Na he’s not the one that’s trying to change anyone’s perceptions. Like most players he knows he can’t worry about what people think about him. If he did, I’m sure he’d do a lot more to try and change his image. I think most guys understand that when you’re playing well, the fans will be behind you, when you’re not, they won’t be. Just look at the 180 on Francouer with his struggles. I saw it happen to Freddy Garcia in Seattle. It’s sports.
Nolie, you are correct about the whole Logan and Ohman thing. I appreciate you trying to clarify that earlier. As far as I am concerned they both are unknows in terms of what kind of year they will have. In fact, all players are… but most especially RP. Basically, it comes down to the fact that none of us knows…. and that the Braves’ staff is much more likely to judge the probabilities than I would. So… I choose to trust their judgment. It sure does relieve me of the stress!
Anyway, again, thanks for trying to clarify to others what I was saying since I was not here to do it myself.
“These guys are extremely smart in our front office,” first baseman Carlos Pena said. “So I respect that decision. I know there’s some very good reason behind it that will serve this team and, more importantly, serve David Price’s future.”
Oh, the Rays have their reasons, all right. Very, very intelligently thought-out reasons. And we should point out, at the top, that they have no reason — at least in the short term — to avoid starting Price’s arbitration clock. He’s already signed through 2012.
So if this is about baseball, it’s tough to argue with the concept of conserving Price’s innings load until they really need him. And when they say they want him to finish off his development into the top-of-the-rotation behemoth everyone expects him to be, well, how can you blame them?
But let’s just say that if David Price doesn’t make this club out of spring training, the rest of the AL East sure won’t be sending him any wish-you-were-here cards.
Not really, the Braves front office I doubt has been thrilled with either, obviously for much different reasons. I don’t they’d actually not sign a guy because he was Dominican, but you have to wonder if its in the back of their minds. I mean if two Swedish girls broke your heart in a difficult way, wouldn’t you be a little more wary when you met another Swedish girl? Doesn’t mean you won’t date her, but you might proceed with caution.
The thought just crossed my mind when DOB mentioned that some in the organization have grown tired of Sori’s act. Then I thought back to the Aybar situation, and thought oy.
We need a healthy and productive Soriano,Moylan,Gonzo to be serious threats in this division. Take today as a perfect example of how the B.P. can ruin a very good offensive show Atl. put on today. Also another great outing from Lowe was ruined. It’s S.T., but it’s also a tail of what might be to come…unfortunately.
wilymo, on a more serious note, if you consider all the screw-ups, over the last several years, with steroids and whatever, the Braves wouldn’t sign anyone but Asians. Then again, considering how they’ve done in the WBC, maybe that’s a good thing. Sushi isn’t all that bad.
wilymo, not to beat this thing to death, but IF Rafy has a problem with Cox or the org., I think I’d be reminding him on how if a guy can’t work with Bobby, than who in the world can you work with. I know, Rafy’s problem isn’t with anyone in the org., but if it is…
Not sure where I ever said he had a problem with Cox or the org. As a matter of fact he loves Bobby. Best manager he’s ever played for and he’ll tell you that. Doesnt’ have a problem with the organization. He loves Atlanta, bought a house there. Not sure where you interpreted it otherwise. I’ve just said that a lot of the problems comes from his lack of communication. Which is just a reflection of his low key demeanor. And the most recent comments were in response to DOB saying that many in the org were growing tired of his act.
You might wanna take a vacation to the Dominican then. If you’re into nice weather, beautiful beaches, rum, cigars and big a$$e$ then you might enjoy yourself.
wilymo, never said you even came close to saying that at all. I’m just kinda echoing what some here and even myself have thought might be the problem with him for the last year or so. Not saying it’s true, and I’ll take your word that he loves Bobby.
DOB I know how much you like your films so i’m wondering if Bronson has been released or is going to be released over there? Saw it last night and it’s extremely strange, uncomfortable and brilliant. If nobody knows what it’s about it’s about Charles Bronson (real name Michael Peterson) Britain’s most infamous and violent but victimised prisoner.
Placing Jordan on the major league team sends him the message that: “We think you’re a wonderful player and can’t wait to see you play for the Braves.” By sending Schafer to AAA, Wren (or more likely Bobby) can sit him down and say “Jordan, you’ve got some unbelievable talent. I think one of the main reasons you’re being sent down is your tendency to over-swing with two strikes and risk the strikeout. While you’re in Gwinnett, I want you to work on your plate coverage. Work on defending the plate with two strikes. Don’t lose your aggressiveness as a hitter, just focus a bit more on cutting back the strikeouts and defending the plate. If you can work on this for us, there may be a spot for you out in centerfield in a month or two in Atlanta.”
Not only does this move promote Jordan working on his main hitting flaw, but it also saves the Braves $ in the long run. Wren and Bobby know that Josh can be a fine leadoff man and decent CF, so it makes too much baseball sense (both from a $ standpoint and a developing JS’s skill set standpoint) to not start the season with Anderson in center.
Oh ok. Yea I can see how someone could come to that conclusion, but it really just comes down to his communication skills and how he goes about dealing with things at times. He doesn’t have a problem with anyone that I know of. He’s a hard guy to get a read on at times, and that leads to people getting frustrated.
I was at the game today and I have to say my thoughts
What I saw and liked about our 09 club:
-Lowe’s impressive outing- Lowe may not be a Santana or Hamels but with the spring he’s having and his track record of consistency and durablity, he’s going to be a very promising Ace for Atlanta
-Offence by the starters-in the 1st a run was scored by a double to left by kelly, a bunt to the right side by escobar, and a fly ball by chipper. This is classic national league execution and well be a great way to score runs with our lack of power. Francouer had a shot to right today for a hit as well which also impressed me.
-Schafer’s a stud and should be the starting CF
What I saw I didn’t like:
-Bullpen- I say bullpen but I’m excluding Boyer cuz he had a scoreless inning and Melden’s still young. But Logan is supposed to be the guy that gets out guys like Howard, Delgado,etc and he hasn’t pitched up to par as of late. I’m not worried about Gonzo, Moylan, or even Soriano, heck we didnt have any of those guys at the beginning of last year and made due with Acosta, Boyer, and Bennet and did okay, but you gotta have a good lefty in the bullpen. I wonder if there’s gonna be a deal by opening day???
