Port St. Lucie, Fla. – Greetings from Port St. Lonely, as I’ve heard Tom Glavine call it, where the Braves will play the Mets for the fifth time in eight days (relax, sticklers, I’m kidding.) The Braves will face ace Johan Santana, whose elbow was apparently not as bad as some predicted. It’s also much more of a usual Mets lineup with Carlos Beltran back from the WBC.
Carlos Delgado, who also played for Puerto Rico, has gotten a few more days off, but the Braves will see Reyes, Castillo, Murphy, Church etc. (scroll down and see lineup). So it’ll be a good test for Jair Jurrjens and the Braves and their sparkling 16-4 record. Only the Angels and their 16-4 record are as hot, all across spring training (Cactus League included).
OK wait, scratch that. Mets PR guy just came through the press room and told us Beltran had been scratched due to a stiff neck. Jeremy Reed will get the start in center field and the cleanup spot.
(And can I also say it’s hard to type with sticky fingers from barbecue ribs? DOB wasn’t kidding. The food here is off the charts.)
The Mets are 9-11 this spring, including three losses to the Braves 5-1, 7-4 and 12-1. So if the Mets win today, how much trash talking will be there on the ol’ blog? Well, there will be aplenty either way, I figure.
Anyway, it’s overcast here at the moment (35 minutes or so before game time) and windy, like it always is. The grounds crew guy assures me it will not rain. That’s good news for the Braves too. They’ve got their first real off day of spring training tomorrow – no simulated games, no workout, no nothing. They had three Mondays off, prior, but there was always something going on. Bobby Cox and the coaches, especially, have a well-deserved day of nothing coming.
Cox said if they had to turn the lights on at the stadium in Disney tonight, they’d get a game in today with somebody and take tomorrow off.
It’s that time of spring, where guys are getting tired and Cox recognizes that. He was talking in the dugout about how he should have cancelled batting practice today and let the buses leave Orlando much later than the 8:30 departure this morning. Normally, he says, early in camp, on bus rides, guys are talking, playing cards, cutting up. This morning, he said, two minutes into the trip, everybody was zzzzzzzz.
Some other things I learned from the dugout this morning….I asked about cuts (Andy K, you owe me – ha). Cox said he didn’t think they’d do cuts until March 26, which is Thursday. And even then they’d probably keep a lot of the guys in camp anyway. They’re short on bodies, which is obvious when you realize that most everybody made the trip today except those who are still sick (Casey Kotchman, and now Brandon Hicks) or nursing injuries (Chipper Jones, Garret Anderson) and of course in the WBC (Brian McCann).
And those guys should start falling in before long. Chipper is expected to get back in there on Tuesday night against the Pirates. Garret Anderson, who’s been doing some running on his strained right calf, was thinking the end of the week if all goes well.
“We’re trying to make sure we don’t rush him,” Cox said. “If he can play the last seven days, parts of them, we’ll be fine.”
Depending on what the U.S. team does tonight, Brian McCann will be back in camp either Monday or Tuesday. He’s flying back from the west coast and coming off a pretty extended “road trip” so I wouldn’t expect to see him in the lineup until maybe Wednesday.
Glavine, by the way, was feeling good this morning, Cox said. Had a smile on his face. So he apparently rebounded OK from yesterday’s outing, his first “real: game of spring (when he threw three scoreless vs. the Mets).
As for cuts, they will just be the next round. The final round will, of course, come when the Braves are back in Atlanta for back-to-back exhibition games against the Tigers April 3-4. I asked Bobby about the center field race, and he said, “We’ll make that decision on the last day, probably.”
He’s going to let this play out and for the moment, it seems too close to call. Entering today’s game (Sunday), Josh Anderson was hitting .295 (13-for-44) with three doubles, a triple and two home runs (including his pinch hit two-run shot yesterday), six RBIs and a stolen base. Jordan Schafer was hitting .385 (15-for-39), with four doubles, a homer, two RBIs and five stolen bases. Both are playing good defense.
I was thinking about this the other day, that it must be a little awkward for them, competing like they are, and lockerring just a few down from each other in the Braves home clubhouse. But then I saw them today walking through the visiting dugout together, talking about hitting. From what I picked up, it was about choking up with two strikes. It was back and forth and pleasant and…well, again, I marvel at how well guys deal with things like that. Girls wouldn’t speak (yes, I’m stereotyping. I apologize now.)
