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brent a.
May 12th, 2009
11:32 pm
Lots of things happen throughout the course of a game that can change the course of the game. That’s baseball, we know that.
But, calls at the very end are magnified, because they, without a doubt, directly determine the outcome.
If you get messed over in the top of the 1st, you have 9 innings to make-up for it; but, when you make a great throw in the 9th inning and tag out what ends up being the tying run, then you have a right to complain if the ump blows the call.
That call did cost us the game. Sure, there are other things we could’ve done throughout the game to score more runs; but, the same can be said for the Mets. Sports are not played in a vacuum.
The two teams don’t each play a simulated 9 innings, and then compare totals at the end to see who won. They play against each other throughout the game, and very often, do things in response to what the other team did. Teams play differently when they are tied, or down a single run, than they play if they are down by 4. It’s always been that way.
The Braves made the play that would’ve sealed the game, but the call incorrectly went against them. That lies at the feet of the umpire.
It’s okay to complain.
David O'Brien
May 12th, 2009
11:32 pm
Just talked to Bowman, who stayed down there longer than I did. He said Bennett never came out.
cabravesfan
May 12th, 2009
11:33 pm
RHR-
aww, that’s just mean
I love pete!
richbrave
May 12th, 2009
11:33 pm
True. At 2-0 I said BENNETT’s gonna’ walk him, but then he got strikes and I thought… oh well. Live to fight another day.
Kenny Powers
May 12th, 2009
11:34 pm
Kind of hard to beat them and the umps in the same game.
brent a.
May 12th, 2009
11:34 pm
We were 1 game out on May 24th last year, and within 3 days, Bobby Cox had inked an extension.
richbrave
May 12th, 2009
11:35 pm
CHOP CHOP:
‘Zup?
cabravesfan
May 12th, 2009
11:35 pm
He said Bennett never came out.
As much as I can understand that Bennett was probably in no mood to talk, it would have been nice for him to…(don’t want to be mean because I do like him) man up and talk to the media, even for a few seconds
David O'Brien
May 12th, 2009
11:35 pm
Regardless of who was safe or out, one thing was undeniable tonight: Mets speed was a huge factor in the game.
MFin04 (Bennett and Cox Have to Go!)
May 12th, 2009
11:36 pm
At least Jeff Bennett is a smart man, can’t throw strikes, but smart enough not to talk. DOB can you explain to us why Bennett was still in after 1 walk then 2 walks? He obviously wasnt throwing strikes? Why leave him in to walk in the winning run?
PWHjort
May 12th, 2009
11:36 pm
Wow, Bennett. That’s weak. I mean, he didn’t lose the game by himself, obviously, but that’s really weak to not come into the clubhouse and talk to reporters.
Tom O'Hawke
May 12th, 2009
11:37 pm
TomOhawke do u really think that was the last game Bobby Cox will blow this year? If he cant manage, it doesnt matter if we play 300 games a year. Whats so hard to understand here.
As a rule, I wouldn’t even address you, you know “braveshater” and all, but in this case, I’m going to make an exception. I’ve been away from the blog, for a good half hour. Your post is one of the first ones I’ve come across. Now, I have to answer your post, with a question. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? You, apparently, have me confused with someone else?
Chop Chop
May 12th, 2009
11:38 pm
richbrave,
Just watching some Colbert Report and looking at this trainwreck of a blog.
brent a.,
I was the one keeping a running tally on the Braves’ record after Bobby Cox signed that extension. That was probably cheap by me, but the team really did play like garbage when faced with adversity. A manager has to take at least some of the blame for that.
oldschool
May 12th, 2009
11:41 pm
Looks like Jair has taken Smoltzs place as the new pitch your heart out and get a no-decision or a tuff luck loss
Chop Chop
May 12th, 2009
11:42 pm
PWH,
Who cares? After all, Chipper said the game came down to one play. He said that the team “played a perfect game” and that we “got it taken away from us.” Jeff Bennett didn’t do anything wrong because he, along with every other Brave, played a perfect game.
RHR
May 12th, 2009
11:43 pm
I like a guy who will come out and face the music after he blows it. Personally.
**Extremely girly stuff coming up alert**
cabraves, the question was about who is the funniest guy on the team and Chipper said that Moylan’s accent combined with him being “the ugliest thing you’ve ever seen” made him seem funnier than he actually is.
