Over the course of 162 games, Schafer probably isn’t going to get on base as much as Kelly Johnson. So because of that, you stick with Kelly at lead off. If not Kelly, than Yunel. Need someone with a high on base in the leadoff spot, as well as the #2 hole.
I bet if we studied all major league managers (somebody with a lot of time on their hands has probably done so) we would find that they all make mistakes. Sometimes, hindsight is SOOO 20-20 though.
Bobby has never been know as an X’s and O’s kind of manager. He has always had the reputation of being a players manager, getting the most possible out of his entire roster. That has served him very well MANY times over the years, but it has also been an albatross on occasion (Andruw Jones a couple of years back).
It’ kinda like going to the ice cream shop. You can get Rocky Road, or Chocolate Marble. You get what you get. Can’t have it both ways.
Bobby is an institution in Atlanta, much like our beloved Jerry Sloan is in Utah. Neither is going to change their stripes. There are media and fans here in Utah EVERY year calling for Jerry’s head on a platter, but it ain’t gonna happen.
Why keep pounding your head on that same brick wall, time and time again??
McFann:
Hang in there young lady, I am sure Carroll will pass along the news as soon as she gets it!
Man, this blog was a lot more fun to read in the offseason. Now everybody who’s played fantasy baseball once in their lives knows how to run the team better than one of the most universally respected coaches in the game. I’d prefer the hope and optimism for an upcoming season to the screeching and “Cox/Chipper/KJ/etc. sucks” diatribes every time the Braves lose.
Wayne–I think were on the same page as far as working the count (or at least in the same chapter). There are times to jump on a guy early in the count if he throws a lot of first pitch strikes and fastballs. What frustrates me is when batter after batter jumps on the first pitch and either gets in a whole by chasing balls or gets a first pitch out. I would think at some point after that has happened inning after inning (or game after game as is the case now) the hitting coach should have sense enough to pull some guys aside and say “Hey, how about next at bat let’s see a strike before we go hacking”
And like I said earlier, maybe Pendelton is doing that. But if he is, guys obviously aren’t listening to him, which would lead me to believe that they don’t respect him as a hitting coach. If that’s the case, there has to be a change of coaches.
And I love Bobby, and would be upset if he was fired and run out of town, but I’m starting to doubt whether or not he’s an effective manager any longer. That being said, I want him to stay as long as he wants to because I don’t see him as being the main problem with this team.
To the posters stating that our starting pitching has to go deep into the 6th or 7th innings. You are right. To date Bobby Cox has pulled our starters prior to that mark. Most could easily have gotten through the 7th. Witness the Pittsburgh game when Vazquez was pulled after about 80 pitches. Our starters have been just great and if not for them I hate to even imagine what this team would look like.
I like K. Johnson but I would trade him in a heart beat for Dukes. The Braves need another RH bat with power. If this guy can get his act together, he can be a good player. Wren take a chance on him if he’s available.
How do you wait for a three run HR? Is it anything like waiting for Godot? Is it pretty much as meaningless? How long must we wait for it? What if it never comes? Inquiring minds want to know.
Wayne, please tell me you didn’t just say “clogging the basepaths!”
And to the guy that is taking bets on over/under 88 losses, I’ll take the under, thank you very much. Our starting pitching, with the exception of JoJo’s start, has kept us in every single game we’ve played. That doesn’t often suggest a team will lose 88 games.
LT—You would prefer to have Dunn at first base over Kotchman? Oh the horror. Kotchman has saved how many throwing errors over at first so far this season? Maybe you didn’t see the USA in the WBC, Dunn almost single handedly lost one of the game for them with his horrid defense in the outfield, and you would put him at first? Dam, I’m scared to close my eyes now for fear of that image creeping into my dreams!
The Braves need to get healthy and their everyday lineup out on the field. The bullpen is a concern, but there are still good arms out there. I still have faith in Gonzo, Soriano and Moylan, as long as they can stay healthy. Wouldn’t shock me to see Medlen brought up before Hanson so that Medlen can pitch in a set-up role.
D.LOwe has great stuff and he certainly deserved more run support, but he looked like a pitcher that had a train to catch last night. Whenever he gets erratic he just goes at it faster. HIs problems seemed to be his release point, the 1st couple of innings his sinker was really diving from waist high to knee high moving down and away from left handers, then it looked to me that he began throwing more in an upright position and his pitches flattened out and they hit some balls deep. Then he goes back to the position he started the game with and they started dipping again but then he couldn’t locate it, everything was low. Every pitcher has to have consistent mechanics in order to pitch their best but it seems exceptionally so with sinker ballers like LOwe and Moylan. It really makes you appreciate a Greg Maddux or a Tom Glavine in the simplicity of their mechanics and how effective they were.
