2:10 pm April 28, 2009, by David O'Brien
P-Town Brave (Pleading for Change)
April 28th, 20095:08 pm
You’re great and I agree w/ what you said, BUT I’ve seen this rodeo already way too long w/ the KJ and Cox Bromance and I’m sorry, it just has to end! I’d love for Kelly to have a great year, but like Yogi the Bear he disappears into the forest for way too many weeks at a time and all this being equal, I can’t possibly accept waiting until September for him to have a big month when we’re already eliminated from playoff contention.
I agree w/ what you said about sample size not being everything…
Besides, if it WERE everything, Albert Pujols never would’ve made it to the bigs when he did…he had 0 PA’s in AA, 0 in AAA, and 0 in ML…If they would’ve went w/ Steve’s gut, Albert would probably have made it to the majors around 07.
Steve, the reason ppl are advocating for Schafer to hit leadoff is pretty obvious…If you can’t see that, maybe you need to get out of the sun, wake up and smell the coffee, and insert here whatever other ridiculous metaphor you can think of!
April 28th, 20095:10 pm
The Nationals shuffled their bullpen again. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090428&content_id=4462840&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Blausers curly hair
April 28th, 20095:12 pm
right now I feel like jeff Blauser is batting in all 9 spots of the lineup
Eric from MO
Cecil”Even Lowe is not what I consider top tier. Otherwise, why go after Burnett and Peavy first?”
Um…you can argue Lowe is doing better than Peavy and Burnett and honestly I dont know why anyone would rather have Burnett than Lowe. Even before Burnett signed I was praying we would not get him because he would just be another Mike Hampton.
April 28th, 20095:15 pm
big dawg – why would be pursue pitching? Its not exactly our weakness.
Looks like DOB fell asleep again.
Burnett is awesome, but for the Braves history of injuries i DO NOT want him!
The Real Truth
At least Acta isn’t putting up with it, and strives to give the fans that follow that team the best possible pitchers out of the pen. Good for him, too many other Nationals Managers have set back and did nothing.
April 28th, 20095:16 pm
Bobbys Cox big deal. So we got turned down by a trade. Whats your point?
DOB takes sedatives before the game to calm himself down.
Chipper “does the best he can”? Dude has lead all of ML Baseball in hitting over the past three seasons.
April 28th, 20095:18 pm
I have to assume that DOB either hasn’t received the lineup yet, or he hasn’t been able to stop laughing at it long enough to post it.
Lowe vs. Peavy vs. Burnett
April 28th, 20095:20 pm
April 28th, 20095:21 pm
Hmm…Is someone from either team hurt, cause why would it take this long for lineups. Unless they are having a players meeting or something,but still.
April 28th, 20095:22 pm
I agree w/ what you said about sample size not being everything…
Steve, the reason ppl are advocating for Schafer to hit leadoff is pretty obvious…If you can’t see that, maybe you need to get out of the sun, wake up and smell the coffee, and insert whatever other ridiculous metaphor you can think of.
Anyone else get a thrill from seeing Buddy shake off two pitches in a 3-1 count to go after Pujols? You can never defend yourself from Pujols, but he can’t always defend himself from you. Buddy really showed some resolve, too bad he doesn’t have great stuff
I have stated on here several times that 2009 would be a repeat of 2008, and that the players and pitchers didnt matter as long as Bobby and his coaches were managing and coaching this team.
I have seen nothing to change my mind.
April 28th, 20095:23 pm
Let’s face it folks, now that we have moved out of fantasy league status where everyone we sign is going to do great, and we see exactly what we have, the sad news is that the Braves are mediocre at best. The bullpen is a mess that badly needs a quality lefty and some reliable injury free long relief. There are only 2 quality big bats, one of which is injury prone, and the other guys are unable to manufacture runs. Sorry, but this is going to be another long year. To top it all Bobby seems to be losing the plot – a more aggressive risk taker is going to be needed to get the best out of these guys and light some fires. Last night’s game was another example of a lackluster performance that will drive fans away.
