2:38 pm May 21, 2009, by David O'Brien
May 21st, 20094:03 pm
Macon – If you haven’t completely given up yet.. Just go here and copy/paste the HTML LINK code. That’s what I just did for this to work. NOTE: Change “url” to “http://www.yourlink.com” and of course the “link text” to your own choice.
dye is to old to be trading for imo i mean i wouldnt give up our talent for a guy who is gonna be productive for a couple years and thats it
May 21st, 20094:04 pm
1. Otis Nixon- CF
2. Ron Gant -LF
3. Chipper – 3B
4. McGriff – 1B
5. Sheffield – RF
6. MAC – C
7. Blauser – SS
8. Lemke – 2B
9. The Rookie SP
See my 3:25…it explains the scenario to a T…or at least the shortened version of it
Eric from MO
N8 Vazquez was the right guy. We didnt know if JJ was going to go in a sophmore slump. Also who knows if Lowe would of signed if not for Vazquez. Also even if we had JJ and Lowe, without Vazquez our rotation would suck. Remember in 06 when Hudson and Smoltz did good but our other 3 spots blew, it would of been the same thing all over again.
MFin04 is an idiot
Yeah MFin04, perhaps if Schafer’s leading off National League pitchers won’t pitch to his weakness anymore. Makes perfect sense.
Just like firing the fourth winningest manager in MLB HISTORY- a logical decision.
Maybe we should trade for Corky Miller too, he could hit third.
May 21st, 20094:05 pm
Um, yeah, we only will need Dye for a couple years…I believe that was the point….oh, and I do believe he has 9 HR right now, which doubles anyone on the Braves.
gurantee wouldnt have any problem filling the ted up with that line up wheelz007
I should add, on that link above.. Scroll down to where it says An HTML Link.
Steve from OH
Ahh, from Back to the Future. Can’t believe I missed that. As you can probably tell, I’m no trekkie, either…
MFin04 (Time to Get Rid of Bennett, Buddy and Cox!)
May 21st, 20094:06 pm
Schafer is batting .280 with no one on base with .400 OBP
Schafer is batting .132 with runners on base with a .280 OBP
Why not keep Esco at lead-off until he goes belly-up? Why put Kelly back in a position to fail? Also, while it could have been worse, it also could have been better. It could have been Francoeur who left for the next 6-8 weeks.
my o my what levels of frustration a single line of code can cause, eh? Macon Brave
May 21st, 20094:08 pm
Neither of these are good arguments for batting Schafer leadoff.
12-5 final Phillis win…..OK Braves keep the paces…
We know you are crazy when you support Bobby. Bobby isnt a HOF manager w/o Three HOF pitchers. And even if he was good back in the day, he certainly has lost most of his marbles the past few seasons. He is no longer a HOF manager.
"The balls are bigger and slicker here," -Kawakami
Escobar hits well. But he grounds into many a double play. Putting him in the leadoff spot would prevent this from being to obvious a problem, no?
May 21st, 20094:09 pm
Also N8 you make a huge deal about paying Vazquez 11.5 million for our number 3 guy. What if JJ was making that and Vaqzuez was getting league min. would that be ok? Your logic is dumb. Lets not forget for the past 3 years we payed Hampton 16 mil for nothing. Lets not forget we are paying Hudson 10 to rehab. Now why again is Vazquez worse than them? Other than the fact you and Ozzie dont like him.
May 21st, 20094:10 pm
Steve in combo with Esco’s stats it is a good reason to bat Schafer leadoff. Esco is much better with runners on base and driving people in. If Esco isn’t batting leadoff who is? It is between KJ, Schafer, and Esco right?
Actually dude who wrote the 4:04 post, Schafer was 2 for 5 in his only leadoff appearance so it isn’t like he pulled a Kelly on everyone…
The fact that he leads the team, yes LEADS the team in walks speaks for itself…the K’s are coming down but slowly and he will eventually be a productive leadoff hitter…
Why not start after he has some confidence from last night?