And speaking of guys and how they get along, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention what was at stake today, and why it might be a good thing I’m on the beat today!
We’ve got Kansas (DOB’s alma mater) taking on Dayton (Mark Bowman’s alma mater) and while I’m sure both will be nothing but gentlemen, I still don’t think it’d be too pretty having them watching the game together. Eh?
For those of us whose teams have eeked through to the Sweet 16, we’re just happy to be here, thanks. And it’s one more day on the beat before I toss it back to David O’Brien.
LINEUPS:
Braves
Josh Anderson CF
Yunel Escobar SS
Kelly Johnson 2B
Greg Norton 1B
Jeff Francoeur RF
Matt Diaz LF
Martin Prado 3B
Clint Sammons C
Jair Jurrjens P
Mets
Jose Reyes SS
Luis Castillo 2B
Daniel Murphy LF
Jeremy Reed CF
Ryan Church RF
Fernando Tatis 3B
Marlon Anderson 1B
Rene Rivera C
Johan Santana P
1,211 comments Add your comment
Steve McP
March 22nd, 2009
1:01 pm
Hey we do have a new blog, thanks Carroll, hope the computer holds up today
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
1:06 pm
Carroll, great win last night for Duke. The Blue Devils were able to contain Damian James and the Longhorn Bigmen. Tough challenge ahead in Villanova should be a good one.
JJ needs a good outing today.
DIRKADIRKA
March 22nd, 2009
1:09 pm
is the game on TV or Radio today?
Gorkys Miller
March 22nd, 2009
1:11 pm
So, Carroll, someone mentioned on another blog i regularly visit that Neil Walker, Neftali Soto, Todd Frazier, Matt Dominguez
and Taylor Green may be on or radar trade-wise. Any thoughts?
Gorkys Miller
March 22nd, 2009
1:12 pm
*the radar
Metropolitan Man1
March 22nd, 2009
1:13 pm
richbrave:
richbrave
March 22nd, 2009
8:54 am
MMan1:
According to my source, a MINNESOTA scout told him that JOHAN had long-term damage that would begin to show up in about two seasons. The nature of the injury was not revealed, but evidently would need major corrective surgery. Than’s all I know. Now you know what all the regulars have heard from me since I stopped screaming for the BRAVES to sign him in October-November 2008. I guess we’ll see if my contact was correct before the end of this season. Good luck with that.
Is that anything like predicting having a new left fielder, an Allstar shortstop to play second, a couple flame throwing starting pitchers? If so, then Santana’a elbow should be fine. I guess JJ’s confidence should be high, he doesn’t have to face Delgado or Beltran.
Jeff321
March 22nd, 2009
1:14 pm
Anderson grounds out to third, Escobar to short, and Johnson strikes out.
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
1:21 pm
Jeff Francouer is going to hit a homer today, i can feel it.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
1:21 pm
nice first inning for santana, two groundouts and gets Kelly swinging.
Gorkys don’t know enough about those guys to say.
Brandon, thanks. texas really revealed our weakness – in the middle. After the big fella fouled out, there was so much space in there and they spread us out and drove, it was pretty….but i have to say all the long faces I saw on the Texas bench before the game was over would have bothered me if i were a Horn. Guys were pulling jerseys up over their faces before the game was over, you know? Maybe that was just me.
Jurrjens gets through the first, perfect. I’m down in the press room, doing as the romans do in rome, since the press box here is so high and not a great view, or easy access to clubhouses, etc, but i feel a little dettached. weird.
Game is on the radio. Jim Powell is here and working hard.
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
1:22 pm
I hope he does Dan, especially off Johan Santana.
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
1:23 pm
Anybody have a link to the radio call? The MLB gameday is always messed up.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
1:26 pm
really nice at-bat for jeff against Santana. fought off some tough pitches to hit, laid off an inside pitch 3-2 to draw a walk
PWHjort
March 22nd, 2009
1:27 pm
The announcers are raving about Francoeur’s new swing, who just drew a walk.
Metropolitan Man1
March 22nd, 2009
1:27 pm
Whoever that was last night/early this morning that wanted to know about the Mets prospects, knock yourself out:
http://metsonline.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/mets-2009-top-10-prospects/
If Francoer is sacrificing balance at the plate for power like Chumper did last year to win the batting title (that and sitting out many games), then expect what you are seeing in spring to be there in the season. Not really looking to mash it, I just want to put in in play.
