Yes Braveheart…I already saw that when you posted it last year. I was talking about his defense, just how some players become steady with the bat as they age, which shows a huge improvement over their younger days in the minors, which you and many here like to hold against some players. Again, I think hitters get better as they age, where you and others think they’re a product of their minor league numbers.
Really, stop being so petty with your arguments. Now you’re starting to sound like Random.
And yes Steve, consistency is very important. (BobbysCox)
consistently mediocre is just mediocre and you are out of your mind on about half of those 2nd basemen. Geez man get a grip. A little realism never hurt anybody Ekstein? OMG.
I’m sorry, I’m still a bit woozy from annihilating that wall with my head. Could you repeat that? And bring a few units of blood, I’m a bit low right now from….uh, what was I just doing again? I heard something about consistency and David Eckstein and I passed out.
I’m being petty? You’re the one who said you’d rather have Eckstein, Lopez, Sanchez and a bunch of other scrubs over KJ. Dude, that was petty. But I’ve gotta give you credit on Nelson Cruz. Based on that, maybe you;re right with prado.
But, since you brought up this anecdotal evidence about this one game in the first week by Eckstein, did you happen to watch the three games KJ played a large part in winning for the Braves in the first week?
Halfway down pg. 3 into pg. 4. It’s got nothin’ on any of N8’s fine offerings but it’s too much from me for my tastes. At least I didn’t tell him to “shut his damn pie hole.”
Wait a second, David Eckstein? Felipe Lopez? Freddy F***in Sanchez?!?!?!
I mean, is he really that bad? Really????
You say you like KJ when he is “on”, but then you say you’ll take those three over him? Why? Just because they are consistent? Consistently bad. Yes, they certainly are that.
Braveheart, you really are a funny dude. Love sparring with you. I’m still sticking with Eckstein.
And thanks on the Nelson Cruz thing. You can tell he’s just a solid hitter. Not sure if you’ve seen him hit much. He doesn’t pull off pitches and hits it where it’s pitched. He’s taken a few tough pitches most guys couldn’t handle, low & in, and has twice driven them to the wall in strait away CF, which will fly over in the summer months. Dude’s got pop.
And yes, I have the same feeling with Prado. Could be wrong, but I think the Braves need his bat. His inside out swing will prevent long slumps. He also likes to go deeper into counts. He can turn on a pitch. He’s right handed. His defense will become like it was in 2006 with more playing time. The Braves need those things. When Kelly is on, no one on the Braves can compare. But a little steadiness would really help the offense.
that’s right Efrim…that’s exactly what I’m saying. I want to watch a team that can hit and score consistently and doesn’t make amateur pitchers look like Walter Johnson. I mean, you do realize that with these starting pitchers, scoring a few runs everday can lead to victories right?
“Considering the three-year, $23 mill guaranteed contract the Braves gave Kawakami, I’d dare say they can, and will, go on for quite some time before “trying something else.””DOB
Sure it’s early. But at what point are you “compounding” a poor decision with another, by keeping the guy on the roster BECAUSE of a contract?
I’m not jumping you for this DOB, but that’s the problem with guaranteed contracts in MLB. In the NFL, if Kawakami kept this up, he’d not only be riding the pine mid-way through the season, but he might be looking for work. Instead, he’ll get the ball every 5th day, and Braves fans will pray we score 8-10 runs those days.
Like I said, it’s early. I’ll cut him SOME slack. But nothing about him has impressed me. What I “read” about him at the time of the deal impressed me. The youtube clip of him striking guys out in Japan was impressive. But we have yet to see that guy.
Hard to believe that the Braves weren’t willing to “gamble” 5 million dollars on Smoltz, but had no problem throwing 23 milliond dollars and a rotation spot to Kawakami for the next three years. Makes Derek Lowes 60 million dollar deal look like a bargain bin deal, based on results so far.
i think there might be a little too much worry about kawakami. the guy hasnt dazzled yet, but he had 3 ok starts before this one. its one start, and he got knocked around in a small ball park by a pretty good hitting team. im pretty confident kawakami can finish this year with a better than .500 winning %.
“im pretty confident kawakami can finish this year with a better than .500 winning %.”DAP
Sure he can. But will his ERA be below 6.00?? Will the team have to claw back into every game he starts? He looks like an expensive long-relief guy to me. Not any more impressive (if fact less) than Campillo and Buddy were last year. 23 million over 3 years, huh? Hmm.
I don’t know when Freddy Sanchez became a scrub. I know there are a lot of teams out there that would love to have him as there 2nd baseman. If Sanchez has been consistenly bad please show me? The man batted .271 last year after two straight seasons of batting over .300 and is currently looking like that guy and batting .351 last year. Where has he been consistenly bad? Oh I know, this team loves to wait on that 3 run homer that occasionaly comes around so waiting out the inconsistencies on a guy like KJ is better than a consistantly good hitter.
Great to see Ellsbury steal home – wonderful baseball.
A thought on bringing up Hanson, those people proposing that, have you looked at his pitch count? He has not been able to get out AAA batters without running up the pitches, what makes you think that he will be effective in the majors at this point in his development? Not to say that he can work this out and become better, but for the moment I think he would be over matched in the majors.
Stands back and waits for diatribes about how Hanson is the Braves saviour…..
Depends if Osgood shows up or not, my man. So far so good, but I’m not too confident playing the Sharks (or whoever wins the East) in a seven game series with Conklin in net, no matter how decent he’s been this season.
Don’t worry Jake, KJ’s consistency is a problem. If you remember last year, KJ and the Braves acknowledged his consistency, or lack thereof. KJ said he needed to be more consistent. That was before September when he consistently hit very well.
Hopefully this post gets Steve to pick up the bottle
Kelly’s a prime example of what most of our guys are. He’s really streaky, doesn’t have a ton of power, and isn’t very good at stealing bases. Add that to Kelly’s fielding exploits and, well, that’s why people get sick of him. It would be a hell of a lot easier for some to stomach Kelly at second if we had more consistent hitters (and more consistent power) on the team.
