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McFann Ô

April 26th, 2009
6:33 pm

Lew

Good. I’m still t’d at ‘im for covering it up, though. Call me morbid, but I wanted to check on the deer’s “progress”. And anyway, even if that technically not our property (not our neighbors’, either), it was my deer. I found it. He just went and poured lime all over my deer!

Original Jon

April 26th, 2009
6:33 pm

I am not sold on Kawakami at all. He must be having some problems adjusting the size of American baseballs or something, he does not look good at all. I wonder how much longer they let him go before bringing up Hanson or start fielding trade offers for him. He just doesnt convince me that he is major league ready.

varoadrunner

April 26th, 2009
6:34 pm

KJ is better in the 7 hole – put shafer on top and esco #2. The big deal is our starting pitching – both good and bad. Lowe, JJJ, Vazquez can win and gives us a great chance at winning. KK and #5 scare me. It’s a long season, we need a solid 4 & 5. Jojo looked good. Hanson might not be ready, but would it be that detrimental to his development at this level? (honest Q) We STILL NEED A LF. Maybe it’s too early, but diaz and Anderson just don’t seem to have it. B Jones might be a better choice. Fill the holes now before we fade into the sunset like last year.

varoadrunner

April 26th, 2009
6:37 pm

DOB

What’s the latest on Glavine or have I missed something?

buzzmeat

April 26th, 2009
6:40 pm

Did DOB every show his top 5 batting music today, I turned the game off after the 8-0 and not scoring the next inning…

AdirondackDave

April 26th, 2009
6:57 pm

Original Jon — I think you may be right about KK. I really don’t see how those guys from Japan can pitch with one size ball for 20 years and then in a matter of a month or two be expected to effectively compete with a larger (or smaller) ball. Just doesn’t seem sensible to me.

You’re wrong about Hanson though. I’ve seen him pitch 2 times this spring and I don’t expect instant stardom but he can keep the Braves in games consistently right now. However, I don’t expect to see him come up until July or whenever they re-set the arbitration/FA clock. Reyes, Morton, etc. will come up to replace Glavine if he’s finished and perhaps even KK if he doesn’t get his act together.

KC

April 26th, 2009
7:01 pm

Until Kawakami turns it around (if he does)… who in the world is going to make a trade offer for him???

Maybe he’s not putting enough of his “soul” into his pitches. =)

Once again, I think he’s got the stuff to succeed here. That, coupled with the command he’s shown throughout his career gave the Braves every reason to believe he could be effective over here. And he still can be, but only if he stops hanging sh!t belt high over the plate.

I’m still hopeful that he’ll come around, but I have to admit that I am worried about him.

Run Heap Run

April 26th, 2009
7:01 pm

I never saw it either, Buzz. And I was mostly paying attention to the whole game. He gave a list here on the blog one day last week before Boog and Joe started listing their lists (they steal discussion ideas from this blog, I’m sure of it lol) but I’m not sure he was serious with those pics. :lol:

flange1

April 26th, 2009
7:02 pm

Afternoon All,

Got to say after this many games, I am a bit disappointed in KJ and Matt Diaz. I really thought both would come out of the box hot, but both have really looked bad so far at the plate.

KJ is better suited to hitting lower in the order, but until JS is ready, I don’t see any other options.

I am beginning to question if Diaz is major league material. He did not hit last year before his injury, and he looks about the same now…

Being so unorthodox makes it hard for us to see if he is getting beat by the pitcher or just putting bad swings on everything.

I know Bobby likes his guys to play their way out of a slump, but I would hope to see B Jones against RH pitchers and Prado against LH’ers at least for a while..

Woogidy

April 26th, 2009
7:04 pm

Run Heap Run

April 26th, 2009
7:04 pm

Woo! I just sold an old all star game pennant for $60. I paid $3 for it. Apparently people collect those things because a ton of folks bid on it.

nolie

April 26th, 2009
7:04 pm

There seems to be a lot of uneducated bloggers on today. Is this normal? – (GRB Scott)

yep, we’re all a buncha dummies. Well, everybody but me and 10 or so others, but we’re so special we bring the board average almost all the way back up to normal. And believe me, that’s a tough assignment. 8)

David O'Brien

April 26th, 2009
7:07 pm

If Dustin Pedroia came up through the Braves organization, he’d still be a backup behind KJ. — Bobby’s Cox

So now you’re comparing Martin Prado to Dustin Pedroia, huh? OK, B.C. We know where you stand.

