2:38 pm May 21, 2009, by David O'Brien
May 21st, 20094:43 pm
p-town brave i glad i could provide a good gut buster for you today no charge for that one
May 21st, 20094:44 pm
I’m just trying to understand how to read it, II Cattivo. He’s not really bothering me.
P-Town – I greatly prefer option A but B is funny.
Sorry guys to change the subject…
I Just post that because and young lady just walk to my office the other day and she was braging about a big plan of celebration for Memorial day weekend.I ask her if she know what is she celebrating, and she not have a clue….
Now ..Back to baseball….
May 21st, 20094:45 pm
BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM
MFin04 (Time to Get Rid of Bennett, Buddy and Cox!)
May 21st, 20094:47 pm
Jersey Gil – people in America have very little love or respect for the country anymore, anything to get a day off of work. It’s sad, I know.
escobar worst hair and even worser teeth on the team
May 21st, 20094:48 pm
Macon unless that was a typo.. its not herf — its href.
1. Escobar, SS
2. Kotchman, 1B
3. Chipper, 3B
4. Murphy, RF (That’s right boys and girls)
5. BMac, C
6. GHubbard, 2B
7. MDiaz, LF
8. Schafer, CF
Where’s frenchy you ask? Clemson.
Kelly Johnson career vs. Aaron Cook: 0 for 9
Yunel Escobar career vs. Aaron Cook: 3 for 8
I think it’s a good bet you’ll see Esco hitting leadoff tonight with Kotchman in the 2-hole. Chipper is 7 for 17 vs. Cook.
May 21st, 20094:49 pm
TN Jeff (3:42 pm): “Bennett pitched the inning before and why use a pitch hitter in a blow-out game when you you don’t want to waste a bunch of pitchers and this guy needs to pitch some innings. This was in no-way showing up the team – in fact IF they had used a pitch hitter then that might have been showing up the team.
“Cox does some dumb things like in a previous game when he let Moylen bat and then replaced him defensively before the next inning. This wasn’t dumb though.”
Letting Moylan hit for himself before being replaced by another pitcher the next inning wasn’t dumb in that particular game, either.
Just as a manager might sometimes not want to run through his bullpen too early in a game (”you don’t want to waste a bunch of pitchers”), sometimes he doesn’t want to run through his bench too early in a game, either.
If the pitcher who came in for Moylan was a better hitter, then yeah, he should have pinch hit for him. But he wasn’t.
It was 13 May at NY.
O’Flaherty pitched the 6th, and was pinch hit for by Norton in the 7th. Kotchman pinch hit for Diaz to end the 7th (Prado played 1B all game) and was replaced in the field by Francoeur (Diaz had started in RF). Moylan came in to pitch the bottom of the 7th.
Kelly Johnson pinch hit for Schafer with 1 out and Prado on 2B and doubled him home to put the Braves up 7-6 (Infante had started at 2B and later shifted to CF after Schafer was pinch hit for). Then the pitcher’s spot came up with only 1 bench player left — McCann.
Moylan hit for himself because the next pitcher to come in was Soriano. Moylan’s career OBP and OPS are 167 points higher than Soriano’s, so letting him hit for himself was a no-brainer.*
Cox did eventually bat McCann for Parr in the 10th (ground out), and then Kawakami for Bennett in the 12th (K). Braves won on Prado’s 12th inning HR, with Gonzalez getting the save in the bottom of the inning.
So imo it wasn’t dumb at all for Cox to let Moylan bat in the 7th before replacing him with Soriano in the 8th — there was a whole lot of baseball yet to be played at that point and he had already run through most of his bench.
* In their respective 4 and 5 career ABs, neither Soriano nor Moylan have a hit. But Moylan did get a BB once.
PS: This was another game in which Bennett pitched two scoreless innings like he did last night, with 1 hit and 0 BBs (1 K). He got the win.
Eric, your “off base” because you’re assuming I don’t like Vazquez.
