1:35 pm March 25, 2009, by David O'Brien
March 26th, 200912:21 pm
And Gonzo was also coming back six months early from Tommy Johnson surgery. He deserves a bit of slack. 14 of 16 converted saves ain’t all that bad, especially given how many times we’ve been told that relef pitchers should not be judged on ERA or W-L records.
March 26th, 200912:22 pm
hey. Does anyone have Dish Network? Will it have CSS on it? If so, what channel. Thanks in advance.
Apparently Moylan thinks it is important to show up in non-save situations. I guess he isn’t an adrenaline guy…just a great pitcher!
March 26th, 200912:24 pm
I understand…the whole dont judge relief pitchers on ERA…but a contact pitcher….with a low ERA could be a great closer. If guys get on against Moylan…he can get a double play better than most.
cafleming, unfortunately i have dish newtork and no css is not available on it just like peachtree tv…we must come together to make them add it to there programming!
March 26th, 200912:25 pm
I thought we tried the KJ lead-off thing last year. I really don’t like KJ in the lead-off spot, has to take too many pitches. I really hope Bobby isn’t trying this experiment again this year. So he bats a terrible lead off guy last night-Anderson and then bats Schafer 8th and KJ lead-off. Oh boy here we go again.
March 26th, 200912:26 pm
Lew, ain’t it the truth. Ollie’s always been aloof and now he’s added out of shape; and Maine is a head-case too, IMO.
As to today’s lineup, looks good to me. I’ve always felt that IF Shafer (hey epi, you say wafer I say Shafer) makes the team, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to bat him down in the order for a month or two. Let him get comfortable (it’s what Cleveland did with Sizemore, btw). Not saying today proves that’s the plan, but I think it would make sense.
And all the Schafer lovers…get ready for disappointment he ain’t making the opening day roster. The Braves would never just let Josh Anderson walk….even if JS is the better player. He just isnt THAT much better and this point in time.
What I’ve read is Braves offered Will 2 years at 6 million last July…took it off the table and offered him $4 million for 2 years in November…now he wants $1.75 million for 1 year and Braves aren’t buying.
Hanson should be with the big club, not AAA. We have pitchers like Glavine who isn’t sure when he will be 100%. And of course don’t forget Mr. I’m too SOR to pitch IANO. Hanson is telling the world he is ready to dominate while high priced vets keep milking it!
I’m sorry Bobby but you are too loyal sometimes. Put the best team on the field!
March 26th, 200912:27 pm
Not sure if you watched South Park from a couple weeks ago, but they skewer Disney, the Jonas Brothers and everything they stand for. It’s brilliant satire. They post all episodes online – http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/221275/ – take a look when you get a chance.
cvbraves: and anyone else in regards to Kelly.
Statistically, Kelly hits better when his plate appearances last 3 pitches or less. He’s not a great 2 strike hitter. You want him somewhere lower in the order where he can be more aggressive.
March 26th, 200912:29 pm
Schafer has played full season above A ball. A few months in AAA couldn’t hurt. Not too impressed by J Anderson’s offense though. Wasn’t Kelly tried batting leadoff two years in a row and it was determined he was better down in the order. Don’t know why they keep doing the same thing if it didn’t work before. If the CF isn’t in leadoff wouldn’t Escobar be a better option??
I would be more then happy to give you a cut of my winnings! Can’t seem to get the head to work…I guess my Rally McTurtle will have to be headless:}
cvbraves-And apparently, no one else is, either.
March 26th, 200912:30 pm
Come on, DOB. With all due respect to Mr. Disney, everyone knows that Little Five Points is the happiest place ever. At least Dave Attell sure seemed impressed with that locale when he did Insomniac from the ATL.
Well, anyway, it’s awfully cool to have hardball back in season. As far as CF goes, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Josh Anderson as the starter when 2009 kicks off but there is no way, barring injury, that they will be able to keep Jordan Schafer off of the Atlanta roster this season.
This may seem a little far out there right now, but if Frenchy bounces back this year and Gregor Blanco, Matt Diaz and, of course, Garret Anderson play up to their capabilities then it may be possible that Frank Wren might be able to work a trade i.e. Josh Anderson for a solid left-handed pitcher for the bullpen. You never know.
Can someone post the lineup…if its posted? What about Hanson as a closer….waste of a good starter? Looks like the Braves need some relievers….Fran. Bueno looked pretty good.
Kotchman scratched again from lineup today. Talked to him before game, said he’s getting closer to getting his legs back under him, but that flu back knocked him for a loop. Lost about 5 pounds, said he doesn’t want to play again until he’s strong, so he doesn’t do anything that sets him back.