TDub: I completely agree with your 10:22. I don’t know a lot about baseball, but I do know that knee-jerk reactions to losses over a long season is pretty pathetic. I don’t expect the Braves to make it to the postseason this year, but I do think they have some nice pieces in place and some really good talent coming soon.
I don’t enjoy it when they lose, but I do enjoy the games and look forward to watching guys like Schafer develop, and some of the great pitching performances we’re going to see this season.
This blog used to be a lot more fun, and there are a few great posters on here — it just seems that they’re getting harder to find amid the dreck these days.
I think I’ll pass on Dunn. He strikes me as the guy who will hit a homer every 4th game, usually with nobody on (when the pitchers are pitching to him). All other times, he is TOO cautious, and takes a multitude of walks when runners are already on base. With him, you still need someone hitting behind him that can drive in the runs he moved over one base.
tried checking out the new blog..but my ajc.com homepage is missing all the blog links- except “Chop Chick” Anyone else having same problem??
That’s my kind of day today…
Anyone see the total pitched seen stat right before the 2nd rain delay? Through 8 2/3 I think it was Atlanta/80 and the Nats/135. That is ridiculous. WHy are we such free swingers?
The team just seems so lethargic and lackluster to me, they don’t even look like they care if they win or lose. I know it is a long season and you can’t be all Rah Rah everynight, but please at least look like you want to win. You look at the time, money and effort the fans put in to this and all we get in return is….Oh well we lost again…..It is frustrating.
Boyer has escaped from Atlanta. Good for him. Hopefully, he will flourish as have others who have left the Braves. By the way, just when is Big Tex going to lead the Braves to those promised championships. Actually, the future looks brighter in Texas.
Ya’ll can sit down and listen to some plain old common sense. How to improve the Braves odds in the wild card chase ? It’s addition by subtraction. Come September 1st , bring up every single pitcher on the 40 man giving the Braves 21 total pitchers. Junk the five man rotation , it’s killing the Braves. The old four man rotation would give Hudson and Smoltz 18 or 19 starts over the last 34 games. Limit them both to 75 pitches or five innings , which ever comes first and use that 17 man bullpen over the last three or four innings. It’s not rocket science , it’s baseball. Smoltz and Hudson are winning at a .700 clip over the last two months. Do the math , 66 wins plus 13 or 14 wins from the two aces. The remaining 15-16 games would require nothing more than .500 from the other two starters ( Cormier/James). That would presumably put the Braves around 87-89 wins , well into wild card territory. It’s better than sticking with the five man rotation and limiting the pitch count , not throwing on the side would be the same as pitching every fifth day. There ya go , maximize the two aces , limit the damage from the rest of the rotation. Lew , would have never thought of this. NEVER.
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By Coach ( This is how the Braves get over the hump.)
August 24, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
Hey , thanks guys. The Braves used a four man rotation all of 1993 and it worked like a charm.
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By flange1
August 24, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this
Oh my god LEW,
Can you believe it? A 4 man rotation! WOW, we could have never thought of that!
A 41 year old pitcher with a sore body and an surgically repaired sholder and elbow should be able to go from pitching on 4 days rest for his whole life to pitching on 3 days rest after 3/4 of a season and then be fresh for the playoffs,
SURE IT’S GOT TO WORK, IT CAME FROM COACH!!!
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By Paladin
August 24, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
Coach After brain-flatulence like that you could at least have the decency to fan behind you. And it smells like the drooler crawled up inside you, and died.
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By Lew
August 24, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this
Coach-You’re absolutely right. I wouldn’t have thought of destroying Smoltz’s arm with extreme overuse. AS far as bringing up the other pitchers, Do you even realize that KC has advocated this for the past week? Do you even bother to read anyone’s thoughts besides your own? This is what we waited for all of this time you pounded your chest and bragged about how smart you were? Talk about a let down. I thought maybe you might have a plan worth something. According to you, something no one else was capable of coming up with and what we end up with is expand the rosters? And of course, James is out of the equation for at least another week and a half. Yeah, that works.
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By Coach ( Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion.)
August 24, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this
The children have come over from the other blog. Lew , Flange1 or whatever you multiple personality bloggers call yourselves , your not fooling anybody. I’m out , nursery school isn’t my cup of tea.
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By Head Options Expert
August 24, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
Will someone please explain to ole Head Cooch what the options consequences are for bringing up the entire 40 man roster to pitch?
