2:53 pm April 8, 2009, by David O'Brien
April 8th, 20096:42 pm
Yes, there must be a package deal with BB, Acosta, Campillo, and Reyes. Can’t we trade them to China for a shipping palette of coozies?
Boyer, Campillo, Acosta, and Reyes. It sounds like an East LA law firm.
April 8th, 20096:43 pm
That Guy is sooo right…
Huh, yeah. That’s for sure.
Time for the Bobby Cox post-game comments like:
1. Well we let one get away
2. Boyer was a little tired (he threw too many warmup pitches)
3. Boyer is my boy but he’s human
4. I’ll keep putting Blainy out there
5. Frenchy had a good game (actually he looked like a wash-woman on that last atbat)
6. You have to hand it to the Phillies
Yeh, I guess that you could say that Anderson is not that hurt. I’m bot that hurt either and I honestly could have looked as good as he did against Lidge. Not loving his lax attitude.
mets fan in atlanta
MEDAWG, back at some point in the late 90’s, the Braves changed almost their entire bullpen in one day, bringing up Kerry Lightenburg, Cather, and someone else (Embree??), and releasing the guys who were there. Spurred them to another title.
Really #1 pen? You promise? How the H do you know? I’m betting in 6th inning you’d have “promised” that the Braves will win this game. Until the games are played, you (or I) have no idea who is going to win them. THAT, I’ll promise.
April 8th, 20096:44 pm
After all, BENNETT did give up the losing run
April 8th, 20096:45 pm
Cox shouldn’t be blamed for moylan, boyer, etc. forgetting how to throw strikes, but really people….7 run lead, 3 innings to go…just bring in campillo or carlyle from the start and let them at it
If someone looks at Chipper wrong, he might kill them.
headline is wrong…Vasquez held em fine. When is Bobby going to start letting these starters go at least seven when they have quality starts? The bullpen is poison.
Baracked the vote!
Way to manage a bullpen, Cox! at least sorry-ano could have been put in.. six batters come to the plate w/o an out being recorded and Cox sits there picking his nose..amazing.
OK, I just threw up.
Did Bobby get ejected from the park while I was running? How exactly did 4 runs get walked in? Wha…how..why….who does that? Somebody get the stats on how many teams in the history of MLB have allowed 4 runs to be walked in within 2 innings. Are the braves the first member of this super exclusive club?!
Let’s not go off the deep end here. Braves won a series in Phily and that’s what we wanted to do. Mission accomplished.
The pen had one spectacularly horrible game, but that isn’t unusual for the first series of the season. It’s way too early to start throwing people under the bus.
It sure would’ve been nice to have had Ohman this series.
Ugly loss, but it only counts once. Let’s see how the team bounces back. I bet they do just great.
This is all on the bullpen. The real Braves players have nothing to feel bad about. We have a good team.
Don’t everybody get negative. They, the Phillies, did win the freaking World Series last year. They showed that they know how to keep their bats on their shoulders.
We still can’t get this one back and we need everyone we can get.
Of course, it was probably good enough for Bobby. It’s all about winning series right?
The only thing that’s going to bother me is the handful of baseball writers who just ever so slightly started reconsidering the Braves. Now they’re just gonna be like, “well the Phillies are just slow starters, they’ll be alright. The Braves probably overperformed a little, they really need Chipper Jones if they’re gonna win.”
But who needs a pundit? They’re always wrong. We don’t want them on our side anyway.
We showed the Phillies. The only thing they had on us the past four days was their bullpen is better than ours. We beat them in every other facet of the game.
Everybody looks awesome. I think even Gonzo and Soriano will (might) be alright). Those middle relievers need to get lost.
I was under the impression Moylan looked good during the Spring.
And by good, I mean he was throwing strikes. He could get the ball over the plate.
“mets fan in atlanta is right” – Kurdt Kobain
Rule 1 – Mutts fan in ATL is never right
Rule 2 – When he’s right, he’s still wrong
Rule 3 – See rules 1 and 2
April 8th, 20096:46 pm
The fact of the matter is…had we just simply lost that would be different…2-1 against the Phillies is good…but to give a game away is just AWFUL.
