7:05 pm May 23, 2009, by David O'Brien
May 25th, 200912:42 pm
If you guys are going to nitpick somebody’s numbers take a good hard look at the goofball playing RF…2+ years of sub-par performance, and he takes the team to Arb!!! yet some gwinnett homers here still give that jerk a free pass!!! Francan’t needs to go away far away!!!
May 25th, 200912:43 pm
What do you think the odds are the Braves will attempt to and be successful in signing Jair long term, considering his agent is Boras?
May 25th, 200912:44 pm
Wow, We have #7 overall? did know we were THAT bad last year overall..
Coach (2010 or Bust)
May 25th, 200912:45 pm
David O’Brien wrote: Bobby Cox has made it pretty clear, however, that he’s not expecting much offensively from Schafer, and is pleased as long as he keeps playing great D. So unless someone on the farm — someone’s who’s close to being major-league ready, that is — starts lighting it up, I don’t see any reason to believe they’d replace Schafer.
You mean like Gorkys Hernandez: .339 BA, .393 OBP, 18 RBI, 31 runs scored, 9 stolen bases. leads off, plays CF.
Eric from MO
May 25th, 200912:47 pm
JX some of that you have to take with the situation. How many times have we seen a guy on 2nd or 3rd and he got walked? Most teams pitch around him which takes away rbi chances, which by the way means almost nothing because it has more to do with other people.
As for 60 at bats not being much is just plain wrong. For a .300 hitter that is 20 hits. That would put him at 168 hits, above his career average. I think it would be fair to say 3 of those would be doubles. So his doubles arent down a whole lot. He just is missing a ton of games. So I dont think anyone agrees with you. His power is down but he is in his mid to late 30s. It happens, look at David Ortiz, it could be much worse.
May 25th, 200912:48 pm
Today is a holiday. No big words please.
Thanks to all our troops and veterans.
May 25th, 200912:49 pm
Just back from placing flags on our local memorial cemetery – I love how that huge cemetery looks with all the flags waving at passerby and reminding them what this day is about. Surprisingly, we had a lot of teenage volunteers helping place over 800 flags on veterans graves.
GTI, I never watched The Wire but I’m still sad about The Sopranos coming to an end so I know how you feel.
Braves? I wish people would leave Schafer alone! Blanco? Really? You must not watch many games….
Hack @ 12:14 …. good job on the user name.
Apparently today’s game time is confusing for the elderly. My grandmother called me this morning and, among many other things, she let me know the Braves would be playing at 2:30. Then later she called me back to inform me that she had it wrong, it would be 12:30. I expect a call any minute telling me she can’t find the game so I’ll just wait until then to tell her it won’t be on until 3:00 (CST).
May 25th, 200912:50 pm
Can someone tell me what the Braves’ won/lost record was last year on Memorial Day? I’m trying to decide whether to allow myself to get excited about the prospects this year, or if I’m just being set-up for another disappointment.
May 25th, 200912:51 pm
Schafer is not going anywhere,case closed. If the Braves are able to do anything it will be with one of the corner outfield slots and don’t expect them to break the talent bank to correct that problem. Under current circumstances this team though has enough talent to make a run at the division title and if not that maybe the wildcard slot. If Hudson returns successfully in late July/August the Braves are loaded from a pitching perspective and just maybe the group of Heyward, Freeman, G.Hernandez, Hicks and C.Johnson will supply the added offense in 2010. The best is yet to come for Braves and while they are getting there, they might just nab the division this year. Relax and enjoy the journey.
May 25th, 200912:52 pm
I picked my name with the intention of trying to fit in here.
What a quote.
“Whats odd is some Tommy guy brought it up and we havent heard from him in hours.”
Sorry, man, but I can’t stay on the blog all day long on Memorial Day. I’m going to try and check in from time to time but I’m not on here constantly.
So what I’m getting from the naysayers of Schafer being sent down is that a player cannot learn a thing, fix a thing, improve at all from being sent down to the minors.
Wow…that contradicts decades of GM thinking. I guess we want to see the Francoeur process all over again. That sure has worked out well.
