Francoeur saga continues, for now

  If it seems like we’ve been down this Jeff Francoeur road before and flogged this horse to its death, well, it’s probably because we have, or at least come close. But at a certain point, the numbers just can’t be avoided, dismissed, or explained away.
  Sooner or later, and I’d think sooner than later, the Braves right fielder is going to have to produce better statistics for an extended period, or the Braves are probably going to have to go in another direction.
  But that probably goes without saying, right? I mean, it’s not jumping to any rash conclusions to say the Braves will have to get more at some point this season than they’re getting now from Francoeur, or than they got from him last season, or his stay in Atlanta’s lineup won’t continue in perpetuity.
  Does he get more scrutiny than others? Sure. Because the bar was raised so high by his first half-season performance in 2005, and by all of us in the media, and by fans who bought thousands of jerseys, and by Delta making him a pitchman, and Sports Illustrated dubbing him “The Natural” two months into his career.
When the ascendance is so sensational, the fall can be a lot harder, a lot tougher.
  So where are we, exactly, with Francoeur? Is this “just a little slump,” as he told me on Sunday, when he talked about how everyone goes through these periods during a season?
  Is it something significantly bigger, as he indicated to our own Jeff Schultz yesterday, when Francoeur said Texas hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo had called him to ask what happened and Francoeur realized the Rangers coach was right, and that in the face of his first slump of the season he’d quickly abandoned all the things Francoeur worked on with the Rangers hitting guru this offseason?
  Or, is it even bigger than that? By that I mean, is there something that’s going to hold Francoeur back, something that will make it impossible for him to ever approach the level of stardom so many of us (prematurely) predicted for him after he tore up major league pitching and charmed crowds media like with his charisma and athleticism during those heady first months in The Show?
  It’s still too early to know where this is going, regardless of what some people might think. You or I might have a good idea, might believe what we believe and presume to know, but we don’t. Not really.
I mean, he’s still only 25, so it’s not as if the dye has already been cast.
   But here’s what we do know: After hitting .287 with seven extra-base hits (three homers) and 16 RBI in his first 22 games, Francoeur is 11-for-62 (.177) in his past 16 games with two doubles, three RBI and a .197 on-base percentage and .210 slugging percentage. He has one walk (12 strikeouts) in that span.
  For the season, he’s hitting .252 with a .272 OBP (third-worst among NL regulars) and a .371 slugging percentage. And he’s hit .190 (19-for-100) against right-handed pitchers, also the third-worst mark among league regulars).
  But let’s go bigger picture. Much bigger picture.

