3:17 pm May 25, 2009, by David O'Brien
May 25th, 20098:33 pm
They need to bring someone up for CF to put a little pressure on Schafer – just like in Spring Training. Maybe he needs to start looking over his shoulder before he starts getting it together…same could be said for Frenchy,
May 25th, 20098:34 pm
“I can tell you Lance Berkman isn’t going to be a Brave any time soon. Kotchman is also a better defensive 1st baseman than is Berkman.” kirkinga
I agree with you on both fronts. However. Berkman has also started 447 games in LF, 265 games in RF and 135 games in CF. And he’s a switch hitter.
If there is a way to get Lance Berkman without giving up Heyward or Hanson. DO IT NOW!!!! While he has a pathetic .225 BA, he does have 9 HR, and 25 RBI with an OPS of .813. Not great. But better than what we’ve got in ALL THREE outfield positions. In his last 20 games, he’s hit .274 with 4 HR and 15 RBI, .866 OPS.
He’d be an upgrade no matter which OF he’d replace.
That all being said. I’m not buyin’ it for second.
Frank from KS
Welcome back to the blog world N8.
What I’d like to know is….how in the world can a team only being down 3-2 in….what…the 6th and end up losing 8-2?
Funny, Vinings Jim
May 25th, 20098:35 pm
You are on a roll with the sarcasm today Best be careful, though, or someone might actually believe you and start asking our fearless leader about those big names!
BravesFan InRockies (ex-BFIR)
May 25th, 20098:36 pm
Mike Hancho (8:33),
Not a bad idea (potential competition in the OF). Don’t know how you do it with this roster unless you get rid of Norton or D. Hernandez or Diaz or GA. The team now has too many one-dimensional players. Unfortunately, power is not that dimension.
May 25th, 20098:37 pm
Bobby’s Cox, totally agree with you. If Glavine or Hudson help in any way, I think Medlen ends up in the bullpen for this year. Along with Acosta, that should help rid us of the dead weight out there (Buddy, Bennett – who really hasn’t been that bad other than the freak game).
But somehow, some way, Hanson will be in this rotation before the season is over. It’s either going to come because of an injury or ineffectiveness of one starter. Or because we’re out of it by the deadline and we deal Vazquez or Hudson or somebody, thus opening up a spot for him to get his lumps in down the stretch of meaningless games in August and September.
But I would say the “odds” of him NOT pitching in Atlanta this year, are minimal.
“And Gonzo isn’t consistently closing out games, he is 50% in 1-run save situations (8 of his last 16). Perfect in two-run or more saves, give me a break, not that clutch.”
I have to agree with KC. If we had no other option after Gonzo there would be a problem, but seeing as we do have other options he definately is not the problem. He’s blown three saves this year and you are right they were all one run games but he hasn’t blown up out there. I mean we have only lost one game he’s blown. Two of those blown saves could have been avoided( Matt Diaz’s ball lost in the lights and the missed call on the Beltran steal). Shoot even the last one where Soriano saved it was questionable with what many felt was a strikeout of Rolen are whoever it was. This team has some problems and he definately isn’t one right now. Worst case scenerio he doesn’t get it done then we have Soriano. No big deal.
May 25th, 20098:38 pm
I do like Berkman, but he hasn’t really been an outfielder in a few years…125 games total since 2005. If we are going to get an outfield bat, I would prefer it to be someone that plays only the outfield (or at least as his primary position) Berkman’s bat is good (although he’s off to a slow start thus season) but he is not the outfielder we want
N8 I agree probably not going to happen, but I would love that bat, may cost too much. Hey we need some help.
Oh that’s right……Berkman is a switch-hitter. I just keep seeing him in my mind as a lefthanded hitter.
May 25th, 20098:39 pm
The way McCann’s been hitting since he came off the DL makes me think of the ‘06 BMac…just needs a few more doubles.
Frank from KS-
the Braves & Jays were tied 2-2 in the 7th yesterday…
May 25th, 20098:40 pm
No Prob Frank
I’m watching the Cubs right now and I swear it must be the Braves. The Cubs #3 hitter – Milton Bradley is hitting sub-.200. Reed Johnson is the cleanup man with 1 HR. Hey we offten have had a cleanup man with 0 HR. The Giants are last in runs scored. Is the offense everywhere terrible this year?