Does anyone dare do that after the retarded insistence of the Head Cooch the last time?
Oh, what’s the matter Cooch? Are you now admitting to being a failure as a Coach for nursery school kids as well?
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By The Grinch
August 25, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this
Smoltz continues to amaze. I’ve said since I started posting here about 18 months ago that I’ve never liked Smoltz much as a person, but by Godfey that sumgun has got something more than talent going for him. He’s about as true grit as Rooster Cogburn.
Great catch by Andruw, obviously.
Braveheart, your Freudian “slip” on Coach is classic.
SG, you said something earlier I found clever and amusing, but I’m too drunk to remember what it was. Just accept this generic tip of the hat.
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Hey Lew,how close were Mac and Frenchie to arbitration?Why is it always about Escabor’s way and not his potential?Frenchie showed a nice side of himself when he was told to go down last year.I remember when Renteria was with Braves and Escabor was playing second.KJ was complaining about playing time.When they had ER and Escabor at the top of the order the Braves were rolling,but ER got hurt and KJ returned we went south.I wonder why some guys refuse to sign with Braves?Just a thought….
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Efrim
April 21st, 2009
10:21 am
Over the course of 162 games, Schafer probably isn’t going to get on base as much as Kelly Johnson. So because of that, you stick with Kelly at lead off. If not Kelly, than Yunel. Need someone with a high on base in the leadoff spot, as well as the #2 hole.
Wayne in Utah
April 21st, 2009
10:22 am
Rock on
I bet if we studied all major league managers (somebody with a lot of time on their hands has probably done so) we would find that they all make mistakes. Sometimes, hindsight is SOOO 20-20 though.
Bobby has never been know as an X’s and O’s kind of manager. He has always had the reputation of being a players manager, getting the most possible out of his entire roster. That has served him very well MANY times over the years, but it has also been an albatross on occasion (Andruw Jones a couple of years back).
It’ kinda like going to the ice cream shop. You can get Rocky Road, or Chocolate Marble. You get what you get. Can’t have it both ways.
Bobby is an institution in Atlanta, much like our beloved Jerry Sloan is in Utah. Neither is going to change their stripes. There are media and fans here in Utah EVERY year calling for Jerry’s head on a platter, but it ain’t gonna happen.
Why keep pounding your head on that same brick wall, time and time again??
McFann:
Hang in there young lady, I am sure Carroll will pass along the news as soon as she gets it!
TDub
April 21st, 2009
10:22 am
Man, this blog was a lot more fun to read in the offseason. Now everybody who’s played fantasy baseball once in their lives knows how to run the team better than one of the most universally respected coaches in the game. I’d prefer the hope and optimism for an upcoming season to the screeching and “Cox/Chipper/KJ/etc. sucks” diatribes every time the Braves lose.
BlawgDawg
April 21st, 2009
10:22 am
Wayne–I think were on the same page as far as working the count (or at least in the same chapter). There are times to jump on a guy early in the count if he throws a lot of first pitch strikes and fastballs. What frustrates me is when batter after batter jumps on the first pitch and either gets in a whole by chasing balls or gets a first pitch out. I would think at some point after that has happened inning after inning (or game after game as is the case now) the hitting coach should have sense enough to pull some guys aside and say “Hey, how about next at bat let’s see a strike before we go hacking”
And like I said earlier, maybe Pendelton is doing that. But if he is, guys obviously aren’t listening to him, which would lead me to believe that they don’t respect him as a hitting coach. If that’s the case, there has to be a change of coaches.
And I love Bobby, and would be upset if he was fired and run out of town, but I’m starting to doubt whether or not he’s an effective manager any longer. That being said, I want him to stay as long as he wants to because I don’t see him as being the main problem with this team.
Rock On.......
April 21st, 2009
10:23 am
To the posters stating that our starting pitching has to go deep into the 6th or 7th innings. You are right. To date Bobby Cox has pulled our starters prior to that mark. Most could easily have gotten through the 7th. Witness the Pittsburgh game when Vazquez was pulled after about 80 pitches. Our starters have been just great and if not for them I hate to even imagine what this team would look like.
Carroll Rogers
April 21st, 2009
10:23 am
new blog should be up
Bill M.
April 21st, 2009
10:23 am
I like K. Johnson but I would trade him in a heart beat for Dukes. The Braves need another RH bat with power. If this guy can get his act together, he can be a good player. Wren take a chance on him if he’s available.