Anyway, Prado could only start at second over Kelly if he were a plus defender and a plus speed guy. He isn’t. I’d like to see what he could do at second for a while, but barring injury, this won’t happen. Therefore, we’re just going to have to ride Kelly’s hot streaks and try not to tear our eyes out when he’s ice cold or kicks the ball around.
Jake, Freddy Sanchez put up a Frenchy like .298 OBP and a .371 SLG last season. Frenchy’s career was basically put on life support for putting up those numbers.
David Eckstein comparable to KJ? No, really. As Johnny Mac would say, “You can not be serious!”
I mean, you can’t be. No way. You just can’t be.
Eckstein, whose RBI totals in the past three seasons were 23, 31 and 27. A guy with a .712 career OPS and .361 slugging percentage — a guy who has NEVER slugged as high as .400 in eight full major league seasons.
You’re comparing him to a guy, Kelly Johnson, who entered with season with a .356 career OBP (five points higher than powerless Eckstein, by the way), but who has slugged .457 and .446 in his two full seasons in the majors, while totaling 65 doubles, 16 triples, 28 homers and 137 RBI in 2007-08.
Eckstein had 70 extra-base hits (seven homers) and 81 RBI in 1,258 at-bats during 2006-08. Kelly had 133 extra-base hits (37 homers) and 177 RBI in 1,358 career at-bats before this season.
Haha. From the text message site run heap run linked:
(212): guess who was drunk and crawling in the middle of the road and got brought home by the police last night? HINT: ME
I don’t know when Freddy Sanchez became a scrub. I know there are a lot of teams out there that would love to have him as there 2nd baseman. If Sanchez has been consistenly bad please show me? The man batted .271 last year after two straight seasons of batting over .300 and is currently looking like that guy and batting .351 last year. Where has he been consistenly bad? (Jake W)
not sure that Sanchez is the one in that group of BobbysCox 2nd basemen who was being considered a scrub. He’s been a pretty good hitter most of the time since he started playing regularly really only missing on HR power. But some of those guys are…well let’s just say less than ideal replacements for KJ.
That is not consistent. That is streaky like Johnson. He had a lot of at-bats in July and especially September and stunk up the place and was hot in August (in May, he had just 2 at-bats.)
The reason why everybody (including me) is concerned with Kenshin Kawakami is; will the Braves keep him around becaise of his contract. Tommy Hanson appears ready. I would hate to keep him in the minors because of economic reasons.
HA:
(805): Dude?? where did you go after Wildcats last night? Last I heard you went off with one of the girls we danced with?
(1-805): Negative – This is his GF, Bobby is in Jail for a DUI. Thanks for the info.
Hey Nolie, I’m only speaking for Sanchez. I don’t believe he should be grouped in with those other guys.
And Braveheart Sanchez hit .271 last year and has never been counted on to be a power threat as thats not his game. He was people call a table setter for power guys like Jeff. Thats like the Braves being dissapointed with Renteria those years when he was here because he didn’t give us 20 hrs. If hitting .271 is his down year i’ll take it.
When did 33 become a lot? Although he did have 82 in Sept he like all the other Braves faced mainly Mets and Phillies pitching, which were in a playoff race.
Now overall in terms of power KJ wins hands down. I think in terms of the prototypical 1 or 2 hitter Prado wins hands down.
And honestly right now with Kelly hitting so low how is it hurting the team in having Prado start, not a platoon or anything but to either give Kelly a break or just take some pressure off him.
For a bench guy, 33 is a lot. It was only one less than he had in April 2008 (34), and April 2008 was the month where he got his third most at-bats out of the seven months the Braves played baseball in that year.
DOB, I’ve tried to ask you this 3 times over the past two days and have gotten no response. I know you have a lot of posts to read and can only respond to a few, so I’ll just keep on trying.
Have you heard of or seen the band called “RLA”? They played in a lot of places in ATL, but mostly Smith’s Old Bar and the Roxy a couple of times. Were in a lot of publications as a band to keep an eye on as they were bringing true rock back to Atlanta. Would just like to know what your thoughts were on them if you’ve heard them. Thanks!
I just happened to wander over to Yahoo! a minute ago and found an interesting picture on that Talking Chop blog. It’s the fifth picture as you scroll down.
And Braveheart Sanchez hit .271 last year and has never been counted on to be a power threat as thats not his game. He was people call a table setter for power guys like Jeff. (JAKEW)
Don’t know where you’ve been eating, but when I’ve got a table setter with a .298 OBP who presents no threat to steal a base, I too often find myself eating off the un-swept, un-mopped floor with my bare hands.
Is it me, or is Kawakami not throwing that cutter that much like we all saw on the YouTube video? If he is, it’s cutting right to the sweet spot of the guys bat. In the video you can see it jam the hitters like crazy and his curve was so much sharper than we’ve seen with us. It’s not that big of a deal if he’s getting a couple mil. because he was only brought in as a #4, but for $7M, he’s starting to get on some of our nerves.
In bench terms maybe yes, BUT a bench player isn’t always consistent. Thus you can’t really compare their monthly stats to those of an everyday player. If you must though. Kelly did only have an OPS of .661 in July so I guess both of them weren’t as good in July, but neither was the whole team. Hopefully this year will be different.
Now if KJ hit 6th,7th,8th many people wouldn’t have this conversation. He’s just too inconsistent for lead off, not for playing.
Heck I’ve sat here before…about 2 yrs ago…wondering why he got platooned when other guys were stinking it up worse than him playing everyday, but they’ve since come around.
of course he’s a better hitter than Marteen and with more power too, and 10 times as good defensively at first. Not even close between a choice of the two at first. sigh.
Some posted Prado’s splits last year. He hit .190 coming off the bench, but hit like .340 in his 40 something starts and with nearly 70 AB RISP. If you don’t think Martin can handle playing everyday, then look at the number with RISP. Shows he can handle pressure situations pretty well.
By the way, Gregor Blanco is hitting .179 (12-for-67) with two doubles, 17 strikeouts, three RBI, a .257 OBP, a .209 slugging percentage and a .466 OPS in 16 games at Gwinnett.
