1:48 pm May 11, 2009, by David O'Brien
May 12th, 200910:09 am
On a different issue – Manny!
Read this story on ESPN. Seems that Manny IS a cheater.
There must be a “new” undetectable steroid out there….. Cream and clear the RETURN.
May 12th, 200910:12 am
“Santana, Halladay, Lincecum, and now Greinke, and then there’s everybody else (yeah, I probably left some beast out, but those are the guys who pop up with no thought whatsoever).”
I still like the big man in the Bronx. I know he has struggled to start the year, but I really think the guy has some of the best stuff in the bigs. That fastball/slider combo is deadly. Overall though, I agree with you on Johan, Doc, Lincecum. I’d say Webb too, if he wasn’t hurt. I guess we have to put Greinke in there now. Ya know who I wouldn’t put in there? Peavy. I just keep thinking about what his numbers would look like out of the NL West. I suppose you could say the same about Lincecum though, but I won’t!
May 12th, 200910:14 am
That hit Kotch took to his hand looked awful!
May 12th, 200910:16 am
The Braves and the rest of teams in their division appear to be average to just above average with no one team dominating things yet. The Braves seem to have an edge in overall pitching depth with the pitchers down at Gwinnett providing the Braves with substantial depth for now and in the future. Hanson may even not be the best pitcher waitng in the wings. Medlin is throwing lights out and certainly is giving Hanson a run for the pitcher most ready to step up to Atlanta. The question now is whether the Braves are willing to trade some of this excess pitching to add offense especially in the outfield. Not all these guys can pitch in Atlanta but I for one don’t want to see them mortage the future again for a 1 year rental. I would expect no trades until the season’s mid-point and until then hopefully there is more than enough pitching to compensate for the offense especially in a weak division.
May 12th, 200910:18 am
Kawakami does not have a no-trade clause, like every nearly every Brave since Schuerholz took over. But it’s a mood point, because the organization put a lot of work into tapping into the Japanese market and pissing it all away by trading Kawakami isn’t an option.
May 12th, 200910:19 am
Since I’ve been pretty tough on Kelly Johnson these past coupla seasons, I feel it necessary to point out that the guy played second last night about as well as he ever has and about as well as it can be played. He may still have limitations on his ability to make the play behind the bag with a throw to first, but so do a lot of ‘em…and I still love his swing. Good job KJ.
May 12th, 200910:20 am
Efrim, that just goes to show how short memories are, LOL, re Sabathia. A bad month, and I seem to have already dismissed him! You’re right, even with his bad start, he’s on the short list. Unless all those innings are catching up with him.
May 12th, 200910:22 am
We should have two “posts of the day” awards ..one day time, one night time.If someone puts a post up that is worthy of the award than the others should chime in and say it should be considered. DOB can make the final call. Kind of like Jim Rome’s call of the day or other shows email of the day. This would help others that can’t navigate through the entire blog due to time constraints get a chance to read some of the good stuff this blog brings
May 12th, 200910:23 am
ncscoots, and those lbs.
May 12th, 200910:24 am
One GWINNETT factor is the ball-park itself. How similar is it to TURNER field? In RICHMOND, “THE DIAMOND”’s size, general climatic conditions, and lighting in night games made it a notorious pitchers park. It was said pitchers became ALL-STARS and hitters went there to die. Anybody got a line on GWINNETT’s site? Is it making pitching better and hitting worse? Or is it neutral? CARROLL, McFANN, CHOP CHOP?
May 12th, 200910:26 am
Efrim, roger that. Dude don’t leave a biscuit at the buffet, does he?
Patron Saint of the Lost Art
May 12th, 200910:27 am
richbrave…Gwinnett Stadiums dimensions are nearly identical to Turner Fields’.
May 12th, 200910:33 am
Important game tonight. Braves need a win to guarantee a series victory. Can’t rely on Jo Jo Reyes tomorrow. That guy can’t be counted on for a win.
Gil In Mechanicsville
May 12th, 200910:34 am
Hey Richbrave, a friend went to the game in Gwinnett last night and came away impressed. Also gave high marks to Medlin.
Who knows if we are going to actually get a new stadium here in Richmond. I still think it would be better in Goochland.
May 12th, 200910:35 am
Well, one must admit that JoJo is due…..
Much like Jordan Schafer… but different…
May 12th, 200910:37 am
Great win against a nasty pitcher! Looked like the guys did a good job of not trying to hit it out of the ballpark and just took what the Mets pitchers gave them. From what I saw last night Santana’s fastball is more of a show-me pitch,(not exceptional) but his change-up is his out pitch. Tom Glavine made a pretty good living like that.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
At least Schafer is making more contact now. He seems to be trying to take the ball the other way as well.