May 25th, 20098:41 pm
For wrestling fans here ~_~
Tonight on RAW is going to be skit heavy on the Denver Nugget situation.
May 25th, 20098:44 pm
Hey I like Kotchman but I’d trade him for Berkman….Casey has a higher avg, but Berkman can hit them out and he can run.T
May 25th, 20098:45 pm
Frank from KS
Wow. Did you not know Berkman was a switch hitter. Dang and I thought I had problems.
Kotchman is not the problem, Berkman would play the outfield.
Yeah, but they won yesterday.
But in all seriousness…..it’s like was mentioned before….it’s not that they lose…but HOW they lose that makes it damn frustrating.
May 25th, 20098:47 pm
Schafer reminds me of myself when I am playing MLB 09 The Show with all of the strike outs. Something is needs to happen.
If it were to happen, both Kotchman & Berkman in the same lineup would be much better without Kotchman in it.
May 25th, 20098:48 pm
I meant to say that the lineup would be much better with both in the lineup than without Kotchman in it with him.
May 25th, 20098:49 pm
No, I had just forgotten that he was a switch hitter….which if the Braves had two switch hitters in the lineup (Chipper being the other one, of course when he’s playing)….might make it interesting against teams especially late in games…as it would relate to matchups, righty-lefty, etc.
May 25th, 20098:51 pm
OK we are in agreement, FW make it happen!
cabravesfan – I had a post ready to go that I erased because it was a bit too vitriolic (as it happened, it was ready to go just as the Giants got to 8 runs, so realized it would be Lost in the Flood (ooh, unintentional Springsteen reference)). I think I also posted something serious within the past hour (complimenting another poster on an admission of non-perfection), but the really good wine I’m having with my really good steak (which I savored for over an hour) has dimmed my memory of semi-unpleasantness. It is, however, a pleasure to communicate with you.
hey, at least they don’t make you sweat out the 9th inning
May 25th, 20098:53 pm
That was so not a HR for Mets.
May 25th, 20098:54 pm
We don’t have the money to trade for Berkman. We just don’t.
May 25th, 20098:55 pm
A game like tonight…Jeff deserves to have last year’s nickname brought back…so How about that performance from FRANCINE? Great job…playing his way out of ATL with every at bat. When will this nightmare be over!
Um, no, you don’t want Berkman to play LF.
He is the face of the Astros, even more than Roy O. He’s about and about in the community, played locally at Rice. I’ve heard nothing on the talk shows or read anything in the paper about wanting to move him. This is pure fantasy someone made up and them someone heard that fantasy and repeated it, and so on.
I could believe Carlos Lee, but he’s no better than Diaz or Anderson in the field and his salary is big.The Astros want to unload Tejada, now that they will gladly do. Any deal with the Astros is going to have to include pitching because that is what they feel they need.
I think the Braves would be in a better position to make trades in the offseason than now. They’ll have Hudson back and they could trade either him or Vazquez and not have to give up Hanson.
The Braves can make a change sure, but to make an impact, a good one, a difference-making impact, they’re going to have to put together something close to what they gave up for Tex only this time they don’t have a surplus of prospects to give up.
Nor do they have the payroll which no one seems to mention much. Unless the attendance picks up, this payroll is more likely to go down than up. If that is the case, then cheap young players like the ones people want to get rid of still have some value to the Braves.
I love the sacrastic posts…you and I think alike (you should worry about that!) I jumped on the alcohol a little late today (somehow, drinking at 1:00, even on a holiday, seemed a bit early) so I’m just getting started (reading some of these posts has pushed me over the edge )…but it’s always a pleasure talking with you! Your reference to steak make me really wish I had saved my really good steak for tonight (last nights instead…and it was good!)
May 25th, 20098:56 pm
cabravesfan, I realize he hasn’t. But he couldn’t really be any worse than Garret in the OF, could he?
But in the end, it’s all just aimless arguing. Little to zero chance he’s a Brave anytime soon.
As someone who has been a lonely defender of our once promising RF against the hordes of OBP/OPS obsessed statheads, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to continue supporting the no longer Golden Child.