Even though I am saying this, I anticipate the lineup from Tuesday, but then again, why the heck not, we did score a bit and win?!
Apparently Peavy would rather play for Ozzie than Cox! The man has spoken and its time to accept it Cox lovers.
May 21st, 20094:11 pm
Is it just me or does MFin’s opinion change within minutes? Or is he just quoting what other people said and replying to it? I don’t get it? Because it’s like…
MFin 5/21/09 2:58 p.m. Schafer is a strikeout machine! He can’t hit leadoff!
MFin 5/21/09 3:00 pm. Schafer is just a kid, he’s learning!
MFin 5/21/09 3:01 p.m. Schafer isn’t really that bad. Let’s see how he does at leadoff now.
Am I just reading him wrong?
May 21st, 20094:12 pm
There isn’t a good reason out there to bat Schafer leadoff. Just isn’t.
Our best leadoff hitters (right now) are either Esco or Kelly.
May 21st, 20094:13 pm
We need to maximize potential for the lineup. Schafer’s speed up top with no one on base might allow him to reach base more often. Especially with better hitters behind him in the order.
Escobar and KJ need to be batting 5/6 in the order to maximize their potential. Yes, Esco GIDPs a lot, but he also hits for a high average with men on base and drives them in. You have to take the good with the bad with him.
May 21st, 20094:14 pm
Really, I am not sure at this point what to do…I would like to bat Schafer leadoff, but then where does that leave Yunel as I really do not like him batting 2nd…
I think Casey Kotchman may have found a home there in the 2-hole…I really do…
So its either Schafer/Kotchman or Escobar/Kotchman take your pick…I don’t like platooning the leadoff hole otherwise I would say Esco take it against LHP and Schafer against RHP…
I could very well see Yunel batting 5th, but I just am not sure I would want that either.
And please explain to me how Escobar’s stats somehow magically make a 22-year old rookie who is having trouble right now hitting baseballs a top-notch option for hitting leadoff?
Good one Shane
Dr. Emmit Brown
May 21st, 20094:15 pm
You need an electrical reaction to generate the 1.21 jigawatts of electricity to make time travel possible.
No RHR, I think you’re reading him right…vintage MFin. On coke and posting 500 times per minute, with unpredictable results.
cphizzlei wouldnt give up our talent for a guy who is gonna be productive for a couple years and thats it
if dye produces for only a couple more years, that would be perfect because thats when his contract runs out. lets get him. (he under contract for this year and then one more option year)
shane come on now mcgriff over galaraga all day everyday
P-Town Brave – The logjam in the top of the order is because of Gimper Jones. He refuses to bat cleanup because he wants to maximize plate appearances. (I guess he cares more about himself than the team.) Therefore he’s in the 3-hole rain or shine.. assuming he isn’t out with yet another injury.
MFin04, Bobby Cox had that same kind of thinking you have the last and only time Schafer has lead off and look what happened. 0-4 or 0-5 with 3 strikeouts including one to leadoff the game. As poorly suited as Escobar is at leading off since he swings at the first pitch, I’d much rather see him there over Schafer (atleast Esco puts the ball in play even if it is on the first pitch instead of swinging as hard as he can to try to kill the ball and strikeout like Schafer). And I also wouldn’t mind seeing Jermaine Dye come back to Atlanta and ship Francouer out. Frenchy has one of the biggest egos and maybe the worst attitude I’ve ever seen put on a Braves uniform.
May 21st, 20094:16 pm
RHR no you are not. Reminds me of a small kid trying to say something to make his grandparents think he is cute.
Take out Kelly and the 4:12 statement is fine
Like I said before, my thoughts on options for the leadoff spot:
Thats all before going back to Kelly…
Once again, why the heck would they want to mess w/ Kelly again after him getting comfortable down in the order and looking like he’s gonna start hitting great again?! There’s really no reason for it!
