1:04 pm March 30, 2009, by David O'Brien
March 30th, 20094:33 pm
It should have stopped after Glavine, I just wanted to name good minor leaguers.
Ummm, heres a need to use Hudson, they are paying him.
March 30th, 20094:34 pm
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March 30th, 20094:35 pm
Hudson is our ace. If he’s ready, he should go.
We’ll just be like Team Japan – stacked with lefties.
It worked for them.
And we’ll have the real deal (K.K.) on the mound!
Pass me a Sapporo.
DOB – How fast was Gonzo throwing?
MFin04-I completely agree with you about Hudson (let the Dude heal up for 2010-we got enough pitching for now), but I think you’re being a bit tough on Gonzo. He’ll be fine. So what if he struck out minor leaguers? At least he struck them out-isn’t that what you’d hope he’d do to minor league hitters?
March 30th, 20094:36 pm
So if Glavine starts on the DL and Blanco is sent down before the season. Who’ll be the guy who’s dropped once Glavine is ready to return. Will it be the extra reliever, and if so which one.
March 30th, 20094:37 pm
I came up with Schafers wafers a week ago. Sorry.
March 30th, 20094:38 pm
the man, well, I feel pretty good about Boyer as well. And again, at the back of the ‘pen, Calyle and Campillo are reliable.
I feel really good about our ‘pen at the back (Gonzo, Moylan, Boyer), and on the other end (Carlyle, Campillo). The middle is the question mark.
If… IF Soriano can pitch most of the year, that would be huge. It would take the back of the bullpen from good to great, and would solidify the middle innings by allowing Boyer to pitch the 6th or 7th innings, rather than having to be called on late.
O’Flaherty is far from a sure thing, but he’s got a great arm, and has been coming on strong of late. Certainly looked fantastic today.
Anyway, again… the middle of the bullpen is a bit of a question mark (pending Soriano’s health, which would allow Boyer to man middle innings, and O’Flaherty’s performance)… BUT… how many bullpens – even amongst contenders – don’t have any questions?
I think this bullpen will be adequate, at the least… or one of the top ‘pens in baseball, at best. Either way, I’m not worried.
March 30th, 20094:39 pm
’scoots, according to minorleaguesplits.com, Schafer hit almost exclusively leadoff in ‘07, but mostly 3rd and 5th in ‘08.
DOB, who all did Gonzo strike out in the 9th? Also, to echo Ben’s question… what did his velocity look like?
I think you need to look at this a little more clearly “bravesfan”. Josh would’ve been picked up by a team, who knows maybe the Mets or Phillies. Do we really need to take a chance on letting one of those two teams pick up another burner on the bases? They have enough. Wren got something for a “4th OF” at least. Good trade!
March 30th, 20094:40 pm
“Blanco had his chance last year and we all know how that turned out”
In all fairness, Blanco was a rookie last year, he had an OBP > 350. He worked the count in most ABs. If other hitters in the lineup were producing like they were expected to (and that includes Tex for much of the first 2 months of the season), and Diaz did not get hurt (and play poorly beforehand), we would not have expected as much out of Blanco, and he would take less of the blame for the poor team performance in 2008. There were some negatives, but also some positives about Blanco’s game last year.
The Bloviator Downstairs
Hopefully Rudy Darrow will be as good of a reliever as Clarence Darrow was as a lawyer, but I’d settle for him being as good of a sinkerballer as Ziegler or Bradford.
Lew, I think you are wrong about Hudson too. If Huddy is ready, then they are going to use him. They are not going to pay a pitcher x amount of dollars and tell him, hey, I know you are ready to go and you are 12 months removed from the surgery, but, we dont want you playing until next year. How do you think the players union would respond to that?
dogsbrekky - UNC rocks !
Prado looks very good. I kind of prefer him at 2nd but I will be vilified here for saying so publicly
March 30th, 20094:43 pm
Jordan’s Juicers….dress like human syringes
“They wont use Hudson in the pen…and if they need another arm…its going to be Hanson…no need to use Hudson at all.”
Hmmm…$12 million rehabbing on the bench? Doubt it.
March 30th, 20094:44 pm
dogsbrekky, are you into Satan?