Francouer looks lost at the plate and whatever power he once had has withered away. His swing has become a mechanical mess and he rarely makes solid contact any more, hitting a series of soft fly balls to right.
His first 2 1/2 seasons in the bigs, Francouer was among the very best players in the game in hitting w/RISP. There are a bunch of alleged baseball experts who will tell you that there’s no such thing as a clutch hitter, but Francouer was proof of their faulty logic. At least until last year.
Something has happened to him since the end of the ‘07 season. Maybe it was the added weight, maybe getting beaned, maybe falling into bad habits at the plate. Who knows.
Whatever the reason, he hasn’t been the same since the start of last season. I opined during the off-season that the offensive key for this team was going to be Francouer. If he reverted to pre-’08 form, the Braves would be OK offensively (if healthy). If not, this team was going to struggle to score runs with sub-standard MLB bats at 1B, LF & CF.
Whereever he bats in the lineup, it seems like he is always getting chances to produce key hits. His ability to come through in those instances was a key to what minimal success the team enjoyed his first 2 1/2 seasons, and his abject failure last year was a big part of the Braves’ dismal record.
Fortunately for him, the Braves really don’t have a viable option to replace him. Diaz is a decent platoon player, but that’s about it. Brandon Jones is nothing special. And with Schafer totally useless at the plate, Francouer isn’t even the main concern in the OF.
The Braves can’t afford to just give up on him, but it’s hard to see what they’re gaining by sending him out to RF every day and needing him to perform at the levels of 2005-07.
This team has a bunch of key personnel decisions to make in the immediate future if it’s going to have any chance to make a run at the playoffs this season. The back of the bullpen has to be addressed. Also the 5th starter (here’s a vote for Hanson over Glavine).
Most importantly, however, is RF & CF. Not sure how much Morton/Reyes/Medlen will bring in a deal, and no one is likely to swap the big bat the Braves really need for anything less than Hanson.
The Braves are going to have to win with what they’ve got here and in Gwinnett, which means guys like KJ, Kotchman & Francouer are going to have to step up, especially with Chipper’s always uncertain status.
Johnson will probably hold up his end. Kotchman will do just enough to stay in the lineup and be an occasional contributor. Francouer? I’m not so sure any more.
May 25th, 20098:58 pm
“Um, no, you don’t want Berkman to play LF.” kirkinga
You’re right. I would much prefer him in RF.
May 25th, 20098:59 pm
I’m afraid our offense will not cut up when we match up soon against the Red Sox and Yankees.
May 25th, 20099:00 pm
Excellent post Mr. Baseball.
So of course the Umps get the call wrong. That was so clearly not a HR.
May 25th, 20099:01 pm
Ryan Dempster just walked in a run. As DOB said, how many times have we seen that this year?
not arguing, just presenting the other side of the idea because like I said, I do like Berkman And as scary as the thought might be, yes, i think he could be a worse outfielder at this point then Garret…OK, feel free to fire away at that one!
May 25th, 20099:02 pm
1. B. Jones hitting LHP @ .354 clip at Gwinnett; only .207 against RHP. His Major League OPS is also better than JF the last two years.
2. Norton is dogbreath – RH or LH.
3. So, why not release Norton and bring up B. Jones. Let B. Jones play RF against RHP. Let JF, who has an arm, play some in CF, to give “Ice Cold” a break.
4. If not, 1, 2 and 3, trade for Randy Winn and try to include JF and Norton in deal.
5. How much in minor league talent will Dan Uggla cost the Braves? Legitimate power hitter. Include KJ and JF in deal as well as Morton and some other talent outside of top 5 minor leage players in Braves’ organization.
6. Release Carlyle, or include him in trade; bring up Tony Armas, Jr. or Morton to pitch long relief.
Dave – is Uggla available at a price? Salary only slightly higher than KJ’s, I believe.
May 25th, 20099:03 pm
Berkman? Yeah right! Ya’ll know that Vazquez and probably a boat load of others would have to be moved to Houston for that to happen? Vazquez because of his $11.5M he’s making this year and so on… Look for, and his name has been brought up a million times here, but a guy like Cruz from Texas. Cheap, powerful, has a little speed, don’t know how good defensively he is, but has to be an upgrade from Frenchy. JF in Atl. is obviously a miss match right now, so he’s gone soon. If he does get traded or whatever, gotta wish him the best.