“Hard to believe that the Braves weren’t willing to “gamble” 5 million dollars on Smoltz, but had no problem throwing 23 milliond dollars and a rotation spot to Kawakami for the next three years. “- N8
That is an interesting discussion for a day other than when KK gets lit up to end a win streak-
Sentiment aside, if Smoltz is still Smoltz on June 1, is $5M for four months of him a better deal than $23M ($7.7M/yr) for a #4-5 starter who wins 50% of his games (another assumption at this point)?
I was defending KK (before today) as doing a serviceable job. I did not see the game (Little League can trump MLB), but not sure that folks aren’t reading too much into this start in Cincy. I’m still remembering his first start in ATL- 8K, 2R in 6IP.
Hey Nolie, I’m only speaking for Sanchez. I don’t believe he should be grouped in with those other guys. (JAKE)
yeah I know Jake. Freddy had a mediocre year last season, but seems to be bouncing back. He was not much of a table setter last season with that OBP under .300, but I’m betting that was an aberration. Not sure I’d pay in prospects to have him over JK/MP though.
I’ve been eating at the down year table that Frenchy and Freddy ate at last year. I mean does KJ present a threat to steal? Sanchez had a bad year last year just like Frenchy. No one is trying to make what he did last year look pretty. I’m just saying if hitting .271 is going to be his down year i’ll take that over a .239 hitting year that Frenchy had. Still its hard to compare the two. Frenchy was counted on to be a guy that drove in runs when people were on base because of his power. And as I said Freddy looks to be back to his old ways prior to that down year while KJ looks like he is also getting back to his old ways which does not bode well for the Braves.
Why are some of ya’ll bashing Kelly right now? Has he cost us a game recently that I’m missing? Yeah, he’s in a slump, what else in new! Nobody really hits except Chipper when we go in these funks anyways. So why single KJ out?
This is why analyzing every players struggles/hot streaks is pointless. Nobody can predict when a guy like KJ will break out again, or when Kawakami finds his “soul”…whatever that means. Every team has a Kelly for the fans to bash, so we’ve got tons of company.
I personally like Eckstein. Do I love his numbers? No. He has been hurt a few times in his career which has hurt his numbers. He’s one of those guys who played through some injuries and therefore his numbers suffered. Would I like to see Eckstein playing second for the Braves today? Nope. His career is on the downswing even if he still shows some flashes.
Does Eckstein hit for power? No. Is Eckstein gonna drive in a ton of runs? No. Will he be a hall of famer or ever post eye-popping numbers.
No and No.
He is a winner though. One thing he has that it is doubtful that KJ will ever have. That would be a World Series MVP trophy. There are lots of guys who can flash the numbers but never seem to be able to contribute at the right time to be able to flash a World Series ring.
Steve: Thanks a lot. Could you possibly have taken a more unflattering photo? I look like someone just rubbed skunk oil under my nose.
By the way, if you look close enough, you could see the Steve Earle and In-N-Out burger stickers on my laptop. Other than that, I’m completely disgusted by the photo.
Let’s just hope that when Martin gets his chance, he doesn’t pull a Doug Johnson. Dougie looked darn good that one preseason, but then he got his chance, and, oh boy, I’ve never see QBing that bad. Well, that’s not true, the Falcons got Kittner-ed that year as well. But at least Dougie and Kittner weren’t as inconsistent at QB as that dogkiller.
As for Johnson, he is cold and as such the hate has started.
For any hitter not named Chipper, the support for that player starting everyday varies here week-by-week.
Look at the comments about Francoeur last year and in the offseason. Not in APRIL, all is peachy keen…at least until he (hypothetically) struggles big in May.
Look at the comments here about Schafer and KJ after the first ten games. Up until Schafer recently got hot, comments like “I miss Anderson” and “send him to AAA” were frequent.
KJ is cold, Prado is hot in 19 ABs, so people want Prado. But don’t kid yourselves, when KJ gets hot again or Prado struggles, it’ll be reversed.
yeah I know Jake. Freddy had a mediocre year last season, but seems to be bouncing back. He was not much of a table setter last season with that OBP under .300, but I’m betting that was an aberration. Not sure I’d pay in prospects to have him over JK/MP though. Nolie
Oh i’m not advocating we get him, I was just responding to an earlier post by Braveheart that said name another NL 2nd basemen besides Uggla, Philips, Utley, and Hudson that would be better than KJ. KJ has the upside on power but SAncez has the avg. I also think for this team it would be better to have another right handed bat which is what Sanchez is. Sometimes its just the situation and the fact is, is that the Braves are a little left hand dominate in terms of hitting.
Wet blanket, no doubt Eckstein contributed big-time to the Cardinals’ World Series. He was voted the series MVP, actually. I covered that series, and he was solid.
But the question was comparing Eckstein to Johnson now. Not in a postseason series a few years ago. Over the course of a full season, right now. And it’s not even close.
Plenty of unsung guys have come up huge in postseason series. Eckstein was on a team that didn’t need him to hit for any power or drive in any runs. He was a consummate role player on that Cardinals team. The Braves, as currently constructed, need much more than that from their 2B.
Andy Fox has got himself a World Series ring too. Boy was a winner with them 96 Yanks. Brought all them Yankee winning ways with him to Arizona, Florida, Montreal, and Texas. Yep, he did. Oh, what’s that? He didn’t? Probably didn’t because he was a 6′5″ middle infielder and not 5′5″ like little Davey. No, that’s not it, either? Just didn’t have great teammates to take him along for a great ride like lil’ Davey, you say? B.S., I say.
random question from the blue eyed, half Swedish, 30 year old single girl that loves sports…do you happen to know where the Braves stay when they are in LA?
I’m kinda disappointed you don’t wear a leather jacket in the box. Even on 80 degree days. I mean, how would any of us ever recognize you at a game? lol
Once again who’s hating on KJ. No one(or at least I)ever said the guy sucks or he is the worst 2nd baseman or something. Its just that the guy goes on these streaks and they reach such valley’s and peaks. What so wrong with giving Prado a chance as he can’t do much worse than KJ right now. You’re certainly not gonna take KJ out when he’s hot so now is the chance. Just give the guy a chance to prove whether he is good or bad. I know I never said Prado was going to be a god send. It just would be nice to see what he could do. Only thing definitive is the results and till he gets his chance people can make Prado the bext big thing since Chipper, but I don’t see most realistic people doing that.
random question from the blue eyed, half Swedish, 30 year old single girl that loves sports…do you happen to know where the Braves stay when they are in LA?