I’d like to see Schafer leading off to start ‘09. We can’t compare him to Sizemore right now people…the guy is a superstar. But, it won’t hurt to see how he does, especially since pitchers won’t have the edge on him at first. It could benefit Atl. for awhile and maybe for good.
March 30th, 20094:45 pm
Prado is almost too good everywhere else to be used at 2nd. He can play all the infield and will be the guy who is filling in for injuries/rest days.
mbatl, just goes to show that two years back strains my synapses, LOL. Thanks, man.
March 30th, 20094:47 pm
I’m done with the Schafer vs. Blanco argument. This shouldn’t even be a discussion. It’s almost like people like to argue just to argue. Are some of you actually that thick-headed to believe that Blanco is even remotely close to the player Schafer is? It’s not even close.
March 30th, 20094:49 pm
I’d settle for Schafer being as good as Brady Anderson or Luis Gonzalez or Mark Kotsay or Grady Sizemore or Steve Finley. I don’t care which one of those he becomes most similar to, just as long as he ends up like one or two of them.
March 30th, 20094:51 pm
Schafer’s arm is the reason he is in CF. With all things equal or near equal on the hitting side of things and speed side of things…..his arm in Center…Right and Left so far this Spring…made him a notch above Blanco and Anderson.
March 30th, 20094:54 pm
Now that Josh Anderson has been traded, I think Blanco should be named the starter in center. In addition, Wren needs to bust Schafer down to rookie ball and teach him a lesson. Too many bloggers like him too much. It’ll go to his head.
Steve from OH
March 30th, 20094:56 pm
Jersey Gil: I’d expect Johnson and Sumoza to start in Myrtle Beach and Hernandez to start in Mississippi.
Scoots (from last blog):
I meant that if it’s 7th or 8th inning of a close game, and there is a jam with a tough lefty (Ryan Howard comes to mind) coming up, I wouldn’t go all Robert if Bobby brought in Gonzo.
March 30th, 20094:58 pm
If you are referring to my last post, you should note I did not claim Blanco should be the starting CF. I simply defended him against a too harshly negative comment made by someone else.
It will definitely be interesting when Hudson is ready to return, even harder if Hanson is already in the lineup. If we’re in the hunt towards the end of the summer having a good extra pitcher would make great trade bait for a big bat.
March 30th, 20095:00 pm
Agree, The Bloviator Downstairs. I’d be pretty happy if Schafer turned into a Mark Kotsay with more stealing threats. If Kotsay didn’t hurt his back, he’s probably getting payed Torri Hunter money right now.
March 30th, 20095:02 pm
MMenerey….Agree, the NL East going to be touch, The Phillis Rotation is not good enough compare with the Bravos. Today The Phillis received bad news about Cole Hamel Today..he Pitch in the Minor league again the Iron Pig,AAA Affilate and he was lift…Moyer on Saturday also was a bad outing…That Kid from the Pirate Mccluchen, has a Homer,Triple and two Double again Moyer.
Hudson won’t make it back for the trade deadline. Which would mean someone goes to the pen. You’d have to think at that point, based on performance, it would be Glavine if he’s still around.
But Hudson will be back in 2010. $12 million for an ace is still awesome. Vasquez is probably a trade piece in that scenario, since Glavine will be gone and Hanson will certainly be in the majors, barring injury.
March 30th, 20095:03 pm
I know it’s late in the blog to mention this, but that’s the best song choice TO DATE, DOB, thanks fer the melodies…
Shafers Chaperones..or chaperon, adults who supervises one or more unmarried men or women during social occasions
March 30th, 20095:04 pm
Schafer’s wafers should be entertaining but not nearly as much as when Kelly’s Johnsons show up in left field.
March 30th, 20095:06 pm
I would have to agree that Vasquez would probably be traded IF Hudson is seen is 100% healthy and I do agree that if late in the season that comes about, that we could be trading for a big bat at first base. Or get some more great prospects in our minor leagues.
March 30th, 20095:07 pm
N Nine (eta6)
March 30th, 20095:10 pm
Ironic having Smoltz’s Pictures on the day we make a trade to Detroit Tigers. Supreme trade of all to date..
March 30th, 20095:11 pm
I don’t have a problem with the Braves keeping someone around to mop up in blow out games. With that said, its crucial that we have the best relievers available in the pen. I guarantee we lost more games in the last three years (in the late innings) than from blow outs where a long reliever starts pitching before the fourth inning.