May 12th, 200910:38 am
That guy [Reyes] can’t be counted on for a win.
What makes you think Jurrjens can? The Mets’ “best pitcher” got tagged last night, the Braves’ best might get hammered tonight, and Reyes might twirl a gem tomorrow. That’s baseball.
May 12th, 200910:40 am
I thought the Dark Man pitched an outstanding 8th inning last night. Has that high heater and biting slider to mix in. Just outstanding work and now seems to becoming much more confident since his elbow no longer barks at him after every pitch.
May 12th, 200910:41 am
Not sure why you can’t count on Reyes to get a win….
Sure he has had some games where he has brought the gas can to the mound with him, but there are a few games where he has pitched well and gotten no run support.
May 12th, 200910:42 am
Hey guys..i miss something…When we sign Tony Armas Jr.?..he is pitching today for Gwinnett…
May 12th, 200910:43 am
This certainly doesn’t look anything like the Braves teams from the past. Despite the Mets giving them that game last night, the Braves will be hard pressed to finish third in the NL East. Your best player Larry can’t stay healthy more than a few weeks at a time. Your right fielder can’t hit yet swings at everything. Your CF is a joke. In fact, McCann is the only regular that would crack the Met lineup.
DOB—Landshark Stadium? Are you kidding me? When I first started reading your post, I thought, what’s with Dave and his nicknames for stadiums in Florida (Dark Star)? – Tom O’Hawke
Oh, no, I’m not kidding. The new Dolphins owner is in some kind of partnership with Jimmy Buffett, hence the new stadium name. Unbeliievably tacky. And the amazing thing is, they’ll be having the Super Bowl at Landshark Stadium. Doesn’t that sound like something from a bad movie?
The headline for this Blog Reads “Shea’s Dead, Mets are Not.” Neither are the Braves.
Mets’ Fans may not be as down on their pitching staff as we believe they should be, but if they don’t start winning with Santana posting those miniscule numbers and find some middle relief, then they are in serious trouble. If I were him, some of those pre-game handshakes (I had the Mets’ feed last night) would involve sharp objects and threats.
May 12th, 200910:44 am
where’s that d-bag “rabid in queens.” he stopped his crap posting right around 9pm last night. gee, i wonder why?
I agree with ya on KJ’s D last night. He had some hard shots at him and handled ‘em fine. Some may say “big deal”, but we know better. Those same shots would have ate him up not too long ago.
Yep… Interesting match up tomorrow. I don’t think Niese will be as effective against the Braves as he was in his debut. The Braves are infamous in their inability to hit pitchers they are seeing for the first time but teeing off against them in return engagements.
Anyone…. When Tommy Hanson Pitch again?…I planning to go to the games Saturday or Sunday in Lehigh Valley….
May 12th, 200910:48 am
And how long before it becomes known as Loanshark stadium? Oh wait… that’s Citi Field….
May 12th, 200910:49 am
You keep you’re little SS, we will keep ours. At one point a couple of years ago I would have loved to of had yours. But your guy is an underachiever. Our guy just hits with runners on like nobody’s business.
May 12th, 200910:51 am
Diaz has 13 rbi in only 66 AB’s
May 12th, 200910:53 am
Hey, just had to come on one more time and tip my cap to the Braves for beating Santana and the Mets last night. Have to give credit where credit is due, and your boys really stepped up. Here’s to round 2….
andersLowe cost $24 mil more in total and he’s only signed for one extra year. Plus he’s gonna be 36 in a month. Perez is 28. Apples and oranges.
yeah, but even though the braves paid $24mil more, so far lowe has been worth every penny while perez has been a waste of $36mil. so which deal is better?
youre right though…2 months in. but as of now, the mets look really stupid on that one, youve got to admit.
Oh and is anyone else worried about Jordan? Because im NOT. Thats right…..why?? Because of two things i saw last night. 1. Chipper with his arm around him talking to him and 2. Terry sitting and talking to him in the dugout. It will just take time for him to really get it and get hot.
I like the kid. He shows the patience of a veteran at the plate on every AB and he’s not too shabby with the glove, he’s learning the parks. After his first visit to each he should get the hang of that. Sure he K’s a lot but even so, he’s been impressive thus far and I have no idea why people are clamoring for him to go back to AAA. In favor of who exactly? I mean…it should never be up to the rook to carry the team, the other guys in the lineup should produce enough to where it won’t matter much if he’s an automatic out for a while. When you work a pitcher for 10 or 12 pitches before you strike out you haven’t entirely lost the battle. Would much rather K’fer get a dozen pitches and THEN strike out than to run up there and swing at the first pitch and ground out or pop out a`la JF and KJ.