Que the (with cretin voice, mind you) “hey DOB, give her my address, he he he” posts…
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Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
9:39 pm
Yes Braveheart…I already saw that when you posted it last year. I was talking about his defense, just how some players become steady with the bat as they age, which shows a huge improvement over their younger days in the minors, which you and many here like to hold against some players. Again, I think hitters get better as they age, where you and others think they’re a product of their minor league numbers.
Really, stop being so petty with your arguments. Now you’re starting to sound like Random.
Jake W.
April 26th, 2009
9:39 pm
I know Steve, it’s hard defending a man who can make Casper’s disappearing skills seem so amateur.
And DOB if you’re out there what do you think? Would you take Sanchez of the pirates or our very own KJ?
Moby Grape
April 26th, 2009
9:41 pm
And yes Steve, consistency is very important. (BobbysCox)
consistently mediocre is just mediocre and you are out of your mind on about half of those 2nd basemen. Geez man get a grip. A little realism never hurt anybody Ekstein? OMG.
Steve from OH
April 26th, 2009
9:44 pm
I’m sorry, I’m still a bit woozy from annihilating that wall with my head. Could you repeat that? And bring a few units of blood, I’m a bit low right now from….uh, what was I just doing again? I heard something about consistency and David Eckstein and I passed out.
Moby Grape
April 26th, 2009
9:46 pm
Hey STEVE, what page is that previously mentioned rant on, I’m kinda interested in reading it since it’s a different approach for you
Braveheart
April 26th, 2009
9:46 pm
I’m being petty? You’re the one who said you’d rather have Eckstein, Lopez, Sanchez and a bunch of other scrubs over KJ. Dude, that was petty. But I’ve gotta give you credit on Nelson Cruz. Based on that, maybe you;re right with prado.
But, since you brought up this anecdotal evidence about this one game in the first week by Eckstein, did you happen to watch the three games KJ played a large part in winning for the Braves in the first week?
Steve from OH
April 26th, 2009
9:51 pm
[Sighs]
Halfway down pg. 3 into pg. 4. It’s got nothin’ on any of N8’s fine offerings but it’s too much from me for my tastes. At least I didn’t tell him to “shut his damn pie hole.”
Jeff321
April 26th, 2009
9:53 pm
For those outside the Atlanta/St. Louis Markets — You can see the Braves tomorrow night on ESPN @ 7pm Eastern.
Jeff321
April 26th, 2009
9:59 pm
Jacoby Ellsbury just stole home!
PWHjort
April 26th, 2009
9:59 pm
Now THATS something you don’t see every day. Ellsbury just stole home.
Run Heap Run
April 26th, 2009
10:00 pm
Could Boston BE more obnoxious. Ugh. Anybody but these two. And I do mean anybody.
Efrim
April 26th, 2009
10:01 pm
Wait a second, David Eckstein? Felipe Lopez? Freddy F***in Sanchez?!?!?!
I mean, is he really that bad? Really????
You say you like KJ when he is “on”, but then you say you’ll take those three over him? Why? Just because they are consistent? Consistently bad. Yes, they certainly are that.
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:01 pm
Braveheart, you really are a funny dude. Love sparring with you. I’m still sticking with Eckstein.
And thanks on the Nelson Cruz thing. You can tell he’s just a solid hitter. Not sure if you’ve seen him hit much. He doesn’t pull off pitches and hits it where it’s pitched. He’s taken a few tough pitches most guys couldn’t handle, low & in, and has twice driven them to the wall in strait away CF, which will fly over in the summer months. Dude’s got pop.
And yes, I have the same feeling with Prado. Could be wrong, but I think the Braves need his bat. His inside out swing will prevent long slumps. He also likes to go deeper into counts. He can turn on a pitch. He’s right handed. His defense will become like it was in 2006 with more playing time. The Braves need those things. When Kelly is on, no one on the Braves can compare. But a little steadiness would really help the offense.
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:02 pm
wow to Ellsbury. Like to see that more in baseball.
Dan
April 26th, 2009
10:03 pm
Oliver Perez lit up AGAIN as Mets lose to Nationals.
Perez ERA: 9.31
Oh yeah, we should have gotten him.
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:03 pm
Did you know Ty Cobb stole home 54 times in his career.
He also stole 2nd, 3rd, and home in the same inning 6 times in his career….
Unbelievable
Steve from OH
April 26th, 2009
10:05 pm
Efrim, when I regain feeling in my forehead I might be inclined to agree with you.
I seem to recall some team called the Penguins winning at something called “hockey?” Congrats.
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:05 pm
that’s right Efrim…that’s exactly what I’m saying. I want to watch a team that can hit and score consistently and doesn’t make amateur pitchers look like Walter Johnson. I mean, you do realize that with these starting pitchers, scoring a few runs everday can lead to victories right?
N8
April 26th, 2009
10:06 pm
“Considering the three-year, $23 mill guaranteed contract the Braves gave Kawakami, I’d dare say they can, and will, go on for quite some time before “trying something else.”” DOB
Sure it’s early. But at what point are you “compounding” a poor decision with another, by keeping the guy on the roster BECAUSE of a contract?
I’m not jumping you for this DOB, but that’s the problem with guaranteed contracts in MLB. In the NFL, if Kawakami kept this up, he’d not only be riding the pine mid-way through the season, but he might be looking for work. Instead, he’ll get the ball every 5th day, and Braves fans will pray we score 8-10 runs those days.
Like I said, it’s early. I’ll cut him SOME slack. But nothing about him has impressed me. What I “read” about him at the time of the deal impressed me. The youtube clip of him striking guys out in Japan was impressive. But we have yet to see that guy.
Hard to believe that the Braves weren’t willing to “gamble” 5 million dollars on Smoltz, but had no problem throwing 23 milliond dollars and a rotation spot to Kawakami for the next three years. Makes Derek Lowes 60 million dollar deal look like a bargain bin deal, based on results so far.