To sum it up, if our designated pitcher for long relief is actually better than someone coming in the 7th or 8th, Bobby Cox has his priorities backwards.
March 30th, 20095:20 pm
Bubdylan – why Satan ? Just a nice Aussie Christian laddy !
March 30th, 20095:22 pm
Hey guys, just catching up to the discussion about relieving specialization on the last blog. Part of it is a CYA on the managers part. If you burn your closer in the 7th or 8th and lose in the 9th, a whole buncha crap is headed your way.Would almost hafta be a masochist to do that very often. Think what most of the posters on this board would be like.
No way we trade Vazquez if we are playoff bound……. because if we are playoff bound it is because Javier has blown away the NL EAST weenies… guy has huge talent and it will flourish under Cox
Interesting quote from Wren in the AP story about the Anderson trade:
“The center-field job is still open,” Atlanta general manager Frank Wren said. “It will be hard to keep two. We knew we couldn’t keep all three.”
Hard to keep two?
I get home from work to see that the Braves made a GREAT move. Looks like we got a really good reliever for someone who was probably not going to play much.
The Tigers sure do know how to bend over don’t they? First we get Smoltz for a nobody. Then we get Jurrjens and Gorkys for a fading Renteria. And now they trade a good RHP prospect for our 5th outfielder.
Lather up, beard comes when he hits it out. The ladies can do their legs.
Work it with a sponsor. Free Mach 3’s for everybody.
March 30th, 20095:23 pm
…beard comes off…
The once in a decade prospect is asking for LARGE SUM. Will Boras scare away the Nats? Nats could be ready to compete and give in on Boras. They did go bold by offering TEX this offseason, so anything is possible. Watch out for Strasburg.
March 30th, 20095:24 pm
dogsbrekky – after the past few years, I don’t think we’re in a position to call the NL East teams “weenies”
Schafer’s Wafers…. those were the good old days when I really enjoyed going to the Ted. Frenchy’s Maids fighting Francoeur’s Franks, Adam’s Army, McCann’s Cans, McBride’s Brides, Langerhans’ Hands, Thor’s Hammers, and I think there was also a group calling themselves Matt’s Bats.
March 30th, 20095:26 pm
cheld – it was the Langerhands I believer
March 30th, 20095:28 pm
Whatever it was, the promotions department needs to figure to bring the fun back. I’m sure a winning season would help, but maybe some sort of half-price promotion in the outfield for people dressed up in player name-themed costumes?
March 30th, 20095:29 pm
The once in a decade prospect is asking for LARGE SUM. Will Boras scare away the Nats? Nats could be ready to compete and give in on Boras. They did go bold by offering TEX this offseason, so anything is possible. Watch out for Strasburg. (NNine)
It would be interesting after all these years of Boras hate if Boras prices Strasburg down to the Braves. Boras supposedly does like our youth and D. Imagine the lift Hanson and Strasburg could bring to a second half run.
March 30th, 20095:30 pm
Has anyone been talking about the trade rumor: Darrow to Rangers for Andrew Jones? It’s all over the Rangers blog.
March 30th, 20095:31 pm
Blanco’s Broncos (dress up as horses), Kotch’s Scotches (dress up as glasses of scotch), Yunel’s Fine Cubans (dress up as cigars…or find some hot Cuban chicks)…
Moylan’s Vegemite Sandwich (I…hesitate to describe that).
The first three are pretty good.
March 30th, 20095:32 pm
there’s a Rangers blog?
Ghost of Dan Kolb
Chop Chop’s Joke Flops
Wayne in Utah
March 30th, 20095:34 pm
Random at 3:50pm today:
“Well, y’all already know how I feel about it — no need to rehash it, except to say that I savagely (yet demurely) demur from y’all’s childish spasms of hate and self-pity.”
Now there you go again, looking into my head and determining that I have a “hate” thing going on for John Smoltz. I am not sure where the self pity thing comes from.
Personally, I would just call it exactly what it is, which is disappointment. I am very disappointed in John Smoltz. I have never (nor do I now) hate him. Actually, he has been one of my all-time favorite Braves.
Assigning hate to others is a slippery slope, and a ploy used by some of our politicians to try to put their rivals in a bad light. I don’t think you want to sink to that level, do you?
