2:06 pm April 15, 2009, by David O'Brien
April 15th, 20092:13 pm
Can’t wait to see the show, Dave. Al rules. Hope you get a better game tonight now that you’re back to work.
Reid in EAV
April 15th, 20092:15 pm
Alejandro is sensational, and a really cool guy, too. Had the good fortune to meet him some years back. Very glad he bounced back from his health problems.
On that new Marlins stadium… um… wow. Looks like it pays homage to Florida’s official architectural symbol: an elevated freeway viaduct.
April 15th, 20092:22 pm
MFin04 (April 13th, 2009 12:37 pm): “Problem with Hanson is he threw almost 100 pitches in 4.1 innings. That isnt going to get it done at the MLB level.”
That would actually be 84 pitches — 56 of them for strikes. To 19 batters.
Muffin: “Strikeouts are overrated when you have to go to 8-10 pitches an AB.”
To get his 10 Ks, Hanson threw a total of 50 pitches — that would be 5.00 pitches per strike-out, not 8-10. Overall, he threw an average of 4.42 pitches per batter.
Muffin: “Id rather have a guy that gets no K’s a game and has 4-6 pitch innings.”
I cannot disagree that 6 pitches per inning would be much better than Hanson’s 19.38 average in his first start, though most ML pitchers would settle for 10-12 (90-108 pitches for a complete game).
MFin04 (April 15th, 2009 12:38 pm): “Did anyone actually watch Vazquez pitch? He was awesome last night. Got some tough ball/strike calls in the inning he gave up three runs…other than that he looked great.”
Vazquez — 6.0 IP, 12 Ks, 106 pitches (73 strikes), 24 batters.
He threw a total of 59 pitches to get his 12 Ks, or an average of 4.92 pitches per strike-out (if he had needed just 1 more pitch, he’d've averaged an even 5.00 per strike-out).
Overall, Vazquez threw an average of 4.42 pitches per batter, and 17.67 pitches per inning.
So of course, MFin04 concludes the following:
Hanson with 5.00 pitches/K, 4.42 pitches per batter, 19.38 pitches/IP, a WHIP of 1.15 and 0 Earned Runs in 4.1 IP: “Problem . . . . isnt going to get it done at the MLB level.”
Vazquez with 4.92 pitches/K, 4.42 pitches per batter, 17.67 pitches/IP, a WHIP of 1.00 and 3 Earned Runs in 6.0 IP: “awesome . . . . he looked great.”
Yepper, that’s our little Muffin!
18 Wheels of Love
April 15th, 20092:25 pm
Wow, gotta love a stadium with a highway off ramp towering down the left field line…or is that the Monorail from, err, Dark Star? either way, it’ll be a much easier exit during those 15-2 losses for the Miami Marlins.
April 15th, 20092:30 pm
jeez, guys, it was hard enough to get the Florida stadium plans this far, and you want aesthetics, too?!? LOL
After the sucking chest wound of red ink they’ve had all these years, I imagine those guys would spit at the highway offramp and call it all good.
Random you have too much time on your hands…and your conclusions are still off base..when one guy is pitching to a team that is 6-1 in MLB ….and another guy is pitching to a AAA team that isnt very good offensively and is 2-5 on the year.
Any logical person wouldn’t compare the two. You pretty much just wasted your time…and looked stupid.
I’m not arguing that Hanson isn’t good, the kid is legit and will be up with the Braves hopefully sometime this year (hopefullly sooner rather than later).
But Vazquez has looked solid so far as well. He is a very good pitcher and if the Braves scored yesterday…he would have had a great chance to get a win (minus the whole bullpen sucking).
DOB — did you like Bowman’s obit… errrr blog entry about Glavine today?
April 15th, 20092:31 pm
DOB, did you catch the opener for that show? A friend of mine named Kitty Snyder opened, I believe. I just talked to her the other day, and she told me she was asked to play that show. Personally, not a big fan of her music, but she’s a cool girl. Just wondering if you caught her show and what you thought. (Wouldn’t hurt my feelings either way, just curious).