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:06 pm
Steve,
Are you drunk tonight? Cracking me up man…
DAP
April 26th, 2009
10:06 pm
i think there might be a little too much worry about kawakami. the guy hasnt dazzled yet, but he had 3 ok starts before this one. its one start, and he got knocked around in a small ball park by a pretty good hitting team. im pretty confident kawakami can finish this year with a better than .500 winning %.
Steve from OH
April 26th, 2009
10:08 pm
Nope, but if I read the word “consistAnt” one more time I just might start, lol.
Naw, the Steve you see here is the Steve you get.
Steve
April 26th, 2009
10:10 pm
Are you drunk tonight?
I don’t know because I’ve been drinking all night.
N8
April 26th, 2009
10:11 pm
“im pretty confident kawakami can finish this year with a better than .500 winning %.” DAP
Sure he can. But will his ERA be below 6.00?? Will the team have to claw back into every game he starts? He looks like an expensive long-relief guy to me. Not any more impressive (if fact less) than Campillo and Buddy were last year. 23 million over 3 years, huh? Hmm.
Efrim
April 26th, 2009
10:13 pm
Steve from OH, thanks. They aren’t as good as last year(Penguins), but they still have a shot to get to the Cup Finals……
….and get their doors blown off by the Red Wings.
Run Heap Run
April 26th, 2009
10:14 pm
Speaking of drunk…this site is hilarious.
http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/
Jake W.
April 26th, 2009
10:14 pm
I don’t know when Freddy Sanchez became a scrub. I know there are a lot of teams out there that would love to have him as there 2nd baseman. If Sanchez has been consistenly bad please show me? The man batted .271 last year after two straight seasons of batting over .300 and is currently looking like that guy and batting .351 last year. Where has he been consistenly bad? Oh I know, this team loves to wait on that 3 run homer that occasionaly comes around so waiting out the inconsistencies on a guy like KJ is better than a consistantly good hitter.
Steve McP
April 26th, 2009
10:17 pm
Great to see Ellsbury steal home – wonderful baseball.
A thought on bringing up Hanson, those people proposing that, have you looked at his pitch count? He has not been able to get out AAA batters without running up the pitches, what makes you think that he will be effective in the majors at this point in his development? Not to say that he can work this out and become better, but for the moment I think he would be over matched in the majors.
Stands back and waits for diatribes about how Hanson is the Braves saviour…..
Steve from OH
April 26th, 2009
10:19 pm
Depends if Osgood shows up or not, my man. So far so good, but I’m not too confident playing the Sharks (or whoever wins the East) in a seven game series with Conklin in net, no matter how decent he’s been this season.
Jake W.
April 26th, 2009
10:20 pm
Oh wow, you’re so fanny Steve. I mean on a blog of all places how dare i spelll anything wrong. Well unlike KJ, at least i’m consitant.
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:21 pm
Don’t worry Jake, KJ’s consistency is a problem. If you remember last year, KJ and the Braves acknowledged his consistency, or lack thereof. KJ said he needed to be more consistent. That was before September when he consistently hit very well.
Hopefully this post gets Steve to pick up the bottle
Chop Chop
April 26th, 2009
10:22 pm
Kelly’s a prime example of what most of our guys are. He’s really streaky, doesn’t have a ton of power, and isn’t very good at stealing bases. Add that to Kelly’s fielding exploits and, well, that’s why people get sick of him. It would be a hell of a lot easier for some to stomach Kelly at second if we had more consistent hitters (and more consistent power) on the team.
Anyway, Prado could only start at second over Kelly if he were a plus defender and a plus speed guy. He isn’t. I’d like to see what he could do at second for a while, but barring injury, this won’t happen. Therefore, we’re just going to have to ride Kelly’s hot streaks and try not to tear our eyes out when he’s ice cold or kicks the ball around.
Steve from OH
April 26th, 2009
10:22 pm
Oh wow, you’re so fanny Steve.
Thank yew, thank yew. I’ll be here all week, folks. I also do birthdays (for a nominal fee, of course).
Braveheart
April 26th, 2009
10:22 pm
Jake, Freddy Sanchez put up a Frenchy like .298 OBP and a .371 SLG last season. Frenchy’s career was basically put on life support for putting up those numbers.
David O'Brien
April 26th, 2009
10:22 pm
David Eckstein comparable to KJ? No, really. As Johnny Mac would say, “You can not be serious!”
I mean, you can’t be. No way. You just can’t be.
Eckstein, whose RBI totals in the past three seasons were 23, 31 and 27. A guy with a .712 career OPS and .361 slugging percentage — a guy who has NEVER slugged as high as .400 in eight full major league seasons.
You’re comparing him to a guy, Kelly Johnson, who entered with season with a .356 career OBP (five points higher than powerless Eckstein, by the way), but who has slugged .457 and .446 in his two full seasons in the majors, while totaling 65 doubles, 16 triples, 28 homers and 137 RBI in 2007-08.
Eckstein had 70 extra-base hits (seven homers) and 81 RBI in 1,258 at-bats during 2006-08. Kelly had 133 extra-base hits (37 homers) and 177 RBI in 1,358 career at-bats before this season.
PWHjort
April 26th, 2009
10:22 pm
Haha. From the text message site run heap run linked:
(212): guess who was drunk and crawling in the middle of the road and got brought home by the police last night? HINT: ME
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:23 pm
Hanson needs more time. But Medlen might be ready.
nolie
April 26th, 2009
10:23 pm
I don’t know when Freddy Sanchez became a scrub. I know there are a lot of teams out there that would love to have him as there 2nd baseman. If Sanchez has been consistenly bad please show me? The man batted .271 last year after two straight seasons of batting over .300 and is currently looking like that guy and batting .351 last year. Where has he been consistenly bad? (Jake W)
not sure that Sanchez is the one in that group of BobbysCox 2nd basemen who was being considered a scrub. He’s been a pretty good hitter most of the time since he started playing regularly really only missing on HR power. But some of those guys are…well let’s just say less than ideal replacements for KJ.
Steve
April 26th, 2009
10:23 pm
Prado consistent?
