1:00 pm March 26, 2009, by David O'Brien
March 26th, 20093:51 pm
garlick, please don’t encourage him:)
March 26th, 20093:52 pm
Bad LOOGYs! No contract!!!!
This looks exactly like last year’s team. Bullpen can’t hold a lead. And this is against minor leaguers. YIKES!!!
Gonna be a long year. What’s that now? Braves have dropped 5 out of last 6 games? Looking like 2008 all over again…
March 26th, 20093:53 pm
I mean I think we have 3 solid guys with Campillo Boyer and Moylan right now….Gonzo (Im going by what he sais) will be solid as well…the lefty situation we all agree with is FUBAR…and that leaves what 3 slots left…and I would say Soriano will grow some balls and be fine so thats one and leaves 1-2 open…and with those…I have no earthly idea..I would say Carlyle and Acosta but Im not sold on Acosta right now.
March 26th, 20093:54 pm
minnesotajacket i just dont see wren wanted to trade kenshin unless he pitches so bad that he is untradable anyways. kenshin is an investment beyond his performance for the braves, with the japanese fan base he hopefully will bring.
im betting vazquez has a good year and can net us a decent player or two in a package deal. he makes more money than kawakami, he has more of a track record…i just think he is much more tradable to the braves.
i agree with some other about putting the best players out there. if it was close between anderson and schafer, id still say anderson, but we have t put the best team out there, and we should be that worried about losing anderson on waivers if weve got blanco, schafer and gorkys in the system, right?
i still think the strategy should be to break camp with schafer AND anderson (with glavine not on the 25 man) and then try to slip anderson through waivers when glavine comes up to make his first start around the 20th.
LOL, at least someone has an open mind. Have to when your relievers consistently suck. Here is our bullpen so far…
March 26th, 20093:56 pm
I agree DAP…i think we should go with Anderson and Schafer too…until it is safer to put him thru waivers.
How is Boyer not on there?? the rest I will agree is optimism but Boyer is solid
It looks like Schafer-mania is finally coming to Turner Field!
March 26th, 20093:59 pm
Boyer really sucked last year…yeh yeh overuse…but i think he’ll suck again this year. Im not buying Boyer yet…gives up too many HRs
This is BAD! That bp is a wreck except for a maybe a few. Logan sucks goat balls. We need to trade for one lefty and just put Morton in Soriano’s place…you’d be smokin some good sh- to think he’ll be ready and healthy come April 5. We in a bit a trouble!
March 26th, 20094:00 pm
TnBrian, it’s all in good fun. And I’m in no position to defend the overall intelligence level in MY state- I know better. I’ve lived here my whole life.
Seems a little early to write off the bullpen, kids.
5 out of last 9 games are against the tigers……..what the he……
March 26th, 20094:01 pm
Thank you BA for at least semi agreeing with me haha
March 26th, 20094:02 pm
MinnesotaJacket, how is it optimism to have confidence in Mike Gonzalez?????
Because his spring training numbers aren’t good? Really man… you can’t measure a closer by spring training. It’s irrelevant. The only thing that matters right now is his velocity and how his arm feels.
This is a guy who came back mid-season from TJ surgery, and converted 14 of 16 save opps, with significantly fewer hits than innings pitched, and 44 strikeouts in 33 innings. And he wasn’t even 100% last year, which he is now.
I’m amazed by how much stock people are putting in Gonzo’s spring.
Thats our IL play this seasonl
March 26th, 20094:03 pm
The other two cuts were Diory Hernandez and catcher Alvin Colina
Since you have seen more spring games than most of us, if you had to choose between Schafer, Anderson or Blanco today, right now, who would it be? Based solely on talent and work ethic, not on minor league options. Just curious of what your personal opinion is because I don’t think I’v ever heard you mention it.
N Nine (eta10)
Baseball tonight just did top “young arm of future picks”
Gammons went 1st picked David Price
Tim Kurkjian picked 2nd and went with Tommy Hanson.
Buster Onley had the rd pick and went with Sandiego st Steven Strasburg.
Strasburg is rated the best future arm and its not close according to Buster’s sources.
The 1st pick is the Nats and I hope Boras stops that from happening! Buster compared Strasburg with Lebron James, as the best upcoming future player. Strasburg is expected to go 1st overall pick unless Scottie pulls another J.D. Drew…..