Here is the bottom line – Bob Gibson was a bony asthmatic. He pitched 28 complete games including 13 shutouts one year. We need to take the starters into late innings when they are rolling. There is no reason Vasquez could not have gone into the 7th or even finished it. I’m sick of pitch counts and inning counts. This is baseball, these are supposed to be men – let them damn well prove it by throwing some innings. When did this game get handed over to pussies?
not BOBBY’S FAULT.. come on man.. he calls the shots.. what has blaine boyer done for this team.,, absolutely zip.. i have no clue how that joke of a pitcher ever made this roster after last yr.. he blew so many leads last yr and what a good start for him 8 balls out of 9 pitches. yea thats a major league pitcher for you.. Where was Soriano ?.. i hand this game to Bobby cox first for his moronic pitching choices and taking O’flaherty out just because he gave up a single and hit Howard?He actually got an Out before being taken out.. Come On.. all starts with our wonderful manager then u blame moylan who shouldnt of been in there and NEVER BLAINE BOYER. what a tradegy having him on any major league team.. the same old guys blow this game again.. THEY ALL NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO VASQUEZ for there joke of major league pitching… He pitched a gem for 6 innings and they undo his hard work in a half of an inning.. they should be benched and released after that performance.. we should be 3-0..
Well at least more fans are showing some emotion again… pissed is an emotion right?
I shoulda listened to Gone and Murder Incorporated when I had the chance…
April 8th, 20096:47 pm
Rahul. COX should be blamed. He has been doing this for the last 3 years. Mishandling the bullpen. He should put his closer out there to stop an obvious rally and stop putting his boys out there.
Alright, who had Moylan and/or Boyer on your fantasy team?
its easy to find relievers that wont give up 8 runs in one inning though.
The ghost of Will Ohman
Walking in four runs isn’t just a bad day. It speaks volumes about the mental makeup of your bullpen. This isn’t a situation where you just say, “shake it off” and go forward. Something serious is wrong here.
The Chicken Little, “the sky is falling” stuff continues, just like it has for the last few years. It’s mass hysteria! It’s waiting for someone else to save you instead of stepping up yourself.
I can cut Moylan some slack. He’s come through more often than he has failed. He’s coming off surgery. Boyer? I’ve never been a fan and still not a fan. He’s not mentally tough. He’ll fold when the pressure is on just like he did today.
Well, what to make of that. I was a little shocked when Bobby came to get O’Flat but I know he was thinking with two men on and 1 out he could get Moylan to induce a ground ball for a DP or an out. It didn’t work out as Moylan just didn’t have the control he usually does. But we were still up 4 runs I believe when he left with one out. Boyer didn’t come anywhere close to any hitters he faced. By the time campillo got in there and with his pithing style i knew there probably wouldn’t be a strikeout. He struggled with his control too but was able to get the last two out luckily but it was after he gave up the lead.
I know they all struggled but i’m most disapointed in Boyer. When I saw him come in the 1st thing I thought was here is his chance to redeem himself for those two games last year and all he did was add feul to the fire. I was hoping that him having worked with Smoltz this offseason something Smoltz like would have rubbed off on him. I guess not. He has serious confidance problems.
On the otherhand Javy Vazquez pitched a good game. He wasn’t perfect but he battled and gave us 6 innings and limited his damage. The offense was good too without Chipper and the funky strikezone. Hopefully having an offday and a pitcher going Friday who can pitch 8 innings will give the guys some time to get over this one.
Aw McFann, what a birthday gone bad, huh?
Blaine Boyer is a big tub of goo
Blaine Boyer’s earned run average = infinity.
That’s larger than a GOOGOL (which is 10 to the 100th power).
April 8th, 20096:48 pm
I’ll reserve my comments for later this evening. Be ready.
“Because he’d thrown over 100 pitches and his team had a 6 run lead, maybe? mbatl
It’s not really Cox bashing. Just a question. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. I wasn’t home to watch the game. I thought perhaps he DID come out for the 7th and didn’t record an out.