Medlen 5ip 1 hit 0runs 6ks and a pickoff (55 pitches)
April 15th, 20092:32 pm
I really hope our hitters tonight show a little more patience, and make these Marlins pitchers do something on their own account.
April 15th, 20092:35 pm
Big Easy, that was funny. Dadgum, those were good points to consider.
Also for a small pitcher to throw at the same velocity as a tall pitcher requires more torque on his body and thus presumably more injury prone. (fleming)
Yeah, I can see that. They do tend to have to be max effort guys. That doesn’t bode well long-term considering the torque they put on their bodies to hit that velocity. But, again, to me, if you can burn ‘em up in the first six cheap years of their careers, why not? Why be too concerned whether or not they’re washed up right about the time they hit their late twenties and become eligible to be a multi-millionaire free agent?
The other thing I could see though is that torquing themselves like that may limit their ability to develop secondary pitches as well. Lack of deception is also an issue because tall guys can hide the ball better with their goofy limbs and clumsy mechanics.
NC Braves Fan
April 15th, 20092:36 pm
Seems like the Braves crowds are a little angrier these days. GA heard from the boo-birds last night, and I was really surprised when Moylan got booed in his first appearance at Turner Field last Friday. Granted he was part of the meltdown in Philly, but it seems like a guy like him coming off surgery would get some slack.
Perhaps the Braves fans are more impatient these days given the team’s recent lack of success, or it’s a reflection of the times we’re living in right now.
Run Heap Run
Good for Andruw.
That stadium rendering is heinous.
Who is the next relief pitcher to be called up to the Braves? Any ideas?
April 15th, 20092:38 pm
Andrew in P-tang
April 15th, 20092:40 pm
For those wondering, David Ross went 2-4 last night in his rehab appearance, with 1 HR, 3 RBI, and 1 Run. All three RBI’s were with two outs.
April 15th, 20092:41 pm
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i think the marlins stadium looks pretty cool, but not for a baseball stadium.
April 15th, 20092:42 pm
You mean, submit doesn’t refresh? Well I’ll be ….
DOB, any word on whether Chipper will play tonight?
April 15th, 20092:44 pm
Braveheart, maybe nolie can give you a perspective on smallish pitchers from the scout’s perspective. I’m sure that would be better than any explanation I might venture.
Nice save, Tom O’
Oh the Yankees love Swisher now…but they werent too keen on him before when they were trying to ship him off all winter long. I think Nady also might be hurt as well. Probably glad they didnt get rid of him now.
How sweet would it be if both the Yankees and Red Sox didnt make the playoffs.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
April 15th, 20092:45 pm
Thanks for the Medlin updates.
Anyone have a link to the new Marlins Stadium?
April 15th, 20092:46 pm
What a ridiculous poll for the 2nd week of baseball season.
April 15th, 20092:48 pm
I heard DOB had one, MFin04, but he hid it in his new blog. He’s tricky like that! I hope I find it soon.
April 15th, 20092:49 pm
Any word on whether Cantu is playing today ? I think Gload was in yesterday because of his success against Vasquez… also, I wouldn’t mind if they rested McCann today against the lefty, instead of tomorrow. Wouldn’t want to see McCann and Chipper out of tomorrow’s lineup… day game after a night game… thoughts ?
DOB Schafer has one walk.
April 15th, 20092:50 pm
Schafer has 3 walks
Kenny has been real real busy
Medlin’s day is over
April 15th, 20092:51 pm
In that stadium rendering it kinda looks like the Marlins will be unfurling the World’s Largest Depends Undergarment when its time to close the roof.
Which in a lot of ways seems appropriate.
April 15th, 20092:52 pm
Do you folks remember when Diaz misjudged the liner in left field last week against the Nats? The one that should have been the third out but instead rolled to the wall? Do you remember the look of silent rage burbling beneath his eyes for the following several minutes, as he excoriated himself for failing to get the job done and help his team? And he had an excuse: the lights. Garret Anderson, after inexcusably dropping two gimme foul balls, the latter costing a run, looked utterly indifferent. Just a vacuous stare.
