’t buy that argument.
“Jeff Francoeur is paying for his inability to adjust. Not the fact that he was rushed to the big leagues. If that was the real problem it would have corrected itself after nearly 4 seasons in MLB.”
Completely agree with this point!
Here comes Coach ranting and raving about Matt Holliday. Unreal. It’s only going to get worst.
How about this…No Matt Holliday, Jermayne Dye or Xavier Nady/Nick Swisher.
What this Braves team needs is a younger, less expensive player or one signed to an affordable long term extension.
Not sure if the Orioles would be willing to part with Adam Jones (not packman!)…but maybe if they fall out of contention they would be willing to entertain a trade. Something like Jeff or Brandon Jones…plus Morton or Medlin?
Adam Jones is a young, dynamic corner OF who could develop into a solid and consistant offensive producer for any lineup. Why not in ATL?
The way McCann’s been hitting since he came off the DL makes me think of the ‘06 BMac…just needs a few more doubles (mcFann)
lets get glasses for all the hitters even if they don’t have prescription lenses, maybe the placebo effect will make them better.
Steve from OH
May 25th, 200911:20 pm
I doubt the O’s would part with Adam Jones…they’re a club on the finishing leg of a long rebuilding process, so I don’t see him going anywhere.
May 25th, 200911:21 pm
Coach, who would you trade for half a year of Holliday?
May 25th, 200911:22 pm
We might be able to get Adam “Pacman” Jones for Francoeur/B. Jones and Morton/Medlen.
May 25th, 200911:23 pm
Adam Jones? Are you out of your damn frigging mind? The orioles would never part with a cornerstone player. They might as well dissolve their whole freaking franchise if they did that.
Supes, try again because you my friend don’t have a better idea than Matt Holliday.
May 25th, 200911:24 pm
And as Efrim reminded me the other day, they’ve got a bunch of stud pitching prospects at AA, so I don’t know if they’d really want that much pitching (of course, can never have too much pitching, but I digress…). They’re probably on the lookout for SS/Infield help…
May 25th, 200911:25 pm
I’m just glad to see that the “**** you! You’ll get nothing and like it!” trades are still being presented here. Adam Jones is becoming an absolute monster for the O’s. For anyone to even think that a player such as Jones would be traded for our flotsam and jetsam is amusing.
Huy Ear from the Philippines
May 25th, 200911:27 pm
I heard earlier today that the Braves were in serious talks with the Reds about aquiring Ron Gant. Dude can rake and he’s a Texan.
May 25th, 200911:28 pm
Then again, Coach and Tomahawkin keep stoking the fires of their Nelson Cruz man-crush. Why would Cruz be available? He’s tied for the Rangers team lead in HRs and is second in SBs. The Rangers would get rid of David Murphy, Marlon Byrd and Andruw Jones before they’d get rid of Cruz.
May 25th, 200911:29 pm
Coach, I have a better idea than Holliday! His name is Ron Gant. He’s a Texan.
May 25th, 200911:31 pm
We should trade Allen Iverson to the Pistons for Chauncey Billups.
May 25th, 200911:33 pm
I think I’ve got that same case of sarcasm-not-showing-up-in-writing disease you’ve got. I thought it was pretty blatantly obvious, saying things like Devil Rays, and Scott Thorman (Roman Gal)
I guess with all the incredibly stupid things that get said here on an almost daily basis, the readers have become so inured to ignorance that no matter how hard we try we just can’t sound as dumb as some of the real morons. Gotta keep working at it.
I have a better idea, PWH.
The Braves should trade Frenchy and Jo-Jo in a three-way deal for Brad Hawpe and Adrian Gonzalez. The Rockies get Jo-Jo and the Padres get Frenchy. We get Hawpe and Gonzalez. We’ll turn around and trade Kotchman to the A’s for Matt Holliday.
Here is a better idea. Why don’t we just sit on our hands while the Mets make a run at Matt Holliday. TnBrian, I’m not the GM. But if I were, I would take my chances and roll the dice.
Jeff Francoeur, Charlie Morton, Jo-Jo Reyes and one more low minor leaguer not named Heyward, Teheran or C.Johnson.
Chris Sabo could be a smart option if Gant is a no go. Although, I believe Kotchman is a fine 1st baseman and we need outfielder anyways.
May 25th, 200911:34 pm
Got to agree with everyone else, no way the Orioles part with Adam Jones for anything short of Jurrjiens. Also, I saw earlier that someone was complaining that Lance Berkman wouldn’t fit in this lineup because he’s lefthanded. Actually, he’s a switch hitter, but I doubt that the Astros are entertaining trading him, since he’s a local guy who played his college ball at Rice, and is a big part of the community. Plus, the Astros are pretty much built for this year, not a lot of building blocks for the future there.