Cubs are losing.
May 25th, 20099:04 pm
Another game changing home team call for the Mets.
You know who really cares if the guys in the clubhouse love Frenchy, if they want to when they aren’t going to win with him playing RF.
I know that came out of nowhere but that’s how I see it.
god at the typo….lol
May 25th, 20099:05 pm
I’d say it’s easier getting a guy who’ll hit FA in about a year or 2 than a young powerful hitter.
May 25th, 20099:06 pm
I saw on ESPN’s site that the Giants are after Uggla. It would be nice to trade for him and maybe Hermeida. Send Francine to the Marlins and bring in Hermeida. Local boy for local boy.
Psst….It’s ALL a Skit!
How lame…now all of the sudden you have to pay to watch the replays on Gameday! That’s stupid…didn’t hafta do that last year!
I was gonna check out this alleged home run that you guys have been talking about. Forget that theory…
Wow, I know its the Nats but they just got screwed on that homerun call against the Mets.
I’m just saying ~_~
May 25th, 20099:08 pm
McFann, no contest this year between your boy and Geo Soto is there? Soto was hitting .202 with 1 HR.
May 25th, 20099:09 pm
END THE FRANCOEUR FAVORITISM!!!
If Francoeur was born in New York instead of Georgia; he’d already be long gone!
How is Brian Giles hitting? He’ll be a FA next year and could be trade bait.
May 25th, 20099:10 pm
braves70 no contest this year between your boy and Geo Soto is there?
Ha, no, there sure isn’t. Don’t know what’s up with Grove…he just sorta fell off or something.
May 25th, 20099:11 pm
oh…never mind about Giles…
May 25th, 20099:14 pm
Carlyle allowed two grand slams and a three-run homer in his past five appearances, a stretch that’s seen him battered for 15 hits, 12 earned runs and seven walks in seven innings, not including the inherited runners he’s let in.
His ERA is up to 8.84, and he’s given up 31 hits and 11 walks in 19-1/3 innings this season.
May 25th, 20099:15 pm
You’re right. I would much prefer him in RF.
No, N8, you don’t. You just haven’t seen him play the OF enough to know better…lol! Trust me on this one, dude is horrible. If he can’t play LF at Minute Made, there’s no way he can play RF in the more spacious Ted.
He’s a great guy, would love to get him, but the Astros aren’t trading him. Now that Bagwell and Biggio are gone, he’s their main draw.
If we’re going to get anyone off of the Astros it’s going to be Lee and it’s going to cost some pitching.
And what’s with these trades that have Francoeur as some type of valuable piece? Everyone knows he’s struggling and his value isn’t high enough to be the centerpiece of any trade right now.There isn’t going to be any fooling of other teams into trading for the guys that aren’t performing for us.
May 25th, 20099:17 pm
Um…earlier today I said something to the effect of, “The umps have been horrid, but I’m not gonna go all Mark Bradley on them…at least not yet.”
I would, at this time, like to offer my sincerest apology to Mark Bradley! I meant Milton Bradley in that post! So sorry, Mark!
John Grove with a base knock to drive in Milton as I type this…
Say bye bye to Buddy too. I mean, what happend to him all the sudden? He was never great or anything but dude was pretty solid from last year and up to a point this season. Weird!
I was just looking on Jeff’s page on baseball-reference’s website. At the bottom of each player’s main page, they always compare them to other major leaguer’s who had similar stats at the same age/time of service. One name stood out and it’s a fair comparison.
In 1975 Borroughs had 29 HR and 94 RBI, while batting .226. Through age 24 (1975), Jeff had 90 HR and 326 RBI, while batting .261 in 542 games. Borroughs did walk a helluva lot more than Francoeur.
AFTER, 1975, Borroughs went on to play in 1147 more games, (over 10 the next 10 seasons), and hit .260 with 150 HR, and 556 RBI (about 15HR, 55 RBI per season average). 41 of the HR and 114 of the RBI came in 1977. The rest of the years were pretty weak.