Smoky Joe Wood
March 26th, 200912:32 pm
I thought there was a chance that Heyward and Freeman might jump to AA, with all the success they had. I know it is the “safe” thing to move them up to high A, which they’ve only had a taste of. But it’s hard not to believe that they could make the jump, as good as they looked this spring.
I can’t help it; I wanna “fast-track ‘em”. I bet they only spend half the year in A ball.
March 26th, 200912:33 pm
Josh, we discussed this at length the other day, but it’s universally true that everyone’s a better hitter early in the count. As the count gets longer batting average and slugging percentage go down but on-base percentage goes up.
March 26th, 200912:34 pm
Coach, Gonzo’s surgery was in May of 2007. He’s had almos another year of playing under his belt. Not a year removed from surgery. It was somewhere near the end of May 2007 that the Braves learned that he needed the surgery. Can’t remember details of WHEN the surger was actually done. But it was NOT in March of 2008.
As I preached all of last season, that he wouldn’t be up to his standards (or the ones he set for himself pre-surgery), LAST year, since he came back sooner than expected (very similar to Hudson this year). That being said, I fully expected him to be rarin’ to go this spring, and it doesn’t seem so.
The why or how his velocity and command isn’t up, really isn’t important to me. I’m not scolding him, or ragging on him.
Simply stating that I expected him to be 100 percent and ready to kick azz. As I’m guessing Wren did, when constructing the team. As I stated earlier, if Soriano is gonna have a season of setback, upon setback AND Gonzo isn’t ready to be what he was before he became a Brave, our bullpen WILL NOT be as good as advertised.
How’s GF doin’ with all of this snow?
I take it you didn’t see the game last night. Anderson is terrible in the lead off position. Look at the stats this spring Anderson is hitting in the low .200’s and Schafer in the high .300’s with 5 steals to Anderson’s 1. Nope not better at all…good point.
Savannah Dawg-Soriano’s status will likely NOT effect Hanson. As for Glavine, you may find that JoJo Reyes is next up and not Hanson.
mbatl-Let’s wait and have Anders tell us why it was a much better deal for the Mets to sign Oliver Perez to a contract when they wouldn’t pony up and extra mil per year and an extra year to Derek Lowe. I still think it all comes down to the non existent money the Mets’ fans think they have to spend. (Lew)
I think it’s just a bit premature to see which deal has better value -no? BTW- It was $3 mil per difference and an additional year at $15mil for a total of $24 mil more to Lowe. That’s not a small number especially when your talking about a 36 year old versus a 26 year old. That additional $24 mil represents 66% of Ollie’s whole contract!
That aside, as I said when Ollie came back from the WBC “He needs to get back to the structure he craves.” That’s exactly what Warthen and Santana will give him.
In a single season comparison I don’t expect him to be Lowe, nor is he being paid to be. He is what he is. And every 5 starts or so you will get what they got last night from him- That’s Ollie. In a so-so year he’ll give them 12 or 13 wins, in a good year 15 or 16 and if he hits on all cylinders for a year he may win 18. Overall I’ll take an average of 15 wins a year from him. We’ll see.
Want to talk about your relief pitchers now?
March 26th, 200912:35 pm
Nathan-You washed down the mountainside yet? Got your sandbags ready?
Lew, is that a fact? Let me explain something to you and maybe some others that might not know the difference between “redneck” and “country”. Redneck is a guy/woman who goes out and looks for fights and is a rude piece of crap that is a racist low life. Country folks are just people set in their ways and say ya’ll a lot. I’m no low life redneck and I take a take a shower daily. And lets not forget the northerners who can be some pretty disgusting people… believe me, I know a few that can put a redneck to shame with their rudeness. Sorry that was so long and I wasn’t bashing you at all. Good day!
MFin, I didn’t know it was possible to disagree with someone on every single point. The stats we’ve been reeling off aren’t “technical baseball analysis”. They are common indicators for anyone that follows baseball closely. ERA, Wins and Losses, and even WHIP to a certain extent are grossly misleading. Touting those stats for a guy barely removed from Tommy John surgery, in the freaking month of SEPTEMBER from a non competing squad, is tantamount to sacrilege for anyone that puts even minor credence into sabermetrics and PECOTA.
Gonzales has never pitched well in spring training. Even though he was fresh off Tommy John surgery, he still converted saves and registered a high number of Ks. He’ll be fine. Prospectus projects him as, “having shaken off the rust, he should finally emerge this year as the dominant closer the Braves thought they had acquired form the Pirates two years ago.” I’ve seen nothing this spring to change my mind. His velocity is there. His makeup is there. I guess we’ll see in April.