Heap’s answer about someone making him go bald was Jeff, no surprise there – the question was who would you NOT want to be stranded on an island with. A lot of the guys said Yunel because they can’t understand him and he’s loud and some said Matty because he talks a lot. As to who they would want to be stranded with Chipper and Mac said Glav because he’s like McGuyver, Matty said Bobby Dews because he could catch food, Kelly said Chipper because he could kill food and Molyan said Heap because he could sniff food out.
They asked about kissing on their first dates and Heap said his first date was with his wife and he wouldn’t answer the question, said that was between him and her. Chipper’s answer was “uh yeah, that goes with the territory” which was priceless coming from him lol. Jeff said his first date was a double with Clint Sammons and his gf and I can’t remember if he answered if he kissed on the first date or not but at the end when the credits were rolling it went back to him and he was saying ‘No, it wasn’t Katie’ Maybe Lauren will somehow be able to put it on her blog long enough for you non local girls to see it.
Chop Chop
May 12th, 2009
11:43 pm
There was nothing to talk about. A perfect game speaks for itself.
oldschool
May 12th, 2009
11:44 pm
I think bobby tried to squeeze as much as he could out of jj because he knows who’s pitchin tommorrow blo ho reyes
David O'Brien
May 12th, 2009
11:45 pm
PWHjort, I don’t know that he didn’t eventually come out. But I know Bowman was down there for at least another 10-15 minutes after I came out, and he didn’t come out in that time.
Chop Chop
May 12th, 2009
11:45 pm
I mean, look at this blog. No one said anything after the game. We were all in awe of its perfection.
Tom O'Hawke
May 12th, 2009
11:45 pm
Wow, cabavesfan & richbrave, (the heck with the bold) I’m just starting to get caught up (dang that dinner!). I’m still a ways behind, but thanks, both of you, for what you said. Sometimes, you feel as though you’re out on a limb, all by yourself. It’s nice to know there’s a safety net, below you.
BravesDave
May 12th, 2009
11:46 pm
Hopefully Bennett didn’t come out because he is on his way to Gwinnet.
Just a thought – since Rudy Jamarillo helped Francoeur in the offseason (not much help, I’m afraid), any chance the Rangers would give the Braves something of little to no value for him? Jeff Francoeur is a team-killer and I would like him to kill someone else’s team.
David O'Brien
May 12th, 2009
11:46 pm
regarding Jurrjens:
Jurrjens gave up seven hits and two runs with one walk. In his past six starts, he is just 1-2 despite a 1.98 ERA, allowing two runs or fewer in each.
“My job is to help my team stay in the game and hope we win,” said Jurrjens, who had a four-hit shutout before giving up three hits to the four batters he faced in the eighth inning, including Reyes’ two-run double.
That ended Jurrjens’ night, and the bullpen couldn’t hold off the Mets.
“You’ve got to have luck and performance,” Jurrjens said. “If you don’t have luck on your side, you can perform and still lose…. It’s not about me. This was a really big game for us, [would’ve] given us a chance to sweep them tomorrow.”
N8
May 12th, 2009
11:47 pm
BIG shock. This team can’t get over .500.
Ho-hum, another night at the ballpark, in a season led by Bobby Cox.
Stopped watching to catch up on 24 when we were ahead 3-0. Too funny. There REALLY is nothing left to do at this point but laugh. That’s what these guys are is FUNNY. Like “funny ha ha”. Not the other kind.
And before all you Bobby Cox slurpers get all high and mighty on me. Not a soul on the planet can deny the fact that since August the 1st, 2005 (including the 3-1 game defeit against the Astros in that season’s post-season), that the Bobby Cox led Braves are 281-299. Period. End of discussion.
Not saying its all his fault. In fact, not saying ANY of it is his fault. But guys with smaller payrolls (for those wanting to whine that Liberty Medio cramps his “style”), and more wins over a time period that long, have been fired and held responsible.
The sooner you all realize that NOTHING is going to change until he’s gone (Yes, I realize it might get WORSE after he’s gone). I’m just tired of mediocre baseball. Which with the combination of this core of players, Frank Wren’s spending habis and Bobby’s (ahem) style of managing, that is ALL this team is capable of.
I had my hand on the packet of kool-aid and was debating which flavor to have after the 5-1 stretch. But thankfully, this team woke up and realized who and what they were, before suckering us all into thinking they know how to win games.