Lew
April 21st, 2009
10:24 am
How do you wait for a three run HR? Is it anything like waiting for Godot? Is it pretty much as meaningless? How long must we wait for it? What if it never comes? Inquiring minds want to know.
Wayne in Utah
April 21st, 2009
10:25 am
Baba
LOL!!
Steve from OH
April 21st, 2009
10:25 am
Wayne, please tell me you didn’t just say “clogging the basepaths!”
And to the guy that is taking bets on over/under 88 losses, I’ll take the under, thank you very much. Our starting pitching, with the exception of JoJo’s start, has kept us in every single game we’ve played. That doesn’t often suggest a team will lose 88 games.
Efrim
April 21st, 2009
10:25 am
Vasquez was pulled after 98 pitches. But yes, the starting pitching isn’t the problem. Few less walks wouldn’t hurt though.
BlawgDawg
April 21st, 2009
10:26 am
LT—You would prefer to have Dunn at first base over Kotchman? Oh the horror. Kotchman has saved how many throwing errors over at first so far this season? Maybe you didn’t see the USA in the WBC, Dunn almost single handedly lost one of the game for them with his horrid defense in the outfield, and you would put him at first? Dam, I’m scared to close my eyes now for fear of that image creeping into my dreams!
Wayne in Utah
April 21st, 2009
10:27 am
As much as I like Duke’s bat, let’s leave it to the Nats to help him to grow up.
Lew How’s the weather up your way?
jbutler It’s a beautiful day here, we are sending it over to you folks!
Run Heap Run
April 21st, 2009
10:28 am
Efrim
April 21st, 2009
10:29 am
The Braves need to get healthy and their everyday lineup out on the field. The bullpen is a concern, but there are still good arms out there. I still have faith in Gonzo, Soriano and Moylan, as long as they can stay healthy. Wouldn’t shock me to see Medlen brought up before Hanson so that Medlen can pitch in a set-up role.
monty
April 21st, 2009
10:30 am
D.LOwe has great stuff and he certainly deserved more run support, but he looked like a pitcher that had a train to catch last night. Whenever he gets erratic he just goes at it faster. HIs problems seemed to be his release point, the 1st couple of innings his sinker was really diving from waist high to knee high moving down and away from left handers, then it looked to me that he began throwing more in an upright position and his pitches flattened out and they hit some balls deep. Then he goes back to the position he started the game with and they started dipping again but then he couldn’t locate it, everything was low. Every pitcher has to have consistent mechanics in order to pitch their best but it seems exceptionally so with sinker ballers like LOwe and Moylan. It really makes you appreciate a Greg Maddux or a Tom Glavine in the simplicity of their mechanics and how effective they were.
NC Braves Fan
April 21st, 2009
10:30 am
TDub: I completely agree with your 10:22. I don’t know a lot about baseball, but I do know that knee-jerk reactions to losses over a long season is pretty pathetic. I don’t expect the Braves to make it to the postseason this year, but I do think they have some nice pieces in place and some really good talent coming soon.
I don’t enjoy it when they lose, but I do enjoy the games and look forward to watching guys like Schafer develop, and some of the great pitching performances we’re going to see this season.
This blog used to be a lot more fun, and there are a few great posters on here — it just seems that they’re getting harder to find amid the dreck these days.
Wayne in Utah
April 21st, 2009
10:31 am
Steve
Should I have said clogging “on” the basepaths??
I think I’ll pass on Dunn. He strikes me as the guy who will hit a homer every 4th game, usually with nobody on (when the pitchers are pitching to him). All other times, he is TOO cautious, and takes a multitude of walks when runners are already on base. With him, you still need someone hitting behind him that can drive in the runs he moved over one base.
jbutler
April 21st, 2009
10:41 am
tried checking out the new blog..but my ajc.com homepage is missing all the blog links- except “Chop Chick” Anyone else having same problem??
That’s my kind of day today…
Wayne in Utah
April 21st, 2009
10:44 am
is this thing working?
18 Wheels of Love
April 21st, 2009
10:46 am
Anyone see the total pitched seen stat right before the 2nd rain delay? Through 8 2/3 I think it was Atlanta/80 and the Nats/135. That is ridiculous. WHy are we such free swingers?
Wayne in Utah
April 21st, 2009
10:47 am
jbutler
Go up and link under “recent posts” the top line about diaz saying it’s not ho hum or somthing like that….
18 Wheels of Love
April 21st, 2009
10:47 am
Wayne in Utah, I’m gonna vote NO….but only if you can read this.