David O'Brien

April 26th, 2009
7:11 pm

varoadrunner: No, you’ve not missed anything. I said here Friday and again Saturday, that Bobby Cox said there was nothing new on Glavine, because the two-week rest period isn’t up yet, the period he’s taking before making any decision. That’s Tuesday, not that he necessarily will have any decision that day. But he wasn’t supposed to throw or test it again until then.

nolie

April 26th, 2009
7:14 pm

Never think a prostate exam is emasculating, being planted in a box and planted 6 feet under ground is emasculating. (Lou Vales)

weren’t they doing the blood test on you regularly?

Original Jon

April 26th, 2009
7:15 pm

Hey DOB, what is your opinion on Kawakami? Do you think that they give him the whole year to figure it out or do they move him to the 5th spot and bring up Hanson to plug in the 4 hole? Not sure if its too early to tell, but man, he sure seems hittable.

nolie

April 26th, 2009
7:16 pm

The team has taken on the personality of its manager–It has none. (Lou)

if you mean Fredi, he’s the guy everybody on here wants to replace Bobby.

bravos2249

April 26th, 2009
7:20 pm

DOB

I think Bobby’s Cox meant if we had a Pedroia, or even him. He believes he’d sit and Kelly would start. In other words unless someone is given a chance to play everyday you never know what they can bring to the plate. Until they are named a starter we have no clue if they could be a Pedroia or a Rafael Belliard.

David O'Brien

April 26th, 2009
7:21 pm

I’m not saying pitch tommy every game !! If you would look ! The Braves would have a better rotation with hanson at #5 DAMN IT !!!!!!!!!!!!! — Dumbfounded

How much better could they be today, given that the No. 5 starter has made a total of one start for the Braves this season.

The first through fourth starters have started all the other games, as planned. The Braves intended to use Glavine twice in April if he’d been the No. 5 starter. Instead, they’ve used Reyes once in the role, and will give Reyes the second No. 5 starter’s turn on Tuesday.

In hindsight, maybe they’d be better off if Hanson had started the four games that Kawakami started. But that’s really kind of irrelevant, isn’t it? I mean, they didn’t sign Kawakami to a three-year, $23 million contract to decide based on spring training results that he should be bumed to the No. 5 starter role after Glavine got hurt, and have Kawakami make two starts in April.

David O'Brien

April 26th, 2009
7:26 pm

Original Jon: I’ve not been too impressed by Kawakami, in answer to your question.

But it’s not as if Hanson is exactly throwing complete-game shutouts at Gwinnett to force their hand.

Braveheart

April 26th, 2009
7:31 pm

If the Braves had someone better at second, he’d be at second. When KJ came up, Giles, Furcal, Chipper, and Laroche were deemed better in the infield, so they sent KJ out to left. When they deemed KJ better, they sent Giles packing. The better guy plays. They know Prado better than any of us. They wanted Furcal to play second and to send KJ to left. So don’t kid yourself that they are so in love with KJ, they don’t consider better options. Clearly, their actions tell you they think Furcal is still better than KJ who is better than Prado.

buzzmeat

April 26th, 2009
7:34 pm

Kawakami has actually been good besides today, the ohter two losses he has no run support, hes making quality starts. In my opinon his two other losses (besides today’s) were better than the one WIN he had against the nationals!!!!

PWHjort

April 26th, 2009
7:34 pm

A very good point at 7:26 by DOB. He’s averaging only 5.16 innings/start. He’s got a WHIP of 1.11 and an ERA of 2.18. I mean, his numbers are very good, but it’s not like he’s guaranteed to step in and even be successful against major league hitters. This is just me talking, but he needs to straighten out his command issues if he’s having them and if he isn’t he needs to learn a bit more about how to approach hitters because he’s throwing entirely too many pitches.

buzzmeat

April 26th, 2009
7:35 pm

well spoken BraveHeart!!!!!!!

Couch Tater

April 26th, 2009
7:35 pm

Lou Vales,

Sorry to hear about your diagnosis and the associated stress. I just saw this article and thought I’d pass it along.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090426075456.htm

Metropolitan Man1

April 26th, 2009
7:37 pm

After watching the Nats and Mets series it has been determined that the Nats are horrible but that Zimmermann is tough. Their toughness cofused me after that braves and Nats series.