Like I said. Too funny.
RHR
May 12th, 2009
11:48 pm
Thanks for the post game notes, DOB. It’s what I came back for. Hate that tomorrow is a day game but at least I’ll be at work and watching on gameday is less stressful than watching at home.
cabravesfan
May 12th, 2009
11:49 pm
RHR-
THANK YOU! Shocking that Mac said Jeff would make him go bald (that explains a lot!)
Did Mac actually date anyone other then his wife??
I am hoping our (other) fearless leader can get it up over there so I can see the whole thing…
(by the way, it’s “Catie” with a C
Mixxo
May 12th, 2009
11:50 pm
Hey! I’m here O’Hawke (yeah, screw the bolds, too pissed and lazy) !
It’s still a hard one to swallow.
RHR
May 12th, 2009
11:50 pm
I was wondering the same thing about Mac, cabraves. I hope so! And ahh I knew it was with a C..just in a hurry, plus I have a niece Katie with a K so my fingers automatically type that.
Dumbfound
May 12th, 2009
11:50 pm
What a coward that Bennett ! Scared to face the music ! I would be shamed if someone was laughing at me !!
oldschool
May 12th, 2009
11:51 pm
I love jj’s attitude he’s a damn good pitcher and has a good head.Lock ‘em up Wren before he gets to good for us to afford!
Dumbfound
May 12th, 2009
11:52 pm
BravesDave, If you only knew !
Line us up for the Tommy John Specials
May 12th, 2009
11:52 pm
Hey, we’re the Braves bullpen, our senile old fart manager warms us up everyday whether we pitch or not. He often trots us out for just one hitter, but we still have to throw several pitches in the bullpen. We will send two or three to Dr. Andrews this season due to Goathead’s mismanagement of our arms that are gonna fall off by July 4.
RHR
May 12th, 2009
11:52 pm
Oh and Moylan? Shares an ipod with his 8 year old daughter. He said the ipod had like 20% his music and 80% her Miley Cyrus and High School Musical crap on it. Dude, I’m sure I make 150% less than you and both my kids have their own ipods and have for years. Buy that kid her own ipod!
LKS
May 12th, 2009
11:53 pm
Preciate your work DOB. I can only imagine how busy you are! Bennett not coming out…why doesn’t that surprise me. Its just so frustrating. Not that my name would suggest it but you can call me sis not bro
SamG
May 12th, 2009
11:53 pm
For Bennett i can only say is DFA that guy yesterday…. He has been nothing but garbage and a symbol of the cowardly attitude the Braves have had for the past 3 years. We have guys get thrown at several times last year, and it takes a minor league prospect in Spring Training to be the only one with the guts to defend his teammates when they are thrown at. How cowardly is it to walk a back up catcher, and then walk in a winning run. It is the attitude that has had this team getting beat up for 3 years running…
Just put a pink slip in his locker tonight, and tell him not to set foot near the park tomorrow. Better yet, kick him out of the team hotel tonight, he is worth nothing to this team…. But we all know that won’t happen. Cause as usual I’m sure Bobby thinks he threw pretty well tonight, just couldn’t catch any breaks.
Not to try to get into a furious tirade, but same for Jo Jo Reyes. How many times can you lose in a row before you are punished for it??? He absolutely sucks and should be sent packing to whoever will take him, for whatever we can get. As you can tell, I’m tired of watching the cowards on this team throw games away, and have the red carpet rolled back out for them the next day.
kirkinga
May 12th, 2009
11:54 pm
Right you are Chop Chop as usual. If we take injuries out of the equation, this year’s version of the Braves have shown that the design is solid and that they have better baseball yet to be played.
I remain a strong backer of Garret Anderson, I think O’Flaherty is better than I gave him credit for and I believe Schafer will figure it out sometime around August and play a bigger role down the stretch drive.If we get Kawakami and Glavine going, we’ll have one of the top 3 rotations in the NL and that means we aren’t going to have prolonged losing streaks like we did in previous Junes.
But you’re also right that negativity sells on blogs.
Rocketide
May 12th, 2009
11:54 pm
Does Bobby Cox remind you of Bobby Bowden?