As for Schafer, I’ve become increasingly convinced he will start as out center fielder. Anderson was atrocious last night, both at the plate and in the field. With a squad that will be hitting for average and OBP rather than power and SLG, it is essential we have no holes in our lineup. We need to play the odds and have people on base, so our hitters will be able to move runners over. Anderson’s atrocious OBP and inability to use his speed make him a liability. Further, while he is fast in the field, his arm is weak and he takes questionable routes. My belief is Schafer will win that job.
March 26th, 200912:36 pm
blawg dawg no caps just for you got a j.o.b. yet?? you really need to get a life you dam MORON just shut your piehole fat boy by the way are you a DAD? DUMB AZZ DONKEY LMAO sorry bout the caps I couldnt resist GO BRAVOS! GO DAWGS! GO TIGER! SORIANO NO COMPRENDE HE GOT SPEEDY CLAXTON DISEASE HE NO PLAY BUT HE GET PAY SPEEDY SHOULD WEAR A MASK WHEN HE CASHES HIS CHECK BEEN HERE TWO YEARS & HADNT DONE JACK! FAST EDDIE PEREZ FOR MANAGER WHEN BOBBY RETIRES CAUSE HE YES COMPRENDE ESPANOL SI SENOR
Eric from MO
March 26th, 200912:37 pm
SAVANNAH DAWG Soriano is a reliever not a starter. Why would you put a future ace in the bullpin? Would you have done that with Maddux or Glavine in their early twenties? If so, you are a moron. As for Glavine not being ready, you never know. If Glavine aint ready on April 19th Hanson may get called up. Bobby even said these guys will be called up immediately if anyone of the rotation isnt ready.
MFin04-I’m not seeing them putting Hanson in the pen. They’ll want to keep his arm strength up and I doubt that he’ll get enough work in relief.
March 26th, 200912:39 pm
They will not let Anderson go through waivers. You just can’t be sure that Schafer will be legit against real MLB pitching.
No problem with sending Hanson down right now. Even if they were going to open with him in the rotation, why not send him down at the start of the season to delay the clock since he won’t be needed until the 19th at the earliest.
Lineup, according to MLB boxscore, for Braves: Kelly, Yunel, Chipper, BMac, Jeff, Norton, Brandon, Jordon, Lowe.
Rob from SC
March 26th, 200912:40 pm
March 26th, 200912:41 pm
If we make Schafer the CF and bat him 8th, we should just keep Anderson. Schafer will not see to many fastballs hitting in front of the pitcher
Good point Epinephrine
I completely forgot about the weak arm Anderson displayed last night. Charged a ball and had it just as runner was rounding 2nd base and threw a 2 or 3 hopper to 3rd base and wasn’t even close to nailing runner. Very weak arm-Schafer would’ve thrown him out by a couple steps. Scouts say Schafer’s arm is stronger than Francoeurs.
Just glanced at today’s lineup. We’re seeing BC try all kinds of different things. Different guys at the top of the order, different arrangements at the back end… but one thing that seems to be consistent right now: Jones, McCann, Fancoeur – 3/4/5.
I think that’s what we’re likely to see on April 5th. Though he might flip Francoeur and McCann in the lineup against lefties.
And for the record, I think that’s the right call. I think the LF Anderson/Diaz platoon should hit 5th. Not sure who should lead off. You’d like to see J.Anderson or Schafer (whoever wins CF) lead off because of their speed… but they’ll have to prove that they can get on base consistently enough to lead off.
I could see the Braves doing exactly what Tampa did with Price last year – bring him up as a reliever in September, and for the playoffs (God willing). That’s assuming of course that we don’t have him in the rotation. He’d (probably) be dominant for an inning or two during the stretch drive, and you don’t have to worry too much about controlling innings.
That’s a lot different than putting him there now – which would never, ever happen.
how exciting…The wild “moron” bill is back
March 26th, 200912:42 pm
DOB since the Braves dont need their 5th starter till April 19th, would it be logical to open with Schafer and Anderson both on the opening day roster. That gives us 2 more weeks to trade Anderson.
March 26th, 200912:43 pm
Anders-I could have written that post for you. I KNEW that’s what you’d say. However, if you care to notice, the comments on Ollie’s fat butt and laziness were made by YOUR pitching coach and not we Braves’ fans. How can he come back after two or three weeks in worse shape than when he reported? Hell, had he been pitching in Mexico, it might could be blamed on enchilads and home cooking. But in Toronto? What would Chipper say?