I think many of you aren’t following my line of thinking. I’m not saying that there is someone down on the farm that warrants a call-up. I’m saying to help Schafer out a little. If you think his confidence isn’t down with that current average, you have to be kidding me. Baseball is such a mental game and just a few weeks of success in AAA could do wonders for the kid.
Bring Blanco up and you’ll AT LEAST get what Schafer is giving offensively. I agree that his defense isn’t what Schafer’s is as I feel Schafer has a great defensive future ahead of him. I don’t care who they bring up, honestly. My point is to save Schafer from perhaps a record-setting year of futility.
Hundreds of rookies have been sent back down, folks, to later return and flourish.
JX its not that I dont think he cares, but when you always here you are doing a good job from your boss, you probably think you are doing your part. Which with this lineup I dont think we can afford another guy to be another automatic out and I gave up of Francouer last year when he got sent down and pouted. Back when we had a good offense we could afford to do this with certain players but we dont have that luxery anymore.
Frank from KS
N8 re: your 12:10 p.m.
How bout Otis Nixon or Brett Butler for teaching Schafer about being a leadoff hitter and laying down bunts, etc?
Butler used to scare the **** out of me when he was playing with the Dodgers and the Braves would face him in critical situations cause ya knew he could lay down a bunt and beat it out for a basehit and ya have to worry about his speed at 1st.
May 25th, 200912:56 pm
Last year on Memorial Day, the Braves were 28-23 2 and a half games back of the 30-20 Marlins, tied with the 29-24 Phillies, 4 games up on the 23-26 Mets, and 6 and a half up on the 22-30 Nationals. So…… yeah. Don’t get excited. Not that last year’s memorial day record is any indicator of, well, anything.
May 25th, 200912:57 pm
None of my comments are showing up…..
We did lose 90 games….sad times. The last game of the year, that Hampton supposedly gave up a meatball to Ausmus, lost us our 90th game.
how about if the braves just give up – you know they are not going anywhere – especially with that washed-up, blathering tool of a manager they have
May 25th, 200912:58 pm
So is it the general opinion around here that Mark Texeira had absolutely no impact on Chipper’s numbers last year before Tex was traded?
May 25th, 200912:59 pm
I see what your saying but based on most of the pitching, this team is better than last years. Will they make it to the post season..IDK, but I would bet they won’t lose 90 games.
May 25th, 20091:00 pm
Well got to leave for a few hours…looking forward to the game tho!
Looks like Wheeler is either going to the Giants at #6 or the Braves at #7.
Frank, Butler was EXACTLY who I had in mind. Nixon would do too, though.
Jim Hertel, through May of 2008, the Braves record was 19-17.
Can someone tell me what the Braves’ won/lost record was last year on Memorial Day?
Well their won/lost record on Memorial Day last year is 1-0. They beat the Diamondbacks 7-3 last Memorial Day and BMac hit his 9th hr of the season that day. So maybe that’s a good sign.
For April, NO…when Tex got hot yes. But Chipper did hit around .400 with the combo of Mac and Frenchy behind him after Tex was traded. Chipper may have hit .400 the whole year had we kept Tex, but he also had shoulder problems, so whose to say he would have.
May 25th, 20091:02 pm
That was the day Webb pitched and we thought we would lose. Tex ended up winning the game for us with a 4 rbi day.
Hack…Yes really. 4 years of being a blog regular it ranks up there as one of the worst comments…ever.
As far as Wheeler at 7 in the draft…I hope he’s there for the taking. You can’t never have too much talented young pitching in your minor league system.
Back off Chipper Jones’ numbers. He’s reason for concern number 72…we are on number 3. No need to argue pointlessly about it when there are FAR greater reasons for concern on this current Braves roster.
May 25th, 20091:03 pm
“None of my comments are showing up…” The Truth
That one did.
It’s how this format of the blog works. I’ve had nights/days where I’ll post something 5 or 6 times (copying and pasting it – knowing that it might not show up – so I can retry), and sometimes it NEVER shows. But as soon as I post a sentence bitching about it not showing up, that post will.