April 28th, 20095:24 pm
While certainly not scientific, everyone who watches their favorite team knows who they want up in pressure situations and those you don’t. Some guys you know are going to be an easy out and others even if they don’t always come through are going to battle. Whoever can bat closest to their normal batting avg. or in some cases slightly higher with the pressure on is “clutch.” When the adrenaline rises it’s fight or flight! Most run or “choke”, but some more than others seem to be able to stay and fight or perform.
April 28th, 20095:26 pm
To any and all who are making up their own batting orders:
Kotchman is is no way, shape or form a No. 2 hitter. With a runner on 1st & less than 2 outs, he is a GIDP waiting to happen. And if he happens to get on base, it will probably take 3 hits to score him.
He can’t run, he doesn’t hit for power and he gets most of his hits when it doesn’t matter all that much. And ya’ll want to give him more ABs than anyone else on the team except the leadoff hitter? Really?
With McCann out and KJ slumping, there aren’t many decent choices for either leadoff or cleanup. If Schafer was hitting better, it would be a reasonable choice to move him to leadoff, hit Kelly somewhere in the middle of the order and drop Kotchman near the bottom, which is where he deserves to be.
Kotchman neither drives in nor scores runs. He does not need to be hitting 4th and certainly should not be hitting 2nd. Unfortunately, there is no one on the active roster who has any business hitting cleanup.
Since Kelly isn’t doing much where he’s hitting, maybe this would work:
If BJones is in LF, too many lefty hitters near the bottom of the order. There are going to be flaws with any batting order the Braves might use, but having Kotchman hitting 2nd or 4th just makes the problems worse.
Today’s poll question: For $10 million, who would you rather have — GAnderson & Kawakami or Raul Ibanez & Hansen?
April 28th, 20095:28 pm
What the is wrong w/ WordPress today?!
Ok I’m going to be stunned on this on fact(If KJ starts). Kelly has as many hits against Lohse as Prado does but KJ has 10 AB and Prado has 3 AB against him. Prado could’ve had a lucky day but facts are facts. Slump or not I’d have Prado in there tonight,
April 28th, 20095:29 pm
Anderson and KK….Kawakami is going to be great. Give GA a shot. If not…Ibanez isnt the answer
Since WordPress is being screwy looks like I have to break up my post into pieces…
April 28th, 20095:30 pm
I don’t blame KJ at all for not hitting. As I recall, early in the season He had a great day at the plate, something like 3 for 4…or 4 for 5 with a HR. The next day, B.Cox sits him. ????? I don’t get it. Made NO sense. At least now he gets to play everyday.
As for Matt Diaz. He STINKS, he should NOT be in the majors. Batting and Defense stinks. Its like watching AJones (his last season and a half with the Braves), swinging at pitches low(in the dirt) & away. Swinging at pitches that seem to reach the dugout for god sake…HE swings at them. NO pitch recognition whatsoever.
J. Schafer should get a chance to steal a base “when” he does get on, before the pithers tries to lay down a sac. bunt. Have him steal second base then lay down a sac bunt and move him over to third.
Regardless, they DO need to try and steal way more often…period.
And Steve, the reason ppl are advocating for Schafer to hit leadoff is pretty obvious…If you can’t see that, maybe you need to get out of the sun, wake up and smell the coffee, and insert here whatever other ridiculous metaphor you can think of!
April 28th, 20095:31 pm
Prado at 2nd and Infante at SS
April 28th, 20095:32 pm
Steve, the reason ppl are advocating for Schafer to hit leadoff is pretty obvious…If you can’t see that, maybe you need to get out of the sun, wake up and smell the coffee, and insert here whatever other ridiculous metaphor you can think of.