I don’t know how many times I have to retype this. NEVER liked the trade. Don’t have a problem with the guy. NEVER liked the trade. Don’t have a problem with the guy. NEVER liked the trade. Don’t have a problem with the guy. (just ask, and I’ll copy and paste it a few more times)
So the “your posts speak for themselves that you don’t like Vazquez” comment is OFF BASE. Let me repeat. Didn’t like the trade. Don’t have a problem with the guy. He’s been a mediocre pitcher his whole career, and I think that Hanson could do that for less than 11.5 million dollars and Tyler Flowers. WHAT PART of that don’t you understand.
Repeat after me. Didn’t like the trade. Don’t have a problem with the guy.
As for AJ? He did an end-around with Boras and signed that deal on his own, and Boras was PIZZED about it.
You think it wasn’t about the money? Ask yourself the question. If the Braves offer would have been the EXACT same as the other teams that made offers to Lowe, do you still think he comes to Atlanta?
Sure the player is the one who signs the contract. Then why is JS and Wren pizzed with Furcal’s agency rather than Furcal? Don’t be so naive.
My mistake on the stats. I could have sworn Schafer went 0-5 with 3 strikouts that game he hit leadoff. I must have had it mistaken with about 15 other games with those same kind of stats. I just don’t think he’s ready to move up yet. He’s making steps in the 8 hole to turn his game around. Putting him back up top will put a ton of pressure on him to get on base and be effective and if he performs poorly he’ll be right back at square one and have to start it over again. He’s no Dexter Fowler, just be patient and take his time.
do you really believe Chipper cares more about himself than the team? Really???
My exact quote was, “I guess he cares more about himself than the team.
Do you not remember him moving to LF so Vinny could come and play 3rd base? That wasn’t for his sake; that was for the team’s sake. How many times has he deferred money so the team could sign a free agent? Answer these questions and then tell me you really believe Chipper cares more about Chipper than the Braves. Think, man.
Yes I rememeber Gimper getting jettisoned to left field and deffering money. But, I have yet to hear exactly WHY he feels the “3 hole” is the only place he wants to bat. (IMO, it hurts the team because he’s the best cleanup type hitter we have on the team right now.)
Btw, I can’t figure out who missed more when diving for balls.. him or KJ.
WORK’S OVER. LET’S GO MEDLIN!
May 21st, 20094:50 pm
Those stats are for games since 2004, btw.
May 21st, 20094:51 pm
No apologies needed, Gil. Good on you for filling her in. I got a great email yesterday about Memorial Day. If you have an email address you don’t mind putting out on the blog I’ll send it to you.
In an EXTREMELY aggravating mood...
DOB….where’s the lineup for tonight??? GEEEZ, get on it pal!
Macon Braves (RIP)
If the White Sox want Peavy to waive his no trade clause and come play for them, they better hope he’s not watching their game today. They’re down 20-1 going into the 9th!!
May 21st, 20094:52 pm
Go get em Kris, you can’t do any worse than Jo-Jo
I hope DOB got (or gets) a chance to talk with Medlen before the game. Can you imagine what that kid is feeling right about now?
May 21st, 20094:53 pm
dylan w/o the dead
Chipper is a team player flat out he loves this organization and has said multiple times he wants to play his entire career here. It would be silly to move one of the best 3rd slot hitters in braves history to 4th if it makes him uncomfortable at all. the truth is batting order doesnt make a difference other then mentally. our lineups production wouldnt improve by taking at bats from our best hitter just to move him into the percieved power spot of the lineup.
May 21st, 20094:54 pm
Yeah, it was a typo. What I don’t get is, it turns my link word blue, but it doesn’t link. I don’t know, I’ve confrused myself now (yes, that’s an itentional typo on confrused)
’m shocked that with Infante’ going down the blog hasn’t been flooded with Wilson Betemit trade requests. (N8)
I guess Wilson’s day has finally passed to be a Braves savior. Looks like DeRo is the newly anointed compulsion.
Wes..medlin is the Magictian….Medlen is the Little guys with big hart that pitching tonight.
Jeff321-It doesn’t matter if Chipper bats third or fourth if there’s no one worth a damn hitting behind him.
May 21st, 20094:55 pm
Eric calling me a moron says more about your character than mine. Well done. When my 8 year old gets pizzed at my 10 year old and has nothing better to repsond with, he usually starts the name calling to.
Have fun golfing. If you see any lightning your way, stay out a little longer.