March 26th, 20094:04 pm
Never too early for a knee to jerk, LOL. Ten more days of curb-kicking and bus-throwing to go…line ‘em up!
I said all last summer that Boyer needs a slider to get batters off his fastball, which is quite good, but if a good major leaguer knows its coming he can time it. Brian Jordan reiterated that point for me today. If he could learn the slider ala Smoltz he could be devestating.
March 26th, 20094:05 pm
Mfin04,3:54 post lol
This blog is awfully addicting. Did someone lace it with cocaine or something? I can’t seem to get away from it.
DOB We Are Having A MELTDOWN Here!
March 26th, 20094:07 pm
WOW!Cannot believe the insanity!Did somebody drop me off at a AIG board meeting!Calm down people.
Braves back to playing like the Braves of the last 2-3 years.
March 26th, 20094:09 pm
BB5795, it’s only that way when the Braves are doing bad…people need somewhere to vent their frustration. Any other time it’s just bloggers praising the pplayers which gets old fast.
March 26th, 20094:10 pm
Don’t know if it was stated, but the official cuts were Diory, Hanson, Heyward, Colina, Freeman, Hicks & Sammons.
March 26th, 20094:11 pm
And what is it that people have against Manny Acosta here?
He’s posted a 3.17 ERA in 76 big league innings over the past 2 years. Other than when they tried to make him the fill-in closer early last year, he’s been pretty effective for the Braves.
and hasn’t certainly hasn’t pitched poorly overall this spring. He’s allowed 2 earned over 6.2 innings, for a 2.70 spring ERA.
These are the guys I think you can reasonably count on:
Soriano’s the X-factor. No one’s holding their breath, but again, it was just the season before last that he pitched 71 (excellent) innings for us, and his arm apparently feels fine… so there’s at least a chance that he’ll contribute this year.
At this point though, with Soriano’s questionable health and no reliable lefties beyond Gonzo (who doesn’t really count because he’s the closer)… you’ve GOT to get Ohman, or someone comparable via trade. MUST do it soon!
March 26th, 20094:13 pm
It’s more fun to post in the middle of games that actually count. In fact, I’d say it’s actually more fun to post in games that the Braves are losing. Things get a lot crazy around here when the long knives are out.
March 26th, 20094:14 pm
I would have to get a prospect I really, really wanted for the likes of Campillo, Carlyle, or even Jeff Bennett before I pulled the trigger on a trade. Last year we were in a similar position with Tyler Yates, and we traded him for Todd Redmond. It could work out to being a good deal, but with all the injuries we had last year I KNOW we could have used Yates’ innings out of the pen last year.
March 26th, 20094:15 pm
Jo-Jo was cut too…
TnBrian, I think you’ve nailed it! Thank you, I feel better now. I was getting worried that I would never be able to leave the house again.
March 26th, 20094:16 pm
KC i dont trust acosta. he kinda seems to freak out when the ball gets hit to him, and he throws it away. i think hes got work to do between the ears. or maybe he already has, and hes good to go. but, if i were making the bullpen, id leave him out.
March 26th, 20094:17 pm
Things get a lot crazy around here when the long knives are out
Too late! Apparently MFin04 just had a meltdown. Why not look at positives? Lowe was great again! How about KJ or Schafer?
We need a lefty for the pen thats all, no reason to lose hair over Boone Logan..
March 26th, 20094:18 pm
Bowman says Bobby will announce Lowe as Opening Night Starter tomorrow.
Rob from SC
March 26th, 20094:19 pm
Why not use Jo Jo out of the pen
March 26th, 20094:20 pm
KC (4:11), Acosta had a bad 9th inning last week. He’s all done! (This is fun!)
Eric from MO
March 26th, 20094:21 pm
MFin04-”Boyer really sucked last year…yeh yeh overuse…but i think he’ll suck again this year. Im not buying Boyer yet”
How do you figure it wasnt that he was overused. His first 50 apperances he was really good after that he sucked. Looks to me he pitched more than he was used to.
Dave, What positive spin that bobby cox put on this don’t make any damn sense lost ! He always freaking do !!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s actually two good springs for Mr Sheyfor for those keeping count.
We’ll see if it matters. Prado’s had 3 great springs and he’s still a backup. Salty had a good spring and wasn’t brought north. The “competition” isn’t much a competition when you figure in arb clocks, waivers, seasoning, etc…I don’t know what Bobby & Wren are thinking.