I’ve just gotten used to it and ignore it. Unless I’m in the middle of a conversation/argument with somebody and don’t want to leave them “hanging”.
But not much you can do about it. No rhyme or reason as to why/when it “eats” posts.
May 25th, 20091:04 pm
Thanks bravos, for making me feel like I’m not a complete idiot. Just a partial idiot; and I feel as if I fit in again!
May 25th, 20091:05 pm
RHR I think he meant the overall record at Memorial Day last year.
You mean like Gorkys Hernandez: .339 BA, .393 OBP, 18 RBI, 31 runs scored, 9 stolen bases. leads off, plays CF. Coach
Yeah, but that would be another prospect making the jump from AA to the ML. I have seen enough unpolished Braves rookies in recent years, and I am looking forward to the day when a Braves prospect debuts with a modicum of plate discipline.
However, those are some nice numbers by Gorky, and he is definitely a guy to keep an eye on.
May 25th, 20091:06 pm
You mean like Gorkys Hernandez: .339 BA, .393 OBP, 18 RBI, 31 runs scored, 9 stolen bases. leads off, plays CF. — Coach
No, that’s why I said “major-league ready.” He’s 21 years old with only two full minor-league seasons under his belt, and in one of those he played only 100 games. Kid was in A-ball at this time last year.
May 25th, 20091:07 pm
LOL. I’m not trying to make any feel like an idiot. That was just my opinion and how I saw last year. lol
The Truth and N8, yup I have been trying to post a comment back to nolie for like an hour. Isn’t working. Oh well.
May 25th, 20091:08 pm
Dave do we get Chipper back?
Absolutely BEAUTIFUL day out here. Supposed to get to 60, sunny.
Tomorrow, 70 and sunny.
May 25th, 20091:09 pm
DOB, but why should that matter, his age or anything like that? I mean, we shouldn’t worry about ruining the player development process………
Or the fact that he isn’t ready and wouldn’t be much better than Schafer.
I was answering a question. I certainly think we’re better than last year. Someone asked what the Bravos’ record was on Memorial Day last year ‘wondering if they should be excited about this season…’. I don’t know why I actually looked it up, because like I said, last year’s record isn’t really an indicator of anything.
The Braves were 27-23 at this point last year..(the season started late this year cause of the WBC)
May 25th, 20091:10 pm
hey!DOB, How bout Nick Markakis?? any chance Los bravos could somehow molest the Orioles and send Ol frenchy up there for Markakis???
May 25th, 20091:12 pm
I know. I also know we can’t be happy with only being 1.5 out. But as I said I believe this team won’t lose 90 games, but that’s all I can be absolutely sure about. I want them to make it, but after last year it’ll be hard to be disappointed in a good season.
Chipper IS in lineup today. PR man didn’t know if Escobar was
DOB do you have the lineup yet,do ya, do ya, doya are we there yet? do ya?
I’m the first to say that you can manipulate your stats to make just about any point. But take a look at what Schafer has done since his week 1 splash on the scene this season:
.179 average, .228 SLG, .308 OBP.
May 25th, 20091:15 pm
TommyP, good point on Schafer Light!!!
Ha. Well, let’s see. Nick Markakis was arbitration eligible for the first time this season. But instead of settling or going to arbitration, he signed a 6 year, 66 million dollar extension buying out all of his arbitration years and his first 3 free agent years plus a 17.5 million dollar mutual option for 2015. So, no. I don’t think the Orioles would be interested in parting with someone they just put in a ton of effort to lock up for the next 6 years.
May 25th, 20091:16 pm
Are they seriously wearing these hats today?
PWH, didn’t know he was signed up thanks for the 411….
May 25th, 20091:17 pm
You agree that Blanco’s D isn’t as good as Schafer’s. Have you seen Bobby’s quotes that it’s Schafer’s D that’s keeping him in the every-day lineup? Have you seen how our corner OFers can barely move?