I still do not understand the “self-pity” part??
(I don’t even hate you, though on occasion you can try a person’s patience!)
March 30th, 20095:35 pm
Whats the score?
Andruw jones still in the majors?!
March 30th, 20095:36 pm
Nope don’t need another OF debate. No thanks Ranger!
The guy we got is 25. I think we can see him in September. The NL’s best system just got better
March 30th, 20095:37 pm
Juts bustin your Chops
March 30th, 20095:38 pm
After reading the Tiger’s comments to the AP, the trade makes a lot of sense for them. They are a team full of sluggers and not a lot of speed. Magglio? Cabrera? Sheffield?
It makes sense to have a guy who can come in as a pinch-runner, play good outfield defense and isn’t a complete liability with the bat. Hence why they traded a prospect who might actually amount to something.
They didn’t get nearly as fleeced this time as when they gave us Jurrjens
March 30th, 20095:39 pm
Texas Ranger — Yeah, right. Braves giving up a good pitching prospect for Andruw who they could have had (and passed on) for nothing. You guys might want to tamp down that rumor.
March 30th, 20095:40 pm
For those asking who did Gonzo strike out in the 9th inning:
B:0 S:0 O:0 – Brooks Conrad remains in the game as the designated hitter.
B:0 S:0 O:0 – Pitcher Change: Mike Gonzalez replaces Eric O’Flaherty.
B:0 S:3 O:1 – Che-Hsuan Lin strikes out swinging.
B:0 S:0 O:1 – Offensive Substitution: Pinch hitter Ronald Bermudez replaces Rocco Baldelli.
B:0 S:3 O:2 – Ronald Bermudez strikes out swinging.
B:0 S:3 O:3 – Kristopher Negron called out on strikes.
March 30th, 20095:41 pm
what kind of pitches does darrow throw?
Rob from SC
Is the CF job still up for grabs
March 30th, 20095:42 pm
Ghost of Dan Kolb’s Shut Up Hater
Be careful making bold statements. It ain’t never over till the fat lady sings.
I think some of you folks are getting way to negative early on. Let’s give it some time.
For those who would totally slam the bullpen at this stage, due to the record from last year, don’t you realize that our bullpen was abused and overused (certainly not intentional, but necessary) due to the lack of decent game penetration by our starters???
Also, how can we worry too much about results; good or bad, in the spring. It is just that, spring training.
Also, might I recommend Baseball 101 or Braves ‘09 101 for some of you denizens. There seems to be some real “loosers” out there that are getting wild with their ascertions.
ie: Anderson, Blanco and Schafer being for the most part equal, except for the throwing arm???? Now who said that?? Please refer to the previous paragraph.
Is it time to re-introduce the “your and idiot” daily award?
March 30th, 20095:43 pm
Aw, come on, Chop Chop
GTI in Chicago,
Thanks for replying to my question about Francouer going to another team’s hitting coach. I figured it was some sort of side gig like you said. My real question is whether there are any limits to that kind of extracurricular activity, like whether Jaramillo would tutor a hitter on another team in the Rangers’ own division.
March 30th, 20095:44 pm
“The NL’s best system just got better”
He has good numbers below AA, but so do a lot of pitchers. Let’s wait to see what happens when he has more than a handful of starts above A ball before rush to judgment.
Ghost of Dan Kolb’s Hurt Chop Chop Make Chop Chop Cry So Mean Experience
March 30th, 20095:46 pm
Will Josh anderson play regularly with the Tigers?Id like tio see what he can do playing full time with a team for a whole season..I wish him good luck He seemed like a good guy to have on team that had too many Center fielders..perhaps Jordan Shafer will step to the plate hit .280 15 homwers 70 RBI and steal 25 bases maybe score 80-90 runs have play a good centerfield..
March 30th, 20095:47 pm
that you, Mongo? I used to make Braves fans cry for a living, so don’t feel bad.
March 30th, 20095:48 pm
Isn’t Dan Kolb still alive?
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
March 30th, 20095:49 pm
His career isn’t
Rudy Darrow would be a good F. Scott Fitzgerald character name.
March 30th, 20095:50 pm
spotts – point taken, just a figure of my speech showing my disdain for our opposition
“BASEBALL IS WAR”…………
March 30th, 20095:51 pm
Check out http://www.yahoo.com ’s homepage to see Andruw Jones working a desk job.