2008
March: .250 OPS
April: .885 OPS
May: 1.000 OPS
July: .699 OPS
August: 1.103 OPS
September: .654 OPS
That is not consistent. That is streaky like Johnson. He had a lot of at-bats in July and especially September and stunk up the place and was hot in August (in May, he had just 2 at-bats.)
Chop Chop
April 26th, 2009
10:23 pm
I’m just glad the most consistent analyst in the history of baseball is consistently with us on Sunday nights.
Rob from SC
April 26th, 2009
10:25 pm
The reason why everybody (including me) is concerned with Kenshin Kawakami is; will the Braves keep him around becaise of his contract. Tommy Hanson appears ready. I would hate to keep him in the minors because of economic reasons.
Steve from OH
April 26th, 2009
10:25 pm
[Calling Bay Area Steve]
S-OH: Spare a scotch for a friend?
BAS: Define “friend.”
S-OH: Uh, me. Your buddy, Steve!
BAS: [Hangs up].
S-OH: [Bangs head repeatedly into concrete wall].
PWHjort
April 26th, 2009
10:28 pm
HA:
(805): Dude?? where did you go after Wildcats last night? Last I heard you went off with one of the girls we danced with?
(1-805): Negative – This is his GF, Bobby is in Jail for a DUI. Thanks for the info.
Steve
April 26th, 2009
10:29 pm
UPCOMING SERIES
Piñeiro vs. Jurrjesns, Advantage: Braves
Lohse vs. Reyes, Advantage: no one. Lohse sucks but Reyes will probably give up his usual five runs.
Wainwright vs. Vázquez, Advantage: no one. Both good so far this season.
Braveheart
April 26th, 2009
10:30 pm
Pettitte just picked Prado off ….. okay, that was petty
Efrim
April 26th, 2009
10:31 pm
Bobby’s, you didn’t perhaps want Jon Garland instead of Javier Vasquez this past offseason, did you?
Jake W.
April 26th, 2009
10:31 pm
Hey Nolie, I’m only speaking for Sanchez. I don’t believe he should be grouped in with those other guys.
And Braveheart Sanchez hit .271 last year and has never been counted on to be a power threat as thats not his game. He was people call a table setter for power guys like Jeff. Thats like the Braves being dissapointed with Renteria those years when he was here because he didn’t give us 20 hrs. If hitting .271 is his down year i’ll take it.
bravos2249
April 26th, 2009
10:31 pm
Steve
When did 33 become a lot? Although he did have 82 in Sept he like all the other Braves faced mainly Mets and Phillies pitching, which were in a playoff race.
Now overall in terms of power KJ wins hands down. I think in terms of the prototypical 1 or 2 hitter Prado wins hands down.
Chop Chop
April 26th, 2009
10:33 pm
Kelly Johnson just committed twenty errors in the top of the seventh against the Yanks.
(I do believe you’ve been owned, Braveheart.)
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:34 pm
You’re right DOB, i’ll just keep comparing Prado to Kelly Johnson. The Prado who has higher career BA, OBP, SLG, and OPS figures than Johnson
FlaBravesFan1
April 26th, 2009
10:35 pm
Chop Chop that should be Anal yst
bravos2249
April 26th, 2009
10:35 pm
And honestly right now with Kelly hitting so low how is it hurting the team in having Prado start, not a platoon or anything but to either give Kelly a break or just take some pressure off him.
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:35 pm
Efrim, no I wanted Vasquez.
Chop Chop
April 26th, 2009
10:35 pm
I’m sure they’re partying down by the banks of the Miccosukee Canal after Brad Keselowski’s big win at Talladega.
C's
April 26th, 2009
10:35 pm
Boy, the bandwagon has been on a bumpy ride so far this season. What with all of the people jumping on and off, on and off, on and off……
Steve
April 26th, 2009
10:36 pm
For a bench guy, 33 is a lot. It was only one less than he had in April 2008 (34), and April 2008 was the month where he got his third most at-bats out of the seven months the Braves played baseball in that year.
PWHjort
April 26th, 2009
10:36 pm
Steve, Lohse has been off to a great start.
Ugaman
April 26th, 2009
10:39 pm
DOB, I’ve tried to ask you this 3 times over the past two days and have gotten no response. I know you have a lot of posts to read and can only respond to a few, so I’ll just keep on trying.
Have you heard of or seen the band called “RLA”? They played in a lot of places in ATL, but mostly Smith’s Old Bar and the Roxy a couple of times. Were in a lot of publications as a band to keep an eye on as they were bringing true rock back to Atlanta. Would just like to know what your thoughts were on them if you’ve heard them. Thanks!
Chop Chop
April 26th, 2009
10:39 pm
I just happened to wander over to Yahoo! a minute ago and found an interesting picture on that Talking Chop blog. It’s the fifth picture as you scroll down.
Braveheart
April 26th, 2009
10:39 pm
And Braveheart Sanchez hit .271 last year and has never been counted on to be a power threat as thats not his game. He was people call a table setter for power guys like Jeff. (JAKEW)
Don’t know where you’ve been eating, but when I’ve got a table setter with a .298 OBP who presents no threat to steal a base, I too often find myself eating off the un-swept, un-mopped floor with my bare hands.
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:40 pm
OH-Steve,
Everyone knows BA-Steve doesn’t like to share his alcohol…
Steve
April 26th, 2009
10:41 pm
The Prado who has higher career BA, OBP, SLG, and OPS figures than Johnson
In 348 at-bats. Not even a full season’s worth.
Dumbfounded
April 26th, 2009
10:43 pm
If Cox can send Jeff Franceour back to the minors, He can send Kelly Johnson !!!!!
TnBrian
April 26th, 2009
10:43 pm
Is it me, or is Kawakami not throwing that cutter that much like we all saw on the YouTube video? If he is, it’s cutting right to the sweet spot of the guys bat. In the video you can see it jam the hitters like crazy and his curve was so much sharper than we’ve seen with us. It’s not that big of a deal if he’s getting a couple mil. because he was only brought in as a #4, but for $7M, he’s starting to get on some of our nerves.
bravos2249
April 26th, 2009
10:43 pm
Steve
In bench terms maybe yes, BUT a bench player isn’t always consistent. Thus you can’t really compare their monthly stats to those of an everyday player. If you must though. Kelly did only have an OPS of .661 in July so I guess both of them weren’t as good in July, but neither was the whole team. Hopefully this year will be different.