May 12th, 200910:55 am
Jojo earns those losses.
May 12th, 200910:56 am
In fact, McCann is the only regular that would crack the Met lineup. – The Wizard
Wiz, besides Santana, how many Mets pitchers could crack the Braves’ starting rotation?
May 12th, 200910:57 am
Jimmy Buffet = sold out totally, good luck to him…
Braves looked good last night without Chipper with our massive 16 hits… 7 off JOHAN… anyone would think however that he threw a no hitter if you are following the NY media and ESPN radio/tv…
Not a mention of the great outing by LOWE on ESPN… joke, complete joke and even with our own ATL 2 Stews (or is it the 2 stupids) on 1st Take.. The Braves totall outplayed the soft Mets last night and as usual certain ‘mucils players just show zero guts when it matters..
I have to hand it to Bobby Cox again. The guy can flat out manage his personnel and get them back up. KJ is swinging like the 1st week of the season and Matty Diaz played an all round excellent game and I am very happy for him (I have been very critical of him early this year).
Jordan Schafer seems to dip when trying to hit those power fast balls, I hope TP can straighten him out (one suspects he is playing injured)
Unfortunately I cannot go to tonight’s game but thanks to the other Braves fans who made a lot of noise last night..
Go JJ and the hitters again
[Knock, knock] Plumber.
May 12th, 200910:58 am
richbrave: Dimensions at Gwinnett are same as Turner Field, by design.
May 12th, 200910:59 am
Lowe wins, Ollie is a biacth little loser, no comparison..
The mutts were not even the next best bidder for Lowe over any time period…….. forget it, Omar likes losing, he has such a great track record at producing teams that do exactly that
Anyone see the pictures from the press conference to announce “Landshark” stadium? Everyone was standing on the podium doing the dumb-a** shark fin hand signal on their heads. For the sake of their humility, I’m just going to assume everyone involved was really, really drunk.
May 12th, 200911:01 am
DOB-Just as long as they don’t have Chevy Chase or Lorraine Neuman singing the National Anthem for the Super Bowl.
Wasn’t the Miami stadium in “Any Given Sunday” call “Shark’s Stadium”. Shark’s – Landshark. So maybe it WAS the name from a bad movie.
May 12th, 200911:02 am
HAHA I read that just as my phone rang…was laughing when I answered. Good stuff.
It could have been worse-they could have named it Mudshark Stadium from the Mothers Live at The Fillmore album and had Flo and Eddie singing the anthem. I’m not even going to come up with a creamed corn joke.
May 12th, 200911:03 am
ncscoots, it’s a helluva pitch. I’m not disputing that… but they covered it last night like it was breaking (PUN!) news. We know Santana has a big changeup, so marvel at it when he makes someone look foolish. Fine. But also talk about how no one can get the ball out of the infield on Lowe.
May 12th, 200911:06 am
ESPN kept talking about McCann and him not wearing his glasses while playing the field. Does the blurriness not affect him while he’s on the field, or his he just bearing with it on the field?
Eric from MO
May 12th, 200911:07 am
Its ok Wizard, Santana is the only one who would crack the Braves rotation…and he cant even win against us.
May 12th, 200911:11 am
Lew @ 11:02
RHR, astute post re Schafer. Such smart writing garners many babe points for the author, LOL.
I’m pretty sure that many of the same folks ready to kick the kid to the curb are also the ones who always scream to “bring the kids up and let them play” when a vet is going badly. Whaddya bet all those rooks in a lineup would get the same trashing as Schafer is receiving now?
May 12th, 200911:13 am
Darn, DOB beat me to my last post.lol
May 12th, 200911:14 am
It’s a little late, and maybe someone else has come up with it, but I think the nickname for CitiField should be ‘The TARP.’ Yuk, yuk….
Steve from OH
May 12th, 200911:15 am
RHR, that’s exactly what I said a few days ago. The kid’s got plate discipline, and you can’t teach that. He’s shown that he can hit elsewhere, he’ll get it in time.
May 12th, 200911:18 am
But also talk about how no one can get the ball out of the infield on Lowe.
You’re talking about the ESPN guys, right? They did mention it, quite a bit. He got his props, I think, all things considered.
One other note on the ESPN crew…I’m no Steve Phillips fan, but Orel Hershiser is worth the price of admission. The man can really talk pitching, especially in the game’s context, with language that’s succinct, understandable, and insightful. He’s Don Sutton, all grown up.
Mixxo-Absolutely. Careful not to be spewed upon by that Mudshark. With a Bullet.