If Garrett doesn’t shape up in the next couple games in which he plays, then he sits. Period. We have another guy who can flat out hit, who cares an awful lot, and whose defense is obviously not any more of a liability. Garret looks unhappy, or unmotivated, or…WHO CARES what the reason is! Just play Diaz.
April 15th, 20092:54 pm
My 2 cents: I think one reason, of many, that there are so many taller pitchers today, compared to yesteryear, is because of the availability. Years ago, most players came from the good ol’ USA. Today, a good part of the world is involved. I think there’s something like 40% Latino’s, playing MLB. Basically, there’s more to choose from.
Just saw the movie “men out.” Those drops weren’t in a world series. What’s up?
your articles are getting kind of stale, i still like your music reviews
April 15th, 20092:55 pm
Alright Ray, the liner diaz lost in lights was the first batter of the inning, nick johnson. Show me a video or picture where he showed emotion as an angel
April 15th, 20092:56 pm
Medlen threw 55 pitches in 5 innings. One AAA game, no big deal, but you gotta love that kind of efficiency.
Also, look at the game against the Phillies with the 8-run 7th inning. When Diaz was up to bat in the last inning, you could tell he was angry. When he hit that homer you could see the anger on his face , when he was in the batter’s box and as he rounded the bases. I really like Diaz because of how much he really cares about the games.
“Do you folks remember when Diaz misjudged the liner in left field last week against the Nats? The one that should have been the third out but instead rolled to the wall? Do you remember the look of silent rage burbling beneath his eyes for the following several minutes, as he excoriated himself for failing to get the job done and help his team?”
Going to have a fried fish dinner tonight. Florida can’t be this good right?
April 15th, 20092:59 pm
Marlins park looks pretty sweet…I just don’t understand…how they are going to fill it with more than 30,000 they usually look like they have 10,000 fans. And the Marlins are usually pretty good…and still cant fill their stadium.
I’d be interested in seeing how GA interacts and such around the clubhouse. I’m sure he is trying to adjust after being with the Angels for hsi entire career. But I’d still like to know how he is fitting in with everyone else.
Run Heap Run
Yea. Maybe they can add a really big cow to spruce up the place.
April 15th, 20093:00 pm
DOB, you had me going for a minute about your sister being a beat writer for the Yankees. Good one.
ray k.Garret Anderson, after inexcusably dropping two gimme foul balls, the latter costing a run, looked utterly indifferent.
no, i think thats wrong. he looked pretty mad after the second one. but yeah, he needs to sit in favor of diaz for now.
April 15th, 20093:02 pm
Regarding Anderson’s errors in the field – ESPN last night said he had 2 errors in his prev 298 games in the field. So thats a pretty significant number of games, most of them however in ballparks he is familiar with in the AL, mainly AL west. Got to say, a new ballpark and its walls has to take sometime for him to get used to.
I’m really not one of those who gets down an individual player for one night’s woeful play, BUT… it’s been a long time since I’ve seen a major leaguer play a less inspired game than Garrett Anderson played last night. And I like Garrett Anderson… glad that the Braves picked him up for what should be considered a bargain basement price, and I’m not really talking about the two plays that he made the erors on. But he just looked like his mind was a hundred miles away… or maybe 2000 miles away (or whatever the distance from Atlanta to Anaheim is)!
Even when Andruw was having some terrible plate appearances here (and he had his share of them) he still went out and gave you all he had on defense, which was a lot. But Anderson’s play last night reminded me of the few games I watched Andruw play in LA… he just looked LOST… HOMESICK… OUT OF PLACE… or whatever you wish to call it.
I think that after seeing that last night and knowing that even though he may not make ALL the plays… still, Matt Diaz gives you everything he’s got on every play. (Which, BTW is one thing that Mike Martin at FSU said attracted him to Matt.) And I think he could roll out of the sack, wipe the sleep from his eyes and go out there and hit… especially against the fish.
One woeful night at the plate (or in leftfield) doesn’t make this team, but I think we’re a better team with Matt Diaz out there at this point.