Eric, I was the tiddlywink champion, for many years, of Tuscalooso, AL. (my apologies if I spelled that name wrong. It was always my favorite sounding city. Especially when Jim McKay would say it.)
should we read that as you hope we send Schafer down because you would like to win the opening day game and with him in the lineup we are a bigger threat? RITCHIE
no read it like I said it . Don’t they use English over there in Scotch land? The board will be hilarious for days if he gets sent down. Maybe you won’t enjoy it as much as I would.
I know a little bit, but honestly I’d rather wait until the team or DOB says something because I don’t want to step on any toes or pass along misinformation. I don’t know how writers or front office people like it when friends of people start giving out info like that. I will say that I don’t think it’s that serious. Neither him or the team will really know though until he tries throwing.
PhilyPhan, a serious question… what makes you and your team so damn special? ONE WS title in 27 years and you get to brag and diss us? Go screw yourself. You hobo your way down here to Chattanooga,TN and I’ll slap that ugly phily smirk off your face son!
You know they dont have any class….. their second baseman showed the world the kind of people they are. No class. He knew he was in a zoo and that he had to say bad words for his words to have any impact. Do you think Chipper or Smoltz would have said “fuxxing world champions”??? I mean….. there are fans that are not 10 years old…….girls………boys……… That says a lot about the franchise and the city.
You have to lose with class and to win with class.
wilymo, I apologize for abandoning you while we both were getting ridiculed. I had a phonecall from a sexy blond, yes, part Swedish, (don’t tell Roman Gal), that took priority. As I went back in time, to see what I missed, I’m seeing some of the boys are developing a man-crush on us. That’s understandable. Take it as a compliment. As Seinfeld would say, “there’s nothing wrong with that”.
Has anyone else seen on Keith Law’s top 100 prospects that tommy is listed as having below average command and control? That is not how it has seemed so far to me.
nolie, I disagree with you.People, maybe not you, but there were some who said that the Braves were in the same situation as last year with Ohman as they are this year with Logan. People also said that since Mahay and Ohman worked out, so would Logan and/or O’Flaherty.
Then you had others, maybe it was you, who felt that resigning Ohman was never ever a priority for the Braves this season.
There were also some who some combination of these opinions.
Perhaps you better address your own comprehension skills because I said nothing to you specifically, but you got all huffy just the same.
I also read fine too, in fact, what I’m not reading is the full out assurances that the situational lefty spot will be a-ok…and that’s all I said.
If that upsets you too darn bad, I’m talking about what’s best for the team, not you.
Frank Wren mentioned that he is concerned that if Schafer starts in center alongside Francoeur in right, there will only be one outfield starter whose name regular Braves Bloggers will be able to spell. He feels that throwing two Andersons out there is the way to go.
Do you realize that last year Smoltz, Hampton, Glavine and Hudson had a combined 56 games started. Thats just 34%, they should have started 80% of the games. A 46% deficit. Thats why they lost 90 games. only 54% of the games we started by a starting pitcher that was meant to be in the rotation. So half the games of last season were started by improvised or not ready for the majors pitchers……..Carlyle, Campillo, Morton, JoJo, James
DOB, did you see the DBT show at the Tabernacle in November? I’ve seen 25+ Truckers shows and I’ve gotta say that one was the best since they parted ways with Isbell and it rivals their best shows that I saw at the 40 Watt 3-5 years ago. An encore of World of Hurt, Mary Me, Let There Be Rock, Rockin’ in the Free World, and People Who Died is just hard to beat.
I have a question that perhaps you can answer for me- why is it that fans of the Phillies and Mets insist on coming on this blog and ranting about how bad the Braves are going to be and how great their team is? Do you have such little confidence in your team that it is the only way to make yourself feel better? Are you that concerned that the Braves are actually better then you had hoped and can give you some competition? Or does living in the Northeast really suck all the happiness and joy out of your lives so that you have to try to make everyone else as miserable as you? At least Anders lends some intelligence to the conversations…
In regard to the supposed greatness of the Phillies…
The Braves, as we all know were absolutely devastated by injuries. Instead of being legit competitors in the East, they wound up losing 90 games.
The Phillies (to their credit) took advantage and pounded the Braves last year going – I think it was – 16-3 vs. the Braves, and went on to win 92 games.
Now… if the Braves had hadn’t been completely destroyed by injuries; if the they had been legit competitors last year… there’s obviously no way the Phillies rack up anything close to 16 wins at the expense of ATL. If the Braves were healthy, even if the Phillies had won the season series, say… 10-9 or 11-8, they would have finished the season with 86 or 87 wins.
My point is that if not for the incredibly lopsided record vs. Atlanta, the Phillies wouldn’t have come close to 90 wins, and would not have even made the post-season last year.
This ‘09 Phillies team is pretty much the same squad they had last year. They slightly upgraded Left Field, but that’s pretty much it. With a Braves team that’s not going to be their punching bag again this year, they’ll have to raise their game to hit 90 wins. Hey… maybe they will. Maybe they’ll win well over 90 even in a tough division. I’m just saying that, while they were a fine team last year and will be so again this season… I think some are thinking a little TOO highly of last year’s Phillies team, and this year’s version as well.
They’re a good team. No doubt. But unless they raise their level of play from last year, they’re certainly no juggernaut.
On paper, right now, I like both the Braves and Mets slightly more than the Phillies.
Today I heard Chip carey say he believes the braves are going to make a trade for a big bat for the line up ! But, who ?! Maybe someone from Texas Rangers.
cabravesfan (9:10), I know, I know, I know the answer to this one! Please call on me teach! (thank you) It’s because when they go on their own sites, there are so many fans already ragging on their own teams, that they can’t get a word in edgewise. Here, they think they can be heard.
Moby, I wouldn’t completely disagree with your assessment of Morton, unfortunately. I thought he had turned the corner last year on makeup, but it’s hard to tell based on his health-marred late season performance.
Still, he rates 70 or above on three pitches and his changeup is improving; hate to kick that kind of stuff to the curb without giving it every chance and maybe one more. I would sure would like him to start making my touts OF HIM look a little better, though. HA!
Thanks! I have been kept awake at night wondering why Phillies and Mets fans think we give a flying f*ck what they think of our team (except Anders who is actually starting to grow on me- bring this up again and I will deny ever having said that)
melissa, respectfully, I don’t think Chip Caray really knows very much about such things. I think he, like many of the Braves players, get their info from reading DOB’s and Mark Bowman’s stuff. While he works for the Braves, he doesn’t have any sort of inside track on such info.