HEY WHATTA YA KNOW!!!!!!!!
I’m feeling good now!! GO BRAVOS
May 21st, 20094:56 pm
It would be silly to move one of the best 3rd slot hitters in braves history to 4th if it makes him uncomfortable at all.
Yeah, making sure Chipper is “comfortable” is way more important than putting more wins on the table! Isn’t Chipper a grown man? If he’s such a HOF type player then why can’t he switch to clean up?
RHR …yes email me to : email@example.com…
May 21st, 20094:57 pm
Maybe I was spelling herf instead of href. Oh well, it worked once anyway (gonna stop while I’m ahead now though)
Who needs AJC WordPress training when I got good ole Jeff321 and the rest of you guys…THANKS
May 21st, 20094:58 pm
Macon – I found a new site try pasting from the first line on Title the visitor sees. one.
May 21st, 20095:00 pm
Macon – Sorry I messed up that link. Try this one.
I thought that was Merlin, but ok…LoL
Where the heck is the lineup already…I have to go play softball soon…I at least want to be excited or freaked out before I go!
May 21st, 20095:01 pm
Let me find another link that one is whacked.
May 21st, 20095:02 pm
For all the Prado lovers, including myself, one thing for sure is that he ain’t going anywhere for a long time. Bobby loves the guy and he’s quickly turned into a fan favorite, so I’ll shave every hair on my body if Prado gets traded in the near future. That’s how confident I am.
May 21st, 20095:04 pm
It doesn’t matter if Chipper bats third or fourth if there’s no one worth a damn hitting behind him.
Lew, I don’t about you, but I think McCann is worth a damn. That said, its all about who’s on base before him to me. I mean, if the sacks are jacked they could int’l walk him and bring in a run.
May 21st, 20095:05 pm
Jeff321-And how exactly, do you figure that we would have won more games with Chipper batting fourth? First of all, the only time this season he wasn’t able to hit was when McCann was on the DL and they kept walking him. Since then, both McCann and Anderson have actually knocked in quite a few runs from the 4th spot and Kotchman has knocked in his share too, from further down.
While Mac And Anderson were on the DL, hardly anyone besides Chipper with his walks was even getting on base and there was no one hitting behind him to protect him so batting 3rd or 4th wouldn’t have made any difference. He was getting walked either way.
Thanks for the confidence builder…
I myself also enjoy watching Prado play…
But please…refrain from the body shaving…
May 21st, 20095:06 pm
At that point, we would’ve had to go w/ Schafer/Esco/KJ/Chipper to make that lineup work.
May 21st, 20095:07 pm
Having played a little baseball, my guess is that Chipper is more comfortable knowing that he is going to get an at bat in the first inning. He is a a very cerebral player, so that would not suprise me. Oh, and keeping your best players comfortable is a pretty big deal.
Chipper can’t hit cleanup because he’s a selfish p***y. Dude’s only got one ring, so where the hell does he get off? Screw him and his stupid team.
Go whoever’s gonna win the World Series this year.
May 21st, 20095:09 pm
Maggs has a .387 Avg against all NL East teams combined w/ 12 HR and 50 RBI (P-TOWN)
he also has an 18 million dollar contract. The Braves couldn’t afford 5 mil in the spring for an outfielder. Anybody who thinks the Braves are gonna spring a lot of money with that history and terrible attendance at the Ted is fooling themselves IMO. Dye or Maggs is not gonna happen, though either would be a nice addition to the team.
May 21st, 20095:10 pm
No lineup yet????
buzzmeat (BMAC AT CLEANUP!)
Braves FAN 2478
May 21st, 20095:14 pm
Thanks DOB for talking alot so far today! J/k
There drawing straws in the dugout ,short straw leads off…..
Lew – I agree that Kotchman & Anderson have driven in runs in the cleanup spot. But, all I hear from the “knowitall’s” is Chipper needs protection. So, McCann is the most feared hitter besides Chipper on our team. It makes sense to bat them back to back.
Which can be partly blamed on Cox for his stubborn “KJ for lead off” fetish. The guy doesn’t like hitting lead off. Which is why his numbers are much better batting lower in the order.