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
1:27 pm
Carroll, the jersey over the thing kind of reminded me of Adam Morrison crying in the middle of the floor against UCLA a couple years back. But you got give em credit they played a heck of a ball game.
If Brian Zoubek can give them quality minutes as he did last night, i think Duke can make some noise. Nova is similar to Duke i.e. spread the floor, attack, and shoot the 3. But they are a little more physical.
Nice start for JJ. Francouer is up in this inning, be nice to see him get a hit of Santana build his confidence a little bit.
Epinephrine
March 22nd, 2009
1:28 pm
Great, great AB for Frenchy there.
Joe
March 22nd, 2009
1:28 pm
Watching on TV, Francouer looks great. Very short swing and a walk vs the Johann Monster, while fouling off good pitches. Very impressive…that would’ve been a three pitch strikeout last year. And good to hear the Mets announcers praising him. They are a class act
nolie
March 22nd, 2009
1:29 pm
Thanks, dogsbrekky — right back atcha, doubled an d redoubled.
take it to a motel room guys
KC
March 22nd, 2009
1:31 pm
Yet another outstanding at-bat by Jeff Francoeur. Very impressive the way he worked the count and fouled off pitches on Santana, and drew the walk. This is a different guy at the plate. No doubt about it. Francoeur is definitely poised for a nice season.
wiki
March 22nd, 2009
1:32 pm
Yeah, JJ sure is glad Beltran & Delgado aren’t in the lineup today. Combined, they’ve mustered a career .100 BA against JJ.
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
1:33 pm
Im so glad I drafted Jeff in the ESPN fantasy baseball thing…he is going to have a great year.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
1:33 pm
Enter your comments here
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
1:34 pm
Anybody have a game update?
PWHjort
March 22nd, 2009
1:34 pm
I like these announcers.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
1:34 pm
Nice at-bat by Prado too, just drew a walk……and much respect for the Mets’ TV crew, and not just because of my girlhood crush on Ron Darling. They really have done their homework on the Braves, which is smart since they’ll be facing the Mets 18 times this year
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
1:36 pm
Nice at bats from Frenchy and Prado to get walks.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
1:37 pm
Clint Sammons struck out to strand two, which makes that three Ks for Santana in the first two innings. His changeup is nasty (yes, this just in).
Brandon, much respect for Texas and the way they played. And I’ve always been a Rick Barnes fan from his days at Clemson and of course for him standing up to Big Dean.
bravefaninok
March 22nd, 2009
1:39 pm
frenchy is looking sharp this spring,the mets announcers are a class act.
Jeff321
March 22nd, 2009
1:39 pm
Hey, what do ya know! Frenchy hits the cutoff man this time.
Andrew
March 22nd, 2009
1:41 pm
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl_3_1.jsp?mid=200903163978713&w_id=919771&w=reflector%3A28460&pid=mlb_lg&gid=2009/03/22/atlmlb-nynmlb-1&fid=mlb_lg400&cid=mlb&v=3
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
1:45 pm
Rick Barnes vs. Dean Smith that was a classic…
Im impressed with Frenchy’s approach this spring.
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
1:45 pm
Enter your comments here
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
1:45 pm
Jurrjens is throwing that changeup a lot.
Bravesgal
March 22nd, 2009
1:45 pm
You know jeff321, your constant berating of Francoeur makes you appear childish. Perhaps you are a child?
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
1:45 pm
crap….in my head I always make fun of people when they post the “Enter your comments here” but now it’s happened to me…
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
1:47 pm
Nice damage control by Jurrjens there. Leadoff double and a two-out walk didn’t hurt him, got Rivera on a broken bat roller which Escobar handled nicely….Mixed in were back-to-back strikeouts – both called – on Church and Tatis. 0-0 through two
nolie
March 22nd, 2009
1:47 pm
’ll tell you, I’m afraid to say anything about Brandon Hicks, anymore, LOL. I’ve seen him in maybe a donzen games over the last two years, and I didn’t come away with the defensive opinion posted by DOB and the Braves. Since I have to assume they know a little more about the kid than I (HA!), I’m starting to think I was watching somebody else altogether! SCOOTS
I’m not all that impressed either. I think it’s a long shot that he ever amounts to anything. The Braves are known for hyping their prospects since they trade so many of them. The same guys are saying the same things that they said about Marte a few years ago and remember how much hype was coming out of there for Lillibridge last year, the biggest difference this year is that Hicks asset is power and Lilli’s was speed. Since Dave has seemed to buy into the Hicks adventure we will likely get a “good talking to”about these posts. so I might as well end this with an LOL too
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
1:48 pm
Frenchy is really a new man. I don’t expect a lot of homers by him, but I do expect a much higher OBP, AVG, RBI’s, and a lot of doubles.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
1:49 pm
embarrassing, isn’t it spotts?