  After arriving from Double-A in July 2005, Francoeur hit a stunning .379 with 10 home runs and 30 RBI in his first 33 games, posting a .394 OBP and .734 slugging percentage in that stretch, despite not walking once in 124 at-bats.
  Here’s what he’s done in 554 games and 2,174 at-bats since that point, beginning Aug. 21, 2005:
  Francoeur has hit .260 with 66 homers, 313 RBI, 120 walks, 426 strikeouts, 8 steals (in 19 attempts), and grounded into 54 double plays. He has produced a .304 OBP and .412 slugging percentage (.716 OPS) in 554 games.
 I didn’t have much time this afternoon, but I tried to come up with someone even remotely similar in recent years, someone who made a big splash in his initial time in the majors but has fallen short of expecations since.
  You all can probably think of some better comparisons, but here’s one that came to mind: Austin Kearns.
  Kearns hit .328 with seven homers, 23 RBI and a .448 OBP and .569 slugging percentage in his first 34 games in the majors in 2002. Since then, he’s hit .255 with 98 homers, 397 RBI in 760 games, with a .350 OBP and .428 slugging percentage.
  Kearns probably didn’t have the raw power of Francoeur, never hit 29 homers like Francoeur did in 2006, never won a Gold Glove like Francoeur did in 2007. But he did have a lot more walks, fewer strikeouts, a higher OBP than Frenchy.
  Kearns hit 15 or more homers four times, with a high of 24 in 2006, when he had a .363 OBP and .467 slugging percentage with Cincy and Washington, at age 26.
  He fell off sharply after that, totaling 23 homers and 106 RBI in 900 at-bats over the 2007-2008 seasons, his average falling to .217 with a .311 OBP and .316 slugging percentage in a 86 games in 2008.
  Kearns is hitting .213 with three homers and 15 RBI in 32 games for the Nationals this season.
  What does he have to do with Francoeur? Maybe nothing. But he came to mind.
  Kearns finished third in the NL Rookie of the Year balloting in 2002 at age 22, and Francoeur finished third in the NL Rookie of the Year balloting in 2005, at 21.
  The Francoeur story is still being written. He’s 25. But unless he gets things turned around, you can’t help but wonder how many more chapters will be written in his hometown, where for a while it sure seemed like Francoeur was destined to be the next Golden Boy, the next Chipper Jones.
  That doesn’t seem nearly as likely these days.
  Despite his erosion in power numbers after his 29-homer season in 2006 (to 19 homers in 2007), Francoeur still had a solid .283 average with 59 homers, 229 RBI and a .795 OPS in his first 357 games in the majors, through Aug. 20, 2007.
  In 230 games since then, since Aug. 21, 2007, he’s hit .240 with 17 homers 114 RBI and a .649 OPS, including a .290 on-base percentage. That’s 230 games.
  And in his past 162 games, he’s hit .232 with 11 homers, 70 RBI and a .285 OBP and .338 slugging percentage.
 ♣ Punchless outfield: Meanwhile, with rookie Jordan Schafer in center and the G. Anderson/Diaz combo failing to do much (especially against right-handers) in left field, the Braves are right back at the bottom of the majors in power-hitting and run production.
  After ranking dead last in the majors with 27 homers and a .367 slugging percentage in 2008, Braves outfielders are tied for last in the majors with seven homers so far this season, and are dead last again in slugging (.350).
  Among NL teams, only the Marlins (16) have fewer doubles than Braves outfielders (19), and obviously no team in the majors has as few stolen bases (two) as the Braves do from their outfielders.
  As for left field, some have suggested a platoon of Anderson and Diaz. Problem with that is, neither of them is hitting right-handers very well, though Diaz is certainly doing better in that area than Anderson.
Anderson is 8-for-24 (.333) with three doubles and five RBI and an .818 OPS vs. righties, but just 10-for-47 (.213) with three RBI and a .514 OPS vs. lefties.
  Diaz is 9-for-30 (.300) with a double, five RBI and a .722 OPS vs. lefties, and 9-for-39 (.231) against righties, though he has five extra-base hits (two homers) and .789 OPS vs. righties (wasn’t he supposed to be the lefty-killer?)

♣ Also struggling vs. righties: Kelly Johnson’s odd dichotomy continues. The lefty hitter is 11-for-35 (.314) with two homers and a .971 OPS against lefty pitchers, but 17-for-80 (.213) with one homer and a .584 OPS vs. righties.
 As a leadoff hitter, Johnson is 18-for-94 (.191) with a .262 OBP. Omar Infante is 22-for-60 (.367) with a .409 OBP hitting leadoff, and no other Brave has more than five at-bats in the role.

 ♣ Chipper, Mac make top 50: Chipper Jones came in at No. 10 and Brian McCann was No. 50 in the just-released Sporting News’ list of 50 greatest players in baseball today, as determined by a panel of 100 Hall of Fame players, major award winners and other baseball personalities.
  Not surprisingly, Albert Pujols topped the list. Here it is, in full:

1. Albert Pujols, Cardinals
2. Alex Rodriguez, Yankees
3. Johan Santana, Mets
4. Manny Ramirez, Dodgers
5. Hanley Ramirez, Marlins
6. Chase Utley, Phillies
7. Roy Halladay, Blue Jays
8. Derek Jeter, Yankees
9. Mariano Rivera, Yankees
10. Chipper Jones, Braves
11. Ryan Howard, Phillies
12. Grady Sizemore, Indians
13. David Wright, Mets
14. Justin Morneau, Twins
15. Jimmy Rollins, Phillies
16. Josh Beckett, Red Sox
17. Mark Teixeira, Yankees
18. Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox
19. Tim Lincecum, Giants
20. Evan Longoria, Rays
21. Lance Berkman, Astros
22. Jose Reyes, Mets
23. Carlos Beltran, Mets
24. Ian Kinsler, Rangers
25. Zack Greinke, Royals
26. Josh Hamilton, Rangers
27. Alfonso Soriano, Cubs
28. Miguel Cabrera, Tigers
29. CC Sabathia, Yankees
30. Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners
31. Brandon Webb, Diamondbacks
32. Ryan Braun, Brewers
33. Dan Haren, Diamondbacks
34. Francisco Rodriguez, Mets
35. Matt Holliday, A’s
36. Kevin Youkilis, Red Sox
37. Vladimir Guerrero, Angels
38. Jake Peavy, Padres
39. Joe Mauer, Twins
40. Carlos Quentin, White Sox
41. Jason Bay, Red Sox
42. Chad Billingsley, Dodgers
43. Cliff Lee, Indians
44. Torii Hunter, Angels
45. Victor Martinez, Indians
46. Roy Oswalt, Astros
47. Carlos Delgado, Mets
48. Carlos Zambrano, Cubs
49. Cole Hamels, Phillies
50. Brian McCann, Braves