cabravesfan

April 26th, 2009
7:37 pm

Braveheart-

totally agree with your comments on KJ

Lou Vales

April 26th, 2009
7:38 pm

Nolie, Yes they were doing it regularly and it was never over 1.2. I’m 61. Went to my normal guy after noticing a symptom–some of you may be offended– he said to ignore it. I wanted to do a PSA 2 months early and he said no need. i said would you at least check the prostate, he spent about 35 seconds and said “perfect”. I couldn’t get past the symptom he told me to ignore and got a second opinion from one of 2 guys in SC who does Robotics. He was shocked wheni told him about guy telling me to ignore symptom. He checked my prostate for about 8 seconds!! and said you have a subtle lesion–this is why i love Oncologists/urologists. he said we are doing a biopsy. 12 needles in, 11 negative and only the 12th had about 15 % cancer cells. That is where he gets the 98% along with my great health–besides the prostate cancer–. I can’t believe I’m not saying the symptom because of the sensitivity of people in certain areas.

Jake W.

April 26th, 2009
7:44 pm

At his current pace KJ won’t be better than a whole lot of people for much longer no matter what anyone on the braves think.

And on the Hanson thing I said it earlier and i’ll say it again that the Braves made the right decision to start him at AAA. He’s yet to go deep in any of his games really and at the current time there is no need to rush him up. Now if we had had a start like the Nationals maybe but right now there no need for him. Let him work his stuff out in AAA and we will probably see him some time this summer.

Original Jon

April 26th, 2009
7:51 pm

DOB, I am with you on Hanson, not sure if he is ready enough to be brought up yet, but I just wonder how long they let KK go on like this without trying something else.

Tomas

April 26th, 2009
7:51 pm

The Braves overpaid for Kenshin Kawakami. He is an ok 4 or 5th starter, but he should get 4th or 5th starter kind of money(2-5 million per year). Well at least they’re willing to take risk, he may get better as he gets more comfortable who knows. Next year they could either trade Kawakami, or elect not to agree to Tim Hudson’s mutual option.

Run Heap Run

April 26th, 2009
7:53 pm

I’ve totally failed as a parent. I’m too embarrassed to even share the text exchange I just had with my daughter about the price of stamps and if the post office is open or not.

Frank from KS

April 26th, 2009
7:54 pm

Here’s Dice K’s stats from his first two seasons for the R. Sox from his Wilkapedia profile.

Year Age Team Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA lgERA ERA+ WHIP

2007 26 Boston AL 15 12 32 32 1 0 0 0 204.7 191 100 100 25 80 201 13 5 874 1 0 4.40 4.74 108 1.324
2008 27 Boston AL 18 3 29 29 0 0 0 0 167.7 128 58 54 12 94 154 7 5 716 1 0 2.90 4.62 159 1.324

He (Dice K) only won 15 games in 07 and rebounded quite nicely in 08 by winning 18.

Even tho Kawakami hasn’t not won every one of his starts, and pitched quite terrible in those starts at times and has had some bad luck…..give him some time. He might just surprise everyone one of us.

Metropolitan Man1

April 26th, 2009
7:54 pm

Why is anyone worried about the braves starting pitchng? Thats the strength and depth of the team correct? Starting pitching is a Mets and philthies problem. Anyway looks like the phithies might be the next team to get hot in the N.L. East with the Marlins and the braves being the first two. Lets see where that takes them. They are coming around early this year defending the crown.

Frank from KS

April 26th, 2009
7:58 pm

Met Man

Them Fightin’ Phils will come back down to earth too….just like the Fish have done.

Braveheart

April 26th, 2009
7:59 pm

At his current pace KJ won’t be better than a whole lot of people for much longer no matter what anyone on the braves think. (JAKEW)

Yeah, because I’d rather take this 20 game sample as an indicator of future performance (and really just the last 10 games) rather than his performance over the last two seasons that ranks him as one of the 10 best second baseman in the majors and top 4 second baseman in the NL. Utley, Uggla, Phillips, and Hudson are the only ones in the NL I’d take over him. Good luck naming some other NL second baseman you’d rather have that wouldn’t get you laughed off the blog.

Metropolitan Man1

April 26th, 2009
8:01 pm

Laughed at this comment after KK gave up the HR: My soul is in the stands, please don’t lose it. Hope KK’s translator doesn’t read the blog.

Original Jon

April 26th, 2009
8:02 pm

I for one am not too worried about the starting pitching, I just hope that KK can get comfortable before too long. He just didnt look good giving up those 8 runs today, but then again, neither did Bronson Arroyo yesterday. So i guess we shall see where KK stands come July.

Frank from KS

April 26th, 2009
8:02 pm

Braveheart

I’m one that wished the Braves would’ve went after Hudson.