I kind of doubt we’ll see anything like that now. If, at the trade deadline, the Braves feel they really need a big bat, then I’m sure they’ll pursue one. But right now, while there’s no 30-40 HR guy here… there are quality hitters with pop all the way up and down the order, and I think the Braves are happy with what they have at every position.
Hi sweetheart !! That’s nice for you to say !! Tell that Philly fan they should be thanking the braves for last year world series ! The braves let Philly just destroy them ! So, they need to thank them !Do you know what I would be happy about this year ?! I hope the braves and they will, knot the Phillies out of the playoffs ! That will be my world series victory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cabravesfan, I’ve made quite a study of this. It’s rock-solid. BTW, Anders has grown on me too, but that’s just between you and I. Uh, the part-Swedish part only works if you’re a female, not that there’s anything wrong with that, with some, if you’re not (Seinfeld, again).
Where would that “big bat” go? Braves already have all the options I think they will consider for each position. There is a logjam of players in the outfield, and the infield is set. Where do you slide a “big bat” in?
Personally I think Chip has no clue what he’s talking about.
also read fine too, in fact, what I’m not reading is the full out assurances that the situational lefty spot will be a-ok…and that’s all I said. KIRK
so you’re looking for a prognosticator with 20-20 fore-sight? Good luck dude, even if we had Ohman there would be no guarantee since he has had some mediocre seasons too. And since your main argument was with PTBNL and me, your passive-aggressive little comments are pretty likely to be aimed at us regardless of what you say. I can’t think of anyone who said that they would prefer not to have Ohman which is what your silly little asides make it sound like. You’re playing word games, because not considering him a priority is not the same as not wanting him on the team. Read the exact wording of your original post if you can’t remember back that far dude. The question was “Is there anybody who did not consider signing Ohman as a priority? I replied that I did not nor did some others. Your immediate challenge was who else besides myself. Others chipped in and said the same thing like PT and Scoots. Since that time you have been trying to make it sound like we were totally anti-Ohman or that we said that Logan=Ohman. There is a difference and if you can’t distinguish it then your comprehension is not as precise as you seem to think it is.
Although the Braves have the potential to have one of the best bulpens, things aren’t looking to good right now. Jeff Bennet struggling, Mike Gonzales has some serious control issues(but great stuff), Rafael Soriano always has health issues, and neither Boone Logan or Eric O’Flaherty seem to be effective. I know it’s spring training but normally on the last week it’s when players start to get serious.
nolie, what the heck is wrong with you? I’m not allowed to say the same thing I said last week, and during the entire offseason…resign Ohman? I can’t say that I’m worried about the situational leftie spot? What kind of crap is that?
You are taking something as a slight that was in no way meant to be one.I had no one in mind when I typed my comment.
Bottom line, I don’t see as many people expressing their confidence in Logan as I did last week.
And what is the obsession with Schafer’s Ks by some here? I’m not one of the “an out is an out” dogmatics, but, jeez, Grady Sizemore struck out 130 times last year. So blinking what? You can’t tell a kid at Schafer’s stage of development to be defensive with two strikes, you’ll cripple his swing. He’ll learn how to adjust with two strikes, or he won’t; only time and experience can help him with the former. Let the big dog eat, worry about the Ks later.
nolie, what the heck is wrong with you? I’m not allowed to say the same thing I said last week, and during the entire offseason…resign Ohman? I can’t say that I’m worried about the situational leftie spot? What kind of crap is that?
You are taking something as a slight that was in no way meant to be one.I had no one in mind when I typed my comment.I didn’t know you owned this issue and anything said about it is automatically something said to and against you.
Bottom line, I don’t see as many people expressing their confidence in Logan as I did last week. If I put it that way does that make you feel better?
I think I’ve been around long enough that people know if I have something to say to someone that I have zero problem doing so. No passive-aggressiveness from me and you know that…snarky, yes, rude, sometimes, but never passive-aggressive.
Please stop trying to turn this into something personal. I am sorry if I hurt your feeling last week, can we move on now and be nice?
Lew, I’m not sure it you’re talking to me or cabravesfan, or both, but don’t worry. Before I retire, I put “Child In Time” on by our boys, at high volume. Anything that wants to attach itself to you runs and hides. It’s better than bathing in bleach.
Eric from MO- Your post about Anderson striking out more than Schafer was a complete fabrication and, in fact, it was rather juvenile. Anderson has always been a good contact hitter and as a professional player he has only struck out 14% of his plate appearances. This ratio is far superior to Schafer’s track record. In addition, he has been successful stealing more than 80% of the time as a pro player and this ratio is also far superior to Schafer. I am not saying he is better than JS, I am just stating facts. I admit that he does not walk enough for my taste, but his lifetime OBP is .345 which is above the ML average. So Eric, please do not make crap up to support your argument and do not put too much stock into Spring training stats.
The Braves definitely have a very interesting decision in centerfield. By all rights Jordan Schafer has not only won the job he has overwhelmingly won it. However, “baseball” decisions may get in the way of doing what is best for the team. I totally understand the Braves wanting to hold Schafer off from being in the Majors until late May or early June to delay his arbitration clock. By bringing him up then the Braves would basically “steal” a year of free agency. But, I am not convinced Josh Anderson should be the starting centerfielder. He can hit well but his OBP is not very good. And since the starting centerfielder will be the leadoff hitter that doesn’t exactly bode very well for the lineup.
Also, I wonder if there is a part of Frank Wren that wishes that he didn’t resign Glavine now that we’ve all seen that Tommy Hanson is ready for the Majors?
The recent bullpen issues are tricky. If the Braves over-react now, and overpay Ohman or someone else, and it doesn’t work out, then it was a total waste of resources way too early in the season and Wren gets coated with tar and feathers as a reward (not to mention the move would reduce his trade-deadline flexibility even if its a successful move to sign an RP now).
If a great trade essentially falls in Wren’s lap due to another team wanting to make a move, then OK – I could see Wren pulling the trigger early. Otherwise, stand pat and see how the team shakes out over the first couple weeks or so.
I know some people on this blog want him to make a move to shore up the pen now, but I think it would be premature to tinker just yet. Its still ST, relax people.