In 592 games, Francoeur is a .268 hitter, with 76 HR and 345 RBI.
I’m not sure if anybody ever called Jeff Borroughs the “Natural”. But at this point, I doubt we’re going to see a 41 HR, 114 RBI season from Francoeur anytime soon.
In the end, Borroughs played 1689 games, had 240 HR to go with 882 RBI. Francoeur will be LUCKY to get to those numbers over 16 seasons. My suspicion is that if his numbers don’t rise a tad, he’ll not even get close to playing 16 seasons, much less the 240 HR. Jeff would have to average 16 HR over the next 11 seasons to get to 240.
Not going to happen.
May 25th, 20099:18 pm
cabravesfan – sorry for the slow response – I was on the phone with a new GRE tutoree who I’ll meet this week for the first time (she sounds cute – we shall see – at least with GRE students I don’t have to worry about putting the “air quotes” around tutoring as you have done to me in the past with my Geometry student). Without you and Tom (and a few others) it would be difficult to survive amidst the frequent gloom and doom here. I am not worried about the similarity in our thinking – I think that speaks highly of you (he said in his older-yet-wiser manner). I see the Lakers and Nuggets have started, and, although I won’t watch much, I’ll be rooting against the Lakers on your behalf.
Endy Chavez and Mike Cameron are the only guys I would think might be expendable
I don’t know how you would get Cameron but I think he still lives in ATL…and he can play all over the OF I would think..
May 25th, 20099:19 pm
I would expect Campillo to replace Carlyle soon
May 25th, 20099:20 pm
So did they just take BMac because the game was kind of outta hand?
kirkinga, yeah I’m aware that his OF defense isn’t that great. But my comment about RF, had more to do with Francoeur, than Berkman’s defensive ability. Try and keep up. LOL!
concerned braves fan
Someone remind me again please why Boyer got the boot, but Buddy stays? Are we waiting for Campillo to heal? That’s the only reason I can think of why Buddy still has a job. I’d be open to trading for Taveraz again, and the other guy, was it Lopez? Seems like the Braves made the wrong call and should have kept them.
May 25th, 20099:21 pm
Not going to happen.
If this post shows up twice, it’s because it didn’t the first time, so I resent it.
Enter your comments here
May 25th, 20099:23 pm
Lopez? Are you talking about Ohman? I don’t remember anyone else that left besides them 2
No, N8, you don’t. You just haven’t seen him play the OF enough to know better
Don’t care. No way his defense can be anywhere bad enough to not make him a net benefit due to his offense compared to Jeff Francoeur.
May 25th, 20099:24 pm
Oh Nunez..yeah he’s in Triple A.
Lord I love you You make me laugh! Just out of curiosity, something I have always wondered actually, how does a girl actually “sound” cute? I really am curious…
You can’t be that much older then me, can you? and forgive me the air quotes…it’s my nature to mock
Yes, Please, Please PLEASE send all the good karma to the Nuggets and ‘Melo! (that goes for everyone on the blog) The lakers MUST DIE!!!
May 25th, 20099:26 pm
Any word on Nunez..I mean a 2.42 era in 12 games ain’t too bad.
May 25th, 20099:28 pm
I know N8, but that’s how bad he is that even that joke makes me cringe….lol!
I believe we’re stuck with Francoeur for at least the rest of the season. He’ll have more value in the offseason than he does now.
Sometimes there’s no easy quick solution. I know that the blog don’t want to hear that, but it is true. JF and KJ are going to remain Braves at least for the rest of this season. And with Schafer struggling, I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see Francoeur back next season.
Of course if he breaks out of it, which he has shown some signs of doing, then this talk will die down and his trade value will rise. So best to send him positive energy no matter whether you want to keep him or trade him. I hope he does well.
May 25th, 20099:30 pm
Speaking of relief
Mariano Gomez has a 1.80 era for Gwinnett in 16 games
Luis Valdez ( their closer I think) has a 1.69 era in 21.1 innings
and Juan Perez has a 1.17 era in 12 games pitched
I’d say with the way Bennett and Buddy have looked you could give at least one of these guys a chance.
Seriously, Gwinnett has some outstanding relief pitchers: Vlad Nunez, Mariano Gomez, Juan Perez, Luis Valdez, Boone Logan. Give ‘em a chance Booby.