“Schafer’s arm is stronger than Francoeurs” I’d like to see that contest. They should add something like that to the all-star game.
March 26th, 200912:45 pm
TnBrian-You think I never saw a redneck before? Dude, I only live in Vermont now (and they have rednecks here, too). I spent almost four decades in the glorious South. I’ve met quite a few. Liked a bunch of them, too. Redneck is not necessarily a derogatory term.
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Also…I’ve always thought a speedy guy in front of the pitcher…made sense. You can bunt him to second…or maybe steal second (obviously harder with the pitcher hitting)? But if he is on second for the top of the order…he can score a lot of runs from the 8th spot.
March 26th, 200912:50 pm
But Schafer does strikeout a lot. If he see’s a ton of breaking balls he might struggle
Let Schafer hit 2nd in front of Chipper. He will see great pitches
mbatl, I think Hanson cracks the rotation in June.
March 26th, 200912:51 pm
March 26th, 200912:52 pm
Haha…Thanks! That’s strange that you can’t get the head to work…are you using a Mac or PC?
You could also just copy and paste my Rally McTurtle.
TnBrianI think that country would be a sub category of Southern…I was born and raised in the south and the closest “country” I could get was living in Norcross in the 80’s, Alpharetta in the 90’s and Cherokee in the 00’s, all before the tsunami of urban sprawl hit. I can twang when need be but can also “youse” guys as well, depending on the company I keep (the result of crossbreeding of a Texas mother with a Jersey father)…Calling someone a redneck is just a racial slur between white folks akin to white trash…
March 26th, 200912:53 pm
Two months ago people were doing thier lineup. I said I would wait toward the end of spring. Well here is mine.
1. cf Anderson/Schafer(depends who wins, I hope its Schafer)
2. ss Escobar
3. 3B Chipper
4. C McCann
5. 2B Johnson
6. LF Diez/Anderson
7. RF Francouer
8. 1B Kotchman
I hope Schafer wins, but I doubt he will. For the record when the spring began I wanted Anderson but Schafer is just better in every aspect of the game. McCann isn’t a typical cleanup hitter but we dont have one. Johnson just seams he is made for the 5 or 6 spot. I bet he has the 3rd most homeruns after McCann and Chipper. When I first made the lineup I thought of having Kotchman 7 and Francouer 8 but with Francouer trying to rebound his career I dont want him batting in front of the pitcher. On the days McCann isnt playing I would just move everybody up in the lineup and have Ross bat 8th.
Can anyone find this game on the radio
March 26th, 200912:54 pm
Yeah! Works!…sorry I won’t use it again, but I was just as curious as every one else!
I wonder if the Braves Brass have thought about using Hanson as a closer this year if Gonzales is ineffective or gets injured, and Soriano continues to be a bust.
I mean the Yankees did it the Joba and Boston turned Pappelbon from a starter into a dominating closer.
I’m not saying turn Hanson in to a closer full-time. Just maybe for a year if Gonzales or Soriano doesn’t work out. If you told him he could pitch for Gwinnett every 5th day or pitch for Atlanta as a closer and come in and throw gas every 3rd day or so, I think he would be up for it.
I don’t think Atlanta would ever do this. Just a thought.
Lew, the way some have said the word “redneck” to me is why I explained it that way. That’s the way I feel about a redneck though. The ones I grew up with are punks, while I think of myself and some in my family as just country people. There’s a huge difference in my eyes.
March 26th, 200912:55 pm
Francoeur batting 7th? Interesting. Seems low.
March 26th, 200912:56 pm
look at the arm trouble Chamberlain has had.
Eric, I like KJ hitting 5th. The misconception that you need a home-run hitter in the 5 hole will make a lot of people think it’s a stupid idea, but it’s a misconception. Kelly Johnson can hit a lot of doubles and drive in Chipper and McCann with their high OBP’s. I like KJ 5th.
March 26th, 200912:57 pm
is anybody providing play by play updates today?
Anyone find the game on radio?
TnBrian-Dude, This is not a rip, but I’m betting that you’re in your twenties. You should have seen some of them country folk back in the 60’s. Now THERE were some real rednecks. And yes, I’m aware of the difference. Like I said-I lived down south for a long time and have drunk much sweet tea and ate much BBQ in many southern dives and talked fishin with quite a few people. You’re not educating me.
March 26th, 200912:59 pm
you are brilliant! Never even thought about copying it…now my McTrutle has a head:) Here’s hoping he will bring me good fortune
I don’t know why people are equating Schafer’s Ks with trouble with breaking balls. He hits breaking balls fine. He strikes out on fastballs and breaking balls equally. His problem isn’t a particular type of pitch, it’s that he doesn’t change his approach at all on two strikes. I don’t think where he hits in the lineup will really matter.