May 21st, 20094:17 pm
Macon Braves Looked at the page source from the link you tried to do and you left out the href=URL part. You only put lesthan a greaterthan without the href=www.google.com part.
you do have yourself a good point DAP i just hate to see them trade a few studs away for an aging dye but its a risk that happens with every trade i guess
If you bat Esco leadoff, you take away from his strength of driving in runners in scoring position. I agree that Esco is a better option at leadoff then Schafer. BUT Esco’s numbers down in the order might be more beneficial to the team. It also is possible that Schafer could be a goood leadoff hitter with Kotchman and Chipper behind him.
May 21st, 2009
Apparently Peavy would rather play for Ozzie than Cox! The man has spoken and its time to accept it Cox lovers.
…I’d rather Peavy play for Ozzie than Bobby, too!
May 21st, 20094:19 pm
For those that complain Yunel hits into too many dps to hit 2nd, if Yunel was batting 5th or 6th you would see even more DPs b/c he would be hitting behind Mac and GA. Two slow guys on the bases in front of a guy that hits into double plays. Not good. Leave Yunel in the 1 or 2 hole.
I say bat Yunel leadoff and Kotch 2nd like the other night, or let Schafer get the chance and keep Yunel 2nd.
Schafer is 2 for 5 with a double batting first in the order. I realize its a small sample size…but it isnt 0 for 5!
May 21st, 20094:20 pm
Actually I had already stated that Schafer went 2 for 5 against the Astros in his only game leading off, yes with 3 K’s…
I do however agree w/ your assessment on Francoeur…doesn’t even look like he cares anymore to be completely honest.
cvbraves – Me too! Seeing that my favorite Escobar was part of that rumored trade.
May 21st, 20094:22 pm
Eric from MO, your speculation (which is all it is), is not more on base or off base than mine.
For starters? Lowe is a Boras client (Yikes!), so the dude was gonna sign with Atlanta because we made the highest offer. Period. It’s how Boras operates.
But why assume that the rotation would stink? I don’t care how bad AAA pitching is. If you’re striking out WAY more guys than IP and have an ERA under 2.00 in AAA, odds are, you are going to do OK up here.
But I’ll give you, that based on speculation WHEN THEY TRADED for Vazquez, it might have been the right move.
When did I ever say that I don’t like Vazquez? I wouldn’t want him pitching a 1-game playoff to make or break a post-season birth. Neither would Ozzie.
You need to get over the fact that you are wrong about what I think about Vazquez. NEVER said I didn’t like him. I have voiced that I didn’t like the trade. But have NEVER stated that I don’t like him. Shall I repeat it for you, since I’m pretty sure we’ve had this conversation before. I will just for good measure. Try and get it to sink in this time.
I’VE NEVER STATED THAT I DON’T LIKE VAZQUEZ!!!!</strong.
What do you want me to do or type?
You seem pretty sure that Vazquez won’t falter a little bit. Why? What in his track record (other than your hunch) shows that he’s gonna keep his ERA where it is. He’s always been a high strikeout guy. Always pitched a lot of innings. So don’t use the K/BB ratio and how many innings he’s piled up.
What about his history (it’s a long one) shows that he’s gonna dominate all year? Just asking a question.
Bobby decided to juggle the line-up again tonight. Hey, don’t question the guy…we scored 12 lastnight. Here’s what he came up with:
1. Keith Lockhart—- 2nd
2. Casey Stengal—– 1st
3. Chipper Jones—– 3rd
4. Martin Short—— Prado
5. Metamucil——— Thursday
6. Jeff Francoeur—- Strong Safety
7. Pedro Cerrano—– LF
8. Animal———— Drums
9. Kris Medlen——- Platoon
If Moylan’s comments really make you smile, I know a joke that will roll you over laughing: Moylan’s ERA.
Here would be the two scenarios for tonight:
Which does everyone prefer?
Jeff321: Also agree on Escobar…think he’s one of the best and getting better.
May 21st, 20094:23 pm
Like I said, it’s 1) Esco, then 2) Kelly. They are our best (and really only) good options to hit leadoff.