DAP, nice post. We really don’t need Anderson. This team has more to gain with Schafer’s energy alone than what Anderson could provide, because as far as I’m concerned, the regulars (KJ, Frenchy, Chipper, Kotchman, Garret) all seem to lack enthusiasm. Anderson’s chance was last season, when he should’ve been brought north as the 4th outfielder for late game pinch hitting duty, but they went with Blanco. Coulda, shoulda, woulda….it’s Schafer’s time. Hopefully management makes the right choice.
March 26th, 20094:22 pm
Should announce Schafer as CF while they’re at it – I’m sure one press conference is cheaper than two.
You just have to get a girl, that would work for you.
I agree on your bullpen selection and coments……..I think that Braves dont need Ohman to pitch as many innings as he did last year, that might be a good thing to his arm.
What you mention about Soriano is almost right on target, but remember last season, Hamptons arm was ready by april and he kept himself on the shelf because many other reasons but his arm.
March 26th, 20094:24 pm
We’ll see if it matters. Prado’s had 3 great springs and he’s still a backup.
C’mon, Bobby’s, don’t be like that, now, LOL.
March 26th, 20094:25 pm
DAP, nevertheless… his production so far over 70+ big league innings has been pretty damned good. I don’t think the Braves can or will simply dismiss that. I mean, you’re not going to pencil him in as you’re setup man or anything, but as the last guy out of your pen (other than the long-reliever)… a live arm like that with an early career ERA of 3.17… seems like we could do worse.
March 26th, 20094:26 pm
So are we losing? or did we lose? I’m confused!
March 26th, 20094:28 pm
KC, I’m with you on Acosta. I think he’s got stuff, and he is certainly a capable enough talent to have out of the pen.
KC, ok. id agree with that. he is just behind several other guys if i was making the bullpen.
March 26th, 20094:29 pm
Lol…i didn’t want to go there, but i needed an example to show that it’s not necessarily how good a spring that matters in deciding who comes north when a “competition” is declared. I think you got my drift though…
Doc Holiday, yeah, I realize that ailments not related to the arm can keep a guy on the shelf. BUT… Hampton was able to come back and give the Braves nearly 3 months of (overall fairly solid) starts. Had Hampton had another arm problem last year, he probably wouldn’t have contributed at all.
Let’s say the EXACT same scenario played out with Soriano as what we had with Hampton, and Soriano misses the first half of the season, but comes back solid in the second half. That would still help this team a great deal in a pennant race.
I’m just saying that if Soriano is having arm problems, you probably have to write him off at this point. But if it’s not arm related, there’s a better chance we’ll get something useful out of him, even if we can’t bank on him as our setup guy all year long.
Anyway, here’s hoping.
Doc (4:22), I’m working on that “Roman Gal”, but she’s playing hard to get. I haven’t given up yet. It’s a long season.
JEZ___Na we won in extra innings, glad to help
March 26th, 20094:30 pm
Yeah, Acosta is good, he is just a kid learning……..you will learn to appreciate his good work and his good stuff.
“And what is it that people have against Manny Acosta here? ”
KC, only thing I have against Acosta is that he walks about 1 batter every 2 innings, which is a tough way to make a living in MLB. In ‘07, 14 BB in 23.2 innings; in ‘08, 26 walks in 53 innings.
He’s got a huge fastball – but can’t really seem to throw it for strikes. He’s kinda’ skated by on it so far, so maybe it’ll never be a big problem. His K rate dropped dramatically last year, and so did his ERA, but he was still pretty decent. I’m not “against” him, but it’s a little scary to put your faith in a guy who walks over 4.5 per 9.
March 26th, 20094:31 pm
DAP, are they really 7-10 guys you’d choose over Acosta for this ‘pen? I’m sure I would agree with you on at least a few, but who are back-end relievers that you’d choose over Acosta?
March 26th, 20094:32 pm
mbatl, I agree that Acosta walks too many batters. No question. He’s not a perfect product by any means. Just saying… a live arm and a 3.17 over 70+ big league innings…
JEZ, I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that you’re not a detective, right?
March 26th, 20094:35 pm
The Yankees have a reliever named Coke. That should help with their gazillion dollars of endorsement revenue that they already get.
KC, yep. Can’t argue with that (though of course I’d like too!)