Now if KJ hit 6th,7th,8th many people wouldn’t have this conversation. He’s just too inconsistent for lead off, not for playing.
Heck I’ve sat here before…about 2 yrs ago…wondering why he got platooned when other guys were stinking it up worse than him playing everyday, but they’ve since come around.
nolie
April 26th, 2009
10:43 pm
Kotchman is not better hitter than Prado (MF)
of course he’s a better hitter than Marteen and with more power too, and 10 times as good defensively at first. Not even close between a choice of the two at first. sigh.
Steve
April 26th, 2009
10:44 pm
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/106792/IMG_0905.JPG
Picture of Bowman and DOB (middle row)
Efrim
April 26th, 2009
10:44 pm
“i’ll just keep comparing Prado to Kelly Johnson. The Prado who has higher career BA, OBP, SLG, and OPS figures than Johnson”
Plate appearances? But you know Prado would eventually do better, don’t you?
Sigh, I am heading to the bar after that last “Prado” (note: An insane comment will now be referred to as a “Prado”).
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:47 pm
Steve,
Some posted Prado’s splits last year. He hit .190 coming off the bench, but hit like .340 in his 40 something starts and with nearly 70 AB RISP. If you don’t think Martin can handle playing everyday, then look at the number with RISP. Shows he can handle pressure situations pretty well.
David O'Brien
April 26th, 2009
10:47 pm
By the way, Gregor Blanco is hitting .179 (12-for-67) with two doubles, 17 strikeouts, three RBI, a .257 OBP, a .209 slugging percentage and a .466 OPS in 16 games at Gwinnett.
Braveheart
April 26th, 2009
10:47 pm
Kelly Johnson just committed twenty errors in the top of the seventh against the Yanks. (I do believe you’ve been owned, Braveheart.) (CHOP CHOP)
Nah, man, I think my mistaking Nick Green for Prado was the greater insult
Small Sample Size Insanity
April 26th, 2009
10:48 pm
OMG Prado is at .368!!!!1
Chipper is lower!!!!1
Prado is better for this season!!!!1
Mark in PA
April 26th, 2009
10:48 pm
“Hard to believe that the Braves weren’t willing to “gamble” 5 million dollars on Smoltz, but had no problem throwing 23 milliond dollars and a rotation spot to Kawakami for the next three years. “- N8
That is an interesting discussion for a day other than when KK gets lit up to end a win streak-
Sentiment aside, if Smoltz is still Smoltz on June 1, is $5M for four months of him a better deal than $23M ($7.7M/yr) for a #4-5 starter who wins 50% of his games (another assumption at this point)?
I was defending KK (before today) as doing a serviceable job. I did not see the game (Little League can trump MLB), but not sure that folks aren’t reading too much into this start in Cincy. I’m still remembering his first start in ATL- 8K, 2R in 6IP.
nolie
April 26th, 2009
10:49 pm
Hey Nolie, I’m only speaking for Sanchez. I don’t believe he should be grouped in with those other guys. (JAKE)
yeah I know Jake. Freddy had a mediocre year last season, but seems to be bouncing back. He was not much of a table setter last season with that OBP under .300, but I’m betting that was an aberration. Not sure I’d pay in prospects to have him over JK/MP though.
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:49 pm
DOB looks like he just read my comment about Eckstein in that photo…
Chop Chop
April 26th, 2009
10:49 pm
Nick Green is proven. Prado isn’t. Prado encapsulates all of our hopes and dreams. Nick Green has proven that he can’t fulfill them.
Jake W.
April 26th, 2009
10:50 pm
I’ve been eating at the down year table that Frenchy and Freddy ate at last year. I mean does KJ present a threat to steal? Sanchez had a bad year last year just like Frenchy. No one is trying to make what he did last year look pretty. I’m just saying if hitting .271 is going to be his down year i’ll take that over a .239 hitting year that Frenchy had. Still its hard to compare the two. Frenchy was counted on to be a guy that drove in runs when people were on base because of his power. And as I said Freddy looks to be back to his old ways prior to that down year while KJ looks like he is also getting back to his old ways which does not bode well for the Braves.
Jeff321
April 26th, 2009
10:50 pm
I like Prado but let me know when he gets 107 hits like Kotchman did in the first half of 2008.
Mark
April 26th, 2009
10:51 pm
Picture of Bowman and DOB
NICE GLASSES!
TnBrian
April 26th, 2009
10:51 pm
Why are some of ya’ll bashing Kelly right now? Has he cost us a game recently that I’m missing? Yeah, he’s in a slump, what else in new! Nobody really hits except Chipper when we go in these funks anyways. So why single KJ out?
This is why analyzing every players struggles/hot streaks is pointless. Nobody can predict when a guy like KJ will break out again, or when Kawakami finds his “soul”…whatever that means. Every team has a Kelly for the fans to bash, so we’ve got tons of company.
Wet Blanket
April 26th, 2009
10:52 pm
I personally like Eckstein. Do I love his numbers? No. He has been hurt a few times in his career which has hurt his numbers. He’s one of those guys who played through some injuries and therefore his numbers suffered. Would I like to see Eckstein playing second for the Braves today? Nope. His career is on the downswing even if he still shows some flashes.
Does Eckstein hit for power? No. Is Eckstein gonna drive in a ton of runs? No. Will he be a hall of famer or ever post eye-popping numbers.
No and No.
He is a winner though. One thing he has that it is doubtful that KJ will ever have. That would be a World Series MVP trophy. There are lots of guys who can flash the numbers but never seem to be able to contribute at the right time to be able to flash a World Series ring.
In your court now.
David O'Brien
April 26th, 2009
10:53 pm
Steve: Thanks a lot. Could you possibly have taken a more unflattering photo? I look like someone just rubbed skunk oil under my nose.
By the way, if you look close enough, you could see the Steve Earle and In-N-Out burger stickers on my laptop. Other than that, I’m completely disgusted by the photo.