KC
March 22nd, 2009
1:49 pm
I’m truly amazed by what we’re seeing from Francoeur. I really am. I mean, I thought he’d look better this spring – maybe like he looked in ‘07… but he doesn’t just look better… he looks totally different. Complete transformation from hacker to HITTER.
The power isn’t there yet, but it’ll come. Gotta get the hitting stroke down first, then the power stroke. When Frenchy get’s to a point where he’s completely comfortable with his adjustments and his ability to make solid contact in any situation, he can them pick his spots when it’s reasonable to swing for the fences. That’s how Chipper does it… swing for solid contact in general, and selectively swing away.
And with Francoeur’s natural ability, if he just makes solid contact day in and day out, he’ll hit 15 HR’s by accident.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
1:51 pm
I like what Josh tried there, the bunt attempt. Nice play by Johan, but I respect that Josh is trying to learn a skill the Braves really want him to capitalize on.
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
1:51 pm
Carroll, what did u think of Jon Scheyer’s play falling out of bounds? I thought it saved the game for Duke.
Any idea who else is in line to pitch today?
KC
March 22nd, 2009
1:52 pm
Carroll, agreed. VERY nice damage control. Impressive. Jurrjens pitches to contact, but he has the stuff to look for the strikeout when he needs it, which he did in that inning and got it.
Jurrjens got a great chance to be an ace. He’s already a quality pitcher, but he may establish himself as a legit #1. He’s got the stuff, the control, and the poise. Here’s hoping he does just that this year.
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
1:54 pm
Why don’t the Braves have a channel like SNY. Since TBS I mean.
KC
March 22nd, 2009
1:54 pm
I’m watching the game on MLBTV, and I have to say that these Mets announcers are really good. Enjoyable to listen to, and they know their stuff. Complimentary of BOTH teams where it’s deserved. And frankly, they’re talking more intelligently about the team than Chip Caray does half the time.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
1:57 pm
KC
Gotta agree with your assesment of Francoeur- I haven’t gotten to see him really at all but from what I have been reading it sounds like he really made the effort in the offseason to become more patient and to retool his swing…good for him. And like you said- with his natural ability he should be able to hit for power quite easily if he doesn’t force it. But I will gladly take .300/90RBI/40 Doubles and 15 HR from him anyday.
Epinephrine
March 22nd, 2009
1:58 pm
1) What’s the deal with Escobar?
2) I’m glad to see Anderson bunting, but that wasn’t a good one, and against Johan, a bunt attempt absolutely cannot be directed back at the pitcher.
KC
March 22nd, 2009
2:01 pm
One thing I’d point out about Jurrjens…
JJ pitched 140+ innings several times at the minor league level. He pitched 188 last year. That innings jump is not a big deal. Most every starter has to make a 40+ inning jump at some point in their career, whether at the minor league or ML level. But here’s my point…
Whenever a player does have to stretch out and pitch more innings than they’re accustomed to, it’s almost certain that he’ll hit a wall at some point.
Through 150 innings, Jurrjens ERA was (if memory serves me correctly) 3.12.
Over the final 38 innings, he added a half a run to his ERA. While a 3.68 ERA is very good, particularly for a rookie, what he did before he hit “the wall” is even more impressive.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
2:01 pm
Brandon, yes, i thought that play was so heads-up, so smart.
No word on why Escobar is out. Might not be able to find out until i get into the clubhouse.
Other pitchers on the trip: Manny Acosta, Boone Logan and Eric O’Flaherty and assorted minor league guys.
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
2:03 pm
Manny Acosta needs a good outing BIG TIME.
RHR
March 22nd, 2009
2:04 pm
Thanks for the new blog, Carroll. Go Braves!
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
2:04 pm
that’s no hits off santana in four innings, only the two walks.