 ♣ Good deeds: Forty children from the Charles R. Drew Charter School and the Gresham Park Baseball and Softball Association will attend tonight’s game courtesy of the Major League Baseball Players Trust’s “Buses for Baseball” program.
  Javier Vazquez, Francoeur, Derek Lowe, Brian McCann and David Ross are planning to meet with the kids, who’ll get free tickets, food and beverages, and souvenirs. It will be the first major league game that many of the kids have attended.

♣ Brett blows fuse: Royals legend George Brett still lives in Kansas City, and has gotten a little tired of hearing criticism of the team and its managers in recent years. Check out this video of him saying he’s, well, had enough.

  OK, gotta get to the ballpark. Anyone see the series premiere of Glee last night on Fox? I was pleasantly surprised. Very well done.

“Hold On, Hold On” by Neko Case

The most tender place in my heart is for strangers
I know it’s unkind but my own blood is much too dangerous
Hangin’ round the ceiling half the time
Hangin’ round the ceiling half the time

Compared to some I’ve been around
But I really tried so hard
That echo chorus lied to me with its
“Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on”

In the end I was the mean girl
Or somebody’s in-between girl
Now it’s the devil I love
And that’s as funny as real love

I leave the party at three a.m.
Alone, thank God
With a valium from the bride
It’s the devil I love
And that’s as funny as real love
And that’s as real as true love

That echo chorus lied to me with its
“Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on”

That echo chorus lied to me with its
“Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on”

1,801 comments Add your comment

Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)

May 20th, 2009
2:42 pm

Thanks for the blog, DOB.

So when you talk about “another direction” with Frenchy, might that mean another stint in the minors and seeing if Brandon Jones or Gorkys Hernandez could at least tread water in RF until a deal is made or Heyward is ready?

Steve from OH

May 20th, 2009
2:44 pm

From the last blog…

Here is the full explanation of fangraph’s value section:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/#winvalues

And here is one on wOBA:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-joy-of-woba/

Cameron

May 20th, 2009
2:48 pm

DOB:

In the paragraph about Diaz/Anderson’s inabiliites to hit lefties, you got lefties and righties’ stats mixed up.

Will you find out the health status of Kawakami’s shoulder?

Thanks.

Mitchie-san

May 20th, 2009
2:48 pm

Great blog, DOB. Thanks.

JJ

May 20th, 2009
2:49 pm

Good deal DOB. And the talked me into watching Glee last night (it was the Journy cover that did it) and we were also pleasantly surprised. Something to watch over the summer.

JJ

May 20th, 2009
2:49 pm

Dang it. Supposed to say “the wife talked me into it”.

Steve from OH

May 20th, 2009
2:50 pm

Dave, if you get an opportunity, would you ask Frank about Freddie Freeman? He was pulled from a game several days ago and hasn’t played since. Sorry to ask, but I’m curious.

Thanks.

Steve from OH

May 20th, 2009
2:51 pm

Uh, that would be the health status of Freddie….

flange1

May 20th, 2009
2:52 pm

Thanks Steve!

Steve from OH

May 20th, 2009
2:53 pm

Speaking of minor leaguers, Myrtle just finished their game today…Heyward 3-4 with a 2B, C. Johnson 2-4. Erik Cordier threw 4 innings, giving up 2ER (5 runs) on 6H, 3BB and 3K.

Tomahawk210

May 20th, 2009
2:54 pm

Nothing like hearing the same ole crap over and over again…why no mention of a good Bravos win last night? How about some positives, not the same ole’ Francoeur’s numbers or KJ numbers or Schafer and the rest of the outfield not hitting for power. Did we really expect Schafer to come in and hit homers? Or Anderson to be a power hitter again? Hey how about the fact that when Cox moved the line-up around and hit KJ 6th like so many of us suggested for almost a year and a half now he went 3-4. Nope same ole’ negative crap with the same stats over and over and over again. I’m beginning to think this should be called Braves Bashing Blog.