Diory Hernandez? Gimme a break. I’d bat Schafer leadoff before I even thought of giving him an at-bat in the leadoff position.
Although, I’m not quite sure why I’m even engaging myself in this discussion because the effect of changing around the lineup is VERY minimal, at best. That said, Schafer should continue to hit eigth until he demonstrates the ability to hit baseballs.
May 21st, 20094:24 pm
Nah. Vazquez has been better than Lowe virtually all season. Apart from the first game.
Is that Pedro Cerrano pre or post Buddah? Because if its pre, that is one bad man!
May 21st, 20094:25 pm
hillbilly, that actually made me laugh. That is a rarity with some of the shots at comedy on here.
Holy crap!!! Twins are beating White Sox 20-0 in 7th or is that the Vikings over the Bears?
P-Town Brave: For tonight (and maybe a couple more weeks), I’ll take Option A.
May 21st, 20094:27 pm
I logged on today, and after seen the stats DOB posted (I hadn’t looked at the pitching numbers for a while), realized that Vazquez had surpassed Lowe in ERA. Decided to give Vazquez props since I’ve been down on that trade since the get go. (keep in mind… still good mood).
Then Eric wants to start a pizzing contest, telling me what I think of Vazquez, apparently unwilling to accept my quasi-apology to Vazquez and those that stood by him all winter.
So let it state for the record, that I’m now in a ranting mood. You can all thank Eric for that. LOL! Well done my friend.
I’ll be completely honest here: I would love to see this-
1. Shafer(cf)- Finally starting to put the ball in play and will see more to hit at the top
2. Prado(2b)- I’ve liked him since his first day up in the majors. The boy can swing a bat and play anywhere in the field
3. Escobar(ss)- Always hits the ball hard and loves being up with guys in scoring position
4. Chipper(3b)- I know he doesn’t like clean up, but between Escobar and McCann won’t hurt anybody
5. McCann(c)- where he belongs
6. Kotch(1b)- Good chance to get some AB’s with men on
7. Franceour(rf)- can’t bat hime 8th or he will never see a fastball for a strike (not that he’d swing at it anyway)
8. Diaz/Anderson(lf)- depends on pitching match up.
Fron Jayson StarK:
Even if they don’t acquire Jake Peavy, the White Sox are apparently “open for business.” Stark takes that to mean names such as Jermaine Dye, Jim Thome, Paul Konerko, Octavio Dotel, and A.J. Pierzynski could hit the market.
Indians GM Mark Shapiro seems to be leaning toward hanging on to Cliff Lee for now. Shapiro may look to add pitching by trading Mark DeRosa or an outfielder. Could that mean Grady Sizemore’s days are numbered in Cleveland?
May 21st, 20094:28 pm
That lineup is actually quite intriguing…I kinda like the thought of Yunel hitting 3 in between Martin and Chipper.
May 21st, 20094:29 pm
PWH: Could NOT agree more. Nothing at all against Lowe, but take away literally two bad INNINGS (a 5 runner and a 6 runner) and Vasquez has been right up there with Johan and JJ for best pitcher in the NL.
Steve – do you think Escobar is better suited down in the lineup if we had a leadoff hitter? KJ as well?
Jeff321, do you really believe Chipper cares more about himself than the team? Really??? Do you not remember him moving to LF so Vinny could come and play 3rd base? That wasn’t for his sake; that was for the team’s sake. How many times has he deferred money so the team could sign a free agent? Answer these questions and then tell me you really believe Chipper cares more about Chipper than the Braves. Think, man.
yeah, the white sox need pitching.
I wonder if Francoeur ever regrets his decision to be a professional baseball player instead of a football player…
In two years, when he is out of baseball, I bet he will. Then maybe he can go back and play safety for Clemson and then try to get in the NFL.
May 21st, 20094:30 pm
IF Yunel is going to work the count, then I like him at leadoff. Kotchman can double him in if he gets on, then you got CHipper (they’ll pitch around him) B-Mac, and Garrett Anderson
P-Town- I am dead serious. Putting Yunel in the 3 hole will let him utilize that gap power even more.