Metropolitan Man1

April 26th, 2009
8:03 pm

Enter your comments here

Alfred E. Newman

April 26th, 2009
8:04 pm

Why is anyone worried about the braves starting pitchng?

What, me worry?

David O'Brien

April 26th, 2009
8:05 pm

Original Jon, re: your 7:51 post. Considering the three-year, $23 mill guaranteed contract the Braves gave Kawakami, I’d dare say they can, and will, go on for quite some time before “trying something else.”

Random

April 26th, 2009
8:05 pm

Doc Holiday (12:37 pm): “I think Bennett is the guy the braves can use to close out games that are………6-2 or 5-0 things like that. He can also come in when we are leading games in the 6 by 3 runs and 1 runner on………stuff like that………. I think you can trust him, but you have to use him cautiously. I have never made a single comment against this guy……..not 1, ever. I like what he brings for the braves, he is cheap and he eats tons of innings from the BP…….he is a warrior. You just cant ask him to perform like a superstar reliever.”

How many times you gonna make me agree with you today? (Agreed.)

Sadist.

;-)

Frank from KS

April 26th, 2009
8:05 pm

Hey R. Sox/Yanks on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball.

I wonder how they’ll top yesterday’s 16-11 pitchers duel.

Lol

Frank from KS

April 26th, 2009
8:08 pm

Salamander

April 26th, 2009
8:08 pm

Even if today’s game was a bummer for KK and the Braves:

(1) the Marlins are experiencing a cold snap, (2) the Phillies are resurgent (but giving up a ton of runs), (3) the Mets have played fairly mediocre baseball so far this year (when Santana isn’t pitching).

It would be nice if Albert ‘Braves crusher’ Pujols wasn’t coming to town. I have my doubts about whether this series with the Cardinals is going to pan out in the Braves’ favor.

Tomorrow’s game: Jurrjens vs. Pineiro is a key game to set the tone for the entire week. Jurrjens stepped up last game to throw shutout ball for 7.2 IP. I’m hoping he can duplicate his performance tomorrow (Albert lurking).

Plus we’ll get a up close look at Ludwick…

Metropolitan Man1

April 26th, 2009
8:09 pm

Frank from KS: If all NL East pitching continues to be sub par with the exception of a few, the bats will decide who goes to the playoffs to get shutdown against good pitching.

a643dp

April 26th, 2009
8:12 pm

DOB,

What is your opinion on the Hudson situation. With the 12M club option but the funky clause that allows Hudson to void it. Would it be in the Braves best interest to rush him back? If he comes back in August and goes 7-2 some team might consider giving him a 3/30 M contract. If we are slow with him until Sep. less likely somebody would risk that much cash in such a small sample size. Just a though?

Metropolitan Man1

April 26th, 2009
8:14 pm

Good luck with the Cards. I think they are in 2nd in errors and just keep winning. Larussa sure can manage.

Jake W.

April 26th, 2009
8:19 pm

Yes and surely Braveheart you have noted his inconsistencies in his time up here to right? I never called for KJ to be replaced by anyone but I did say I would like to see Prado given a chance. I mean you’ve taken Prado’s small sample size and held it against him. It’s hard to compare him against other 2nd basemen when he hasn’t really been given the chance to play. I said it earlier and i’ll say it again, we can’t afford to wait for KJ’s highs with the way our offense is constructed. He hits everything for a week then disapears for 2 or 3. To quote a post I said earlier, KJ would be one of the best offensive 2nd basemen in the game if he could find some consistency. The question is will he ever do it. I mean if he was so good there would be no question.

Original Jon

April 26th, 2009
8:19 pm

DOB, I suppose you are right about KK. I guess it will just take some time for him to get accustomed. Who knows, he may throw a complete game shut out next time out. Thanks for the feedback.

Braveheart

April 26th, 2009
8:22 pm

I wonder how they’ll top yesterday’s 16-11 pitchers duel. (FRANK IN KS)

KEYS TO THE GAME:

1. The Red Sox need to convert better in the red zone and not settle for 3 field goals again

2. The Red Sox need to do a better job in the protection game. Can’t give away points with your back to the end zone by allowing safeties.

3. The Red Sox need to continue to be effective defensively in the red zone. Holding your opponents to 3 field goals in 3 red zone trips is a recipe for success.