Jeff321
March 22nd, 2009
2:06 pm
>You know jeff321, your constant berating of Francoeur makes you appear childish. Perhaps you are a child?
Bravesgal – Thanks for letting me know it bothers ya! Now, I’ll ramp it up.
Rodney Derrick
March 22nd, 2009
2:08 pm
Carroll– In view of your crush on Ron Darling, is it a factor that he has an Ivy League education and you have a degree from the southern Ivy League’s Duke? Another interesting Ivy League baseball retiree is Doug Glanville who periodically writes terrific columns in the NY Times. Also since Darling has a deal with Time-Warner and often announces Sunday games and playoff games on Time Warner with Chip Caray and their other announcers, perhaps you could arrange with the Atlanta TBS folks to do analysis on some of these games.
AdirondackDave
March 22nd, 2009
2:10 pm
Score? Lines for the pitchers? Anybody..
18 Wheels of Love
March 22nd, 2009
2:10 pm
Anyone see Ron Darling in Shallow Hal??
AdirondackDave
March 22nd, 2009
2:13 pm
Did they call this game on account of boredom?
18 Wheels of Love
March 22nd, 2009
2:14 pm
end of 4 0-0
brian
March 22nd, 2009
2:14 pm
Carroll – you have misplaced reason to praise Barnes. I like Barnes as well but pushing Dean Smith is not a classy move – Rick has even said as much noting how much he regretted the incident, that he has matured a lot since then, etc. Then again, since Dukies praised Collins for pushing Doherty when he was the UNC Head Coach it does not surprise me. Can you imagine the outcry from the Blue Devil nation if someone pushed coach K?
Do you also praise Robin Ventura for “standing up” to Nolan Ryan?
And no I am not a UNC grad but a grad of another ACC school.
JerseyGil
March 22nd, 2009
2:14 pm
CR…Did you think the Braves going after Mike Moustakas 3b from the Royal, KC already has Alex Gordon & Mark teahan in third.Look that team need some Pen help.
Rob
March 22nd, 2009
2:15 pm
I thought Boyer was a lock for this team
Epinephrine
March 22nd, 2009
2:17 pm
JJ having trouble locating, but getting through it anyway. I like what I’ve seen from him in his last two outings.
Jeff321
March 22nd, 2009
2:17 pm
Diaz hits a jack.
brian
March 22nd, 2009
2:17 pm
After Dean retired a few years later, Barnes’s daughter sent Dean a letter asking why he was retiring since he was still so good, etc? Dean had the class to respond to Barnes’s daughter and in that letter said nothing but praise for her dad. Dean never said a 4 letter word – didn’t have to. Dean Smith was the picture of class and deserves the respect he has earned (ask Bilas who he wanted to play for if he did not play for Duke)
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
2:17 pm
Finally a hit … way to go Diaz HR
Steve McP
March 22nd, 2009
2:18 pm
HR Diaz 1-0
vabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
2:18 pm
diaz goes yard
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
2:18 pm
I recall Dean calling out a Clemson player. i could hear him yelling “iturbe, iturbe” and that’s not cool, classy, mature, whatever. So i understood why Rick was irate and I don’t remember him pushing Dean, just confronting him. And part of this is just tongue-in-cheek, OK? Relax.
Diaz just went deep to left 1-0 Braves up on Santana now in the top of the fifth. Got it, Adirondack?
AdirondackDave
March 22nd, 2009
2:19 pm
Thanks Carroll, everybody.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:21 pm
I’m watching the game I can give updates. Salmons double….short hopped the wall
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
2:22 pm
MATTY DIAZ
Random
March 22nd, 2009
2:22 pm
Coach (10:53 am): “Um, Adam LaRoche was diagnosed with ADD back in high school. He is the one ML baseball player who has a reason to be on meds.”
Neither here nor there, Coach, given the current witch hunt hysteria.
PS: Btw, how did you enjoy your Eggs Benedict? Scrumptious, I presume.
Bubdylan
March 22nd, 2009
2:22 pm
Matthew Edward Diaz. I love that guy.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:23 pm
JJ strikes out…..Anderson lines out to center
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
2:23 pm
That’s seven strikeouts for Santana now with two outs in the fifth, just got Jurrjens.