March 26th, 20094:36 pm
Rob from SC — Bobby Cox said, a few weeks ago, that they like Jo-Jo’s value as a starter instead of out of the bullpen. I don’t have the link in front of me right now, but I believe I saw it in one of Bowman’s article on atlantabraves.com.
Just traded Josh to Jimmy Johns. In return all Braves fans get 5% off their next order.
Boy, my spelling is awful today… but it’s only Spring Training.
March 26th, 20094:39 pm
We apparently still don’t have a closer. Time to make cuts and get serious. The games that count are fast approaching. We need results instead of experiments at this point.
March 26th, 20094:41 pm
There’s not a thing wrong with Acosta except he needs to be used properly. Same thing with Boyer.
Acosta was once beloved on the blog, but when he got thrown under the bus some time last July.
Once a player has a bad streak, it’s pretty hard for them to get back into the blog’s good graces. Fans of Francouer, Boyer, and Acosta can attest to that.
March 26th, 20094:42 pm
BB5795………you just ask for help if needed.
I dont think we have the luxury of waiting to see what happens with soriano for 3 months………I know the season is long, but we play in a tough division know. I think its the toughest in the NL. I mean Defendind Champions, good hitting muts, Marlins are no easy cookie and the nats know our number and now their middle of the lineup is Zman, Dunn, Johnson, that not close to a walk in the park. I think the team that is going to win this is the one that goes fast out of the gate, and the team that can put 5 game winning streaks here and there………braves muts and phillies will do so or at least 2 of those teams will. We need soriano to be ready NOW, cause we cant put the charge on moylan and gonzo right from the beginning. I mean, we have great SP but we know that they dont go more than 6 or 7 in early april.
March 26th, 20094:43 pm
For those they think that ST is important look this ERA Stat:
Guys Is ST…relax…Bobby is evaluate what his got in the Pen.
Look At this ERA of the Braves:
F Bueno 0.00
March 26th, 20094:44 pm
Are people really this freaked out because the Gwinnett Braves’ 5th starter blew a save? How does that warrant saying we “still don’t have a closer”? Neither Gonzalez nor Moylan pitched in this game, and Boyer did great. Everyone chillax a little bit.
Doesn’t matter!!! To the minors or waivers immediately! You should come to ST throwing easy (Webster) gas, in mid-season shape, and ready to play! What’s wrong with this guy?!?
March 26th, 20094:46 pm
Thanks, Doc. If you ever saw me, you’d know I need it.
March 26th, 20094:47 pm
’scoots, I only spell well in high-leverage situations. Just can’t get motivated to spell wright when it doesn’t really matter (to me).
March 26th, 20094:48 pm
Agreed about Acosta. He was forced into closing, which he wasn’t prepared to do, hit a bad stretch, and then got hurt. He never really recovered.
Hope it didn’t mess with his head (like it seemed to do with Joey Devine). Not that I think Acosta has Devine’s potential, but Acosta does have a good arm and it would be a shame if he got rattled simply because he had to accept an uncomfortable role.
March 26th, 20094:49 pm
Obviously, just one more reason the Braves should sign Ohman, LOL. Everything else is. HA!
March 26th, 20094:50 pm
I agree scoots. If he keeps spelling like this, he’ll be typing posts for the Miss. Braves so fast it’ll make his head spin.
March 26th, 20094:51 pm
my eight in the pen (assuming Soriano is on the DL)
mbatl, how is your choice of words in high-leverage situations?
Is translating for Kenshin Kawakami for many interested fan-Braves. Is repeating:
“Many aspects evident in outing yesterday. Honorable and not quite. Arm awakens like cave bear. Soul and abdomen seeking more manifestation. Mind following all. Season portends fortuitous.”
Is direct quoting always.
Doc Holiday, I agree. I didn’t say we don’t need Soriano. We do! But… there’s nothing the Braves can do about it. He’ll either be ready, or he won’t. As the season progresses, they’re still unable to count on him, then they can look to swing a deal, but all we can do now is hope.
My only point was that even if he misses time early with a non-arm-related ailment, but comes back strong mid-way through the season… he could still contribute in a significant way to this team. I was saying that in response to those who are calling for his release for no apparent reason, despite the fact that we’ll have to pay him regardless of whether or not we keep him. I’m simply saying “why in the world would you release him??”
March 26th, 20094:54 pm
I’m working on that “Roman Gal”, but she’s playing hard to get. I haven’t given up yet. It’s a long season. BB5795
You’re too good for me.