Steve from OH

May 20th, 2009
2:54 pm

No prob, flange! Least I can do…

Macon Braves (RIP)

May 20th, 2009
2:56 pm

Piedmont—HAHA, Hernandez is ready (20 year old) and should be rushed up from AA ball, but Heyward (19 year old) isn’t ready? Good grief, neither one of them is ready!

Braves-Nationdotcom

May 20th, 2009
2:57 pm

we investigated something similar just yesterday:

http://www.braves-nation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15601

brent a.

May 20th, 2009
2:58 pm

Congrats to the Braves on a solid win, last night.

They’d win more often if they had a better right-fielder. ;)

kirkinga

May 20th, 2009
3:00 pm

Thanks Steve from OH, though I’m not a Dunn fanatic and don’t see him as an overall upgrade at the position.

At least the guy can hit a walk off homerun or draw a walk pretty easily. And if the team is up late in a game, pull him out of the field. The guy can get you a lead and then you take him out at the appropriate time.

Geez, anyone can pick just about any everyday player and make that kind of claim. Anyone at bat has such a chance.It’s pure fantasy. Feels good, helps relieve the stress you might be feeling over the season, but it’s essential blog crack.

In fact, I think this demonstrates how Adam Dunn is like crack cocaine. Once you get a hit of him, you just can’t put that pipe down. You just keep smoking and smoking, and before you know it you’re claiming he can perform all sorts of wonders! :)

Fleming

May 20th, 2009
3:00 pm

Blog Ref – Does the ever insistent posting of Frenchy bashing also apply to DOB. Just wondering cause I know he has a job to do to get page hits.

Steve from OH

May 20th, 2009
3:01 pm

Kirk–I think he’d be a HUGE upgrade over what we have right now. And it isn’t even close.

MFin04 (Time to Get Rid of Bennett, Buddy and Cox!)

May 20th, 2009
3:02 pm

I don’t see David Ortiz on the list. Seems a little biased towards his slump right now. I can’t stand the Red Sox or the Yankees….but it is ridiculous to see that he didnt make the list.

And is Jeter the most overrated player in the Majors? I think he might be!

timmy

May 20th, 2009
3:03 pm

Greatest T-shirt ever.

http://www.talkingchop.com/2009/5/20/880192/t-shirt-contest-prize-chipper

Failcoeur!

I’m simply not going back to Turner Field until he’s no longer employed by the Braves. I just refuse to pay major league money to see Double-A talent. I think that’s a stand all true Braves fans should make.

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:04 pm

So how long do we give Francoeur before we throw our hands up and say he’s done?

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:05 pm

Should we wait until the end of the season to see the final results?

chc4

May 20th, 2009
3:05 pm

This Francoeur talk has gotten so old. Does anyone still think he’s a solid starting corner OF? Not sure how they could. Cox is loyal to his guys… I get that. But at some point I really hope Wren & company do something b/c the guy is a rally killer. Has been for the past season +. At some point we’ve got to move on.

Bobby's Cox

May 20th, 2009
3:05 pm

Nice blog DOB…always nice hearing your opinion on popular blog topics.

How about we let Rudy play with Jeff on a full time basis and swap right fielders with Texas? Nelson Cruz is years ahead of Jeff and has hit a mild slump himself as of late…i see a window of opportunity…if it actually exists in the real world, now that’s the question…

McFann :Ô:

May 20th, 2009
3:06 pm

Thanks for the new Blog, Chief!

And thanks for that 50 Great Players list–some really good names, there (like #50…I hear he’s pretty dang good). But wow–Jose Reyes ahead of the amazing Carlos Betran? Dude…guess no umpires were involved in the making of this list…

And speaking of umpires, ugh…I think Tim Tschida’s gonna be behind the plate tonight. Least now someone else will get the call on balls hit down the lines tonight, though…

Bobby's Cox

May 20th, 2009
3:06 pm

N8, nice post at 1:38 on the last blog.

cabravesfan

May 20th, 2009
3:07 pm

Tom-

didn’t think you’d have an accent- my mom’s from upstate and has never sounded like a new yorker either ;)

Dr Hoo

May 20th, 2009
3:08 pm

I think Francouer will be out of baseball in a year or two tops. He simply doesn’t adjust (Andruw redux), refuses to hit situationally, and cannot generate power the way he is being pitched. He also has surprisingly little speed and runs the bases poorly. That said, if the Braves want any value for him, trade him now. He has a Gold Glove in right field, has a great throwing arm, is young, and in the minds of prospective trade partners should still have considerable upside. Surely there must be someone out there thinking that if they just get him together with their hitting coach he can become an offensive star to match his defensive stature in RF? Get a solid prospect for him and trade a young pitcher for a power bat from one of the teams slipping out of contention (I would love to get Matt Holliday). Otherwise this team is going nowhere and has wasted the offseason moves that did work.