April 28th, 20095:35 pm
Atlanta’s…..sh%$#@@@@ with Mr. moron Cox$%%##@@@@@@
We got a power hitting first baseman in AAA Barbaro Canizares who can flat out hit, i would like to see them bring him up and if anything put him out in LF, if klesko could play LF he can too
April 28th, 20095:37 pm
Your solution to minimizing double plays is hitting Escobar, the most DP prone hitter on our team, 2nd? Escobar hit into a team high 24 last year and he currently leads the team with 3.
April 28th, 20095:39 pm
Corky Miller sighting on WGN
April 28th, 20095:40 pm
Actually I believe that was 26 DP’s but you were close
I myself like Yunel and think he’d do better in the 2-hole if Kelly wasn’t in the leadoff spot…that being said, I do believe at this time its necessary to move him down the order as well given his struggles w/ getting the ball off the ground.
April 28th, 20095:41 pm
Schuster allowed a hit. http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/apr/28/schusters-no-hit-bid-still-alive/news-breaking/
Lillibridge sighting too
April 28th, 20095:42 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Your lineup sucks and when it is all said and done, you will be looking up at the Nats in the division. Every single team in the NL East has power hitters, and speed except the Braves. And it is because your ownership is too cheap to go out and spend a little money on the team to make it competitive. Your GM shot his wad on starting pitching. Yes, they are going to be good, but you can’t expect them to throw shut outs every night so your team can win by 1 run because they other team walked the winning run in. That is going to wear down your starters because they are going to start getting mad pitching all these gems just to lose because the offense can’t score runs. It is hilarious watching your starters throw 90 pitches by the 5th inning, and the opposing pitcher only at about 50 or 60 pitches by the 7th inning. I am surprised no one’s thrown a complete game against the Braves. Talk about no patience at the plate! Wren SHOULD have given Hanson the 5 spot, and let Reyes or Morton battle it out for #4. Kawakami straight up sucks!! And you people thought the Braves had a chance this year! HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!! Kochman as the cleanup? Really? Oh it’s going to be a looooonnnnggg season for the Braves and I am going to enjoy every minuet of it. By the way, it is already being speculated that the Mets will be in on Holliday (I think they will) and that the Mets probably will be in on Ordonez come trade deadline time. What will the Braves do? NOTHING!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA…because you can’t AFFORD it, you can’t AFFORD it!!! You all should start watching a real team like the Mets and forget about the Braves because you aren’t going to have a winning season for a lOOOOOONNNNGGG time!! Cox won’t even change the batting order!!!!
P-Town, I’m not saying you’re wrong, but baseball-reference (which certainly isn’t immune to being wrong) says Escobar hit into 24 last year. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/escobyu01-bat.shtml
April 28th, 20095:45 pm
I saw that Schuster kid on first take doing an interview and seemed like kind of a douche. I mean, it’s definitely impressive but c’mon, it’s high school.
Coach (2010 or bust)
April 28th, 20095:47 pm
Somewhere right now, Steve in Ohio is flipping out.
Dave O’Brien, dude. Well said. All in all, this just may be the slowest Braves team that the city of Atlanta, Georgia has ever seen in 44 years of professional baseball.
If ya’ll don’t get the enormity of this statement, then grab a shovel and start digging because you’re dead already and so are our Braves if they cannot start generating runs.
Back during the fourteen season playoff run, those teams (for the most part) ran like crazy. Otis Nixon, Deion Sanders, Marquis Grissom, Kenny Lofton and Rafael Furcal fueled the running game all the way from 1991 to 2005. The last four seasons (including this one) our Braves have resembled a beer league softball team on the base paths. This is not the way that baseball is supposed to be played.
Frank Wren and Bobby Cox and the rest of the front office are responsible. Gentlemen, ya’ll are sucking eggs right now.
April 28th, 20095:50 pm
You know what people who talk about having more money than other people are? Douchebags.