If our left fielder would have made routine plays in the outfield we would have won 3-0 or 3-1
Nice decision to release, DFA , or trade (whatever) Anderson to the Tigers
Now we have no speed or defense or hustle to go along with no power from left field
Berto
May 12th, 2009
11:54 pm
McCann better start tomorrow. …
cabravesfan
May 12th, 2009
11:56 pm
RHR-
That’s kinda sweet about Moylan
although I can’t imagine him listening to Hannah Montana in the clubhouse!
Tom-
You’re a good guy- I doubt you would be out on that limb all alone
wilymo
May 12th, 2009
11:56 pm
In defense of Bobby’s bullpen usage tonight….
- If the Braves win, Bennett’s probably pitching regardless tonight. Because if Soriano holds them in the 10th and the Braves score, then it’s probably Bennett that is throwing the 11th for the save. Bobby’s probably thinking he’d much rather have Bennett face the bottom of the order instead of the top/middle of the order in the 11th. Outside of Soriano, your only real options were Buddy, Bennett, and Parr.
- He probably didn’t bring in Soriano to face Beltran because he’s never been one to bring him in in the middle of innings or to go multiple innings either (assuming he’d stay in to pitch the 11th). He also probably didn’t wanna put him in a spot where he’s facing a hitter with nowhere to put him in what would have been the second time in a week he’d thrown three days straight. Obviously in hindsight, it looks like a bad move but it is what it is I guess.
winterville
May 12th, 2009
11:56 pm
I have a serious question for you Robert. Who is your favorite manager and why? I honestly want to know.
uga-brave
May 12th, 2009
11:59 pm
bravedave, kelly and fracoueur both have sub .700 ops this season.
francouer .665 ops this year vs. .653 ops in 08. remarkable improvement.
brent a.
May 12th, 2009
11:59 pm
Lakers up by 25.
I still think the Braves can win this division, because I think some cash-strapped team is gonna trade us a bat within the next 60 days.
I was really looking forward to the 1:00 start tomorrow, it’s just fun. But, the bad taste of this one combined with the presence of Jo-Jo has me concerned.
That said, I was at Jo-Jo’s best start against St. Louis, so, I still have some hope.
JD
May 12th, 2009
11:59 pm
Garret’s batting 5 for 26 (.192) and slugging .231 since coming back from the DL. I’m not sure what was a worse decision; not taking a rehab assignment to get his swing, or continually placing him in the cleanup spot.
BravesDave
May 13th, 2009
12:00 am
Can someone in the Braves organization just try some honesty and point out that you cannot be a winning team when you have an everyday right fielder who is in the process of putting together his third season out of five with an OBP under .300? Especially when this same player has a career slugging percentage this barely above .400.
If Jeff Francoeur was hitting 35 HRs per season, maybe you could accept an OBP under .300. But Jeff Francoeur has NINE extra base hits in 141 plate appearances. Jordan Schafer can’t even make contact and he has the same number of extra base hits as Francoeur.
#1 METS TROLL (And Proud Of It)
May 13th, 2009
12:00 am
Mets still in 1st and the braves are in 4th….C’Ya tomorrow!!
bravos2249
May 13th, 2009
12:01 am
oldschool
you could be right. Could be saving Parr for tomorrow. But one thing I don’t like. If Gonzo was going to get yesterday off, and he warmed up enough to come in. He should have got tonight off. I think if Bobby would have used someone else in the 7th I think or the 8th and saved O’Flathery for the 9th I would have been fine. Cause he faces Sheffield anyway so that strategy failed.
Rob from SC
May 13th, 2009
12:01 am
which Robert
JD
May 13th, 2009
12:01 am
Or maybe the fact that his entrance music contains the lyrics “no one on the corner has swagga like us.”
bravos2249
May 13th, 2009
12:03 am
But also with the pitchers going tomorrow I’m sure the game won’t be in save range for either.
winterville
May 13th, 2009
12:03 am
The Robert that calls our manager a donkey and never does anything but complain.
Dumbfound
May 13th, 2009
12:04 am
If the Braves would have lost a honest game, There would be no negativity on the blogs ! Okay, I can’t honestly say that, It will always be some negatives because we expect more ! The Braves for me doesn’t have to win the World Series ! Just win the division and I would be happy !