But either way. Dude is being touted as a “horse”. Horses, don’t come out after 6 innings. They take the ball, and save the bullpen from having to work.
The guy (Vazquez) is going to have an ERA around 4.00 – 5.00 at the end of the season. He’s taking a roster spot that Hanson (or Jo-Jo) could be gaining valued experience/confidence. The ONLY reason (and I’ve been saying this since we traded for him), that he’s hear is to eat innings.
If he can’t eat innings in a game like this, I have ZERO interest in watching him pitch. I didn’t want him. I was mad he is all we got for Flowers, and if Hanson is held down in AAA because we’re payin this guy 11.5 million dollars, I’m gonna be pizzed.
I’ll say it right now. He’s gonna have to be lights out for me to shut up about him. Didn’t want him. Still don’t.
That being said, somebody take Boyer out back and put him out of our misery. As for Moylan. He obviously has zero business being on the ML roster right now. DL him and find somebody that can help (when our innings eater only goes 6 innings).
I’m done now.
Did Moylan get any ST practice in at all? I only pitched one ST game and look at me!
I have been so unimpressed by Garret Anderson. I’ve seen him drop 2 fly balls in the outfield that landed slap in the middle of the webbing. I’ve been even less impressed at his approach at the plate. His swing is long and slow, and it looks like he cant hit anything over the outer half of the plate. He does not need to take ab’s away from Diaz!
April 8th, 20096:49 pm
You cannot defend walks, Roger, rule number 1.
Wow, what an embarrassment. That obviously overshadows anything good that happened in the first two games, and will take some time to recover from.
and I totally agree with ross. Vasquez should of been allowed to go longer than the six as long as HE could until he was getting hit.. But no Bobby blows it and gives the bullpen 3 innings. the manager and pitchers are to blame NO ONE ELSE.
HOW IN THE WORLD IS COX TO BE BLAMED???? He didn’t “mishandle” the bullpen! He brought in, what, 4 guys in that inning and NONE of them could throw a strike. Give me a break.
If you’re going to just hate Cox no matter what he does, then just say it. Don’t blame him for everything bad that happens. “Ah, its raining at Turner Field. Damn you, Bobby!” Please…
A blogger said: “Alright, who had Moylan and/or Boyer on your fantasy team?”
It just so happens that I have Boyer on my fantasy pizza delivery team!
What’s up with this bulpen? I think there are some good arms like Soriano, and Gonzalez. I like Bennet, and Moylan too(but I think Moylan was just throwing to slow today). Second time I’ve seen this happen(last year just before Texeira got traded, the day before in fact), they had a 10-3 lead and lost 11-10 with Boyer giving up a big homer to Dobbs with 2 men on. DEJA VU.
April 8th, 20096:50 pm
I guess Boyer needs to give his buddy Smoltz a call and get the name of his sports shrink. No doubt that he wishes he was with his buddy in Boston right about now.
N8? How is this Vasquez’s fault? And did you really just say OhNo would be a better starter?
Why are people bringing up Acosta and Reyes? They didn’t have anything to do with todays meltdown.
And don’t be afraid to say that blog favorite Moylan stunk too.
Didn’t we trade for Vazquez because he was an “innings eater”? And then Booby Cox takes him out and doesn’t let him “eat” innings when he has finally settled down and pitched three consecutive innings of shut-out ball? Are you freakin’ kidding me?
Yeah, he did pitch in ST, or he wouldn’t have made the opening roster. I thought he was pretty impressive too. Dunno what happened today.
Everyone’s just going to have to collectively shake this one off and move on, as hard as that may be. Hey, it can’t get any worse, right? You can’t get any higher than an undefined ERA.
April 8th, 20096:51 pm
Kurdt – I’m with you, the Cox bashing needs to stop…. that sh*t hurts.