The problem with Chipper in the 3 hole is: He rarely has anyone to drive in. (Assuming KJ is leading off and Escobar is hitting into a DP if KJ manages to get on.)
Plus the same can be said for Kotchman (who I happen to love) and his batting spot. What if he drove in runs with his team leading doubles in every at bat? Right. He is a #2 hitter all the way. (Then studly Chipper would have someone to drive in.)
Wasn’t Diorys hernandez part of the Renteria trade also. We really have to laugh hard at Detroit now that he has come up also.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
May 21st, 20095:15 pm
Chipper said before the season started that he would hit cleanup if he was asked. Apparently Bobby hasn’t asked him.
Goldenglove, No, its was Gorkys Hernandez and Jair Jurrjens
May 21st, 20095:16 pm
you’re thinking of Gorkys Hernandez, not Diory.
May 21st, 20095:17 pm
So in your scenario, let me get this right, do you have BMac hitting 3rd and Chipper 4th?
May 21st, 20095:18 pm
Chop Chop – Your comedy act is getting tired dude.
At age 25, if Francoeur’s HS class hasn’t graduated from college yet, I’m not so sure they should have been admitted to begin with. (LEW)
LOL, yeah that was a pretty stupid comment from the scout. .
Maybe they are all gonna be doctors?
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
May 21st, 20095:19 pm
I thought the experiment LaRussa ran last year hitting his pitcher No. 8 and a “second leadoff guy” ninth (guaranteeing Pujols an AB in the first inning) was goofy, but perhaps it wasn’t so strange after all. And maybe it would work for the Braves, not that Cox would ever do something so unorthodox.
But if you want to keep Schafer at the bottom of the order, why not put him in the nine spot? If he gets on base, he’s up with the top of the order behind him. And he’s clearly the biggest base-stealing threat on the club.
If he doesn’t get on, you’ve already turned over the lineup anyway.
I hate giving that smug SOB LaRussa props for anything, but he may have actually called this one right.
P-Town – I’m not really one of these lineup junkies. I have never posted one myself. That said, Chipper would bat 4th and McCann 5th. Obviously the first 3 should be people that have the best chance to get on base. Therefore, if Chipper delivers like he’s advertised to do.. We’d win more ball games. Plain and simple.
May 21st, 20095:20 pm
You want your best hitter(Chipper) to bat in the first inning. The only way he should bat cleanup is if several guys were hitting for higher average .
May 21st, 20095:22 pm
And those people would be _______, __________, and _________?
May 21st, 20095:23 pm
All this lineup talk is getting OLD, and boring.
OOps — I meant to say “So imo it wasn’t dumb at all for Cox to let Moylan bat in the [top of the 8th] before replacing him with Soriano in the [bottom]“.
A further point — Moylan batted for himself because Soriano was busy warming up to pitch the bottom of the 8th.
If Soriano had held them in the 8th, Gonzalez would have gotten the save in the 9th rather than the 12th.
Your act never gets tired. I salute you.
I remember someone telling me that he was a third player involved in the trade (I knew it was Gorkys and JJ). So if not where’d Diory come from?
May 21st, 20095:24 pm
I really think the only way Chipper were to bat cleanup is either a) if BMac did hit 3rd OR if Schafer, Escobar, and Kelly were all hitting well…then you could conceivably bat KJ 3rd, even though I still prefer him 6/7.
May 21st, 20095:25 pm
Hope you picked me up in the fantasy softball league for tonight…I’m feelin real strong!
May 21st, 20095:26 pm
How do y’all leik my “act?”
diory at one time was at rome with mac and frenchy
May 21st, 20095:27 pm
He came from the Dominican…somewhere after April 8, 1984
May 21st, 20095:29 pm
I dropped you, P-Town Brave. Your BABIP has been too high. You’re due for a regression to the mean. Also, your OPS is a little low. You do a pretty good job of getting on base, but the power just isn’t there. With that BABIP drop hanging over my head like the Sword of Damocles, I just couldn’t justify allowing you to become an overall drag on my lineup. Sorry, dude.
Any ideas on what numbers Medlen and Hernandez will wear?
Medlen was 20 and Hernandez 11 (both taken)
May 21st, 20095:31 pm
woogidy – excellent point.