P-Town Brave
May 13th, 2009
12:04 am
Not sure what I’m enjoying more tonight….the guy who told me to go suck it, the eternal optimist fans who just had their hearts broken, or those who just somehow still seem to be surprised at Bobby Cox’s actions and the Braves losing a 1-run game…
BTW, maybe if we’re lucky, Bennett never came out and he’s never going to come out…It was very obvious that giving up 23 hits and 6 walks in 13 innings made a 1.98 ERA very deceptive and that it would catch up to him sooner or later…obviously tonight was sooner.
Oh, and everyone should really read BravesDave’s post on the top of pg 14 @ 10:54…it sums some things up PERFECTLY!
I guess things could be worse…at least my Lakers are winning.
kirkinga
May 13th, 2009
12:04 am
BIG shock. This team can’t get over .500.
Except that they have been over .500 this season, so there’s that.
Then there’s the fact that the teams ahead of them in their division can’t seem to build a safe lead.
Add it all up and the Braves are 2.5 games out of the division lead and 3 games out of the Wild Card.
With 129 games remaining how can any rational person declare things hopeless? Makes no sense and trying to make everyone more miserable just seems so pointless to me.
braves70
May 13th, 2009
12:05 am
Absolutely correct Rocketide! Bobby Cox=Bobby Bowden, They both should have retired long ago. They both had overwhelming talent on the field but always found a way to lose. Kentucky finally forced Adolph Rupp out due to mandatory retirement at Kentucky institutions by the age of 65. If only we had something like that for the Braves.
Bill Kilgore
May 13th, 2009
12:07 am
Smell that? I love the smell of napalm.. .as the board burns to the ground after a tough loss.
BravesDave
May 13th, 2009
12:07 am
Hey, uga, don’t forget Schafer, who also has an OPS under .700. Granted, he is a rookie, but you are talking about 4 spots in the lineup (including the pitcher) that are not producing regularly. And that doesn’t even take into account LF, which hasn’t been very solid either with Anderson in the lineup. This is just a brutal offense.
P-Town Brave
May 13th, 2009
12:10 am
Oh, and this one is specifically for O’Brien:
Maybe you could clue Bobby in to the fact once and for all that Kelly Johnson is not nor ever will be a FREAKIN LEADOFF HITTER!! Drop about 50 pages of stats down in his face, smack him with it, do whatever it is you have to do to get it through the stubborn old man’s skull…
Oh, and David…its not that the Mets are so much faster than the Braves, its that they actually “try” to steal bases…I mean for crying out loud, Chipper stole a base tonight and we probably could have stolen a lot more if we actually sent runners when they were on (ie Schafer, Escobar)…it works, but its just not Bobby’s style.
Steve from OH
May 13th, 2009
12:13 am
Drop about 50 pages of stats down in his face, smack him with it, do whatever it is you have to do to get it through the stubborn old man’s skull…
With any luck, he’ll do what you do when 50 pages of stats are dropped in your face…ignore them and keep on keepin’ on.
P-Town Brave
May 13th, 2009
12:13 am
braves70-
I can only dream of a day when there’s no Bobby Cox, no Chino Cadahia, no Brian Snitker, and certainly no Terry Pendleton!
DownOnTheFarm
May 13th, 2009
12:14 am
I want Richie Sexson on this team.
Dumbfound
May 13th, 2009
12:14 am
Oh my bad, Jeff Franceour left 7 LOB !
Metropolitan Man1
May 13th, 2009
12:14 am
Well I don’t know what all has been said on the blog yet but man, what a game. I was totally depressed as JJ mowed through the Mets lineup. That sickness lasted all too long until that faithful 8th,9th, and then the 10th. This was just a game the braves gave away and this Mets fan thanks them. It was only right after the Mets played so poorly the night before. Well tomorrow is a day game so Bennett won’t sleep tight or sleep late. I’m watching the replay on Sports South so if you guys want to relive where the braves, Boooby, or Bennett went wrong then feel free to turn on the tube.
P-Town Brave
May 13th, 2009
12:14 am
Steve-
Glad to notice you have to be an @ss clown as usual…
Because thats exactly what Ive been missing all day, Steve being the usual @ss hat…
That and the Met guy telling me to suck it…you guys should make out!
Tom O'Hawke
May 13th, 2009
12:15 am
Mixxo— I’m getting there. I’m still about 15 minutes behind. I’m amazed, on a Tuesday night, after the game is over, that there are still this many people posting. The only reason is because there’s a an awful amount of interest. Nah, they won’t admit it, but this is the proof!