And yes, Darling’s brains are a big part of the charm. Couldn’t remember which Ivy League school it was. Was thinking dartmouth, so I looked it up. If we trusts wikipedia, here’s some interesting stuff
Ron Darling
Born in Honolulu, Hawaii to a Hawaiian-Chinese mother and French-Canadian father, Darling is a fluent speaker of both Chinese and French. After growing up in Millbury, Massachusetts, he attended St John’s High School in Shrewsbury, Massachusetts and later Yale University, managing a dual major in French and Southeast Asian history. He was set to graduate in December 1982, but was drafted in June 1981.[1] Darling compiled the most prolific major league career of any Yale alumnus since 19th-century pitcher Bill Hutchison. Darling began his college career as a position player and did not pitch regularly until his sophomore season.[2]
AdirondackDave
March 22nd, 2009
2:23 pm
Clay — Thanks.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:23 pm
Bottom 5
Braves 1 Mets 0
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:24 pm
Do you guys want play by play or just updates here and there?
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:25 pm
Santana is done pitching for the day
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:26 pm
Jair looking really good today fellas
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
2:27 pm
Clay, as I am writing a paper on Sylvia Plath’s poem “Daddy”, play by play would be nice. thanks.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:28 pm
Jair just struck someone out….reyes pops out to short
His sinker is pretty darn good today..falling off the table
mbatl
March 22nd, 2009
2:29 pm
Geez, Diory has 6 errors in about 60 innings played. Tough to make an impression that way.
AdirondackDave
March 22nd, 2009
2:29 pm
Clay — play by play if that works for you. Thanks. Is Jurrjens still in there?
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:30 pm
Full count to Castillo….and he walks him
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
2:30 pm
Carrol whats the unofficial pitch count for Jurrjens?
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:30 pm
JJ is out…in comes Boone Logan
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
2:31 pm
I would just prefer a summary at the end of every half innings. Otherwise to many posts.
Jay212033
March 22nd, 2009
2:31 pm
What’s the score?
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:31 pm
Tomas not sure the pitch count but after the walk they just took him out….so i am guessing he just met it
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:32 pm
Jay-
Braves 1 Mets 0
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:33 pm
So at the end of the inning or per at bat? majority wins
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
2:33 pm
Tomas, don’t have it, sorry, since I’m down in the press room and not in the press box. but Jair is done now, so it’s moot. He hit his pitch count – which I’m guessing is about 75. Boone Logan is in with two outs in the fifth, JJ’s walk on first.
I appreciate your picking up the slack on updates.
garlick
March 22nd, 2009
2:34 pm
per at bat. that’s my vote.
Thanks Clay
Zachary
March 22nd, 2009
2:34 pm
per at bat
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:34 pm
No prob Carroll…im watching so I can give updates if you don’t mind
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
2:34 pm
Clay, at the end of the innings might be best for all. I appreciate the play by play tho.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
2:34 pm
Doc Holiday (11:19 am): ” You want the guy with the most experience out there to minimize the risk of making a dumb defensive play. JRo is very good at SS, but if you are looking for experience, Jeter is the man. We could argue about it all day. I think is not that bad a decision.”
So, eight year veteran, reigning World Series shortstop 29-year old Rollins must STILL defer in the field to 34-year old, lead-footed dinosaur Jeter??? Because of “experience”?!?!?
Gimme a break.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:35 pm
Full count…walks Murphy….now up Jeremy Reed
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
2:35 pm
Logan gets it to 93mph. It should have been a strike out on Murphy there.
AdirondackDave
March 22nd, 2009
2:35 pm
Per at bat. Oops, I voted the Chicago way… twice.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
2:35 pm
Braves wanna see how Boone Logan reacts coming in to face a lefty. He just walked Murphy. and then J
Random
March 22nd, 2009
2:36 pm
Coach (11:08 am): ”As far as the situation with Brandon Hicks, the heaver bat actually does make sense, and I’ll explain why.”
Thanks for the insights, Coach — I was sure that my confidence was not misplaced.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:36 pm
Boone is one tall dude…smokes a line drive to center…..drops in front of anderson
1-1
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
2:37 pm
sorry, this keyboard bites….then Logan just gives up an RBI hit to Jeremy Reed to tie it. First run charted to JJ in 11 straight innings against the Mets
Jeff321
March 22nd, 2009
2:37 pm
It looks to me like Boone Logan wants in the GIVE IT UP BOYS club. Ah, I’ll keep an eye on this guy to see if he’s worthy or not.