April 28th, 20095:52 pm
DLowe is starting to look like a bargain. Peavy looked awful in the WBC and Burnett never wanted to be a #1 starter. I’ll take what we have. Starting pitching for the most part has been very solid.
April 28th, 20095:55 pm
D*mnit! Why did you have to be the guy to beat me to calling that *sshole a douchebag…WHY LoL
Oh, and really, I hope they enjoy Matt Holliday…he can put on a Teixeira like performance, play them right out of the playoffs, and never go back there again.
Then again, wouldn’t the A’s want some talent in return for them? Last I heard the Muts have a bunch of stiffs down in the minors…
We are getting nothing from KJ in the leadoff spot. Why not let Schafer lead off? maybe that sparks him, kelly and the team. Can’t hurt. Put KJ in the 5 slot, Put Infante in left and get his bat in the lineup. DO SOMETHING!!! oh wait, B. Cox is the coach. nevermind, he won’t do anything except cheer louder from the corner of the dug out.
April 28th, 20095:56 pm
Ptown..The one and only Corky Miller was on baseball tonight….a few nights ago
Lineup out yet?
Frank from KS
April 28th, 20095:57 pm
To add to Coach’s post..
the Braves also had guy’s do the little things to win…(Belliard, for example).
April 28th, 20095:59 pm
PWHjort, tell Red Sox (or Yankees) fans that David Ortiz isn’t a better clutch hitter than, say, oh, Alex Rodriguez.
I don’t care who on this board thinks I’m a douche, your team sucks plain and simple. Long live the Mets!!!!
April 28th, 20096:00 pm
our pitchers are terrible bunters…..
3B C. Jones
2B K. Johnson
P pitcher of the day
April 28th, 20096:01 pm
Can someone wake up Bobby Cox from his nap so he can fill out the lineup card.
Thanks in advance
You have got to be kidding about the lack of hitting. I believe when someone is hot and doing the job put him in there. A good example is Martin Prado who was batting .360 and then put on the bench in favor of Kelly Johnson who is hitting a robust .203. Like I said before Josh Anderson should be playing center field while Schafer gets some experience down in Gwinnett. It also would not hurt putting Infante in for who is slumping at times. As far as Diaz goes he is a terrible fielder so if he is not hitting he is a big load to carry. It looks right now that Francouer is starting a slump so giving him a day off once in a while would not hurt.
Memo to Bobby: Stop managing by the book! It worked fine in the 90’s, but guess what…things change. Teams get faster, relief pitchers actually throw strikes, and some lefties actually hit left-handed pitchers better. Use the skills (?) that they’re paying you to use not a worn-out reputation. Maybe it’s time for the Braves front office to make a change, too. Peace.
ABravesFan, when you make your comment at 4:46 p.m.: “DOB, lineup should be posted, let’s hear it,” you obviously don’t realize I’m in the clubhouse and not seeing your request, nor capable of posting from there?
If they post it before I go down to clubhouse at 3:40, I can get it posted here. if they don’t, I can’t post it until I get back from clubhouse.
I’m back from clubhouse.
1. Omar Infante, 2B
2. Escobar, SS
3. Chipper, 3B
4. Kotchman, 1B
5. Francoeur, RF
6. Diaz, LF
7. Schafer, CF
8. Ross, C
9. Reyes, LH
April 28th, 20096:04 pm
DOB re: your 5:59 p.m. post
Ahhh…don’t ya mean..A-Fraud?
April 28th, 20096:05 pm
Regardless of all the b!tching, I don’t think this team is that bad. Could be wrong, but the team still has a very good starting rotation and a bullpen that should get better once Moylan, Soriano, and Gonzo progress through the season and we start bringing up guys like Medlen & Hanson.
KK has very good stuff and he’s only going to get better. Allowing 3 runs through 5 isn’t all that bad, but I see him being able to get stretched out longer and with better location as the year goes on too.