Thanks, Chop Chop. I enjoy some of your posts, but this new “kick” you’ve been on is really lame. Just saying.
P-Town Brave – Right now I’d bat Escobar, Kotchman, Anderson, Jones, McCann.
May 21st, 20095:32 pm
1. Willie Mays Hayes CF
2. Roger Dorn 3B
3. Jack Parkman C
4. Pedro Cerrano RF
5. Isuto Tanaka LF
6. Jake Taylor 1B
7. Harry Doyle 2B
8. Lou Brown SS
9. Ricky Vaughn P
May 21st, 20095:33 pm
Sadly I should ask if you’re stalking me….I do actually get on base quite a bit, but since I’m a leadoff hitter, I really don’t have an incredible amount of power…(ie most of my extra base hits come from my legs)
No problem, Jeff321. I don’t mind receiving criticism from someone as cool as you. You rock. Keep fighting the good fight.
I think that we should bat Schafer leadoff since he will probably strike out, and therefore leaving Escobar, batting second, unable to hit into a double play.
May 21st, 20095:34 pm
Thats also a good thought…I keep forgetting about Garret, but then again, long DL stints and no power of any kind will make a guy do that.
I have scouts for my fantasy softball league team, P-Town. You always need to do your best because, hey, you never know who’s watching, right?
this is a test
DOB where is the freaking lineup your slacking today???
Steve from OH
May 21st, 20095:35 pm
BA draft chat:
“Ian (Atlanta GA): Are the Braves willing to pony up the reported $6 million it will take to sign Tate in case he falls to # 7, or is he not going to fall past SF?
John Manuel: I don’t see that happening; Atlanta has other targets such as Zach Wheeler and Alex White.”
Let’s not luagh too hard…remember the Tex trade.
You win some and you lose some.
May 21st, 20095:36 pm
Steve from OH, what are your thoughts on Grant Green? If he slips to #7, do you draft him or stick to the prep pitchers like Matzek (if available) or Wheeler, Purke, etc?
May 21st, 20095:38 pm
Hello Hello—- KJ has already fallen on his face as a lead off hitter. I would love to have DRoe back! He will not be cheap though. Others want him– like the Mets–
“DaleMurphy’sGhost (Flowery Branch GA): What kind of prospects does Kris Medlen have to be a frontline MLB starter? All we have ever heard about down here is that Hanson’s coming. Is Medlen the real deal too?
Joe Sheehan: I saw him in the AFL and liked him a lot, more of a #3/#4, command and deception guy, than Hanson is. He might be as good now as he’s going to be, and he’ll serve as an upgrade over the disasters in the #5 slot to date.”
May 21st, 20095:39 pm
Y’all keep buggin’ DOB about the lineup and he’s gonna keep puttin’ it off I tell ya.
It’s a control “thing!”
May 21st, 20095:40 pm
Tyler, KC, etc….
Did you all not read DOB’s post on the previous blog (or was it a couple blogs ago…) If the line-up isn’t posted in the press box before DOB or Carroll go down to the clubhouse, you won’t get it until around 6PM when they get back from the clubhouse.
It’s a lineup. You’ll figure it out when the game starts, is it really that important? Do you just want to piss and moan over who isn’t batting where or why someone is in the lineup that bad?
May 21st, 20095:43 pm
Braves Lineup same as Tuesday Night with the exception of the hurler.
May 21st, 20095:44 pm
5. G. Anderson
Nate from NCState
May 21st, 20095:45 pm
1. Rafael Furcal SS
2. Mark Derosa 2B
3. Chipper Jones 3B
4. Mark Teixeria 1B
5. Jason Bay RF
6. Jarrod Saltalamacchia C
7. Andruw Jones CF
8. Ken Griffey Jr LF
9. Jake Peavy P
what could have been?
May 21st, 20095:46 pm
Chipper has 1 WS ring..not 1 ring. They get NL Championship Rings as well…that is if they don’t win the WS.
May 21st, 20095:47 pm
No reason to rush Hanson. See Avery,Steve.
Arms under 25 dont usually hold up if they get alot of innings before they are 25.