Moby, what are you basing your assessment of Morton on (being a head case)? I don’t ask the question because I doubt what you are saying (since you normally have good reason for what you say). I guess part of my question has to with not being able to remember who on the blog actually has seen much of the minor league games and who does not. You may know Morton very well (as a fan can know a ballplayer) and have seen him being a head case. You may have said more about this earlier but I have to confess that I don’t retain everything I read on the blog.
I know that it has been mentioned that Morton has confidence issues. But like “redneck” some times “head case” and “confidence” can have different meanings depending on whose using them and the context in which they use them. So I guess part of my question has to do with what you actually mean by a head case. Also, whatever it may mean, do you sense that he is a “hopeless case”?
I admit that I don’t know much about Morton. I think I have only seen him pitch one time. He looked good in that game, but I know I may not get a true reading on a guy from one outing. I tend to think of Morton as Scoots seems to…. having very good potential that has not “used up” his chances. But I readily admit, again, that I do not have a lot to go on.
Ultimately, I guess I am asking if you would elaborate more on your thoughts about Morton.
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Frankie Knucles
March 26th, 2009
7:32 pm
Phili Phan – hows your farm system?
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
7:35 pm
TnBrian (7:28), great point!
wilymo
March 26th, 2009
7:36 pm
TnBrian,
Na he’s not the one that’s trying to change anyone’s perceptions. Like most players he knows he can’t worry about what people think about him. If he did, I’m sure he’d do a lot more to try and change his image. I think most guys understand that when you’re playing well, the fans will be behind you, when you’re not, they won’t be. Just look at the 180 on Francouer with his struggles. I saw it happen to Freddy Garcia in Seattle. It’s sports.
Wayne in Utah
March 26th, 2009
7:38 pm
Did the Braves announce their other cuts today (somebody please save me the trouble of going back through all the posts this afternoon)?
I know about Hanson, Freeman, Heyward, and Sammons. Was there more?
thanks in advance.
wilymo
March 26th, 2009
7:41 pm
I do wonder if the Aybar and Soriano fiascos will make the Braves wary of signing Dominican players in the future…
braves fan 16
March 26th, 2009
7:41 pm
Hey DOB anything new on the Chipper contract talks , and do you believe they will agree to it before or during the season
BlawgDawg
March 26th, 2009
7:41 pm
Over/under on suicides? And you luv it? What a classy guy you are. Or should I say classy Troll.
PTBNL
March 26th, 2009
7:42 pm
Nolie, you are correct about the whole Logan and Ohman thing. I appreciate you trying to clarify that earlier. As far as I am concerned they both are unknows in terms of what kind of year they will have. In fact, all players are… but most especially RP. Basically, it comes down to the fact that none of us knows…. and that the Braves’ staff is much more likely to judge the probabilities than I would. So… I choose to trust their judgment. It sure does relieve me of the stress!
Anyway, again, thanks for trying to clarify to others what I was saying since I was not here to do it myself.
Chop Chop
March 26th, 2009
7:42 pm
It would have been funny if Wren had screwed up and cut Hanson, Freeman and Heyward outright.
Interested Observer
March 26th, 2009
7:43 pm
D. Hernandez and Colina were the other cuts.
mets fan in atlanta
March 26th, 2009
7:46 pm
Here’s the link to the article by Jayson Stark:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2009/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=4011780
Here’s an excerpt:
“These guys are extremely smart in our front office,” first baseman Carlos Pena said. “So I respect that decision. I know there’s some very good reason behind it that will serve this team and, more importantly, serve David Price’s future.”
Oh, the Rays have their reasons, all right. Very, very intelligently thought-out reasons. And we should point out, at the top, that they have no reason — at least in the short term — to avoid starting Price’s arbitration clock. He’s already signed through 2012.
So if this is about baseball, it’s tough to argue with the concept of conserving Price’s innings load until they really need him. And when they say they want him to finish off his development into the top-of-the-rotation behemoth everyone expects him to be, well, how can you blame them?
But let’s just say that if David Price doesn’t make this club out of spring training, the rest of the AL East sure won’t be sending him any wish-you-were-here cards.
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
7:47 pm
wilymo (7:41), you’re kidding, right?
Moby Grape
March 26th, 2009
7:49 pm
think you might want to re-check your scouting reports on the kid’s “below average” pitches —SCOOTS
IMO the kid is a head case. It’s going to take more that good secondary pitches to have him become successful.
wilymo
March 26th, 2009
7:57 pm
BB5795,
Not really, the Braves front office I doubt has been thrilled with either, obviously for much different reasons. I don’t they’d actually not sign a guy because he was Dominican, but you have to wonder if its in the back of their minds. I mean if two Swedish girls broke your heart in a difficult way, wouldn’t you be a little more wary when you met another Swedish girl? Doesn’t mean you won’t date her, but you might proceed with caution.
The thought just crossed my mind when DOB mentioned that some in the organization have grown tired of Sori’s act. Then I thought back to the Aybar situation, and thought oy.
TnBrian
March 26th, 2009
7:59 pm
The bottom line:
We need a healthy and productive Soriano,Moylan,Gonzo to be serious threats in this division. Take today as a perfect example of how the B.P. can ruin a very good offensive show Atl. put on today. Also another great outing from Lowe was ruined. It’s S.T., but it’s also a tail of what might be to come…unfortunately.
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
7:59 pm
wilymo, who told you about Heidi and Inga?
wilymo
March 26th, 2009
8:02 pm
Yea I was gonna use Dominican girls or Brazilian girls, but whenever y’all talk women I figured Swedish girls would probably be more applicable
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
8:03 pm
wilymo, on a more serious note, if you consider all the screw-ups, over the last several years, with steroids and whatever, the Braves wouldn’t sign anyone but Asians. Then again, considering how they’ve done in the WBC, maybe that’s a good thing. Sushi isn’t all that bad.
TnBrian
March 26th, 2009
8:05 pm
wilymo, not to beat this thing to death, but IF Rafy has a problem with Cox or the org., I think I’d be reminding him on how if a guy can’t work with Bobby, than who in the world can you work with. I know, Rafy’s problem isn’t with anyone in the org., but if it is…
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
8:07 pm
wilymo, I hate to open up my personal tastes, too much, but I’m an a$$ man. Next time, please use Brazilian women.