Steve from OH

May 20th, 2009
3:09 pm

getnathan–we should not worry about it any longer. The blog has gone through it ad nauseum and it’s getting old. Let the front office worry about it.

Bobby's Cox

May 20th, 2009
3:09 pm

kirkinga, not sure why u didn’t catch my sarcasm from the last blog…Our favorite, cheaper alternatives (because of the low attendance of course) to KJ are Infante and Prado, and the cheaper alternative to Jeff is Infante (if in fact he can play RF). Well, I wrote it as sarcastic, but whether or not i meant it that way….

RHR

May 20th, 2009
3:09 pm

DOB, I’m curious. – For the season, he’s hitting .252 with a .272 OBP (third-worst among NL regulars) and a .371 slugging percentage. And he’s hit .190 (19-for-100) against right-handed pitchers, also the third-worst mark among league regulars). –

Who are numbers 1 and 2?

Neko Case is gorgeous. My mom and daughter are both stunning redheads, if I do say so myself. :)

Glee is a tv show? Huh. I’ve been seeing a lot of buzz online about it but haven’t clicked any of the stories so I didn’t know what it was.

Not impressed with that 50 list but good to see Chipper in ahead of David Wright at least. :lol:

Bobby's Cox

May 20th, 2009
3:10 pm

So how long do we give Francoeur before we throw our hands up and say he’s done?

About negative 8 months…

McFann :Ô:

May 20th, 2009
3:10 pm

Anybody else extremely creeped-out by the advertisement with the yellow tooth that pops up on here sometimes? Dangit…I can’t even look at that thing!

cabravesfan

May 20th, 2009
3:10 pm

McFann-

Least now someone else will get the call on balls hit down the lines tonight, though…

I really though Mac was going to lose it at Tschida after that call last night…he really looked like he wanted to say something. Hopefully realized he’d have to play nice so Javy won’t get s*rewed tonight…ahh, the life of a catcher!

beachcomber

May 20th, 2009
3:10 pm

Have to share something with my fellow bloggers. At my Rotary club today hearing two women rattle on about “saving” downtown Clearwater, Florida – an impossible task given the dynamics of this burg.

One of the women casually mentions her husband is a pro baseball player and in the audience of 100 or so. It is none other than CHRIS WOODWARD. And he is running the slide projector for his wife’s presentation. The boy has found his level of competence.

Fred

May 20th, 2009
3:11 pm

N8, From the last blog, no worries, I obviously didn’t catch the sarcasm. This pesky work thing sometimes distracts me from the blog. Thanks for not slamming me!

Derek

May 20th, 2009
3:11 pm

Steve from OH is right. I usually agree with Kirknga, but you are way off on this one man.

beekay

May 20th, 2009
3:12 pm

DOB
Was Frenchy offered a contract extension the same time that BMAC was?

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:12 pm

Steve from OH —

Yeah ultimately it is Frank Wren’s and Bobby Cox’s worry, but it’s more fun for us because we can speculate and make up trades for him that may never happen, but could lol

Like I’ve been saying all along…
Francoeur, Redmond (I take Medlen back), and Jeff Locke for Jermaine Dye and Matt Thornton

RHR

May 20th, 2009
3:13 pm

Yes McFann, that’s just gross.

cabraves – I can’t look at the JF pic without cracking up now.

Good story, beachcomber.

pryguy

May 20th, 2009
3:14 pm

Quality stuff DOB. Does anyone think TP can go work with other hitters from other teams if he doesn’t think the Braves hitters are qualified to receive his teachings? Certainly Francouer has taken this route. It’s a two way street.

Steve from OH

May 20th, 2009
3:14 pm

No, it’s not fun to hear how much he sucks every 5 minutes. It’s ok to go on the record with it, but leave it at that. Everyone will still remeber how you feel without having to remind them every 5 minutes.

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:14 pm

I proposed Medlen at first but I think he’s in the category of Hanson and Heyward…untouchable

Steve

May 20th, 2009
3:14 pm

DOB,

OK so let us assume that the outfield struggles continue. Then where does Frank go for help? We can’t afford another rental player for high end prospects!

chc4

May 20th, 2009
3:16 pm

With Heyward tearing up AA, I wonder how soon they might give him a shot. As much as I’d love to see him in the bigs, I hope we don’t rush him.