By the way, getting back to you … sorry we lost. However, look at the bright side! Your friends will now come and visit you, you can use mass transit, and, even if you didn’t have a love life before, you now have one for the future. Smile! (by the way, I’d wash those underpants, seperately)(also, never use that washer again)
!
P-Town Brave
May 13th, 2009
12:16 am
Metro Man-
At least you were honest about it…
Then again, as I said earlier on, we being Braves fans should be used to it…we’ve given away many a game in the last 10 years or so.
uga-brave
May 13th, 2009
12:17 am
bravesdave,
hence why this is a average team. there is a good chance that they do not have one player produce 20 homeruns, or 90 rbi.
gonna be tough night in night out to consistenly produce runs with the way the current roster is constucted.
TnBrian
May 13th, 2009
12:18 am
If the Braves come out tomorrow afternoon and pound the Mutts for a win, the game tonight will be forgotten since no one player screwed this up for us… Beltran tagged out-2 outs, Castillo fly out to LF-ballgame. Woulda been no Bennett and Gonzo woulda sweat but been smiling after the game. Anyways, if they come out tomorrow and play like they played in the last home series, then I’ll worry.
G A Yman
May 13th, 2009
12:19 am
Who has a greater love for men: Steve from OH or DOB?
Coach (2010 or Bust)
May 13th, 2009
12:19 am
I’ll second Dave O’Brien’s post at 11:35.
The Mets utilized the one weapon our Braves don’t have, the running game.
Bill Kilgore-Braves fan
May 13th, 2009
12:19 am
That and the Met guy telling me to suck it P-TOWn
Suck it P-Town. There. Now you’ve had a braves fan say it to you too.
P-Town Brave
May 13th, 2009
12:20 am
Oh and Steve, as per our usual agreement, I still have to tell you that Kelly absolutely SUCKS as a leadoff hitter…
And don’t worry, even before you type I already know….blah blah blah…something with sample and size will be in it…but tell ya what, give me your address and I’ll get the digits for the people to send you a bottle of Extenze so you won’t have to worry about sample size again
gotigers72
May 13th, 2009
12:21 am
Is G. Anderson so inflexible that he cannot bend over at the waist? He should have had that ball in the 8th. Then it would have been 1 on and 2 outs and only 1 run would have scored on Reyes’ double. Not impressed at all with his fielding abilities. Braves knew what they were getting when they signed him. He had been a DH for the LARGE majority of his time in the last 2-3 years af Anaheim. He has cost the Braves more runs than he has driven in [5]. Hitting a powerful .196. How can BC justify hitting him 4th? B Mac was 3 for 4 behind him and would have driven in several more runs if he would’ve hit cleanup. Hope Diaz plays tomorrow with a lefty going for the Mutts.
I love Schafer, think he will eventually be a star. However, for the time being, he needs to be working on his hitting skills at AAA. It would help his confidence. Don’t know who would play CF though because Gregor is hitting .215 with a lot of strikeouts at Gwinnett. Gorkys is hitting .325 at Mississippi, but that may be too big of a jump for him right now. The Marlins sent Maybin down, scared that his poor start at the plate would hurt his confidence, which a .214 avg. could do. Might be smart for the Braves to follow the Marlins lead. Two words Braves: Joey Devine.
P-Town Brave
May 13th, 2009
12:22 am
Bill Kilgore-
? Who are you and where did you come from ?
Go back to bed before your mom wakes up.
uga-brave
May 13th, 2009
12:22 am
steve from ohio,
the wings dont seem to have any jump tonight. still dont think they will have any trouble in game 7 though.
Herschel Talker
May 13th, 2009
12:23 am
Good teams get past umpire mistakes. Bad teams dwell on them and attribute them as the main reason for the loss. The umpire blew it. Plain and simple. But the Braves were still leading at the time. We can’t blame the ump for Jeff Bennett’s usual inability to throw strikes. We can’t blame the ump for burning out Gonzalez’s arm by warming him up the night before in an 8-3 game. We can’t blame the ump for leaving JJ in too long. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
mets fan in atlanta
May 13th, 2009
12:23 am
Lost in all this is that Pelfrey pitched another really good game, and kept the Mets in it even when it looked like the Braves might take command. K-Rod pitched two innings for the first time in over a year apparently (except WBC), and handled that with no problems.