Jeff, you are so out of line blaming Bobby for this loss. That’s just stupid. When 4 different relievers can’t throw a strike, I really don’t think it’s the managers fault. Good god, get off the “it’s bobby’s fault he didn’t pull him after the 1st ball he threw”!
Garrett looks like he is just cashing a paycheck. Diaz looks better.
I agree on Boyer. Don’t see too much special about O’flaherty. Irish people are tough, no doubt, but he sucks. ive seen 5 yr old girls have more cajones than the entire bullpen combined, today
April 8th, 20096:52 pm
I gotta agree w/ Jeff here…It doesn’t seem to matter the name or number on the back of the jersey anymore because Bobby is bound to put the wrong guy in at the wrong situation…this is just as much on him as it is on the pen. He can’t make the right decisions anymore (hasn’t for quite awhile now) and when he does make decisions its always 1-2 batters too late…
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…only way we do anything this year is if Bobby doesn’t screw it up…
Step 1 began today…way to ruin the players’ confidence 3 games into the season skipper! Instead of waiting til July to show his true colors, Bobby is starting early this year.
blaine boyer had thoughts of greg dobbs three run shot last year during that entire appearance.
10-6 bases drunk, he wanted no part of the strike zone.
he did not wanna be THE GUY that blew the game.
the dude sure has a high opinion of himself if you have ever heard him interviewed.
N Nine (Boyer needs to go)
Goo dude, you’re back! I have to agree with you today. He’s gotta go as N8 said losing a 10-3 game is unacceptable.
DOB, you did set a goal of 18 pages in a day- there you have it! we had a few pages from last blog today. There’s people pulling their hair after that nuclear meltdown.
Here we go again.
this team will not win anything if we cant get 3 solid innings out of our bullpen when needed. when your up 10-3 just throw the ball over the plate and make the other team beat you. that was absolutely sickening to witness a blowup like that. i thought the braves were back, but then the bullpen had to ruin it all.
Can Bobby let the starters go longer this year? I swear I hate our bullpen!! Every season same thing!! We would have a few more world championship rings with a good bullpen back in the day. Its not fair to the fans and the other players to let these “relievers” come into the game just to blow it over and over. I hope Bobby does not stick with certain guys like he did last year. Its selfish and this is the Atlanta Braves!! Not Atlanta Boyer, Acostas or other scabs in that pen!!!
April 8th, 20096:53 pm
Dave, can I ask you a question? Seriously? I mean, seriously?
What the heck just happened?
The only thing I beleive Bobby did wrong was take O’Flaerthy out early and bring Moylan in..in the middle of an inning…we knew he’d be shaky so starting an inning would’ve been better for him.
I agree about Sarge (DIaz) – he’s a leader out there and has fun. The Braves are not lacking a bullpen so much as they are lacking FUN. Watching TuBBo f**k up is not FUN.
April 8th, 20096:54 pm
And no offense Greg, but anyone w/ half a brain and some knowledge of the game would have noticed that Moylan is not ready and probably won’t be for awhile…the fastball is 5 mph slow and nothing is breaking like its supposed to…
I do believe that one is on Bobby for bringing him in…as it is w/ all of the guys he brings in…
how many pitches do you want bobby to let his starters throw on their 1st start of the season! 140? hell, let’s just let em throw 200 pitches if it gets us a damn win. Some people are idiots.
DOB said it was the worst inning of pitching he’s ever seen. Its the worst I’ve ever seen. It’s the worst most people have probably ever seen. Its bad enough that everyone in the bullpen forgot everything they ever learned about pitching without people throwing the blame around.
I’m still stunned, but you gotta shake it off and move on. I expect the visiting clubhouse is a very unfriendly place now.
Never liked Boyer, still don’t! Moylan doesn’t need to be ANYWHERE near the mound if he can’t get his velocity past 89mph and having major control issues! He’s obviously not ready and Cox probably should’ve just let O’Flaherty finish that inning out. But… coulda, shoulda, woulda, don’t matter now. No hats off to the Phillies either, we gave them a gift.
and Greg I will say this as well Frank Wren did absolutely nothing to improve that position. He goes out and gets Anderson?. Hello Adam Dunn was out there for the taking.. I would of loved his bat in a braves uniform. he has 5 rbi’s and what has anderson done ZIP. Diaz is a great man to have behind Dunn.. way to blow that one Frank Wren..