PWHjort

April 26th, 2009
8:24 pm

Haha. Nice one, Braveheart.

nolie

April 26th, 2009
8:28 pm

Even tho Kawakami hasn’t not won every one of his starts, and pitched quite terrible in those starts at times and has had some bad luck…..give him some time. He might just surprise everyone one of uFRANK KS)

yes he might improve, in fact I’m sure he will be regularly better that today at least. Realistically though, very very few Japanese players have come over here and really shone for any extended time. Considering that most all of them that come over here are regular all-star quality over there, only a few have had extended success here, so I don’t see the odds on KK becoming more than a bottom of the rotation (4-5) pitches as very high. Obviously since I’m a braves fan I hope he will succeed.

PWHjort

April 26th, 2009
8:29 pm

River Avenue Blues says the Red Sox have called up Michael Bowden (their top pitching prospect) and they’ll piggyback him with Masterson tonight because Francona cashed the bullpen over the past 2 days.

bravefaninok

April 26th, 2009
8:33 pm

Braveheart

April 26th, 2009
8:22 pm

I wonder how they’ll top yesterday’s 16-11 pitchers duel. (FRANK IN KS)

KEYS TO THE GAME:

1. The Red Sox need to convert better in the red zone and not settle for 3 field goals again

2. The Red Sox need to do a better job in the protection game. Can’t give away points with your back to the end zone by allowing safeties.

3. The Red Sox need to continue to be effective defensively in the red zone. Holding your opponents to 3 field goals in 3 red zone trips is a recipe for success.

lmfao….sweet post

nolie

April 26th, 2009
8:33 pm

Good luck naming some other NL second baseman you’d rather have that wouldn’t get you laughed off the blog. (BH)

well we all know that the answer is Marteen, the next Placido, who was also highly underrated for years at the start of his career with very similar numbers to Marteen. . Dontcha know nuttin’?

Bobby's Cox

April 26th, 2009
8:33 pm

DOB, that was a joke. But ya, I’m sure you remember from last year where I stand on the 2nd base debate.

My point wasn’t to compare Prado to Pedroia, initially. There are few players who play with the same passion and intensity as Pedroia. Prado is not one of them, nor is KJ. My point is, no matter how good Prado or Infante are, or how bad or inconsistent KJ proves to be, the Braves will be reluctant to make the move whereas the Red Sox wouldn’t. There’s no way a player THAT streaky would last in Boston. Likewise, there hasn’t been any way a player in as bad or with continual multiple slumps, like KJ, will be benched in Atlanta. Take that as you will. I’m a supporter of KJ when he’s on. Go back and read the blogs in the 1st week. He’s got a sweet swing with power when on. But this, the slumps, is just godawful and got tiresome 10 months yesterday.

Like I said, I didn’t mean to compare Prado to Pedroia, but now I will. If you look at Pedroia’s ROY stats, .317, .380, .442, 8 HR, 50 RBI, 47 BB….those are Prado-esque. I would never expect prado to outdo that, but I wouldn’t expect him to do worse either. The Braves still expect KJ to outdo those numbers, and look what we’ve got. What’s wrong with a second baseman with less power potential, who will put up solid numbers and help turn over the lineup?

Jake W.

April 26th, 2009
8:33 pm

And by the way Braveheart to answer your question about another NL second baseman i’ll take over him, that guy Sanchez in pittsburgh is pretty good and i’ll gladly take him over KJ and Prado.

Bobby's Cox

April 26th, 2009
8:39 pm

Petite comes awfully close to balking on those throws to 1st…

PWHjort

April 26th, 2009
8:40 pm

We should’ve traded for Nick Swisher.

ncscoots

April 26th, 2009
8:42 pm

nolie, I know you like Prado (and I do, too), but, you realize you’re throwing bread to the mob with the Polanco reference, right, LOL?

I admit, though, now that the comparisons have escalated to Pedroia, I am anxious to see where they might end up. I don’t think Charlie Gehringer is safe.

Tomahawkin

April 26th, 2009
8:44 pm

Looks like we got the later end of our Feast or Famine offensive output…

Well, After this Homestand we will see what kind of team the braves really have…

Kamakaze was due to have a bad outing and The Great American Smallpark was the perfect place for that to happen…

Kamakaze’s stats are misleading so far because He has gotten little to no run support every start…

All I gotta Say is that This team better get their A..ss’s Serious and come out Playing For real against the Cards and Mets…

If we come out playing like a AAA team (Inept Defense, Inept Baserunning skills, etc) we are gonna get our As..es Handed to us each and every night…

Aight, Gotta Go back to watching Old New York Undercover on Youtube…

David O'Brien

April 26th, 2009
8:46 pm

Peavy: Five innings, five earned runs, six hits, four walks today in another loss against Pittsburgh, this one at Petco.