G-Braves are one-hitting…Durham (5-0)…through 7 innings.
April 15th, 20093:03 pm
You shouldn’t judge how much people care by how they look after making a mistake. Everyone has different ways of reacting to things so to say that he was indifferent just because he didn’t have a look of silent rage isn’t fair. Anderson has been one of the most consistent players in baseball over the past 10 years. If he is given time to get back into the swing of things then he will produce.
April 15th, 20093:04 pm
Watching Garett(sp?) Anderson was painful last night. His shoulders were slumped and he was staring off into the stands with his glove down. He looked like it was the last place on earth he wanted to be. Not to mention his effort with 2 errors. He probably should have cut off the ball in the corner too that allowed the run from first. Is he always like this (almost like the issue with Andrew Jones with the smirk all of the time). Hopefully this doesn’t mean we picked up a malcontent…
Can somebody ’splain who a major league manager could not know that Diaz has “hit .425 with seven homers, 21 RBI and a .446 OBP and .708 slugging percentage in 36 games, leading current Braves in each of those categories against Florida?”
Or did he know it, but start a rusty veteran coming off injury anyway?
April 15th, 20093:06 pm
I thought they should have pulled Anderson to send a message. You just can’t drop two (possibly 3) fly balls in a game. Not when you were gifted a position in left over Diaz without much of a ST battle.
April 15th, 20093:07 pm
Guys when is chipper going to get his contract?
THe Braves are going to want to see a good deal of Hudson by the end of the year so they can evaluate whether or not to excercise his option, if he looks like he’s back and throwing his pitches and getting the groundballs as usuual, I expect they will keep him on in 2010, now that said, what if Vasquez say goes 16-10? Do you try to trade him thinking Hudson is back, but the question is, if Vazquez can be had a few million cheaper, why would you opt for Hudson over him when Hanson is waiting in the wings? We know too the problems Huddy has had with the side muscle pulls. I believe Carpenter went out of yesterday’s game with that problem. If Huddy can’t look like the old Hudson by the end of season I don’t believe Wren will roll the dice if Vasquez remains solid. I think it is foolish to base any arguments at this point on Huddy’s past performances coming off his surgery.
April 15th, 20093:08 pm
People, reality check. Long season — seven games down, 155 to go. An 0-for-4 and two E7s (on foul balls) does not suddenly make the rock-solid Garret Anderson a bum. (And have you noticed? That’s the only game face he has — it’s a poker face, and I have no problem with it.) Now if he’s hitting .201 with a sub-.600 OPS at the All-Star Break, then yes, that’s a problem. But c’mon — it’s one game.
Same goes for pretty much everything else — the beauty of a 162-game season is that over the weeks and months, you get the true measure of things. And on that score, I feel pretty good.
Diaz worked his butt off in the off-season only to have his position in left taken over by a guy that isnt hitting or fielding? That has got to be rough for Matty. No way Diaz sits tonight…no way.
April 15th, 20093:09 pm
If you want more 411 on the Marlins new stadium check out these 2 links
The stadiumpage link has better renderings than ballparksofbaseball.com
…I think the new stadium will be a mistake 5 years down the road…Has anyone noticed that the Nationals are already having issues filling out their new digs? And their fanbase isn’t no where near as bad as the fanbase is in S. Florida…
DOB, KOB is much hotter than you are. No offense.
james chipper already got an extension…don’t know where you have been
April 15th, 20093:10 pm
Hmmm, that was odd. I was not anywhere near the submit button.
April 15th, 20093:12 pm
If my employer paid me the type of money that G Anderson is earning I would come to the stadium and plant my u kno in left field, march down the steps to the wall, the stands to make sure I learned my “territory”
They also practice and field balls everyday so shouldn’t he get some fly balls in his area to help him out. I have seen players walk in the outfield along the grass and the warning track to field out ground flaws
lighting and sunshine “what ifs”. So I say BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
April 15th, 20093:13 pm
Good point Tomahawkin… but if you gave the Nats the Fish’s winning percentages (and future promise) just over the past couple of years I think that they would have very respectable crowds most every day.