April 8th, 20096:55 pm
Chernobyle meltdown was nothing compaired to Braves bullpen
that ball park plays with relever’s heads.
instead of challenging hitter’s, they are all afraid of giving up the big fly.
Geez, guys, we had a 6-run lead, our starter had gone 6 with a high pitch count. There was no logical reason to leave Vazquez in the game. I just don’t get this criticism.
The criticism (if necessary) should go to Moylan, Campillo and Boyer, who didn’t do their jobs today.
I really don’t think it’s the end of the world, though the blog (and probably ESPN) will make it seem like it is.
April 8th, 20096:56 pm
If Blaine Boyer could actually pitch he would be Joba Chamberlain.
Or Joba Goo, to his friends.
Oh, and bringing Boyer in w/ men on base….HUGE mistake…HUGE! When has Boyer EVER proven to be able to come in to an already bad situation and NOT make it worse?!
I think that Jordan Schafer should do a press conference like Tim Tebow and use that same speech. Maybe he will carry us into the post-season
In fairness to Moylan, he pitched really well to the first couple of batters, but was getting squeezed pretty badly. As for Boyer….well, you have to be CLOSE to the plate at least. I think McCann deserves to be player of the game for not allowing any of those pitches to become wild pitches or passed balls.
BOYER stands for
Garrett Anderson is an embarassment…along with most of the bullpen. Let’s make some changes before things like today get to be recurring nightmare.
i threw up again. gonna throw up for every run we walked in today
April 8th, 20096:57 pm
Has anyone watched any of the games this season? None of the starters have gone over 100 pitches. None. It’s the first week of the season and he’s not pushing his starters farther than he needs to.
And with a 7 run lead, there’s no reason to keep Vasquez in there longer than you have to. You figure that is safe unless something apocalyptic happens… which it did…
How can Bobby possibly know that the guy he hands the ball to is going to stink it up? The best he can do is go with the match up or the most rested and see what happens and then if it blows up try somebody else. Y’all act like he wants to lose a 7 run lead. Its on the bullpen, not BC. Its early…I have faith that adjustments will be made where needed.
April 8th, 20096:58 pm
BRAVES ARE 2-1!!!!! YEAAHHHH!
No reason to keep the starter in except that we’re leading, the starter is dominating, and the bullpen sucks.
The ghost of Will Ohman–
On the plus side, McCann’s AVG went up 133 points.
Ahhh…the bullpen is such a killjoy.
April 8th, 20096:59 pm
I see two positive things coming out of philly this week…
1) The bravos won the series 2-1. That’s what it takes to be playing in October, winning series.
2) I’m pretty sure we’ll see Hanson in the bullpen before May is out.
Not now MFin04, we’re in no mood
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April 8th, 20097:00 pm
For those complaining about taking Vazquez out, he threw a ton of pitches in the 2nd inning – it was time for him to come out.
McFann_ Please, go enjoy your birthday and do something, you deserve a better day.
at least Mac had a great day for you…
April 8th, 20097:01 pm
Its a long season, and you don’t push starters in their first start when they have a 7 run lead. That’s why you take them out.
I realize Boyer is a good Christian dude and all, and Moylan is good ole’ Aussie fella, but this is why I couldn’t be an athlete even if I had the talent like a pro. I’d wait until one or both of these guys are alone, and seriously rip them a new A-HOLE! No reason to not throw K’s… NONE! SHAME ON THEM…
Baseball is supposed to be fun – Sarge (Diaz) is fun – that goofy looking kid Schafer is fun – Hanson is fun. Garrett Anderson is not fun – or is that Morgan Freeman? Chipper is fun when the team itself is not embarrassing him. Frenchy is still a goofy kid. This team has the potential to have a lot of fun and be entertaining – but not when this sort of brain-dead game management happens. This is dispiriting because it shows that someone has a faulty baseball circuit. That needs to get fixed quick or we’re looking at another death march.
blaine boyer is a big tub of goo,
that is the funniest sh*t i have heard all day!