The lineup? Just needs some tweaking. We need to get Schafer running and utilize his speed. Whether it’s now (which i do believe he can’t hit leadoff now) or later when he’s able to get on base more by striking out less, this lineup will benefit from his speed. I still think the lineup needs another solid .300 doubles hitter or so, and yes that means starting Infante or Prado and benching KJ long term or trading him for a reliever. If GA ever comes back fully healthy, he’ll bring home runners in scoring position like we had planned when we signed him.
All is not lost, but the lineup needs to be tweaked 1st and foremost, and that is what’s getting so frustrating. For years now we’ve had players who are streaky, and a team concept to hack away and swing for the fences. Guys need to change their approach and string together hits, and make pitchers work, while moving runners up stations. It’s really that simple.
April 28th, 20096:06 pm
Good enough for me. Not sure why Ross hits so low in the lineup when he is our homerun hitter, lol. But good for you Bobby…about a series or two…too late…but we’ll take it.
Mac’s hitting third tonight for Myrtle Beach.
Helluva lineup, or at least the middle is. In some order, McCann, Freeman, Heyward and Cody Johnson.
April 28th, 20096:07 pm
My bad DOB.
Nice to see Omar with the start and leading off.
I hate when people cite the batting average on the first pitch.Such as: “Player X hit .380 on the first pitch, and .250 down 0-1, so he’s a better hitter on the first pitch.” I feel it’s like saying “he hits .500 on a 3-0 count”, so he should probably swing at that pitch every time too.
Dumb logic. That first pitch batting doesn’t include times the player swings and misses, or fouls off a ball. All those show up in other count’s numbers. 90% of the time, player’s are going to “hit” better with more balls in the count than strikes, that is obvious.
April 28th, 20096:08 pm
Oh boy, that’s a lineup that’ll strike fear into the opposition.
April 28th, 20096:09 pm
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: As long at Kelly Johnson and Matt Diaz are everyday players the Braves will not be contendors. They are nice role players, but not MLB calibur every day players on offense or defense.
Anyone who has watched Lowes last 15 starts and still doesnt rate him as a number 1 is a bovine drongo EOFS
My preferred line-up
7. Brandon Jones
9. Dude who walks to the mound
Play Prado 2nd base……. he deserves a shot
April 28th, 20096:10 pm
You could even put Rossy at 5 and scroll the rest down 1 spot if you like
Lets go JoJo tonight
April 28th, 20096:11 pm
And with Kelly in there it’s so much more scary?
Holliday is going no where if Toronto keeps winning…And btw, you’re pretty gutsy talking smack a week before the Braves/Mets square off.
April 28th, 20096:12 pm
“9. Dude who walks to the mound”
Your saying your wanting Bobby to hit eighth?
Hey DOB, since the season has started has Kelly taken any flyballs in left?
Curious to see how Bobby plays this if Infante continues to produce.
April 28th, 20096:13 pm
It becomes really sad when our Single-A affiliate has more (MUCH more) power in the middle of its lineup than the MLB Braves do…
Very sad indeed!
April 28th, 20096:14 pm
When your arguement is that your team is better because they have more money, then your arguement is weak.
I can almost guarantee you that Kelly will be back in the lineup by tomorrow or Friday, even if Infante should go 8 for his next 8.
April 28th, 20096:15 pm
Did I miss something? Standings say the Mets are 9-10… just like the Braves. At the very least, shouldn’t you wait until the Mets are a game better? Hey, maybe it’ll happen tonight, but I just don’t get the smack talk when your team has the same exact record as the team you are bashing.
I dont think Big Albert is going to be as quiet tonight….what do you think?
April 28th, 20096:16 pm
bats trade answer: Greg Olsen – catcher
April 28th, 20096:17 pm
By the way Mets you are counting on two guys you dont have. The way Toronto is playing you will NOT get Halladay. While the Braves are going to have two pitchers in the 2nd half (Hanson and Hudson) who they actually have signed.