TnBrian
March 26th, 2009
8:08 pm
tale, not “tail” of things to come. mmmm, maybe I need hooked on phonics. Sorry, I’m from Tn.
wilymo
March 26th, 2009
8:09 pm
TnBrian,
Not sure where I ever said he had a problem with Cox or the org. As a matter of fact he loves Bobby. Best manager he’s ever played for and he’ll tell you that. Doesnt’ have a problem with the organization. He loves Atlanta, bought a house there. Not sure where you interpreted it otherwise. I’ve just said that a lot of the problems comes from his lack of communication. Which is just a reflection of his low key demeanor. And the most recent comments were in response to DOB saying that many in the org were growing tired of his act.
wilymo
March 26th, 2009
8:11 pm
BB5795,
You might wanna take a vacation to the Dominican then. If you’re into nice weather, beautiful beaches, rum, cigars and big a$$e$ then you might enjoy yourself.
TnBrian
March 26th, 2009
8:13 pm
wilymo, never said you even came close to saying that at all. I’m just kinda echoing what some here and even myself have thought might be the problem with him for the last year or so. Not saying it’s true, and I’ll take your word that he loves Bobby.
Ritchie from Scotland
March 26th, 2009
8:14 pm
DOB I know how much you like your films so i’m wondering if Bronson has been released or is going to be released over there? Saw it last night and it’s extremely strange, uncomfortable and brilliant. If nobody knows what it’s about it’s about Charles Bronson (real name Michael Peterson) Britain’s most infamous and violent but victimised prisoner.
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
8:16 pm
wilymo, it sounds like paradise. Where the hell is O’Brien? All this talk about nice a$$e$, should bring that hound out.
Eric from MO
March 26th, 2009
8:18 pm
The Bear his current contract has nothing to do with the trade. That contract was not signed when he was acquired.
Mekons
March 26th, 2009
8:18 pm
I thought that was Ronnie Biggs????
Rally Time
March 26th, 2009
8:19 pm
Schafer will be sent to AAA to start the season.
Placing Jordan on the major league team sends him the message that: “We think you’re a wonderful player and can’t wait to see you play for the Braves.” By sending Schafer to AAA, Wren (or more likely Bobby) can sit him down and say “Jordan, you’ve got some unbelievable talent. I think one of the main reasons you’re being sent down is your tendency to over-swing with two strikes and risk the strikeout. While you’re in Gwinnett, I want you to work on your plate coverage. Work on defending the plate with two strikes. Don’t lose your aggressiveness as a hitter, just focus a bit more on cutting back the strikeouts and defending the plate. If you can work on this for us, there may be a spot for you out in centerfield in a month or two in Atlanta.”
Not only does this move promote Jordan working on his main hitting flaw, but it also saves the Braves $ in the long run. Wren and Bobby know that Josh can be a fine leadoff man and decent CF, so it makes too much baseball sense (both from a $ standpoint and a developing JS’s skill set standpoint) to not start the season with Anderson in center.
Mekons
March 26th, 2009
8:19 pm
or the Kray twins
wilymo
March 26th, 2009
8:20 pm
TnBrian,
Oh ok. Yea I can see how someone could come to that conclusion, but it really just comes down to his communication skills and how he goes about dealing with things at times. He doesn’t have a problem with anyone that I know of. He’s a hard guy to get a read on at times, and that leads to people getting frustrated.
BravoMan
March 26th, 2009
8:20 pm
I was at the game today and I have to say my thoughts
What I saw and liked about our 09 club:
-Lowe’s impressive outing- Lowe may not be a Santana or Hamels but with the spring he’s having and his track record of consistency and durablity, he’s going to be a very promising Ace for Atlanta
-Offence by the starters-in the 1st a run was scored by a double to left by kelly, a bunt to the right side by escobar, and a fly ball by chipper. This is classic national league execution and well be a great way to score runs with our lack of power. Francouer had a shot to right today for a hit as well which also impressed me.
-Schafer’s a stud and should be the starting CF
What I saw I didn’t like:
-Bullpen- I say bullpen but I’m excluding Boyer cuz he had a scoreless inning and Melden’s still young. But Logan is supposed to be the guy that gets out guys like Howard, Delgado,etc and he hasn’t pitched up to par as of late. I’m not worried about Gonzo, Moylan, or even Soriano, heck we didnt have any of those guys at the beginning of last year and made due with Acosta, Boyer, and Bennet and did okay, but you gotta have a good lefty in the bullpen. I wonder if there’s gonna be a deal by opening day???
Eric from MO
March 26th, 2009
8:20 pm
BB 5795-I also made a good chunk of money from a sport
Gambling doesnt count.
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
8:21 pm
wilymo, do you talk to Raffy, other than at the ballpark?
wilymo
March 26th, 2009
8:23 pm
BB5795,
Yea I’m around him quite a bit
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
8:24 pm
Eric, I was the tiddlywink champion, for many years, of Tuscalooso, AL. (my apologies if I spelled that name wrong. It was always my favorite sounding city. Especially when Jim McKay would say it.)
wilymo
March 26th, 2009
8:25 pm
DOB along with most everyone else are probably watching the tournament games.
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
8:25 pm
wilymo, how aout some inside info on his strain. I still haven’t heard, officially, how bad it is. Do you know?
BB/wilymo
March 26th, 2009
8:27 pm
I love you, you love me, we both love us some Sori…etc.
PhantasticPhilliesPhan
March 26th, 2009
8:27 pm
should we read that as you hope we send Schafer down because you would like to win the opening day game and with him in the lineup we are a bigger threat? RITCHIE
no read it like I said it . Don’t they use English over there in Scotch land? The board will be hilarious for days if he gets sent down. Maybe you won’t enjoy it as much as I would.
wilymo
March 26th, 2009
8:30 pm
I know a little bit, but honestly I’d rather wait until the team or DOB says something because I don’t want to step on any toes or pass along misinformation. I don’t know how writers or front office people like it when friends of people start giving out info like that. I will say that I don’t think it’s that serious. Neither him or the team will really know though until he tries throwing.
TnBrian
March 26th, 2009
8:34 pm
PhilyPhan, a serious question… what makes you and your team so damn special? ONE WS title in 27 years and you get to brag and diss us? Go screw yourself. You hobo your way down here to Chattanooga,TN and I’ll slap that ugly phily smirk off your face son!