As for the Beltran tag play, way i see it, it makes up for all the bogus calls that the braves had go their way in the early part of the game. David Wright was clearly safe ( I saw that one on replay several times), and even DOB says Reyes was safe at third. I thought Wright looked safe at home on the Schafer throw.
I will give the braves for credit for one thing: their lack of power has given them a bit of an edge (hitting-wise) in the new park this series. I lost count of the number of balls that were fisted, broken-bat, off the end of the bat, whatever, that found their way in front of Mets outfielders. When the ball fell in front of Garret Anderson, I screamed out “Finally!!” Apparently that is all it takes.
P-Town Brave
May 13th, 2009
12:24 am
kirkinga-
I agree w/ some things you said, but Im not really certain we can wait for Schafer to start hitting in August…
Besides, isn’t that the Kelly Johnson motto or syndrome?! We can’t exactly be afforded that luxury, especially considering that Francoeur is back to all his old habits at the plate.
Herschel Talker
May 13th, 2009
12:24 am
Mets fan in Atlanta: regarding your comment on fisting, I bet you like fisting. Most Mets fans do.
P-Town Brave
May 13th, 2009
12:28 am
Mets fan in ATL-
Wright was out both at 2b and at home…
Wright slid into Kelly Johnson’s foot at 2b and never actually touched the base and then ran his hand, arm, and armband into BMac’s glove at home…
The Reyes call was blown as it looked like Chipper grabbed him at 3b but after his hand was in.
Beltran was clearly blown as he also slid right into Chipper’s glove..
And yes, you’re right…the Braves have ZERO power!
Metropolitan Man1
May 13th, 2009
12:29 am
All bad calls aside, the game was decided by speed (DOB caught that) and walks. You couple those two together and that was the deciding factor in these two pitchers throwing great games. Of course JJ is suffering from the “wescorenorunsfor Santana syndorme”. You don’t know how bad the Mets and their fans needed this win after Santnana lossed. Now by all means this game wasn’t a chest thumping win, it was a lets not go on a slide right now win.
Top of the 7th, Lets Go Mets!
Steve from OH
May 13th, 2009
12:29 am
Kelly Johnson, statistical numbers whilst batting leadoff: .262/.353/.435=788 OPS
MLB Average OPS, 2008: .753
Leadoff hitter average OPS: .768.
MLB average OBP, 2008: .329
Leadoff hitter average: .341
I’m sorry, but doesn’t this severely undermine your argument? I mean, badly? Just go ahead and ignore these statistics, brah, I know you will.
uga-brave
May 13th, 2009
12:29 am
mets fan in atlanta,
that is the braves offensive strategy this year. bloopers, bleeders, dinkers and dunkers. offset of course by their most dangerous weapon the seeing eyed grounder.
Il Cattivo
May 13th, 2009
12:30 am
Hey DOB what are you saying – that we have no speed. Heck out catcher tried to steal and our oft-injured veteran 3rd baseman actually had a steal. There’s your speed right there!!
All jokes aside, Jurrjens is a gem. His performance, his poise and his attitude are top notch. You cant teach some things and whatever his stats and peripherals say, I think we got a franchise player right there. Wins will come eventually. Hope Scott Boras doesnt meddle and we lose him.
Dumbfound
May 13th, 2009
12:31 am
Don’t respond to Mutt !!!
Tomahawkin
May 13th, 2009
12:32 am
Mets Beat The Braves using the Team Speed element…Doesn’t suprise me at all we lost because of the lack of team speed…It always happens in close games that we play in over the last 10 years…
I don’t know Why But I was listening to Christina Aguliera “What a Girl Wants” Song…I dunno why I like that song…It’s One of those songs that I’m Embarassed to admit that I like…
D.O.B. I’m pretty Sure you have Pop-Tart songs on your Ipod that you are Embarassed to admit that you like…
Oh Yea Ho-Jo Will get Slapped Tomorrow I’m calling it 7-2 Result…I hope I’m Wrong but last nights game was a must win…!
BravesDave
May 13th, 2009
12:32 am
Uga, it is a complete shame, but this team would have been entirely different if the Braves had spent the money to get a real LF. Adam Dunn or Raul Ibanez in the middle of this lineup would be making a world of difference.