GTSteve
April 21st, 2009
10:52 am
The team just seems so lethargic and lackluster to me, they don’t even look like they care if they win or lose. I know it is a long season and you can’t be all Rah Rah everynight, but please at least look like you want to win. You look at the time, money and effort the fans put in to this and all we get in return is….Oh well we lost again…..It is frustrating.
don
April 21st, 2009
10:54 am
Boyer has escaped from Atlanta. Good for him. Hopefully, he will flourish as have others who have left the Braves. By the way, just when is Big Tex going to lead the Braves to those promised championships. Actually, the future looks brighter in Texas.
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By Coach ( This is how the Braves get over the hump.)
August 24, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this
Ya’ll can sit down and listen to some plain old common sense. How to improve the Braves odds in the wild card chase ? It’s addition by subtraction. Come September 1st , bring up every single pitcher on the 40 man giving the Braves 21 total pitchers. Junk the five man rotation , it’s killing the Braves. The old four man rotation would give Hudson and Smoltz 18 or 19 starts over the last 34 games. Limit them both to 75 pitches or five innings , which ever comes first and use that 17 man bullpen over the last three or four innings. It’s not rocket science , it’s baseball. Smoltz and Hudson are winning at a .700 clip over the last two months. Do the math , 66 wins plus 13 or 14 wins from the two aces. The remaining 15-16 games would require nothing more than .500 from the other two starters ( Cormier/James). That would presumably put the Braves around 87-89 wins , well into wild card territory. It’s better than sticking with the five man rotation and limiting the pitch count , not throwing on the side would be the same as pitching every fifth day. There ya go , maximize the two aces , limit the damage from the rest of the rotation. Lew , would have never thought of this. NEVER.
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By Coach ( This is how the Braves get over the hump.)
August 24, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
Hey , thanks guys. The Braves used a four man rotation all of 1993 and it worked like a charm.
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By flange1
August 24, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this
Oh my god LEW,
Can you believe it? A 4 man rotation! WOW, we could have never thought of that!
A 41 year old pitcher with a sore body and an surgically repaired sholder and elbow should be able to go from pitching on 4 days rest for his whole life to pitching on 3 days rest after 3/4 of a season and then be fresh for the playoffs,
SURE IT’S GOT TO WORK, IT CAME FROM COACH!!!
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By Paladin
August 24, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
Coach After brain-flatulence like that you could at least have the decency to fan behind you. And it smells like the drooler crawled up inside you, and died.
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By Lew
August 24, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this
Coach-You’re absolutely right. I wouldn’t have thought of destroying Smoltz’s arm with extreme overuse. AS far as bringing up the other pitchers, Do you even realize that KC has advocated this for the past week? Do you even bother to read anyone’s thoughts besides your own? This is what we waited for all of this time you pounded your chest and bragged about how smart you were? Talk about a let down. I thought maybe you might have a plan worth something. According to you, something no one else was capable of coming up with and what we end up with is expand the rosters? And of course, James is out of the equation for at least another week and a half. Yeah, that works.
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By Coach ( Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion.)
August 24, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this
The children have come over from the other blog. Lew , Flange1 or whatever you multiple personality bloggers call yourselves , your not fooling anybody. I’m out , nursery school isn’t my cup of tea.
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By Head Options Expert
August 24, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
Will someone please explain to ole Head Cooch what the options consequences are for bringing up the entire 40 man roster to pitch?
Does anyone dare do that after the retarded insistence of the Head Cooch the last time?
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By Willy Wally
August 24, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
I’m out , nursery school isn’t my cup of tea.
Oh, what’s the matter Cooch? Are you now admitting to being a failure as a Coach for nursery school kids as well?
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By The Grinch
August 25, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this
Smoltz continues to amaze. I’ve said since I started posting here about 18 months ago that I’ve never liked Smoltz much as a person, but by Godfey that sumgun has got something more than talent going for him. He’s about as true grit as Rooster Cogburn.
Great catch by Andruw, obviously.
Braveheart, your Freudian “slip” on Coach is classic.
SG, you said something earlier I found clever and amusing, but I’m too drunk to remember what it was. Just accept this generic tip of the hat.
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jj
April 21st, 2009
11:14 am
Hey Lew,how close were Mac and Frenchie to arbitration?Why is it always about Escabor’s way and not his potential?Frenchie showed a nice side of himself when he was told to go down last year.I remember when Renteria was with Braves and Escabor was playing second.KJ was complaining about playing time.When they had ER and Escabor at the top of the order the Braves were rolling,but ER got hurt and KJ returned we went south.I wonder why some guys refuse to sign with Braves?Just a thought….