Just havin some fun with ya… sorta.
wilymo
March 26th, 2009
8:36 pm
Heh, looks like we better change the subject. Enough of the Sori talk for awhile.
Doc Holiday
March 26th, 2009
8:41 pm
TnBrian,
Dont lose your temper over a bunch of monkeys and old pitchers………we will do the talking on the field, Im sure yo are confident of that.
Eric from MO
March 26th, 2009
8:42 pm
Does anyone else believe that BB and willymo are the same person?
TnBrian
March 26th, 2009
8:43 pm
Doc, sure I am. Good line about monkeys and old pitchers.
Eric from MO
March 26th, 2009
8:44 pm
TnBrian,”PhilyPhan, a serious question… what makes you and your team so damn special?”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Dude they are the defending champions. If anyone gets to brag it is them. Hell, we have one championship over the last 40 years.
wilymo
March 26th, 2009
8:45 pm
Eric from MO,
Really? Man you guys are a tough crowd.
Rob from SC
March 26th, 2009
8:47 pm
Medlen has had an impressive spring. I hope one poor inning doesn’t erase his chances of breaking north with the club
Doc Holiday
March 26th, 2009
8:49 pm
TnBrian,
You know they dont have any class….. their second baseman showed the world the kind of people they are. No class. He knew he was in a zoo and that he had to say bad words for his words to have any impact. Do you think Chipper or Smoltz would have said “fuxxing world champions”??? I mean….. there are fans that are not 10 years old…….girls………boys……… That says a lot about the franchise and the city.
You have to lose with class and to win with class.
jmc
March 26th, 2009
8:51 pm
Hey wily blow, just got off the phone with my good buddy Chipper. He wonders if you’re the guy in the knee pads and Soriano T-shirt…
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
8:55 pm
wilymo, I apologize for abandoning you while we both were getting ridiculed. I had a phonecall from a sexy blond, yes, part Swedish, (don’t tell Roman Gal), that took priority. As I went back in time, to see what I missed, I’m seeing some of the boys are developing a man-crush on us. That’s understandable. Take it as a compliment. As Seinfeld would say, “there’s nothing wrong with that”.
FaninFaytown
March 26th, 2009
8:59 pm
Has anyone else seen on Keith Law’s top 100 prospects that tommy is listed as having below average command and control? That is not how it has seemed so far to me.
kirkinga
March 26th, 2009
9:00 pm
nolie, I disagree with you.People, maybe not you, but there were some who said that the Braves were in the same situation as last year with Ohman as they are this year with Logan. People also said that since Mahay and Ohman worked out, so would Logan and/or O’Flaherty.
Then you had others, maybe it was you, who felt that resigning Ohman was never ever a priority for the Braves this season.
There were also some who some combination of these opinions.
Perhaps you better address your own comprehension skills because I said nothing to you specifically, but you got all huffy just the same.
I also read fine too, in fact, what I’m not reading is the full out assurances that the situational lefty spot will be a-ok…and that’s all I said.
If that upsets you too darn bad, I’m talking about what’s best for the team, not you.
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
9:00 pm
Sometimes, I’m really ashamed of being a Braves fan!
PhantasticPhilliesPhan
March 26th, 2009
9:01 pm
said “fuxxing world champions”???
TB
You’re a funny guy for that to be coming from. From what I have read he talks just like you do on this board.
Jeff Blauser
March 26th, 2009
9:03 pm
Frank Wren mentioned that he is concerned that if Schafer starts in center alongside Francoeur in right, there will only be one outfield starter whose name regular Braves Bloggers will be able to spell. He feels that throwing two Andersons out there is the way to go.
Doc Holiday
March 26th, 2009
9:04 pm
Do you realize that last year Smoltz, Hampton, Glavine and Hudson had a combined 56 games started. Thats just 34%, they should have started 80% of the games. A 46% deficit. Thats why they lost 90 games. only 54% of the games we started by a starting pitcher that was meant to be in the rotation. So half the games of last season were started by improvised or not ready for the majors pitchers……..Carlyle, Campillo, Morton, JoJo, James
mudcat
March 26th, 2009
9:05 pm
Wren better give Ohman a call pretty quick. Our lefties in the pen really suck.
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
9:05 pm
Thanks Jeff. I knew there was more to it than just stats.
PWHjort
March 26th, 2009
9:08 pm
DOB, did you see the DBT show at the Tabernacle in November? I’ve seen 25+ Truckers shows and I’ve gotta say that one was the best since they parted ways with Isbell and it rivals their best shows that I saw at the 40 Watt 3-5 years ago. An encore of World of Hurt, Mary Me, Let There Be Rock, Rockin’ in the Free World, and People Who Died is just hard to beat.
cabravesfan
March 26th, 2009
9:10 pm
PhantasticPhilliesPhan
I have a question that perhaps you can answer for me- why is it that fans of the Phillies and Mets insist on coming on this blog and ranting about how bad the Braves are going to be and how great their team is? Do you have such little confidence in your team that it is the only way to make yourself feel better? Are you that concerned that the Braves are actually better then you had hoped and can give you some competition? Or does living in the Northeast really suck all the happiness and joy out of your lives so that you have to try to make everyone else as miserable as you? At least Anders lends some intelligence to the conversations…
KC
March 26th, 2009
9:12 pm
In regard to the supposed greatness of the Phillies…
The Braves, as we all know were absolutely devastated by injuries. Instead of being legit competitors in the East, they wound up losing 90 games.
The Phillies (to their credit) took advantage and pounded the Braves last year going – I think it was – 16-3 vs. the Braves, and went on to win 92 games.
Now… if the Braves had hadn’t been completely destroyed by injuries; if the they had been legit competitors last year… there’s obviously no way the Phillies rack up anything close to 16 wins at the expense of ATL. If the Braves were healthy, even if the Phillies had won the season series, say… 10-9 or 11-8, they would have finished the season with 86 or 87 wins.
My point is that if not for the incredibly lopsided record vs. Atlanta, the Phillies wouldn’t have come close to 90 wins, and would not have even made the post-season last year.