Pennski

May 20th, 2009
3:16 pm

I’ve always defended Frenchie, but the time has come for him to produce. I think he has it in him, and I’m rooting for him, but the reality is he is struggling and we can’t live off of someones history in the local area…

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:17 pm

I almost feel bad for Frenchy. I just saw “Failcoeur” t-shirts online, and he’s getting ripped on this blog. I KNOW they read these blogs

RHR

May 20th, 2009
3:17 pm

Failcoeur!

That’s pretty funny. My brother has called him FranCan’t for a while now. McCann and FranCant.

I’m simply not going back to Turner Field until he’s no longer employed by the Braves. I just refuse to pay major league money to see Double-A talent. I think that’s a stand all true Braves fans should make.

I never went to see Frenchy play anyway so … true fan of the team that I am, I’ll keep going when I can.

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:18 pm

Ok here’s another proposal

Jeff Francoeur, Jeff Locke, Todd Redmond for Matt Holliday

Derek

May 20th, 2009
3:18 pm

why do my posts never show up?

This is frustrating lol. (Im sure this post will indeed show up)

Jeff Francoeur

May 20th, 2009
3:19 pm

DOB, we are no longer speaking… and Tim Hudson is looking for you.

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:19 pm

…and a player to be named later. I know Oakland is going to want medlen, and I would not give him up

kirkinga

May 20th, 2009
3:20 pm

Bobby’s Cox, my goof…sorry!

I don’t think whether or not Infante can play RF is really relevant. According to Blog Ref, all you have to do is pick from an approved list or something.

moose knuckle

May 20th, 2009
3:21 pm

I bet frenchy’s new warm up song will be (or should be) “hold on” by wilson phillips.

Fleming

May 20th, 2009
3:21 pm

Since we are proposing trades and the Mets need middle relief, maybe they do a Bennett, Parr. Frenchy trade for Beltran LOL

BREAKING NEWS

May 20th, 2009
3:22 pm

Jeff Francoeur has been traded for a pallet of Tucks Medicated Pads. Although we don’t know at this time which team actually forked over the funds for this soothing transaction.

Eware

May 20th, 2009
3:22 pm

I’m with you on the tooth thing, McFann. It makes me think of popcorn, which I will now never eat again.

beekay

May 20th, 2009
3:22 pm

chc4
Heyward is in high A…he isn’t at double A yet and I would guess is 2 full years away from the bigs

cabravesfan

May 20th, 2009
3:23 pm

RHR-

I blame LT for that one ;) I couldn’t even look at it at all

timmy

May 20th, 2009
3:24 pm

Anyone proposing we trade Jeff needs to understand that at this point he’s making enough money, and pretty much shown he is so lacking in skill that his trade value has to be negative. Meaning we’re probably better off releasing him than trading him. Any package we included him in would have to include more prospects for said trading partner to take on his salary.

Fleming

May 20th, 2009
3:24 pm

chc4 – Heyward is not really tearing up high Single A yet.

LT200

May 20th, 2009
3:24 pm

I think that so much pressure was initially placed on Frenchy with the SI article and all the other press he got that now he presses every chance he gets because he knows it is expected from “The Natural”. It seems to be time for a change of scenery. Maybe a new club will alleviate some of the pressures for him and return some pop to our lineup.

MikeD

May 20th, 2009
3:25 pm

I really think we need to make a move now with Jeff F. Lastnight he was the only starter without a hit…wait well he did get hit. Anyways he is a rally killer and we should bench him or send him down. Why don’t we try Prado in RF, now there is someone who can start a Rally.

timthebrave

May 20th, 2009
3:25 pm

DOB, I think you should have written an article about Jurrjens being lights out this season and the best pitcher we have had for the last 2 seasons. Everyone has talked the frenchy issue to death. I for one have not given up on this team. I think we are going to be in it all year with the pitching we have. I am 4-0 at Braves games after last night. I think that might be the only 4 wins at Turner field. jk. Going to tonights game so here’s hoping to going 5 and 0. Go Braves!!

Fleming

May 20th, 2009
3:25 pm

timmy – That’s why I want to throw Bennett and Parr in with Frenchy to trade for Beltran

Efrim

May 20th, 2009
3:25 pm

Yup, that does it. It’s official. Nick Markakis is clearly the most underrated player in baseball. He is easily one of the Top 50 players in the game.

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:26 pm

Francoeur for hemorrhoid relief…not enough value lol

chc4

May 20th, 2009
3:26 pm

Holliday is a FA in November and a Boras guy. No way we go down that road again.