So ask yourself. Do you wan Hanson now with the risk he might deleope arm trouble like Avery in 2 or three years or woould you rather wait and hopefully have him for 10+ years
Ill take the latter
May 21st, 20095:48 pm
THB, that’s really a tough question, and one that I don’t have a good answer for. He has shown that he can be an outstanding player, and he sure as heck fills a major organizational need for us.
Here is Baseball America’s scouting report on him:
“Local area scouts have long been familiar with Green, who was drafted by the Padres in the 14th round in 2006 out of high school in Anaheim. Now 6-foot-3 and 180 pounds, Green should move to the top of the first round this year, building on his terrific showing in the Cape Cod League last summer, where he was overwhelmingly chosen as the top prospect. He struggled early this season, perhaps due to a touch of draftitis as well as two nagging injuries: a rolled ankle and hand blisters. His average hovered near the Mendoza line early, but he rallied to .365/.436/.556 as the regular season wound down. After pounding nine homers in 2008, he had three this season. Potential five-tool middle infielders are rare at the college level, prompting comparisons to former Long Beach State stars Troy Tulowitzki and Evan Longoria. Green does not project to have the same thunder in his bat—compared with Longoria, in particular—but he is similar to Tulowitzki in his defensive skills and playmaking ability. He has excellent range, outstanding hands and the smooth and fluid actions of a possible Gold Glove defender. Green has a fine arm, though not quite the cannon Tulowitzki possesses. He’s faster than either Longoria or Tulowitzki, frequently clocking in the 6.6-second range over 60 yards. While he doesn’t profile as an offensive powerhouse, he should become a long-term middle-infield fixture, a solid .280-plus big league hitter who may produce 15-20 home runs annually. Such potential is extremely rare in a college player, which is why Green ranks as one of the draft’s top 10 talents.”
Keith Law has this to say about Green:
“Green remains one of the top college bats in this draft, but his stock has taken a hit due to his light power production and problems on defense at short. Green is strong with good hand speed, but he leaks, hitting off his front foot, and doesn’t let the ball travel or build up much power in his swing before contact. His setup is solid and he’s short to the ball with good hand strength. His swing plane has a little loft, but it’s geared more for line drives than home run power. He’s patient, but his adjustments to changes of speed aren’t great, probably the result of the leak in his swing. He’s an above-average runner who takes long strides. In the field, Green is athletic enough to play shortstop but has had trouble both with fielding and throwing all spring. He could eventually have to move to third base. He’s big for a shortstop and a little awkward, but not so big that he’s a lock to have to move due to size. In a deeper year, he’d probably slip to the back of the first round or the sandwich round because of the issues with his swing and defense, but he’s a good athlete who could improve in both areas with pro instruction, so in a year with a dearth of good college position-player prospects, he’s still among the top five in that category.”
However, I think he’s being a bit harsh on his defensive ability. KLaw also thinks his potential as a hitter is 60, which I’d take (but only a 45 power).
If I had to play Frank Wren, my preferences would be (in order): Shelby Miller, Tyler Matzek, Grant Green, Zack Wheeler, although the gap between #1 and #4 is pretty small. In my book, can’t go wrong with any of them.
May 21st, 20095:49 pm
Hey Boss..Gracias for line up
Mixxo: No, not really a control thing at all. As I explained fully in one of Carroll’s blogs, it’s a logistics thing. If lineup’s not posted in pressbox (it wasn’t today) before we go down to clubhouse 3-1/2 hours before game, then we generally can’t get it to you until we come back up after working clubhouse, talking to the manager, etc. We usually come back up between 5:30 and 6.
If that’s not early enough for a few of you who need the lineup earlier, I don’t know what to tell you other than, hopefully you can find it somewhere else a little earlier. Because that’s when you’re going to get it here, I can assure you. And all the moaning and groaning, while amusing, isn’t going to get it up any sooner.
If it’s posted at 3:30, as it is several pressboxes and frequently is here, then you’ll get it then. If not, you’ll get it on this blog after we get back from clubhouse. I know that’s hard for two or three here to grasp, but it is what it is.
May 21st, 20095:51 pm
Anyone knows what was the corresponding move to get Kris Medlen onto the 40 men roster? I don’t think placing guys on to the 15 day DL open up any 40 men roster space.
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