We need someone in CF who can go get the ball. And Blanco is no better than Schafer offensively, and with much less upside.
maybe a Nelson Cruz type???
anybody but Francan’t
May 25th, 20091:18 pm
Can’t understand why AAA Braves don’t play B. Jones in CF just to see how bad, or good, he might do out there. Frankly, he would probably provide more offense in RF in ML lineup, but that’s another story.
OMG those hats are Hideous!!!!
May 25th, 20091:20 pm
Wow, Greenville has some serious prospects. Rizzo, Almanzar, Tejada, Middlebrooks, Hissey for postional talents. Kelly, Hagadone and Pimental for pitchers…..
May 25th, 20091:21 pm
WOw. look at this little nugget.
Last year on Memorial Day the Braves where 6-16 on the road and 2-12 in 1-run games, and 21-7 at home
This year on Memorial Day the Braves are 12-8 on the road, 8-6 in 1-run games, and 11-12 at home.
May 25th, 20091:22 pm
“No, that’s why I said “major-league ready.” He’s 21 years old with only two full minor-league seasons under his belt, and in one of those he played only 100 games. Kid was in A-ball at this time last year.” DOB
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Andruw play in the majors in the SAME season as the one he started in A ball, at age 19?
Not saying that Gorkys is any more ready than Schafer is/was or that he’d be as good as Andruw was. Andruw rose from A to AA to AAA, and DOMINATED (his numbers got better at each level (he hit .378 at AAA in 96), as he progressed.
But he certainly couldn’t do any worse than Schafer is doing (offensively) and could be the spark this team needs at the top of the order, allowing KJ and Escobar to hit lower in the order and drive in runs.
Or Wren could have just kept Josh Anderson.
May 25th, 20091:23 pm
I know….Last year they had the stars and stripe hats, but they were solid dark blue like our road hats….they looked better then those red ones.
I bet the Braves will wear those blue tops and if they do wear those hats, then OMG.
May 25th, 20091:24 pm
“Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Andruw play in the majors in the SAME season as the one he started in A ball, at age 19?”
N8, not everyone can just come up to the majors and contribute at such a young age. I mean, come on man. Even if he could play slightly better than Jordan right now, why would you want to rush him and potentially ruin his development process?
WhiteSnake in the house
May 25th, 20091:25 pm
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Can’t understand why AAA Braves don’t play B. Jones in CF just to see how bad, or good, he might do out there. (JIM)
Likely because they’ve seen just how average at best he is at a far less demanding defensive position in left
why is it that so many fans think that only offense matters, and that fielding doesn’t count?
May 25th, 20091:26 pm
The most important way MLB can recognize the service and sacrifices of American soldiers is to create a special cap (only $36.99!) to sell to fans.
To add to the discussion of last season….if the Braves win those 3 games in Phily…or take 2/3 from the Phils right before the trade deadline…..they do not trade Tex and mightive gone to the playoffs last season.
If memory serves correctly…they could’ve and sure should’ve won 2 of those games….but the pen blew leads in both.
May 25th, 20091:29 pm
Joebrave (12:42 pm): “If you guys are going to nitpick somebody’s numbers take a good hard look at the goofball playing RF…2+ years of sub-par performance, and he takes the team to Arb!!! “
Not true — they split the difference prior to an arbitration hearing.
How ’bout getting your facts straight before offering your opinions.
May 25th, 20091:30 pm
Why have the conversation about Schafer? The alternatives in minor leagues are not there yet, the best suggestion was made by Jim of putting Brandon Jones in cf in Gwinnett to see what he can do. Josh Anderson was the other answer, but that ship has sailed.
Efrim, I agree with you. But Wren doesn’t. That’s why Josh Anderson was let go. So the kids didn’t have to be rushed.
Besides, I wasn’t neccesarily advocating calling him up early. Just debating the comment DOB made, which was stated as though there isn’t any precedent in the Braves bringing up young guys to help out.
I suspect that if Gorkys gets moved to AAA ball in the next few weeks, it is because they are thinking that they might need him this year.