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:27 pm

Mets are not going to trade Beltran, and Braves aren’t gonna take on that salary. That’s totally unrealistic.

Eware

May 20th, 2009
3:27 pm

I think Frenchy’s main problem is that he got married. If he was single, he could nail a real slumpbuster.

“Go big, or go home.”

Skeezix

May 20th, 2009
3:28 pm

It’s all in Frenchy’s head. I think the Braves should give him 30 more games to work it out and if he hasn’t improved, send him down to the minors or trade him. He was on the right track at the start of the season, but has fallen back to old bad habits. But it isn’t just Frenchy, this entire ‘no hitting’ outfield needs to be re-evaluated.

Fleming

May 20th, 2009
3:28 pm

getnathan – It’s as realistic as some of the other trade proposals we have to read about on this blog

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:29 pm

timthebrave —

The pitching will no doubt keep us IN it, but I want to WIN it. Being it it doesn’t get to the playoffs. And it’s well documented by our fellow bloggers what the Braves need to WIN it.

bravesgirlnc

May 20th, 2009
3:29 pm

Loved Glee! Very fun.
Hate that we are still talking about Frenchy in the negative (although it is all justly deserved). I was so hoping he would turn things around and be a viable part of our offense. Great connection with Kearns though. I think it completely puts things into perspective.

chc4

May 20th, 2009
3:29 pm

No way the Mutts trade Beltran within the division.

McFann :Ô:

May 20th, 2009
3:29 pm

cabravesfan

Yeah, he really looked upset. I wonder if he woulda said something if the Braves woulda been losing. But you’re right–obviously he realized he needed to keep his mouth shut…he does have two career ejections (though that first one, when Joe West threw him out, was kinda weird. Think Joe was having a bad day…)

ahh, the life of a catcher!

Haha, yeah…just ask Estrada about that one!

RHR

Extremely gross…teeth make me squeamish anyway, but that…elgth…

Eware

Ew…I never thought of that. OK, buttered popcorn is gonna gross me out, now!

Chop Chop

May 20th, 2009
3:29 pm

Steve from OH,

I know a lot of criticizing of Adam Dunn’s defense has been done here. I was trying to think of a way to judge it differently. So…here it goes:

If you look at Adam Dunn’s career, he’s never played with a really good defensive centerfielder. If you leave him in left with a really good defensive CF there to cover up some of his abysmal lack of range, Dunn’s not going to kill the team defensively. I’m no GM, but I imagine that one part of a GM’s job is to try to recognize how he can maximize a player’s strengths and minimize his weaknesses. (It’s up to the manager to implement the plan, but the GM has to think along those lines. Otherwise, he’s just giving his manager puzzle pieces that don’t fit.) It’s my belief that Jordan Schafer would have at least partially minimized Dunn’s major weakness as a player. Hell, we’ve got Yunel Escobar at short. He’s a rangy guy who can go into shallow left and catch some flies that Dunn might not be able to get to. Look at the Phils. There’s been a lot of talk about how terrible a fielder Raul Ibanez is, but look who he’s currently playing with at short and center. Rollins and Victorino are top-notch defensive players with speed and range. As long as Ibanez makes the routine plays and doesn’t trip over his feet too often out there, he should be fine. The Phils know he will hit.

I know Dunn is getting paid too much money for his own individual ability, but I’m just trying to figure out if he really would have dragged this club down into the abyss. I kinda get the feeling that wouldn’t have happened.

Infante In Right

May 20th, 2009
3:30 pm

Plenty of time to rag on Jeff later. Bobby said Infante will play today but I hate to sit KJ after a good night last night. Infante can play Center so surely he can play Right! For all the naysayers who will say “He’s played Center but hasn’t played Right…. what are you thinking!?”

Garrett Anderson is playing left. Surely Infante can play Right and not stink it up any worse than Garrett stinks up left!

Sit Jeff. He needs it.

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:30 pm

Bennett and Parr for Beltran. If I was Omar Minaya I would never do that.

timthebrave

May 20th, 2009
3:30 pm

At least schafer and francouer are good fielding outfielders. Both are still young and can improve. Does anyone else get nervous when you see a flyball to garrett anderson?

Braves-Nationdotcom

May 20th, 2009
3:30 pm

The main problem with sending Failcoeur down to the minors is that he’s gonna issue another statement saying how this hurts his relationship with the Atlanta Braves. Jeff will go 9 for 14 in Pearl and they’ll call him back up.