He’s 2-3 with a 5.75 ERA.

How many still wish the Braves had given up Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez and the rest of the prospect package it would’ve taken to get Peavy and be on the hook for all the money left on his contract?

Randy

April 26th, 2009
8:50 pm

KAWAKAMI optioned to GWINNETT. Hanson called up. Jeff Bennett DFA’d.

Braveheart

April 26th, 2009
8:51 pm

Jake, honestly, KJ annoys the hell out of me. I actually like Prado more, but I also don’t believe Prado is anywhere near as good. It’s not really just the sample size in the majors, either. We’ve got those 2100 plate appearances in the minors as well for Martin. His SLG in the minors was barely better than Josh Anderson. The same was true for Mark Derosa as well, and maybe Martin can become a Derosa kind of guy in the majors. But he could also be like Wilson Betemit as well. Betemit and Derosa do have just about the same OPS for their respective careers, with the difference being that Derosa can sustain the performance over 500 plate appearances in a season, while Betemit likely can’t if exposed that much (but as we all painfully know Derosa couldn’t sustain that either when exposed that much at Betemit’s age). And I don’t really think Martin is as good as either one of those guys, although he does remind me of both.

nolie

April 26th, 2009
8:52 pm

nolie, I know you like Prado (and I do, too), but, you realize you’re throwing bread to the mob with the Polanco reference, right, LOL? (scoots)

little sarcasm never hurt anybody scoots. Gehringer might be safe along with Hornsby and Lajoie, but Maz,Doerr Fox and Herman are poppin up in my sights. They better watch out..

Bobby's Cox

April 26th, 2009
8:52 pm

Braveheart,

Are you sure you want my list of NL players I’d have instead of KJ, or would you rather have my list of players I’d rather not have than KJ? The latter would be shorter. Well here you go…have fun with it.

Utely, Uggla (who made less errors last year than KJ) Orlando Hudson, Freddie Sanchez, Felipe Lopez, Both Rockies Ian Stewart and Clint Barmes, little pesky Eckstein, Brandon Phillips (stolen bases), Skip Shumaker, That’s 10. Well, Prado an Infante too i guess, so 12.

Bobby's Cox

April 26th, 2009
8:59 pm

Braveheart,

I agree with you.. I don’t think Martin is as good either. Yet, however. I feel if he plays everyday, he will get better, and cut down on those mental errors, whereas our current option hasn’t really improved, nor has he shown he will.

Seriously, why does everyone keep bringing up Marteen’s minor league stats? Prado is 2 years removed from AAA where in his last year won player of the year for Richmond. He’s already a better player than he was in the minors with, as many Braves and DOB pointed out, has more pop.

When I talk about Prado, I talk more from a team concept. Is it better to have such a streaky player in such a streaky lineup, or would you rather go with the less powerful, steady .300 bat? I’m not so sure the lineup is better with KJ in it…well at least the KJ of the past 2 weeks, which is quite often.

Braveheart

April 26th, 2009
9:00 pm

You’d really take Sanchez over KJ, with Sanchez’s .669 OPS last season with hardly any walks, no stolen bases, no power? The year he won the batting title I’d take him, but Sanchez’s average has only been 7 points higher in 2007 and 2008 combined, while his SLG was 43 points lower, his OBP 40 points lower, his OPS 80 points lower. KJ, even with all of his maddening inconsistency is offensively worth about 20 more runs over 700 plate appearances than Sanchez.

Dumbfounded

April 26th, 2009
9:01 pm

You must remember, Kelly Johnson wasn’t even benched when he dropped that pop up last year against the Philly ! I was sure Bobby was going to bench him ! I should have known better ! But, Cox benched Andruw Jones in mid play for letting a ball drop ! And Cox didn’t Bench Diaz for losing a ball in the lights ! The other Left fielder for the other team has to play with the same lights ! I keep telling you the Braves will never win a division with that man in the dugout !!

cabravesfan

April 26th, 2009
9:01 pm

Just for the record Uggla made one less error then Kelly last year.

Bobby's Cox

April 26th, 2009
9:02 pm

DOB,

I never wished the Braves gave up that package for Peavy. I’m glad Wren pulled out ;)

nolie

April 26th, 2009
9:03 pm

Utely, Uggla (who made less errors last year than KJ) Orlando Hudson, Freddie Sanchez, Felipe Lopez, Both Rockies Ian Stewart and Clint Barmes, little pesky Eckstein, Brandon Phillips (stolen bases), Skip Shumaker, That’s 10. Well, Prado an Infante too i guess, so 12. (BobbysCox)

I’m hoping you are employing a little hyperbole. here, BC. I understand the frustration with KJ, but some of those guys couldn’t carry his…batting gloves.