But like I said. I would have just kept Josh Anderson around as insurance. Wren left himself no other option but to force Bobby to stick with Schafer the entire season by eliminating his one viable option. Because, in my opinion if the Braves thought ANYTHING of Gregor Blanco, he would have been given the CF job leading into this season, and let Schafer get some time at AAA. But they didn’t. So it’s all or nothing with Schafer and only Schafer in CF.
If this were a poker game, Wren would have not left himself any “outs” and is “all in” with young Schafer. Risky, if you ask me.
Perhaps the reward is right around the corner? We’ll find out soon enough, I guess.
May 25th, 20091:31 pm
Finally! A Josh Anderson mention! It’s been at least 2 days since we last had one.
May 25th, 20091:32 pm
DOB ,just curious about when a player like Gorky comes up to fill in a few weeks or months do they get a bump in their pay up to the minimum amount of MLB pay and when they go back does it revert back to AAA level?
May 25th, 20091:33 pm
The fact is Jeff believed he was worth more than they offered, and he wasn’t that hot.
May 25th, 20091:34 pm
That’s an interesting little nugget there bravos2249.
I think our best trade possibility at the moment is probably Brad Hawpe.
Random, I watch the ganes dude and not to hurt your feelings but Your Golden boy has SUCKED like a vacuum the last 2+ years, and he is not getting any better, I am glad he didn’t sign that extension, now maybe some of these scouts will get off that n.e. Atlanta bandwagon of baseball mediocrity called Gwinnett All-Stars!!!!
Is there any reason why todays game is a day game when the Braves had to travel to SF yesterday.
May 25th, 20091:37 pm
I seen Blanco in the WBC on ESPN (can’t remember the team he was playing for). Dude can fly. He’s got the type of speed the Braves need at the top of the order.
May 25th, 20091:38 pm
Jeff straight up for David DeJesus (by the July deadline) barring a miracle where Jeff rediscovers how to hit for power and drive in RBI’s at a consistant rate.
This was suggested a day or two ago, but for next year…making run at Jorge Cantu (for 2B) and moving Kelly back to LF could be a possibility that won’t break the bank and it won’t cost high priced pitching prospects.
Still doesn’t solve RF…that’s where the big move will have to be made if once and for all Jeff gets the vote of NO confidence from the Braves.
O’Brien, how the hell do you know Gorkys Hernandez ain’t ML ready?
Have you seen him play? NO, I don’t think so.
Brian McCann and Jeff Francoeur were 21 when they broke in and both came straight up from AA ball. Andruw Jones was 19 with less than three full minor league seasons.
I could go on and on but I digress. Don’t go making assumptions about thing you know nothing about Sir.
Chop Chop (May 24th, 2009 10:10 pm) —
‘Nuff said, okay?
May 25th, 20091:40 pm
It’s never enough, Random.
CC: I also agreed with you about the defense between Schafer and Blanco. (again, that post didn’t show up for some reason)
If defense is all they’re looking for, there are probably dozens in the Independent League that we could sign on the cheap.
Poor Schafe is “Fielding like Tarzan but hitting like Jane.” If it was a veteran with not much of a ceiling, I’d say go with it but one of your top prospects miring in absolute failure???
let’s see .244 ba, and .291 obp in his last 765 ab Yep that’s a damn stellar performer.
May 25th, 20091:41 pm
If you have ESPN Insider or not here’s a little but on Vazquez
Would you rather have Josh Anderson or Greg Norton right now?
Don’t answer that question unless your IQ is above 120.
[Tomahawkin (May 24th, 2009 12:43 pm): “I’m calling for a sweep, hopefully we Spot Double J some runs early and he pitches 7 innings giving up 2 runs”]
Thanks for the Props on my prediction…Even though Double J didn’t get the decision (Which is why I think Wins and Losses are a overrated stat for a pitcher) Doulble Could easily have 8 wins…
May 25th, 20091:43 pm
Gotta run for a bit and eat some brats off the grill but before I do….
2007: Bobby runs Andruw out there daily despite the very sad results.
2008: Bobby runs Frenchie out there daily despite the very sad results.