Jonathon

May 20th, 2009
3:31 pm

If Frenchy’s slump lasts much longer, what do they do with him? Bench him? He’s still an above-average glove, but I don’t think he offers much value as a pinch-hitter. I also think he’d be a negative force in the clubhouse. We saw how he reacted to the weekend demotion to AA. I don’t think you can send him to AAA, either. If the Braves give up, he probably gets shipped out immediately, right? The Royals seem like an option, but it’s not going to be for someone like Greinke (b/c I’m not looking to start that thread). So who is the likely replacement? Barton/Gorkys/BJones from Gwinnett? Someone in a trade package? We need some pop in the outfield. Pitching and defense will carry you, but only so far.

McFann :Ô:

May 20th, 2009
3:31 pm

chc4 No way the Mutts trade Beltran within the division.

That’s for sure. And anyway, if the Braves got him, then all of the sudden he’d start getting called out when trying to steal…

Johan

May 20th, 2009
3:31 pm

Josh McCarroll is a douche bag.

Fleming

May 20th, 2009
3:31 pm

Evidently there’s some bloggers who don’t understand the simple principle of sarcasm

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:31 pm

Especially when Delgado is going to be out for 10 weeks

Efrim

May 20th, 2009
3:31 pm

How about cutting Greg Norton and platooning Brandon Jones and Jeff Francoeur in right field? At least for now.

Francoeur is a career .291/.337/.478 vs. LHP(725 plate appearances) and a career .257/.298/.409 vs. RHP(1,741 plate appearances).

He just can’t hit righties…..at all. But he has shown that he can hit lefties to a degree. Maybe try Brandon Jones against righties and Jeff against lefties and some righties.

Blog Ref

May 20th, 2009
3:32 pm

Mets are not going to trade Beltran, and Braves aren’t gonna take on that salary. That’s totally unrealistic.

Foul! No real reality please…only blog reality is allowed!

Yes, it’s unrealistic, but that is part of the rules. Please see the 0-5% Chance of Becoming a Brave Rule

Kindly Stay Within The Boundaries.

Couch Tater

May 20th, 2009
3:32 pm

Efrim,

I just looked to see Markakis has signed a six year 60 million contract. Gawga boy too. Too bad.

Bobby's Cox

May 20th, 2009
3:32 pm

Efrim, I agree with you on Markakis…totally underrated.

timthebrave

May 20th, 2009
3:32 pm

good one Mcfann

Tom O'Hawke

May 20th, 2009
3:32 pm

cabravesfan
I’m surprised you saw that post. I do that a lot. Get within a few pages of being caught up, make a post, then when I get caught up, find I’m all by myself. It probably won’t hurt to repost the other 2, though.

Good afternoon, McFann. I hope you’re feeling a little better today. Funny post about Beltran @ 10:58. :P

CB
I don’t know if anyone answered your question from this morning, about Cody Johnson. richbrave and I were discussing him a few days ago. He does well when he makes contact. But, making contact is his problem. As of Monday, he had struck out 50 times in 126 AB’s. :sad:

chc4

May 20th, 2009
3:33 pm

Dunn and Beltran are both playing way over their heads. Dunn’s hit under .250 three of the last 4 years. He’ll come back to earth some. Same w/ Beltran. Mets have wanted to run him out of NY more than once.

Il Cattivo

May 20th, 2009
3:33 pm

Enter your comments here

timmy

May 20th, 2009
3:33 pm

Efrim…

The idea is great on paper, but Jeff would become such a distraction if he wasn’t playing everyday that it would end up being an equally negative outcome. DFA the guy and move on.

Andrew in P-tang

May 20th, 2009
3:34 pm

braves should have never gotten kawakami and spent that money on pat burrell

Blog Ump

May 20th, 2009
3:34 pm

Shouldn’t I be the one officiating here? This is a baseball blog, no?

bravesgrl4life

May 20th, 2009
3:34 pm

Eware, you might have a point there. He was SOOOO much better before tying the knot. That said, I do wonder if all the negativity is only making him worse. You know, that old, “if that’s what they think of me, then that’s what I’ll be.”

getnathan

May 20th, 2009
3:35 pm

So since we’re dealing in complete total fantasy, why don’t we propose trades for A-Rod and move him to shortstop, where he really wants to play

Steve from OH

May 20th, 2009
3:35 pm

Chop Chop, good post. I guess my line of thinking is that he certainly can’t do worse defensively than Grandpa Anderson and his batting might just be a tick better. But I’m just speculating…

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