The bullpen is what it is. The sheer stupidity of giving a 3 year extension to a 38 year old man in a 60 year old body who could get hurt while chasing his wife playfully with a towel, NOW that is the galling thing.
Kurdt Kobain, like i said earlier, Soriano could have been brought in. what is worse, bashing Cox, or never placing blame with the manager? I have said many times in the past, the jerk should have been fired for hitting his wife. Take a look at a stat posted during the espn game on sunday night..oldest managers to win a world series..cox will be 68 this year.. ain’t going to happen..McKeon won at age 73 with the Marlins, which is an amazing stat..which was their 2nd WS trophy..stop drinking the kool aid
April 8th, 20097:02 pm
BOYER stands for
“Boy ‘er those bullpen pitchers pathetic and unathletic.”
Frank from KS
Enter your comments here…….uh……..wow.
Something tells me Chipper is very very very very very pissed off right now. People might want to keep he and Moylan and Boyer on opposite ends of the plane home.
Rob from SC
April 8th, 20097:03 pm
Why the hell was Bobby playing LH matchups up seven to start the 7th. Buddy Carlyle should have goten the ball. Bobby can’t manage a bullpen. That said Moylan needs to go to the DL.
Wow, that had shades of 2008 written all over it.. I am giving Moylan a little push in this one because he is only 11 months removed from TJ surgery and he hasn’t had nearly as much time to get ready as the others that messed up in the 7th inning had..
There are absolutely no excuses for Boyer or Campillo.. Both of those guys should be on.. Boyer was horrendous for us last season and much like Manny Acosta, I would have liked to have seen Boyer optioned to AAA or released.. They could have signed a reliever in free agency that could have pitched better then Boyer..
Oh well, we still took 2 of 3 from Philly and obviously won the series.. Now lets go back home and beat up on the winless Nationals.. To bad that the bullpen had to spoil such a great outing for Vasquez.. Our starting pitching is doing great, now lets hope that today’s bullpen disaster is not a sign of things to come..
UMMMMM, WTF!!!!!?!?!?!?!?! I leave to go pick up my son in the 7th inning and it is 10-3 Braves. I think, hey, we got this one in the bag, how sweep it is. I get home to check the final score thinking we may have added a run or two and we did, we added another run, but the Phillies added 9 MORE RUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF?!?!?! This bullpen needs an overhaul, starting with Boyer. I never have liked Boyer, ever. Moylan, I understand having a bad day just coming back from surgery, but Boyer has no excuse. And what happened, did the luck of the Irish run out on O’Flaherty? He threw great yesterday but gave up two today!
Oh well, 2 out of 3 aint bad, and look at it this way, we did score 11 runs, so our offense is there.
April 8th, 20097:04 pm
I dont know what the Atlanta Braves see in Boyer the guy just is one of the worst pictures in the league and im not just saying this because of what happen today
A good friend of mine used to say, “This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains.”
Think about that for a while.
All-Star suckitude, absolutely. I’ve actually seen worse-pitched innings, but, I’ve erased them from my memory as a self-defense mechanism. The boys woosed out, no doubt.
What they hey. 159 to go, and nobody but bloggers will remember this one in a month. Braves won the series, settled any confidence issues on their offensive potential, and got mostly good starting pitching. That’s a lot more important than a middle-relief meltdown. Worst comes to worst, the team can bring up four new guys. They’ve done it before.
this team is awful, this bullpen i said before the season started they would finish in 4th place, as of this afternoon, last place, with BOOBY COX LAST PLACE,THESE PITCHERS ARE A JOKE, YOU SEND THE BEST PITCHER DOWN IN HANSEN, YHIS GAME WILL COME BACK 159 GAMES LATER AND EAT YOU ALIVE., GO LAST PLACE BRAVES, OLD A S S BRAVES
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