March 26th, 20094:59 pm
Uh-Oh. I didn’t know she was listening. I think my chances have further regressed. She just gave me the “it’s not you, it’s me routine”. Doc, don’t go to far, I may need that help.
March 26th, 20095:00 pm
Can’t release Soriano; can’t trade him. Just gotta hope he gets healthy (mentally or physically, whatever is needed) and gives us some good innings. He can be very good when he’s on. If he’s hurt, DL him and call up some of that depth we’re so blessed to have.
He’s really an odd case; that BMF attitude (which is so cool, kinda’ like the old Al Hrabosky act) doesn’t really match with his inability to stay on the field.
If Soriano is not ready to go on opening day, it only exacerbates the need to sign Ohman, who was very good as a set up guy, not just a lefty specialist.
March 26th, 20095:01 pm
Yojii (4:51) DOB said exactly the same thing, last night.
March 26th, 20095:02 pm
Dave, your blog here implies that Campillo has no role in the rotation except maybe in case of an apocalyptic emergency (like 3 starters get hurt). Am I reading this right? Any chance he gets traded?
March 26th, 20095:03 pm
Rob from SC …So you think the Braves will Carryer 13 pitcher?
mbatl, as I know from long association in this forum, is a highly-touted prospect wordsmith. Plus-plus grammar, plus syntax, both above 70 on the scouting scale. Must concentrate on his arm-slot when spelling, but also 70+ there when his mechanics are repeatable. Hides the ball well, and sneaky-fast with his punditry when he chooses to break it out. All in all, an excellent candidate to break with the big club after ST.
March 26th, 20095:04 pm
Frank Wren is on in 1 min on the Bill Shanks radio show
The lack of a lefty situational guy in the pen is glaring. So what is the problem with Will Olhman? Is is “personality” or something? Financial? (he isn’t THAT expensive?) Help me out here, folks!
March 26th, 20095:07 pm
we will only have 4 starters and 8 relievers to start the year
March 26th, 20095:09 pm
No need to release him. You can always DL him and find a solution to the problem in the mean time. JoJo, Morton, whatever.
March 26th, 20095:11 pm
The sky is falling!
March 26th, 20095:13 pm
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March 26th, 20095:14 pm
Braves Paisan (5:04), I started a collection, a few hours ago, to help purchase Ohman. I kicked it off with $5 and a few returnable empties. As of right now, we’re up to $5.35. Once DOB contributes, we’ll be a lot closer. Give what you can afford.
March 26th, 20095:15 pm
BFIR, you’re correct. I think we have to look at Acosta’s and Boyer’s performances last season in proper context. Too many innings(Boyer) and incorrect role(Boyer and Acosta).
I think they’ll be ok this season, but if we don’t have a suitable replacement for Ohman, that means more work for them because Bobby is going to have to use a righthander where he does feel confident in Logan or whoever sticks.
Is there any way we could trade Soriano for Carl Pavano? Maybe throw in a MRI machine.
March 26th, 20095:17 pm
KCDAP, are they really 7-10 guys you’d choose over Acosta for this ‘pen?
i figured youd ask. my bully would be, depending on health, gonzalez, soriano, moylan, boyer, logan, carlye, bennett.
to me, you can swap out bennett or carlyle with campillo if you want, and id probably put that medlin kid in before acosta. unless he has solved the fact that he seems like a head case, id value him about the same as vlad nunez, valdez or other decnt looking AAA relievers weve got.
kirkinga There’s not a thing wrong with Acosta except he needs to be used properly.
i disagree. he cant handle getting in a jam very well, in my opinion. maybe he has solved that, i dont know.
Frank Wren just said Ohman has been rejecting the Braves all winter long…ouch!
March 26th, 20095:18 pm
DOB, thoughts on the Decemberists’ latest effort? I’m liking it. Very concept, very prog-rocky. Good to see Shara Worden prominently featured. She’s got some pipes.
March 26th, 20095:19 pm
Based on Wren’s comments Schafer is going to AAA
March 26th, 20095:20 pm
Will Ohman wants 2miillion per year. I think the Braves could offer him a one year deal worth 2 million, considering Garret Anderson was only signed for 2.5 million and Tom Glavine for 1 million(plus incentive that will be differed). I know they had 5-6 million before those two, and now Ohman is necesarry.
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