This ‘09 Phillies team is pretty much the same squad they had last year. They slightly upgraded Left Field, but that’s pretty much it. With a Braves team that’s not going to be their punching bag again this year, they’ll have to raise their game to hit 90 wins. Hey… maybe they will. Maybe they’ll win well over 90 even in a tough division. I’m just saying that, while they were a fine team last year and will be so again this season… I think some are thinking a little TOO highly of last year’s Phillies team, and this year’s version as well.
They’re a good team. No doubt. But unless they raise their level of play from last year, they’re certainly no juggernaut.
On paper, right now, I like both the Braves and Mets slightly more than the Phillies.
melissa
March 26th, 2009
9:13 pm
Today I heard Chip carey say he believes the braves are going to make a trade for a big bat for the line up ! But, who ?! Maybe someone from Texas Rangers.
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
9:15 pm
cabravesfan (9:10), I know, I know, I know the answer to this one! Please call on me teach! (thank you) It’s because when they go on their own sites, there are so many fans already ragging on their own teams, that they can’t get a word in edgewise. Here, they think they can be heard.
ncscoots
March 26th, 2009
9:18 pm
Moby, I wouldn’t completely disagree with your assessment of Morton, unfortunately. I thought he had turned the corner last year on makeup, but it’s hard to tell based on his health-marred late season performance.
Still, he rates 70 or above on three pitches and his changeup is improving; hate to kick that kind of stuff to the curb without giving it every chance and maybe one more. I would sure would like him to start making my touts OF HIM look a little better, though. HA!
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
9:20 pm
Hi melissa. (I like to stay friendly with the female hotties of the site) (wilymo knows, he’s not saying anything, but he …. he knows)
cabravesfan
March 26th, 2009
9:21 pm
BB5795
Thanks! I have been kept awake at night wondering why Phillies and Mets fans think we give a flying f*ck what they think of our team (except Anders who is actually starting to grow on me- bring this up again and I will deny ever having said that)
(by the way I’m part Swedish…)
TnBrian
March 26th, 2009
9:22 pm
KC, very good post.. seemed thought out.
KC
March 26th, 2009
9:24 pm
melissa, respectfully, I don’t think Chip Caray really knows very much about such things. I think he, like many of the Braves players, get their info from reading DOB’s and Mark Bowman’s stuff. While he works for the Braves, he doesn’t have any sort of inside track on such info.
I kind of doubt we’ll see anything like that now. If, at the trade deadline, the Braves feel they really need a big bat, then I’m sure they’ll pursue one. But right now, while there’s no 30-40 HR guy here… there are quality hitters with pop all the way up and down the order, and I think the Braves are happy with what they have at every position.
melissa
March 26th, 2009
9:27 pm
Hi sweetheart !! That’s nice for you to say !! Tell that Philly fan they should be thanking the braves for last year world series ! The braves let Philly just destroy them ! So, they need to thank them !Do you know what I would be happy about this year ?! I hope the braves and they will, knot the Phillies out of the playoffs ! That will be my world series victory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
9:27 pm
cabravesfan, I’ve made quite a study of this. It’s rock-solid. BTW, Anders has grown on me too, but that’s just between you and I. Uh, the part-Swedish part only works if you’re a female, not that there’s anything wrong with that, with some, if you’re not (Seinfeld, again).
Salamander
March 26th, 2009
9:28 pm
Melissa
Where would that “big bat” go? Braves already have all the options I think they will consider for each position. There is a logjam of players in the outfield, and the infield is set. Where do you slide a “big bat” in?
Personally I think Chip has no clue what he’s talking about.
melissa
March 26th, 2009
9:29 pm
Would be nice KC !! I already knew it just was a pipe dream !!!
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
9:30 pm
melissa, were you talking to me or KC?
cabravesfan
March 26th, 2009
9:30 pm
BB5795
No worries then- I am female:)
ncscoots
March 26th, 2009
9:31 pm
Dude, just FYI, but treating distaff bloggers as if you’re in some dating chat room has long been considered tasteless in this forum. Just sayin’…
melissa
March 26th, 2009
9:31 pm
Knock the Phillies out ! I can spell !! lol
18 Wheels of Love
March 26th, 2009
9:32 pm
As much as I think we still need a big bat, where would it go? Would we trade Kotchman for another 1B? Adrian Gonzales? New LF’er?
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
9:33 pm
I hear you scoots. cabravesfan, in the words of Marv Albert, YESSSSSSSS!
nolie
March 26th, 2009
9:33 pm
also read fine too, in fact, what I’m not reading is the full out assurances that the situational lefty spot will be a-ok…and that’s all I said. KIRK
so you’re looking for a prognosticator with 20-20 fore-sight? Good luck dude, even if we had Ohman there would be no guarantee since he has had some mediocre seasons too. And since your main argument was with PTBNL and me, your passive-aggressive little comments are pretty likely to be aimed at us regardless of what you say. I can’t think of anyone who said that they would prefer not to have Ohman which is what your silly little asides make it sound like. You’re playing word games, because not considering him a priority is not the same as not wanting him on the team. Read the exact wording of your original post if you can’t remember back that far dude. The question was “Is there anybody who did not consider signing Ohman as a priority? I replied that I did not nor did some others. Your immediate challenge was who else besides myself. Others chipped in and said the same thing like PT and Scoots. Since that time you have been trying to make it sound like we were totally anti-Ohman or that we said that Logan=Ohman. There is a difference and if you can’t distinguish it then your comprehension is not as precise as you seem to think it is.
melissa
March 26th, 2009
9:33 pm
Salamander, I think if they do, the big bat will be a infield position !
melissa
March 26th, 2009
9:35 pm
I said hi to you BB !! Join in !!
Tomas
March 26th, 2009
9:40 pm
Although the Braves have the potential to have one of the best bulpens, things aren’t looking to good right now. Jeff Bennet struggling, Mike Gonzales has some serious control issues(but great stuff), Rafael Soriano always has health issues, and neither Boone Logan or Eric O’Flaherty seem to be effective. I know it’s spring training but normally on the last week it’s when players start to get serious.
kirkinga
March 26th, 2009
9:42 pm
nolie, what the heck is wrong with you? I’m not allowed to say the same thing I said last week, and during the entire offseason…resign Ohman? I can’t say that I’m worried about the situational leftie spot? What kind of crap is that?
You are taking something as a slight that was in no way meant to be one.I had no one in mind when I typed my comment.
Bottom line, I don’t see as many people expressing their confidence in Logan as I did last week.