^^^ This. ^^^
sorry Garret Anderson (one T only)
May 21st, 20094:31 pm
I don’t want Yunel working the count. He knows what he wants to hit, he rips and 90% of the time hits it hard. Put him in the lineup with a chance to hit with men on every time he’s up
May 21st, 20094:32 pm
Division winning lineup…
F. Alou – CF
F. Milan – 2b
H. AAron – RF
O. Cebeda – 1B
R. Carty – LF
C. Boyer – 3B
H. King – C
S. Jackson – SS
P. Niekro – P
May 21st, 20094:33 pm
wheelz007 – You made my day with the 90’s line-up especially the Lemmer in the eight hole.
Back to 2009 – the righty in the one hole followed by a lefty seemed to ignite us and lasted one night. Last night’s lefty occasioned a major line-up change but Esco followed by Kotchman seemed to work well – but it’s back to righty tonight.
Good luck CM!
Wes and P-Town you know you are crazy if you suggest Schafer batting leadoff right?
May 21st, 20094:34 pm
Hey guys remember next Monday is Memorial Day, this is not for celebration is for:……
a day of reflection and remembrance. It is a day to remember all of our Fallen Heroes from all of the wars. It is a day to think about the families that will forever grieve for their lost loved one. It is a day to be thankful to those who have served and made the ultimate sacrifice. They fought and died to win the freedom and democracy that we Americans cherish so dearly. They also fought and died to bring that same freedom and democracy to the people of other countries as well.
With this words i want to salute and said Thanks you to all who served in the Armed Force in this Blog.
P-Town Brave, I asked Bobby if it was Pre- or Post- Cerrano and his answer was:
“Kid’s been hitting the ball hard, but everyting’s just right at somebody. The weather sure is nice. BINGO!” Then he turned around and yelled at Medlen and Schafer who were walking across the infield, “Get off my lawn!”
May 21st, 20094:35 pm
“Hey guys, we gotta convince Peavy to come here. So let’s make a good show. Let’s play well. Let’s not lose by, I don’t know, 20 runs. HAHAHA that’d be crazy right?”
Why? Because he’s the only member of the Braves since ‘03 that can run under a 5.0 40? K’s have gone down. Infront of a Prado, Esco and Chipper he will see a whole hell of a lot more to hit than he does batthing in front of the pitcher or Francoeur.
Renegator – I seriously think he should explore something other than baseball while he’s still (barely) young enough, but he’s going to have to find his “explosive” side. Seems he’s lost any of that…. he may have had.
and as i said yesterday, the argument can be made that he has more power potential than anyone on the braves except for chipper and mccann. its worth looking into for a small price. (DAP)
gotta disagree with that one big time. He had three years in double figures in two of the best hitting parks in baseball. That is not likely to mean he’s gonna hit more than a dozen in Atlanta. probably not even that. No way to be sure beforehand of course, but his power totals in other parks than texas and Chitown are pretty paltry. I definitely would not give up anything worth having for the guy, especially any promising pitching which is what Cleveland seems to be looking for. Just not worth it IMO. .240 with 2 out RISP and .250 late & close are nothing to write home about.
makin the trip from north al to the ted this weekend for sat and sun any suggestions as to where to dine and hang while im in town
Would a deal with the Red Sox be out of the realm of: KJ and Frenchy for a sign and trade of Bay. Lowrie and Pedroia are hurt and I think Frenchy would hit good in the 8 or 9 hole of their lineup? Just a thought, but since Bay is a free agent we would have to agree to a deal to make trade not just a rental.
May 21st, 20094:36 pm
Jersey Gil, thanks for putting it in perspective, bud.
May 21st, 20094:37 pm
“Nah. Vazquez has been better than Lowe virtually all season. Apart from the first game.” PWHjort
No. You’re wrong. But barely. Lowe has made 9 starts. Allowed 2 runs or less in 6 of them. One of those starts was the rain shortened start where he went 3 innings. Allowing 0 runs once. 1 run once. 4 runs or more twice (4 once, and 6 once).