FlaBravesFan1

April 26th, 2009
9:04 pm

cabravesfan 623pm That quote actually came from Mike SingleMartz!

Braveheart

April 26th, 2009
9:06 pm

Bobby’s, you’d really take Felipe Lopez over KJ? The same Felipe Lopez who has an OPS of .689 combined in 2007 & 2008? The guy with an OPS 130 points lower than KJ over the last two seasons? Congratulations, you just cost the ballclub 30 runs over 700 plate appearances.

Bobby's Cox

April 26th, 2009
9:06 pm

Ok, Braveheart, maybe I’d take Sanchez off that list. I said have fun with it, as you are. But the rest, for one reason or another (speed, defense, BA), I’d rather have.

cabravesfan

April 26th, 2009
9:07 pm

FlaBravesFan1-

That would be funny if it didn’t hurt so bad :) I swear Singletary is starting to sound as clueless as the Offensive Genius did last year…

Jeff R

April 26th, 2009
9:11 pm

I’m startig to think that the Bravos have a three-man rotation. Kawakami has been hot and cold (more cold than hot). Three years at $23 million? Maybe he’ll settle down and start to pitch like he did in Japan. If not, the back of the rotation is going to be a big rock that drags the team down (oh, that and the middle inning relievers).

Jake W.

April 26th, 2009
9:12 pm

Braveheart I understand your feeling on Prado. The only thing I want is for the kid to be given the chance to show us whether he can or can’t hack it as an everyday starter. With KJ struggling right now I don’t see how at least trying him can hurt us anymore than KJ is already hurting us with his inconsistency. I would hate to see him get to go to another team as a starter with out us at least getting a look at him as one.

And on Sanchez of course i’ll take him because he’s CONSISTANT. He’s not getting on base 4 times some games and none the next week. The guy can annoy the crap out of you in an at bat and he also isn’t such a dead pull hitter. When he is struggling he can take that ball the other way. No he doesn’t have the power that KJ has but the guy can hit. Besides we can use another right handed bat in this lineup so yeah i’ll take him.

Braveheart

April 26th, 2009
9:12 pm

Eckstein? Gimme a break. Fine, I’ll go tell KJ to run around gritting his teeth like he’s holding in a big sh!t. Will that make you change your opinion of KJ because he’d look as gritty as Eckstein? Eckstein’s career OPS is 100 points lower than KJ’s the last two years. Congrats, you just cost the team 25 runs over 700.

Dumbfounded

April 26th, 2009
9:12 pm

The Braves had a lot of chances to get Orlando Hudson, But NO ! The Braves had to go with the white boy !!!!!!!!

Bobby's Cox

April 26th, 2009
9:14 pm

Braveheat, yes, I’d rather have Lopez. He’s tearing the cover off the ball this year. The last part of last year he was hitting really well (with St. Louis). Yahoo had an article on him how he was hurt the past couple of years and is regaining form to where his career was projected to be. I’m a firm believer that a player progresses through their careers and become solid veteran bats, aka hudson, derosa, ibanez, abreau, and the 1998 Gary Gaetti. Eventually some veteran players just “get it” and I think Lopez is, so sure I’d keep him on that list.

cabravesfan

April 26th, 2009
9:15 pm

Dumbfounded, or maybe it was the $7 million they saved this year…just a thought

Steve from OH

April 26th, 2009
9:19 pm

Consistant?!?! Consistant?!?! C’mon, buddy, consistency is great, but consistency is overrated when you’re OPSing approximately .710 over the last two seasons…

And Eckstein, Bobby’s Cox? Man, you usually have a well-presented, logical argument but this one had just a touch of bias in it, I think. When I read Eckstein and Felipe I about had an aneurysm.

And to the denizens, an apology for my outburst earlier today. Wasn’t necessary, and (probably) won’t happen again. Sorry y’all had to read my BS earlier.

Bobby's Cox

April 26th, 2009
9:19 pm

Ekstein saves a lot of runs with his defense. He’s a pesky hitter that makes opposing pitchers throw tons of pitches. He’s a tough out…something this team needs. He’s a proven veteran who has won 2 world series with 2 different teams. He hits tough pitchers. He’s currently hitting .100 points higher than KJ. He BB’s just as much as he K’s. Yes, I’d take Eckstein over KJ.