March 30th, 20095:52 pm
Dan Kolb’s Baseball Reference page has an interesting sponsor.
That’s what we call a “set and spike”
March 30th, 20095:53 pm
Every time our president goes on the TV, my 401K decreases! Is there a correlation there???
Do the Braves win when he is on TV?
401K vs successful 2009 Braves season…..life is full of hard choices.
March 30th, 20095:54 pm
So does Kolb’s Baseballcube page
Central Park Brave
March 30th, 20095:56 pm
How about “Ice Cold Schafers”?
knock it off guys
Wow….Kolb was Texas’ #1 prospect in 1997. That must’ve been during the war, when many major league players were fighting overseas and women had to take their places in the factories and baseball fields.
March 30th, 20095:58 pm
OK cheld, I’ll change it to deeper..
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 30th, 20096:00 pm
The Braves will be adding Jordan Schafer to the 40 man, obviously. The eighteen position players who will go north with the team is set. Cox is going to go with Francoeur, Diaz, G. Anderson and Schafer as his four main outfielders. Norton and Infante will play out in the grass, albeit rarely.
The trade of Josh Anderson is somewhat surprising but not unexpected as Mark Bowman had already alluded to the possibility. Here is wishing Josh Anderson much success in Detroit.
The only problem I have with this is, Cox won’t be using Schafer exclusively as a lead off man and the Braves just became the same agonizingly slow team we saw last season. At least the Braves got something in return for Josh.
March 30th, 20096:03 pm
Coach – If you’ll recall, last season the “agonizingly slow” Braves were also agonizingly weak. Schafer’s got some pop and speed. It’ll take some time, but he’ll be great
March 30th, 20096:04 pm
Anytime you see one of those 10-paragraph overviews from KC, you can boil it down to “The Braves are better than anybody at every position, and each player will have a career year. At least.” SCOOTS
could KC really be Bill Shanks in disguise?
March 30th, 20096:05 pm
We had a group last year and we were gonna go as “kotsay’s hotgays” and all wear ubber tight mini shorts, police hats and giant mustaches – no shirt, and huge boots. Unfortunately (or fortunately) they traded him right before we were gonna go.
Finally – i’ve got tickets to the weekend series in Pittsburgh and I for one am pumped for the Sunday game – either going to see a hall of famer from the front row or going to witness a major league debut. Should be fun.
I really like the trade too. Schaefer’s gonna play this year and I’d rather him get his feet wet in April when there’s less pressure than call him up midseason when we’re in the midst of a pennant race.
Dave Dombrowski of the Tigers, in response to a question after announcing the Anderson acquisition, said that a follow-up outfielder trade “was possible but not likely.” I am still wondering if Wren and Dombrowski are talking about possibilities involving a Braves (Gwinnett) ready-to-go starter plus a second level prospect or two for Mags? If I would both GMs that’s exactly the phrase “possible but not likely” I would use if there were talks going on. Am I off base here?
Looks like we won’t have to worry about Hamels…
A guy like Curt Schilling dominates on the mound and runs a charity in his spare time and he is praised. I ran a charity on the mound and nobody cares if I dominated in my spare time. Just not fair.
March 30th, 20096:08 pm
An added point to my 6:05 — I know the Braves seem not to be in a position to take on additional salary, but I imagine that could also be negotiated if the return seems significant enough for the Tigers.
March 30th, 20096:09 pm
“mbatl, just goes to show that two years back strains my synapses, LOL. ”
’scoots, I don’t really trust that site any more than I trust your memory, but it’s the only source (besides you) I’ve got.
Hey, this guy the Braves got for Josh has some unreal “peripherals”. ONE home run, 85 hits and 37 walks, in 103 innings? (plus 101 K’s?) Are you kidding me? I never thought we’d get a player with so much upside for Josh. I’m impressed. And I really don’t think Detroit has a clue in evaluating talent.
How about Jordan Schafer just be Jordan Schafer until he actually does something in the majors?
March 30th, 20096:11 pm
Wow, looks like the Braves caught a break with Hamels out for that opening series.
March 30th, 20096:12 pm
Any news on the worlds favorite Aussie Sidearmer?
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