May 12th, 200911:24 am
Not sure we were watching the same game. Wait, you’re not an ESPN commentator are you?
May 12th, 200911:25 am
Just noticed Tony Armas Jr. pitching for Gwinnett today, when did we get him.
andersNow he’s pitching well but he costing the Braves $6 mil to be an 8th inning set up guy.
this coming from the guy whos team has a $10mil closer on the shelf, and traded for a $6mil guy to be a setup man. that contact has an option worth like $1.5 mil, then k-rod is making $9.1mil…
so while the brave have $13.5 mil tied up in closer and setup this year, if you count soriano’s injury filled season last year, the mets have about $26.6mil tied up in setup and closer.
theres a big whoops! in there for the mets somewhere.
May 12th, 200911:26 am
braves57 i believe chipper is batting well over .400 in his career against santana. i doubt he was ducking him.
David and Eric:
According to CBS Sports team stats, Mets SP right now ranks #4 in all MLB, Braves #6. I’ll take Maine and Pelfrey over the Jap, Reyes and Vasguez anyday. And your bulpen can’t match up with the Mets. No bullpen, no Pennant.
OK it’s a deal. You keep Escobar, I’ll stay with Reyes. Escobar can’t do eveything that Reyes brings to the table. Espececially speed. You won’t find anyone other than die hard Braves fans who think Escobar is as good as Reyes.
May 12th, 200911:30 am
We should be ecstatic that Chipper is not crushing 30+ hrs a year right now. After the Manny revelation (oh yes, it was steroids Virginia!) any slugger in the bigs hitting 30+ after age 34 is going to be suspect.
I find myself holding my breath every day that a Brave’s player does not go down.
May 12th, 200911:31 am
And by the way David, besides McCann again I ask, name me another Braves position player who would crack the Mets lineup right now. Difficult, is’t it? LOL
Thw Wizard Sucks
At least Escobar is clutch, and knows how to field a baseball….
May 12th, 200911:32 am
Wizard you would rather have Maine and Pelfrey than Vazquez even though Vazquez has a lower ERA, more K’s, and has thrown more innings? Why???
Wait, you’re not an ESPN commentator are you?
No, LOL, not enough money in it. Anyway, you may be right and they should have given Lowe more air-time. But I imagine it was hard to get away from the story line of Santana’s excellence in front of his team’s woefulness. That’s probably too juicy a bone to gnaw to just leave it lying there.
Outstanding W for the Braves last nite. I like the rest of us was annoyed at the non-stop “poor Johan” banter. The guy is great and any team would love to have him. However, the Braves got zero credit for their approach which was patience and putting the ball in play. Although they “only” got 7 hits, there were about 6 other very well hit balls that could have just as easily gotten through. Let’s get #2 tonite!!!!
May 12th, 200911:34 am
Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
May 12th, 200911:35 am
JJ needs to keep the streak up, added with our recent resurgent offense, I think the Braves smack around Pelfry in that giant ballpark.
Wizard-The Braves bullpen includes three pitchers coming off of surgery (Gonzo about the usual 18 months out-Moylan only 11 months out, Soriano not even that far past surgery). The first 11 games of the season, they posted an ERA of around 9, giving up 28 runs in 29 IP-one would imagine while they re-acclimated themselves to game situations.
In the 21 games since then, the Braves’ bullpen have pitched 58+ innings and given up 13 runs, for an ERA of about 2.00.
To say that the Braves have no bullpen is not only totally false, but nothing short of wishful thinking by Mutts’ fans. Exactly who’s bullpen held who at bay last night?
May 12th, 200911:37 am
Enter your comments here
As for the bullpen Wizard if you take away the 1st 2 weeks the Brves pen has been just as good. I said before the season the Mets and Braves have 2 best pens in baseball. Even if the Mets have a slightly better pen you cant say the Braves have no pen. Like I said take away the first two weeks and the Braves pen is just as good. Dont bring any stat if it includes the first two weeks.
May 12th, 200911:38 am
Eric from MO-Cause he’s clueless?
ncscoots, is that handle NC+Scoots as in North Carolina?
May 12th, 200911:39 am
Thanks Lew, I hate looking up stats.
Really screwed up blog – keeps eating the comments and then when you try again says “duplicate comment detected”.
I'm from North Carolina
Chipper needs to get back in there and smack the Mets some more. You think he’ll name his next kid Citi?
Take Johans sick #’s out and the Mets are at the bottom. He is a great pitcher but the rest aint good….the Braves are more consistent and if it weren’t for KK and a few JOJO starts they would be at the top….KK is going to get better and Hanson or Glav will take over for JOJo soon
May 12th, 200911:40 am
coach and N8 the braves may end up falling short of the playoff, but i think you guys are mistaken if you think its gonna take 90 wins to win this division. i dont think any team in the east wins 90, because they will be beating up on each other so much, and were all going to have trouble with the central teams.