The Braves problem isn’t scoring runs. They scored a lot last year. Their problem is scoring them consistently. Yes, yes yes yes, yes to Eckstein.

Jeff321

April 26th, 2009
9:23 pm

Orlando Hudson has 27 hits this year and is a stud!

monty

April 26th, 2009
9:23 pm

KK will be OK, he just needs a little confidence right now. Coming over from a different league he has to prove to himself that he has what it takes. It would be nice if his team made it a little easier on him. It’s just way too early to start bashing him. If you watch him pitch you know he has really good movement on all his pitches and he has lots of pitches. Think of this year being his rookie season. I seem to remember some Braves HOF pitchers who got off to some very poor starts.

Bobby's Cox

April 26th, 2009
9:25 pm

Another note on Esckstein. I went to the Padre Dodger game in the opening week. Eckstein made Kershaw throw like 40 pitches in his 1st 3 AB while the other Padres hitters couldn’t manage a hit. The Padres had like 4 hits through 6. 3 were from Eckstein. Eckstein also saved 2 runs with his glove, once going up the middle and again going into his left in shallow RF to prevent a base hit from going into the outfield.

The Padres were all but done in that game. There’s no way in hell anyone in the stadium thought they had a chance, but they chased Kershaw, made the Dodgers go through a few pitchers early, and sure enough the Padres scored 4 in the bottom of the 8th to win 4-3.

Eckstein has intangibles and a huge heart. You bet I’d take him.

And yes Steve, consistency is very important.

Braveheart

April 26th, 2009
9:25 pm

Ekstein saves a lot of runs with his defense. (BOBBY”S)

Oh, no, he doesn’t. Has a negative UZR/150 at 2B and SS for his career. Has a UZR/150 of -12 runs and -18.8 runs at SS the last two seasons. A -15 UZR/150 SS is likely only gonna be worth -5 UZR/150 at best at 2B, which is what KJ has been worth the last two seasons combined.

Dumbfounded

April 26th, 2009
9:25 pm

Jeff, I know ! The braves could have made a play for Uggla too !!!

Jake W.

April 26th, 2009
9:27 pm

Consistancy can never be overrated when you’re talking about this Braves teams offense. Unless you like that whole 10 runs one game after two scoreless games thing. I’ll stick to what I said, if I could have my pick between KJ, Prado, or Sanchez. I’d take Freddy hands down.

Bobby's Cox

April 26th, 2009
9:27 pm

cabravesfan,

Hudson signed for only $3.4 mil with LA.

Braveheart

April 26th, 2009
9:30 pm

Bobby’s, add this to your Raul Ibanez defensive highlight reel:

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/article/raul_ibanez/

PWHjort

April 26th, 2009
9:32 pm

Bobby’s Cox. Ya, 3.38 million base, but with 4.62 million in incentives, so it’s really an 8 million dollar commitment.

McFann Ô

April 26th, 2009
9:32 pm

Well, tomorrow’s another Manic Monday…

Dude, I like didn’t get any sleep last night (I mean, less than I usually get) for whatever reason…tonight might be more of the same, wuddiya think? :P

Steve from OH

April 26th, 2009
9:32 pm

“Consistancy can never be overrated when you’re talking about this Braves teams offense. Unless you like that whole 10 runs one game after two scoreless games thing. I’ll stick to what I said, if I could have my pick between KJ, Prado, or Sanchez. I’d take Freddy hands down.–Jake W.

Ugh. [Slams head repeatedly against concrete wall]

Bobby's Cox

April 26th, 2009
9:32 pm

Sorry Braveheart…i’m not sure who comes up with those fielding stats, but I saw for my own eyes Eckstein’s range AT 2nd BASE to tell you he’ll save a lot of runs for San Diego this year. Maybe in years past as a shortstop he didnt’ save many runs, especially with that lousy arm, but seeing him this year as a second baseman in person, I can tell you he has more range than Kelly.

Defense, what he does offensively to pitchers, his ability to leadoff, his steady OBP, I’m sticking with Esckstein.

cabravesfan

April 26th, 2009
9:34 pm

Bobby’s Cox-

Really? My bad…don’t know where I got my figure from. Thanks!

Bobby's Cox

April 26th, 2009
9:35 pm

Steve,

lol….believe it or not, but that is the Braves biggest problem…where have you been man?

Seriously, if this offense weren’t so hit and miss, do you honestly think I’d keep debating who plays 2nd base? The only thing that keeps bringing up this convo is KJ. I was all over Frenchy last year too, but haven’t had a word to say about him this year.

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