May 25th, 20099:31 pm
McCann has hit .431 with 11 RBI and a .491 OBP in 15 games since returning from the DL, including four three-hit games….
Schafer is down to .103 (4-for-39) with runners in scoring position.
May 25th, 20099:34 pm
Yes, could also bring up one of those others from Gwinnett. But if they replace Carlyle, they’d want someone to go a few innings, especially with Parr gone now.
May 25th, 20099:35 pm
Fully aware that you probably have no idea and at the risk of receiving a sarcastic response, what are your thoughts on Medlen staying with the club in the ‘pen if he has a good outing tomorrow and Glavine returns to the rotation soon? Any chance or does the club prefer to keep Medlen as a starter and send him back to Gwinnett to get the regular work? Just out of curiosity, I’d actually prefer him to go back and get regular work but…
I just compared the stats for some of the more well-known catchers, and even after his slow start, McCann deserves to be at the all-star game. Mauer and Martinez are having great years in the AL, but it’s not really close in the NL.
May 25th, 20099:37 pm
I see what you mean, we already have a ton of starters.
Wow…the Bucs didn’t have far to go for their next series…did they?
Just a hop, skip and a jump across town to Wrigley after playing a weekend series against the W. Sox.
Funny thing is, even after today’s lousy game, braves’ position in division standings could still
May 25th, 20099:38 pm
McFann: Yes, it was an 8-2 game when they took him out. He plays almost every day. No need to run him back out there that last inning.
May 25th, 20099:39 pm
Funny thing is, even after today’s lousy game, braves’ position in division standings could still remain same.
May 25th, 20099:40 pm
cabravesfan – in terms of sounding cute, I’m not sure – it’s instinctive, having heard many voices over the years (somewhat like deciding which centerfielder looks better after two months of spring training). I’ll let you know how my instinct works out on Thursday (I’ve nailed my last couple of guesses). In terms of how much older than you I am, not much in terms of my mental state, a little more in terms of the norms set by such standards as what year one was born (I did take my daughter to Smoltz’s MLB debut at Shea way back when).
Two Braves beat writers, and the site has only a brief AP game report?
May 25th, 20099:42 pm
“nailed…” sooo not the best choice of words there!! Took your daughter to his debut, huh? OK, so you’re a little older then me…I was 9 in 1988
May 25th, 20099:45 pm
So…let me guess….you’ll be or already are 20 this year?
May 25th, 20099:47 pm
do they not teach math in Kansas? add 10 years and you are there!
May 25th, 20099:50 pm
Pad’s Gonzalez hit #17 and the Padres won again.
WOW….they might end up giving the Dodgers a run for their money before it’s all said and done with.
May 25th, 20099:51 pm
Oh yeah…not really close at all. Hard to tell who the backup should be. There are a few guys who deserve to be backups.
Course, if you ask DirtyDawg, the ASG catchers should be, IDK…Molina and Iannetta? DirtyDawg = The Anti-McCann
Thanks, Chief! Had a feeling</i< that was it, but just wanted to be sure it didn’t have anything to do with that foul ball he took off his foot.
cabravesfan – damn, now I have to be more careful of my choice of words with you For the record, my instinct was one yes, one no, and so far I’ve spent 1/2 an hour in a public place with the “yes” and her sister (we are starting in three weeks). Also, I was only 15 when my daughter was born three days before Smoltz’s debut (which was also my grandmother’s last game). (I’m just a math teacher – my numbers might be slightly off).
Gosh, darn it! I messed up my post!
Sorry ’bout that. Looks ridiculous.
May 25th, 20099:53 pm
cabravesfan – maybe Frank needs my services.
May 25th, 20099:54 pm
Dang…I messed up my post…looks horrid. Sorry ’bout that.
(Also sorry if this comes up twice.)
May 25th, 20099:57 pm
15, huh? See now I have no idea if you are serious, although I’m leaning towards “not” (not that there’s anything wrong with that )…and at least tell me the “yes” is legal?
May 25th, 20099:58 pm
In “other” news: McCann has three career doubles against Lincecum. He’s 5-9 against him overall.
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