Lew
March 26th, 2009
9:45 pm
Damn-Anders is growing on you? I’d see a Dermatologist at the very least. Very soon.
PWHjort
March 26th, 2009
9:46 pm
Umm, how is Raul Ibanez over Pat Burrell an upgrade? I see it as a downgrade given the Phillies’ lack of right-handed power.
melissa
March 26th, 2009
9:47 pm
Bobby Cox already making excuses for the bull pen !! When will this man get it !! I wished he would get cut !! Fustrating ! Just fustrating !!
ncscoots
March 26th, 2009
9:48 pm
And what is the obsession with Schafer’s Ks by some here? I’m not one of the “an out is an out” dogmatics, but, jeez, Grady Sizemore struck out 130 times last year. So blinking what? You can’t tell a kid at Schafer’s stage of development to be defensive with two strikes, you’ll cripple his swing. He’ll learn how to adjust with two strikes, or he won’t; only time and experience can help him with the former. Let the big dog eat, worry about the Ks later.
cabravesfan
March 26th, 2009
9:50 pm
Lew-
I tried but I was told it was inoperable
melissa
March 26th, 2009
9:51 pm
You are right ! That’s a down grade ! The phillies are going to lose without Burrell !!
kirkinga
March 26th, 2009
9:52 pm
nolie, what the heck is wrong with you? I’m not allowed to say the same thing I said last week, and during the entire offseason…resign Ohman? I can’t say that I’m worried about the situational leftie spot? What kind of crap is that?
You are taking something as a slight that was in no way meant to be one.I had no one in mind when I typed my comment.I didn’t know you owned this issue and anything said about it is automatically something said to and against you.
Bottom line, I don’t see as many people expressing their confidence in Logan as I did last week. If I put it that way does that make you feel better?
I think I’ve been around long enough that people know if I have something to say to someone that I have zero problem doing so. No passive-aggressiveness from me and you know that…snarky, yes, rude, sometimes, but never passive-aggressive.
Please stop trying to turn this into something personal. I am sorry if I hurt your feeling last week, can we move on now and be nice?
kirkinga
March 26th, 2009
9:53 pm
sorry for the double posts.
BB5795
March 26th, 2009
9:53 pm
Lew, I’m not sure it you’re talking to me or cabravesfan, or both, but don’t worry. Before I retire, I put “Child In Time” on by our boys, at high volume. Anything that wants to attach itself to you runs and hides. It’s better than bathing in bleach.
Doc Holiday
March 26th, 2009
9:56 pm
18 Wheels of Love,
I dont think we need a big bat. Just look around. How many guys do we have capable of hitting .300???
Schafer—-Yunel——-Chipper—-Brian——Kotchman——-JF(suddenly)—–Diaz/Anderson
Only KJ among regular has not hit .300 or been close to. And he is a pretty good hitter……..he wouldnt surprise anyone if he hist .295
Of course……….if Schafer is sent down……..things will change
Thats called being loaded my friend……….lots of base runners.
Horner's Corner
March 26th, 2009
9:56 pm
Eric from MO- Your post about Anderson striking out more than Schafer was a complete fabrication and, in fact, it was rather juvenile. Anderson has always been a good contact hitter and as a professional player he has only struck out 14% of his plate appearances. This ratio is far superior to Schafer’s track record. In addition, he has been successful stealing more than 80% of the time as a pro player and this ratio is also far superior to Schafer. I am not saying he is better than JS, I am just stating facts. I admit that he does not walk enough for my taste, but his lifetime OBP is .345 which is above the ML average. So Eric, please do not make crap up to support your argument and do not put too much stock into Spring training stats.
Robert(Chipper Is The Best)
March 26th, 2009
9:57 pm
The Braves definitely have a very interesting decision in centerfield. By all rights Jordan Schafer has not only won the job he has overwhelmingly won it. However, “baseball” decisions may get in the way of doing what is best for the team. I totally understand the Braves wanting to hold Schafer off from being in the Majors until late May or early June to delay his arbitration clock. By bringing him up then the Braves would basically “steal” a year of free agency. But, I am not convinced Josh Anderson should be the starting centerfielder. He can hit well but his OBP is not very good. And since the starting centerfielder will be the leadoff hitter that doesn’t exactly bode very well for the lineup.
Also, I wonder if there is a part of Frank Wren that wishes that he didn’t resign Glavine now that we’ve all seen that Tommy Hanson is ready for the Majors?
Salamander
March 26th, 2009
9:58 pm
The recent bullpen issues are tricky. If the Braves over-react now, and overpay Ohman or someone else, and it doesn’t work out, then it was a total waste of resources way too early in the season and Wren gets coated with tar and feathers as a reward (not to mention the move would reduce his trade-deadline flexibility even if its a successful move to sign an RP now).
If a great trade essentially falls in Wren’s lap due to another team wanting to make a move, then OK – I could see Wren pulling the trigger early. Otherwise, stand pat and see how the team shakes out over the first couple weeks or so.
I know some people on this blog want him to make a move to shore up the pen now, but I think it would be premature to tinker just yet. Its still ST, relax people.
PTBNL
March 26th, 2009
9:58 pm
Moby, what are you basing your assessment of Morton on (being a head case)? I don’t ask the question because I doubt what you are saying (since you normally have good reason for what you say). I guess part of my question has to with not being able to remember who on the blog actually has seen much of the minor league games and who does not. You may know Morton very well (as a fan can know a ballplayer) and have seen him being a head case. You may have said more about this earlier but I have to confess that I don’t retain everything I read on the blog.
I know that it has been mentioned that Morton has confidence issues. But like “redneck” some times “head case” and “confidence” can have different meanings depending on whose using them and the context in which they use them. So I guess part of my question has to do with what you actually mean by a head case. Also, whatever it may mean, do you sense that he is a “hopeless case”?
I admit that I don’t know much about Morton. I think I have only seen him pitch one time. He looked good in that game, but I know I may not get a true reading on a guy from one outing. I tend to think of Morton as Scoots seems to…. having very good potential that has not “used up” his chances. But I readily admit, again, that I do not have a lot to go on.
Ultimately, I guess I am asking if you would elaborate more on your thoughts about Morton.
cabravesfan
March 26th, 2009
9:59 pm
BB5795-
“Child in Time”?? Dear God man, I think I’d rather have Anders growing on me (or bathe in bleach)