We’ll also send Schafer down to AA and call up Gorkys because Gorkys has never made an out in the bigs.
May 25th, 200911:36 pm
Chop Chop, you a damned liar.
I haven’t said on single word about that Texas Rangers outfielder since December. Of course, that was before his break out season that he’s enjoying right now. I saw it coming, you didn’t.
May 25th, 200911:38 pm
Coach – Nobody is questioning that Matt Holliday would make the current lineup better. The question is what incentive do the A’s have to trade him for a package that small? The A’s are flush with young pitching, so Morton and Reyes wouldn’t be that attractive of pieces for them, and considering that the Braves might have to cut Francouer due to his salary next year, I don’t see any reason a cash strapped team like Oakland would want him. They are better off offering him arbitration and taking the 2 draft picks they receive instead.
May 25th, 200911:40 pm
I love it.
May 25th, 200911:41 pm
I thought Cruz would be good this year, Coach. You a damn lie, son.
May 25th, 200911:43 pm
Is there a hitter out there that we haven’t mentioned as a possibility?
May 25th, 200911:45 pm
RC, ever heard of Billy Beane?
Matt Holliday will be traded. It’s May. The A’s are already nine games back. Young talented pitching is the top commodity in baseball.
Whoa! Put the kids to bed, it’s fight night on the blog…
TnBrian, of course there are. But that’s what the people who work in baseball for a living have to find out, right?
May 25th, 200911:46 pm
Coach, you also made Jeff Bennett out to be an upcoming ace in the 2007-2008 offseason.
May 25th, 200911:47 pm
What made Andruw Jones at 19 yrs old more ready for the big league club than Jason Heyward? In ‘96 we had a better OF than we do now. — 18 Wheels of Love
18 Wheels (and KC): Andruw Jones signed at 16 and already had nearly three full seasons of minor league ball before he reached the majors at 19, and that was only for 31 games at the end of his third full season of pro ball.
He was an exceptionally rare talent who, after turning 18 in April 1995, proceeded to hit .277 with 41 doubles, 5 triples, 25 homers, 100 RBI and 56 stolen bases that season in 139 games. Look at those numbers again, soak them in.
Then he spent almost the entire next season in the minors, moving up the ladder at three different stops before Braves called him up late in the season.
That year in the minors (1996), after turning 19 in April, Jones hit .339 with 27 doubles, 5 triples, 34 homers, 92 RBI, 30 stolen bases and a 1.072 OPS — in only 116 games! Again, soak those numbers in. Dude was the top prospect in all of baseball for two years before called up.
At 19, he hit .369 with 12 homers and 38 RBI in 38 games in Double-A, with a 1.107 OPS. Repeat, at AGE 19, same age as Heyward now.
At 19, Jones hit .378 with five homers and a 1.214 OPS in 12 games in Triple-A. Again, at age 19.
Dude was TOO GOOD to stay in the minors a day longer. Totally destroyed minor league pitching despite being, I’m fairly certain, the youngest guy in his leagues in those last couple of stops. For sure at the last stop.
As great a prospect as Heyward (who turned 19 last August) obviously is, his numbers pale next to those put up by Andruw at the same age. And I haven’t even mentioned Andruw’s defense.
Before this season, Heyward had a .315 average with 12 homers, 62 RBI and 16 stolen bases in 139 professional games, including seven above the low-A level (and none above high-A).
Oh, man. You’re the best, Coach.
May 25th, 200911:48 pm
ok, just turned on the basketball game…did the ref just seriously call a technical on the Nuggets for that?? Lord the NBA refs suck!
knew Martin Phoney would be regress to the mean. (Why they’re bench)
he’s not regressing to the his mean, because none of his career stats are anywhere near that bad.
his career BA numbers in both minors and limited majors is .300 so what he is doing right is “un-regressing away” from the his current mean, not regressing to it.. In other words at this point it should be characterized as a slump.
He might be regressing to what you consider his talent level to be, but that’s not the same thing.Maybe you know stats but that statement makes it sound like you don’t.
May 25th, 200911:50 pm
Steve, yes sir. The Braves way seems to be getting the not so big named players anyways.
It’s people like you that remind me of why I love this blog.
I’m all for the Braves pulling the trigger on Matt Holliday.
Coach wants Matt Holliday! This is brand new information! Stay tuned!
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