Vazquez has made 8 starts, and allowed 2 or less runs 4 times. 0 runs once. 1 run once. 4 or more runs twice (5 once and 6 once).
Vazquez has gone at least 6 innings in all of his starts. 7 or more innings 4 times. Lowe has had 3 starts of less than 6 innings. The rain shortened start. And two other starts where he went 5 innings – which were the two starts that he gave up 4 and 6 runs respectively.
So Vazquez has gone deeper more often. But Lowe has given up 2 runs or less in 2/3 of his starts. While Vazquez has done it in 1/2 of his starts.
It’s so close that it’s probably not worth arguing over. But Lowe has given us (and our weak offense) a better shot at winning on a regular basis by allowing 2 runs or less more often.
Just my opinion I guess, but don’t let those silly numbers get in the way.
It seems like MFin has gotten under your skin quite badly, overt the last few days. I used to get annoyed with him too. Think of him as a kid who has nothing better to do and just keeps flipping from topic to topic. Frankly I think he just reads stuff somewhere else and posts it – never anything original or useful. Right now he is just noise to me – skip all his posts.
If only a dream could become reality, that would be it!
i know frenchy has been strugglin the last two week but it is maginfied because of last year. the guy still has 21 rbis second on the team, 37 hits third on the team and his 2 homers are tied for second so it aint as bad as it is being portrayed
May 21st, 20094:38 pm
thanx for the pitching previews on the other blog.
L-Town if you think the Sox are trading Bay for anything, you’re nuts.
Didn’t Javy only go 5 last night?
May 21st, 20094:39 pm
typo 3 homers
His 2 homers tied for 2nd on the team…..LMAO!
You should do stand-up!
N8 your posts speak for themselves that you dont like Vazquez. As for Lowe not coming here, did you see how many other FA jolted from the Braves this offseason. I believe AJ was a Boras agent and he accepted less money with the Braves once upon a time. So you are off base right there. The player is the one who signs the contract. As for him faltering, whos been right so far? Last year he was in a pitchers park and he isnt a AL pitcher. Odd Im the one who has been right so far and yet Im the one off base. Whatever!
cphizzle – Struggling the last two WEEKS?????
How about: struggling for the last two and a half YEARS.
May 21st, 20094:42 pm
thats fine if you disagree….its why i said its arguable. i really do think the only two guys on the braves, other than chipper and mac that MIGHT be able out power (as far as homeruns) derosa is escobar and kelly. i think he right there in that power-category. thats why i said it.
keep in mind that during his atlanta years, if you figure out how many homers he was on pace for in a full season worth of at bats, he would have had several years of double digit homers in atlanta.
N8 no one cares if your in a ranting mood. Your a moron and are rarely right.
easy now fellas he had a down right horrible years last year but his productions hasnt been as bad this year as my fellow bloggers have said. all im sayin is his production this year is not that far off from everybody else on the team so lets lighten up and see what happens
KJ and Francoeur for Jason friggin’ Bay??????
…and I’m pullin’ for him as hard as the next guy, but I can also read his body language. It says to me… …I’m lumbering, slow, struggling, fighting it, and running out of adjectives…
Escobar in front of Kotchman didn’t necessarily “work” the other day.
Lead-off inning – ground out
Batted 5th with runners on 1st and 2nd- singled to load the bases
Lead-off inning – ground out
Batted 3rd in inning – strike out
Batted 4th in inning – HBP
May 21st, 20094:43 pm
Well Im going golfing and drinking. Enjoy your ranting N8!
Macon Braves (RIP)
Jeff321–Thanks for the help, I’ll get it one day. I guess just copying and pasting like you said will be the way for me to go.
Pierson–You ain’t lying about that frustration!!
Fleming–I put the herf= and all in. Copied it just like Jeff showed it. Guess I just got a lot more to learn with this WordPress deal. Hey, maybe AJC can send us to the same training DOB went too?…Or not I guess
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