April 15th, 20093:14 pm
Whats up with Chipper??? Is he playing tonight??
April 15th, 20093:15 pm
I am not ready to write GA off yet but I too have noticed the look of indifference he shows. That may be his personality but it comes off as lackadasical.(sp?) I like Matt’s desire to win and the emotion that he shows as well but we need GA to get fired up and make that platoon work. For us Braves fans, we don’t like losing anymore. We have tried our best to block the 80’s out of our minds and we all feel a sense of urgency with Chipper getting a year older every year. We need to get Infante more at bats, he is automatic right now.
April 15th, 20093:17 pm
BossLady…good point…no excuse for not knowing your home park.
April 15th, 20093:20 pm
jamesGuys when is chipper going to get his contract?
a couple of weeks ago.
April 15th, 20093:21 pm
Marlins will be good, but I think there offense will have problems over the long season. They’re all free swingers who strikeout way too much and don’t walk enough. Their streakiness will cause problems when they go through hitting slumps with a team comprised of all free swingers. Their starting pitching should keep them in a lot of games, but they’re also really young, so over a full season they’re going to have some problems too (injuries, adjustments, stamina, etc.), that a veteran staff would probably handle more easily.
I think they’ll have a season similar to recent years: stay in it for awhile, but tail off towards the end with a still respectable finish.
I’ve noticed that the marlins have 6 year-cycles for their development…
The prospects that they sell the team for takes 6 years to get into the playoffs. Its a funny thing I noticed…
They won in 97, and 2003 so they are due if that 6 year cycle remains true (hopefully it will not)…And after this offseason or next they are due to have another fire-sale…therefore It will be hard to retain a strong fanbase down there…Bank on it!
All you Amazing Kreskins that seem to know whether a player is motivated or not should really get a clue. GA made a couple of boneheaded plays and isn’t hitting yet.
Long way to go, folks!
April 15th, 20093:22 pm
Cody Johnson is raking down at Myrtle Beach, and so is Freeman-
April 15th, 20093:23 pm
G-Braves bullpen sucks too. Boone Logan/Luis Valdez…garbage. Game tied 3-3. 3-run homer
April 15th, 20093:24 pm
Anybody going to the game tonight?
I couldn’t agree more Mike S. At least that’s the hope I have.
says, “Diaz loves to sit next to me in the dugout.”
April 15th, 20093:25 pm
GA looked bad not only on the errors but also on a misplayed ball later that scored Bonafacio. He just looked lazy jogging over to it while Bonafacio was flying around the bases. GA should realize that the fans will still root for their guys when they are struggling. But they aren’t going to cheer on a guy for playing half assed defense and looking like he could care less.
James I hope you’re not serious but he got his 3 year deal over a week ago.
April 15th, 20093:28 pm
I can remember many years ago when Ray Knight and Harry Spilman who are from my hometown came back to their old ballpark right before reporting to spring training, Ray of course with the Reds and HArry with the Astros I believe. Any way, they were practicing(don’t know if this was a regular event or an impromptu deal) but they were hitting these huge infield pop-ups to each other and catching them bare-handed and not dropping many, if any at all. All of us high schoolers were in awe. I would like to think professionals like Garrett Anderson practiced in the off season to get ready for spring training. We keep hearing the excuse that “he didn’t get that much time in during spring training.” MAybe so, but surely he put time in in the off-season.
April 15th, 20093:29 pm
Well, Boom Logan and the rest of the ‘pen have cost Medlen the win today, but Medlen’s started 2 games, given up a total of 1 hit and 1 walk, with 10 K’s, in 8 + innings so far. Not bad.
April 15th, 20093:31 pm
Someone remind me why the Braves brain trust signed Logan and O’FLaherty? Logan 1/3 inning two runs at AAA. Why didn’t they take the money for both and resign Ohlman?
April 15th, 20093:32 pm
mbatl, medlin didn’t start during his first outing. He came in and relieved hanson but agreed he has looked awesome so far.
April 15th, 20093:33 pm
Kenny Powers cuts hiw own hair.