Braveheart
April 26th, 2009
10:55 pm
Let’s just hope that when Martin gets his chance, he doesn’t pull a Doug Johnson. Dougie looked darn good that one preseason, but then he got his chance, and, oh boy, I’ve never see QBing that bad. Well, that’s not true, the Falcons got Kittner-ed that year as well. But at least Dougie and Kittner weren’t as inconsistent at QB as that dogkiller.
Bobby's Cox
April 26th, 2009
10:55 pm
Braveheart’s was more of an insult. Felt a piece of my heart missing when I read it. Sorry Chop Chop.
TnBrian
April 26th, 2009
10:56 pm
It’s alright Dave. You could be Kruk sitting next to you? He looks like he just ate the entire “In-N-Out” restaraunt!
Mark
April 26th, 2009
10:56 pm
As for Johnson, he is cold and as such the hate has started.
For any hitter not named Chipper, the support for that player starting everyday varies here week-by-week.
Look at the comments about Francoeur last year and in the offseason. Not in APRIL, all is peachy keen…at least until he (hypothetically) struggles big in May.
Look at the comments here about Schafer and KJ after the first ten games. Up until Schafer recently got hot, comments like “I miss Anderson” and “send him to AAA” were frequent.
KJ is cold, Prado is hot in 19 ABs, so people want Prado. But don’t kid yourselves, when KJ gets hot again or Prado struggles, it’ll be reversed.
Jake W.
April 26th, 2009
10:57 pm
yeah I know Jake. Freddy had a mediocre year last season, but seems to be bouncing back. He was not much of a table setter last season with that OBP under .300, but I’m betting that was an aberration. Not sure I’d pay in prospects to have him over JK/MP though. Nolie
Oh i’m not advocating we get him, I was just responding to an earlier post by Braveheart that said name another NL 2nd basemen besides Uggla, Philips, Utley, and Hudson that would be better than KJ. KJ has the upside on power but SAncez has the avg. I also think for this team it would be better to have another right handed bat which is what Sanchez is. Sometimes its just the situation and the fact is, is that the Braves are a little left hand dominate in terms of hitting.
PWHjort
April 26th, 2009
10:59 pm
Guys, 5 million dollars isn’t what the Red Sox are paying Smoltz. If Smoltz is on the active roster from June 1-October 6 he’ll make 10.5 million.
PWHjort
April 26th, 2009
10:59 pm
So would you rather have 4 months of Smoltz at 10.5 million or 6 months of Kawakami for 7.33 million? I’ll make my decision after the season.
David O'Brien
April 26th, 2009
10:59 pm
Wet blanket, no doubt Eckstein contributed big-time to the Cardinals’ World Series. He was voted the series MVP, actually. I covered that series, and he was solid.
But the question was comparing Eckstein to Johnson now. Not in a postseason series a few years ago. Over the course of a full season, right now. And it’s not even close.
Plenty of unsung guys have come up huge in postseason series. Eckstein was on a team that didn’t need him to hit for any power or drive in any runs. He was a consummate role player on that Cardinals team. The Braves, as currently constructed, need much more than that from their 2B.
Run Heap Run
April 26th, 2009
11:01 pm
LMAO @ just the name “Small Sample Size Insanity” Funny.
And I can just tell DOB was reading blog comments by the face he’s making in that pic.
PW – I could submit several drunk texts to that site, both sent and received…funny how everyone loves to play with their phone when they get smashed.
Braveheart
April 26th, 2009
11:02 pm
Andy Fox has got himself a World Series ring too. Boy was a winner with them 96 Yanks. Brought all them Yankee winning ways with him to Arizona, Florida, Montreal, and Texas. Yep, he did. Oh, what’s that? He didn’t? Probably didn’t because he was a 6′5″ middle infielder and not 5′5″ like little Davey. No, that’s not it, either? Just didn’t have great teammates to take him along for a great ride like lil’ Davey, you say? B.S., I say.
Steve
April 26th, 2009
11:03 pm
Some posted Prado’s splits last year. He hit .190 coming off the bench, but hit like .340 in his 40 something starts and with nearly 70 AB RISP.
Oh goody, “clutch” stuff.
Considering Prado’s small sample size for his major league CAREER, I can’t even imagine in how many at-bats that’s in.
Next people will be saying Prado’s 19 at-bats in 2009 are how he’d hit in 600 at-bats in one year.
David O'Brien
April 26th, 2009
11:03 pm
Ugaman, I answered you earlier, but I see now that the comment got eaten. Sorry about that. Anyway, no, I’ve never seen or heard of the band RLA….
David O'Brien
April 26th, 2009
11:05 pm
Steve writes:
Picture of Bowman and DOB
NICE GLASSES!
Well, thanks, Steve. Or rather, THANKS!
cabravesfan
April 26th, 2009
11:06 pm
DOB-
random question from the blue eyed, half Swedish, 30 year old single girl that loves sports…do you happen to know where the Braves stay when they are in LA?
Run Heap Run
April 26th, 2009
11:08 pm
I’m kinda disappointed you don’t wear a leather jacket in the box. Even on 80 degree days. I mean, how would any of us ever recognize you at a game? lol
Jake W.
April 26th, 2009
11:09 pm
Once again who’s hating on KJ. No one(or at least I)ever said the guy sucks or he is the worst 2nd baseman or something. Its just that the guy goes on these streaks and they reach such valley’s and peaks. What so wrong with giving Prado a chance as he can’t do much worse than KJ right now. You’re certainly not gonna take KJ out when he’s hot so now is the chance. Just give the guy a chance to prove whether he is good or bad. I know I never said Prado was going to be a god send. It just would be nice to see what he could do. Only thing definitive is the results and till he gets his chance people can make Prado the bext big thing since Chipper, but I don’t see most realistic people doing that.
Braveheart
April 26th, 2009
11:09 pm
The face of that Japanese reporter in that photo looks it is saying why the hell am I following this clown and not following Ichiro, Matsui or Dice-K?
Steve from OH
April 26th, 2009
11:10 pm
random question from the blue eyed, half Swedish, 30 year old single girl that loves sports…do you happen to know where the Braves stay when they are in LA?
Que the (with cretin voice, mind you) “hey DOB, give her my address, he he he” posts…