April 28th, 20096:18 pm
Do you think that the fact that the last few times Jordan’s led off an inning he’s made it on base is going to encourage Bobby soon enough?
Mfin with JO JO no way.
Ya know, a lot of teams that started off hot have come back to the pack a bit.
Look at the Cubs….they’re now 8-8.
April 28th, 20096:19 pm
The old jeff is back….lol
April 28th, 20096:20 pm
Hakuna I dont know if it is a sign but Schafer has moved from the 8 spot to the 7 spot. I personally dont understand why you would put a rookie in the 8 spot. He will get see no good pitches. Hard for a rookie to suceed there.
You all do realize that Omar Infante is a career .261 hitter with an OPS nearly 100 points lower then Kelly’s right? Oh, and he’s hit 35 HRs in 8 years. Total. Not trying to trash Omar (really, I like the guy) but he may not be the savior some of you are hoping for.
Van the Man
April 28th, 20096:21 pm
Listening to the new Dylan now too. Liking it! How about some more discussion on the great Van Morrison?
ca…we can pull barry bonds numbers out as well…
Is it just me? My page 3 of this blog, is half DOB/Carroll-gray on the left half of the posts, including the name, and white on the right. I feel as though I’m trying to hit in the sunlight, but the pitcher is in the shade. Anyone else? I haven’t seen anyone else comment on it.
April 28th, 20096:22 pm
But some stats aside, right now we need a lead off guy, not a power hitter. At least not hitting 1st, if KJ was hitting lower I’d say POWER to yah. I personally think if anyone should start over KJ it should be Prado, but I think Omar needs a little more playing time.
April 28th, 20096:23 pm
As much as I enoyed your Celtics run to the championship last season, their season right now is OVAH tonight. :>)
I would not mind seeing this lineup:
4.) C. Jones
5.) B Mac
I know that a lot of people including Chipper would not like to see him in the four slot. That puts speed at the top and balances the lineup.
April 28th, 20096:24 pm
Hmm. Aside from the K’s Rasmus really ain’t no better than Schafer. I mean that giving props to Jordan. They have the same amount of hits, Jordan just has more AB, and more RBI.
April 28th, 20096:25 pm
Meant to say McCann’s hitting third for Myrtle tonight, not fourth. According to Pendleton.
CABraves I agree. Omar is great sub, but he just isnt an everyday player. I think the same as Prado. The only problem with Kelly is he is batting leadoff and he isnt a leadoff hitter.
Same on mine too.
April 28th, 20096:27 pm
ABravesFan: I’ve not seen Kelly Johnson take a fly ball in the outfield in a long time. Certainly haven’t seen it this year.
April 28th, 20096:28 pm
I am talking about MATT Holliday from the A’s. And the Mets are not concerned about the Braves. That lineup doesn’t strike fear into anyone and probably couldn’t hit our single A team. You will get the tar beat out of you, and I predict a three game sweep in favor of the Mets. You will get outscored 30-1 in a three game set.
April 28th, 20096:29 pm
I agree that Kelly should be hitting lower in the lineup. I think Kelly would agree that Kelly should be hitting lower in the lineup. He has said he doesn’t like hitting leadoff but he does it because there is nobody else (at least until they feel comfortable putting Jordan there)…can’t fault a guy for that. And personally I don’t think Prado is a better option at 2nd.
Frank from KS-
I’m not actually a Celtics fan. I like Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce is a SoCal kid so I pull for him as well. And I hate the Lakers so it is always fun to see their hated historical rival win.
April 28th, 20096:30 pm
DOB: The big problem of the Braves is Bobby and Pendelton together, Boby keep the slumpy players in the line-up and the one who produces in the bench, one time it was Andrew now is Kelly and so will be in the future, and on top of that he doesn’t like to play small ball and with this mediocre ofense team he has to do it, in other hands Teryy has proven he is not capable to fix anybody slump, call Don Baylor and offer him the job.
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