The ghost of Will......Ohlman?
April 15th, 20093:34 pm
You can’t keep a good ghost down!
April 15th, 20093:35 pm
macdwolfpack…..Logan was part of the Vazquez trade. And I don’t know the actual numbers, but I doubt what both are making together would’ve been enough to sign Ohman since he turned down at least one offer (two according to some reports I remember reading) the Braves had on the table for him.
Ummm…because they offered Ohman a contract and he turned them down…that could be why. Might just be me, though.
I noticed that Bueno is pitching quite well for Gwinnett. Could he be the Braves lefty specialist solution? He can’t be much worse than O’Flaherty.
April 15th, 20093:36 pm
vabravesfan, yeah, noticed that right after my post… but he does look good (on the Internet, anyway!)
April 15th, 20093:37 pm
Kenny Powers – does the Floobee count?
The Patron Saint of the Lost Art
Fischerking04, I was sitting in LF last night and recall the play you are speaking of. Schafer covered twice as much ground as GA getting to the ball. GA is clearly still bothered by his strained calf. He was running very slowly and gingerly. I don’t think he is lacking desire. Have you ever run on a sprained ankle or with a hurt toe or foot? Maybe he shouldn’t be out there until he is healthier, I dont know. But I don’t think you can say he isn’t trying.
April 15th, 20093:38 pm
Tomahawkin… I’m agreeing with you. I’m just adding that if the Nats were what the Fish are “on the field” today with their starting pitching and two or three can’t miss guys (Ramirez, Uggla, et al) that they probably wouldn’t have attendance issues.
Florida has all of those things and if anybody’s been down there lately, they sure as everything holy have the fannies to fill the seats and yet, as you say, they just don’t do it. And if history proves itself (the 6 year cycle you spoke of) all of their superstars will be gone before the parking lots are paved.
I ain’t ag-in ya… I’m wit ya.
April 15th, 20093:40 pm
I am not one to overrreact. But, watching Garrett Anderson play last night was kind of concerning. He really doesn’t look like he wants to be out there. Supposedly, that is how he has looked since the day he started playing the game. Maybe, but I do not know for sure.
If he starts hitting and playing adequate defense, nobody will care. But, if he continues to suck it up, he will think he is playing in philly from all of the “Boo” birds. He needs to get it together. Diaz will probably be in there tonight against the lefty. Then again, Bobby might put Garrett back out there to have a chance to get last night’s game out of his head.
April 15th, 20093:41 pm
Kinda tired of the way the braves work. Waiting on Glavine putting Hanson off. Dealing with Anderson and sitting Diaz. Anderson and Glavine have no place on our team and Diaz needs to be giving the chance to play. Being loyal to Glavine is a joke. Same player who went to the Mets. Its not like hes a lifer or anything. Build the team with players who can win. Stop waiting on the old men for their last hurrah. Im tired of it. Lets sign and play to win shall we?
wolfpack we didnt sign logan he was part of the vasquez trade..
Kenny Powers, well um, duh!
April 15th, 20093:42 pm
Maybe, a better question might have been why didn’t we just save the money on O’Flaherty and go get us a LH reliever that is dependable.
I too think that maybe Bueno along with Reyes may be better answers than Logan and O’Flaherty
April 15th, 20093:43 pm
Glavine needs to stop trying to rehab his shoulder…and just pitch one final game on adrenaline like in “For Love of the Game”. Then we can honor him and let him go.
April 15th, 20093:46 pm
Kenny Powers could play on 3 strained calves.
Lillibridge leading off for the W Sox today. 0for3 with a walk. He’s at .077 on the year.
Josh Anderson started in LF for the Tigers, is 2for2 and is at .308 on the young season.
Anderson is about to bat on WGN.
O’Flaherty makes the league minimum, don’t think you were going to find a “dependable” LH reliever for the league minimum. Anyone you sign is going to have the risk of being knocked around from time to time. I think it’s going to take a trade to really fix the LH reliever problem, but you still aren’t going to get top notch one without giving up something good from the minor leagues.
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