2009: Bobby runs Schafer out there daily despite the very sad results.
Let’s save 1 of the 3.
I’m not jumping on the Blacno bandwagon, but wouldn’t he know the ML pitchers better than Triple A. Cause in a sense he’s facing guys that were mostly in Double A last season, maybe not. But would you not think he’d hit better since he’s probably faced at least SOME of these ML pitchers, if not most?
May 25th, 20091:44 pm
.657 ops, and 133 strikeouts Yeah that CRAP HAS ALL-STAR WRITTEN ALL-OVER IT!!!!
God, Coach sucks.
May 25th, 20091:45 pm
well Coach That IQ excludes you.
Coach (2010 or Bust)
I’d rather have Josh Anderson for LF, but solely on pinch hitting I’d want a vet, maybe not Norton over Anderson but someone else.
May 25th, 20091:47 pm
I’ve Been calling it for the Last 18 months to bring Nelson (Nellie) Cruz to the “A” because he can hit a ton, he’s young, and he doesn’t have a monolith of a contract…!
On And BTW, I can’t believe that we have hit more homers than the Mets…
I miss the steroid era…
Actually I think we gained a lot from the steroid era…Our pitchers were just that damn good to avoid being victims of roided up sluggers…
At the same time we had the best braves offensive teams of this generation (1993,96,98,99,2000,2001,2003)… Some of those my debate about the 1999 and 01 teams but those teams at least had players drive in over 100 runs…
May 25th, 20091:49 pm
A little more difference, maybe, than mentioned previously between this year’s record at Memorial compared to last year’s…last year this time we had not been through the lost of Hampton, Smoltz, Glavine, Hudson…and we didn’t have Gonzalez…not sure that Soriana was well. Really, though, I agree it is difficult to look at records this early and draw comparisons.
Coach re: your 1:38 p.m.
Hey, does your work relate close to the Atlanta Braves? NO, I don’t think so….(Lol).
DOB’s does with him being a Brave beat writer….SO he might know WHAT the hell he’s talking about.
As someone once said……don’t go making assumptions about things you know nothing about sir.
May 25th, 20091:53 pm
Frank: Literary ability has nothing to do with baseball IQ.
May 25th, 20091:55 pm
AND your point is Tommy?
May 25th, 20091:56 pm
thanks for the responses…
however you didn’t address the issue of how terrible defensively our corner OFers are, which is the main reason Schafer is needed out there everyday.
Now, I wish we’d kept Josh Anderson… but that horse has been dead for a long long time.
May 25th, 20091:57 pm
Tomahawkin: You sure have. Props to you. But it’s too late for that idea to come to fruition. He’d come too expensive. (kinda like how I was preaching to acquire McLouth when the Pirates brass was down on him 2 years ago…he was fighting for his job before last year’s breakout year…Now??? Too expensive.)
May 25th, 20091:58 pm
whats the lineup DOB!!! CMON MAN!!
May 25th, 20092:00 pm
You get my point, Frank.
CC: No problem.
Our OF defense is lacking. But you don’t keep one of your top prospects while he’s honestly clueless at the plate for defense only. Again, sign a speedy no hit-all glove veteran if that’s all you want.
Rob from SC
May 25th, 20092:04 pm
Schafer will be fine. As long as he keeps his confidence he will improve. Sometimes struggling make people a better player. Francoeur was awesome when he got called up. Now look at him. Please give Schafer time to adjust.
May 25th, 20092:05 pm
Here’s another stick for you guys to chew on Adam Lind?? any thoughts
Tommy…”sign a speedy no hit-all glove veteran”
Got any names that would fit that bill?
May 25th, 20092:07 pm
The Anderson thing is pretty much a moot point………….now.
Norton will heat up with some clutch hits soon enough. I mean, that bat of his seems to have Frenchy coming around….some.
May 25th, 20092:08 pm
If you get the MLB channel, Matt Harrison is starting for the Rangers
against the Bronx Bombers, and all the other ex-Bravos prospects(Andrus, Salty) should be in the lineup as well.
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