The Braves knew all throughout the offseason that their outfield options were utterly inadequate……and they did nothing about it. Spending $2.5M on a washed up Garrett Anderson or a washed up Ken Griffey Jr. does not count as “doing something.” Not to mention, hoping that Francoeur got covered in pixie dust and suddenly became a good player does not count as “doing something.”
Dumbfound
May 13th, 2009
12:32 am
I bet you he won’t come back to this blog later today ! I bet you !
Steve from OH
May 13th, 2009
12:33 am
uga, doesn’t look like it. It’s a bit disheartening to see the Wings outshooting the Ducks (didn’t look up exact #s but its pretty bad I think) and still going to game 7. Hiller is quite a goaltender.
Wings score. Maybe we’ve got a game yet…
Metropolitan Man1
May 13th, 2009
12:34 am
Useless stat: Mets have come back from 3-0 leads twice this year against the braves.
These announcers are horrible and hate NY so much. Can’t wait to listen to them eat crow again.
N8
May 13th, 2009
12:37 am
Steve from OH, in regards to your 12:29 post, I have a question.
That .329 OBP as the “league average” when leading off… is that when “leading off an inning”, or batting in the leadoff spot in the batting order? I find it HARD to believe that the league average of all leadoff hitters is a .329 OBP.
But, I have been known to be wrong before. LOL! Anyhow, just asking, not scolding, bitching or raggin’ on you.
Steve from OH
May 13th, 2009
12:37 am
Uhh, I think it’s just leading off…had a hard time finding the numbers and I closed the page so I’ll try to find out…
Steve from OH
May 13th, 2009
12:38 am
As in, hitting from the #1 spot, not just leading off the game.
Dumbfound
May 13th, 2009
12:39 am
I think the Braves management do regret signing Adam Dunn ! And even more they are regreting trading Kelly Johnson to St.Louis. They may also being second guess of keeping Jeff Franceour ! How would Josh Anderson look in the out field now !! The Braves orginaztion always have traded or kept the wrong players !!
uga-brave
May 13th, 2009
12:41 am
steve from ohio,
either way we are gonna have three game sevens. nothing better.
as i type this, there is some serious brawling going on.
TnBrian
May 13th, 2009
12:41 am
Bad umps screwing up a well played game by a team is why they play 162 games in a year. That’s all I can come up with why they play so many.
Steve from OH
May 13th, 2009
12:42 am
And the .329 was league average of all hitters. The leadoff average was .341.
And yes, it’s batting from the leadoff spot, not just the 1st AB of the game (not sure why that would be important, but…)
kirkinga
May 13th, 2009
12:42 am
P-Town Brave, what do you mean can we wait? The dude is a freaking rookie! He deserves this entire season and next if that’s what it takes.
This need for instant gratification..by some, not yoy…is really annoying. It’s starts with constant praise of certain prospects and the insistence that they will be better than what we have now. Then they get here and they are instant successes and get thrown under the bus.
He deserves time, so does Garret Anderson in my opinion. People seem quick to forget that Anderson has more hits than Chipper and played in less games. Now he’s certainly not the better player, but he does have a track record that shows he can hit and hit in the clutch. But he hasn’t done it instantly and so people hate him for it(I assume that’s the reason at least).How many people threw Kotchman under the bus because he didn’t do much offensively from the get-go? Now suddenly they are all on the Kotchman bandwagon with those of us who said he would come around.
It’s clear to me that having a healthy Chipper, Anderson,McCann, and Kotchman in the lineup is a solid middle of the lineup. Not alot of power, but still a dangerous bunch when healthy.
Like I said, you can see the potential, but those looking for instant gratification and a quick and smooth ride to the top better go watch another team until the second half of the season.
Tomahawkin
May 13th, 2009
12:42 am
BravesDave Your Comment “it is a complete shame, but this team would have been entirely different if the Braves had spent the money to get a real LF. Adam Dunn or Raul Ibanez in the middle of this lineup would be making a world of difference.”
I will co-sign on the Braves F.O. Being Cheap and not going after Either of those two F.A.’S
I started bashing the F.O. When We dropped those games in Pittsburgh and Washington earlier this year…Those losses are gonna hurt us come September…!
Steve from OH
May 13th, 2009
12:43 am
Gotta love a good fight. Or several at once, even better. Datsyuk does NOT deserve the Lady Byng…