You bet. Land of the free and home of the scoots.
May 12th, 200911:41 am
Not sure what stats you are looking at, but in overall ERA NYM (3.94)are 2nd Braves (3.99) are 4th. However, in just the starters, Braves (3.99) are 3rd and NYM (4.42) are 11th. NYM (3.08) are 1st in BP while Braves (4.00) are 5th. However, I will say in the last 15 games the Braves BP has a 2.03 era over 44 innings.
Bottom line…Braves pitching is superior to the NYM.
From NC-The Phillies announcers had an interesting idea this weekend while discussing Chipper’s stats against the Phillies (pretty much the same as against the Mets). They felt naming his next kid Phil would be a good move-much better than naming him Citi.
Dont bring any stat if it includes the first two weeks.
Sorry, but it don’t work that way, dude, lol! The games in April count just as equally as the games in September. By that logic, we can call Ollie Perez a stud!
May 12th, 200911:42 am
is it just me or does anyone else get excited when Jordan puts the ball in play? I’m so used to the K’s that when there is contact I’m happy for him, although the end result is a pop up to shallow left it’s progress!
May 12th, 200911:43 am
bravos got themselves a three game win streak. way to go and keep it up. GO BRAVES!!!!!
beekay-And having a lights out pitcher like Johan does them no good if they can’t win when he pitches-and they haven’t.
May 12th, 200911:45 am
great point Lew…it’s like the hitters party hard the night before his starts knowing that they just need a run or two to get a W….also the opposing pitcher is jacked to face Johan so the Mets get a fired up guy trying to beat the best
May 12th, 200911:46 am
Batroark …i ask same question at 10:42..I have the answers…may 8 we sign free agent Tony Armas and assign to Mississippi, May 9 then we assign him to Gwinnett AAA. minor league Contract
pelfry is 4-0 and ive heard some commentators act like hes been pitching really well…the truth is, all his stats other than W-L are pretty bad.
he has made it to the 6th inning only one time this season. his ERA is a robust 5.46, with a 1.71 WHIP. the dudes got a .306 BAA, and has walked over twice as many guys as he has struck out(14BB/6Ks). teams are OPSing .866 against him!
he has not been pitching well, and hopefully the braves will shell him tonight.
Steve I know but over a course of the season 2 weeks aint much. The past month is more what this bullpen is going to do. Ever since we got rid of Boyer it has been great.
Healing, I’m in the Sandhills, but that’s as specific as I get around this joint, LOL.
May 12th, 200911:47 am
Anthony, actually I’ll admit that if Mac wasn’t wearing his glasses while catching last night, I didn’t notice. From pressbox you wouldn’t, unless you’re watching the the game on the TV monitors. But he wore them in Philly, so I wasn’t even thinking to look closely last night to see if he was wearing them.
I’ll check with him today. The important thing for him is seeing the ball when hitting, seeing the spin on it, recognizing pitches, etc. But he said he also needed to wear them catching after trying it without glasses for a few innings in his rehab game. So if he didn’t wear them last night, I’ll ask why.
Sorry, but it don’t work that way, dude, lol! The games in April count just as equally as the games in September. By that logic, we can call Ollie Perez a stud!
Funny thing is, even WITH the first two weeks, the BP era keeps going down. Not sure if most realize this, but the BP has been LIGHTS OUT recently. Heck, in 32 games they have a 4.00 era and that’s WITH a 20.52 era over 8.1 innings in the Phi/Pit/Fla games at the beg of the season. And other than those three blowups, the BP has given up 22 ER in 84 innings over 29 games. That’s a 2.36 era. Pretty dang good.
It’ll take time, but the BP will slowly creep up to what the NYM are now.
May 12th, 200911:48 am
Thanks Patron Saint and DOB.
May 12th, 200911:49 am
It’s May…let’s see how they compare as the season progresses.
Vasguez never has reached the potential it was thought he had. HE’S GOT A LOSING LIFETIME RECORD! And at 33 has little room for improvement.
Young Maine (28) and Pelfrey (25) are as good as him now and have a ways to go before they reach their full potential. You are only kidding yourself if you would rather have Vasguez than the Mets two young hurlers, who both have WINNING LIFETIME RECORDS already! CASE CLOSED.
sorry, i meant to say pelfry has only made it PAST the 6th inning once.
May 12th, 200911:50 am
May 12th, 200911:51 am
nice comment DAP lol
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