And MFin, it really isn’t that implausible the Braves would risk Anderson on waivers. Suffice it to say, he is valued more highly here than in GM offices around the leagues. Scouts don’t project him to become a MLB caliber starter. But I think it’s more likely we’ll see him traded in some kind of package deal.
N Nine (eta10)
I’m no low life redneck and I take a take a shower dailyTnBrian
Glad we got to you know a bit more. I’m sure Toobusy is happy you take a shower on a daily basis
March 26th, 20091:02 pm
It doesn’t make sense for anyone to trade for him…if they don’t value him…or if they could get him for free thru waivers.
“mbatl, I think Hanson cracks the rotation in June.”
I wouldn’t argue with that, PWH. But, the 5th starter doesn’t get regular work, and in a pennant drive is asked to go full tilt (innings) when he does pitch. If Glavine/Reyes/Morton is doing the job, I actually think it would be great to just let Hanson complete a full year in Gwinnett, and then join the Braves in Sept. as I suggested earlier.
That’s a luxury we probably won’t be able to afford, though, so I’m not disagreeing with you. Pretty good chance we’ll see him in June.
My comment was in response to the suggestion that we move Hanson to closer – and this is the ONLY circumstance where I can see him coming out of the ‘pen.
Aw, you’re too kind! Glad he’s got a head, now–hope your team has a great year!
March 26th, 20091:04 pm
Chip Caray is made of plastic.
I’m pretty sure Hanson won’t be the “5th starter” when he’s called up.
March 26th, 20091:05 pm
I rather thought that the Tennesseans were actually hillbillies–you know eyes too far apart, married to their sisters, bathroom humor, and fond of farm animals. Who knew?
Chopper to Chipper! Yeah!
Glavine scares me, I don’t know how much he has left in his arm
March 26th, 20091:07 pm
NEW BLOG IS UP
March 26th, 20091:08 pm
Ground out to Chipper, Escobar, and a fly out to left.
March 26th, 20091:09 pm
Lew, I’ll be 27 on Apr. 3. My girlfriend is getting me something right now and I can’t figure out what…hopefully she’s buying herself some sexy ligerie(think that’s how you spell that) . Anyways, sorry…I got ya. All I’m going by is my life experience with guys in school and work. I really wasn’t trying to educate you especially now that I know you’ve lived in the south before. You know your stuff…
March 26th, 20091:11 pm
Knuckle Sandwich regarding last night’s telecast…Dibble praised Francour at length about his new approach this spring and how he expects Frenchy to have a much better season than last year, plus he made several other comments complimentary to the Braves. I have always liked Dibble on XM and found him to be funny and insightful. I did not care for Carpenter at all and, yes, they are homers in building up their team for the new year, but I imagine that is the case with most teams’ broadcasters.
The only complaint I have about last night was how much they talked about the Nat’s depth at every position and how talented they are; it seems to me they are loaded with has-beens, rejects, and suspects and I don’t expect them to be very good this year, but, then again, they did kick our butts last year!
March 26th, 20091:13 pm
MFin04He blew 5 games. Or caused 5 losses….stop playing technical terms of baseball.
what if we are just accurate instead? in one of his blown saves, he also got the loss, so that not two separate games, thats one. in his other blown save, the braves actually won the game, so he didnt cause a loss that time. the other two losses were when he came into the game with it tied… and the team lost.
so really, he “caused” 3 losses in 36 appearances. he really pitched pretty well despite coming off of surgery.
Love how Kelly works the count full to leadoff.
March 26th, 20091:22 pm
Lew (12:14 pm): “Tennessee DOES have more rednecks per square mile than any other southern state except for maybe Mississippi.”
That’s just East Tennessee, and only because so much of the terrain is purt near perpendicular.
March 26th, 20092:07 pm
We’ve got some pitchers who can handle the bat here, don’t we? Lowe looked good with that hit, and Kawakami looked damn good, for a pitcher, at the plate last night.
March 26th, 20096:20 pm
Redneck is a guy/woman who goes out and looks for fights and is a rude piece of crap that is a racist low life
TN BRIAN aka TIN BRAIN
sounds just like you on this board with your short temper and nasty mouth. I guess we all figure you are a typical Tennesseean. You certainly aren’t helping to change the stereotype. If you aren’t a redneck I don’t know who is.
March 28th, 20093:25 am
Blanco just raises too many question marks for me. We have to keep Anderson for waiver issues but I would not be opposed to seeing Schafer and Anderson platoon in CF.
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