Bubdylan
March 22nd, 2009
2:37 pm
Will Ohman, anyone?
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:39 pm
Another walk..bases loaded
garlick
March 22nd, 2009
2:39 pm
sucks for JJ, that shouldn’t have been his run.
Keyman
March 22nd, 2009
2:39 pm
Coach, I don’t mind you reprinting my analysis, but would appreciate attribution. Thanks.
AdirondackDave
March 22nd, 2009
2:39 pm
We ought to vote on Ohman too.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:40 pm
base hit up the middle..3-1…anybody know Ohman’s number?
vabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
2:40 pm
Not a good outing by Logan just gave up 2 more. 3-1 mets
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
2:40 pm
Well Ohman is still a free agent.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
2:40 pm
well the bottom fell out for Boone. After a walk to Church he gave up a bases loaded, two-run single to Tatis. He’s yet to retire somebody.
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
2:41 pm
ohman would be great at just over a million. at this point, though, i really dont see it happening.
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
2:42 pm
This is why some people don’t even bother to come to the blog during the season. One bad outing and many are ready to throw someone to the curb.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:42 pm
Ground out to short….inning over….3-1 mets
AdirondackDave
March 22nd, 2009
2:42 pm
Could we just take up a collection for Ohman? I’ll start ‘er off with $50.
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
2:43 pm
Of course, the opposite is true, too. One good outing and the guy is going to the HOF.
Bubdylan
March 22nd, 2009
2:43 pm
First three letters in Boone spell Boo.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
2:43 pm
Keyman LOL!!! Well at least Coach knows how to use copy and paste!
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:43 pm
Boone’s problem was he fell behind every hitter. Could not locate the slider so they would just sit on the fastball which usually isn’t a good thing.
Bubdylan
March 22nd, 2009
2:44 pm
I’ll offer the proceeds off my Andruw rookie card to the Ohman collection. So, AdirondackDave, with your 50 bucks, we’re up to $49.00
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
2:44 pm
Logan seem to always be on full counts, in this outing. Has a nice breaking ball, good changeup, and a fastball that he can gt to 93mph. Needs to work on his control, but his stuff is pretty good.
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
2:44 pm
Ohman might be a good option, but im not ready to give up on the young guys just yet. Whats Ohman’s asking price? its got to be too high if he hasnt signed with anyone yet.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
2:45 pm
Just think if we didnt sign an outfielder like I said all offseason we could afford Ohman. Damn! I really wish I wasnt right all the time.
Chris G
March 22nd, 2009
2:45 pm
what was the final line on JJ?
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:46 pm
Now pitcher for the mets Dillon Gee
D. Hernandez batting-Grounds out to short
Kelly Johnson-Grounds out to 3rd
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
2:47 pm
Bad Bad Bad…our bats better get started now…frenchy still needs his bomb of the day.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:47 pm
Norton smokes a single to right
AdirondackDave
March 22nd, 2009
2:47 pm
Baseball’s scoring sometimes really doesn’t make sense. JJ had an excellent outing and statistically he gets charged with 3 ER, if I’m not mistaken.
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
2:47 pm
Doubt Ohman would fit here since we are trading relief pitching due to the surplus.
Ritchie from Scotland
March 22nd, 2009
2:47 pm
from the little I have seen of Logan and O’Flatherty both haven’t really given me alot of confidence. Will Ohman is still available isn’t he..
C's
March 22nd, 2009
2:47 pm
Ohman is asking for 1.75 with another 1 million in incentive.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:48 pm
Francoeur flies out to right…
Ritchie from Scotland
March 22nd, 2009
2:48 pm
Just realised you’ve been talking about Ohman anyway, great minds…and all that.
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
2:48 pm
What I would do with Ohman is sign him with a miner league contract than try to trade him for a 3B prospect.
northbeach Scott
March 22nd, 2009
2:49 pm
Listening to the game on 96.1 FM in Atlanta. Really like Jim Powell, so far. He’s articulate, knowledgable, and interesting. He has been interviewing Frank Wren in between innings about how the final roster decisions are made and who is involved as well as calling the game. Good stuff.
Also, really nice not to have to have to suffer through the redneck station 94.9 like the last two seasons. How embarrassing for the Braves and Atlanta to have that steaming pile representing this city. Hopefully, that also means the bearded hick boob that was the face of that station will be missing from the big board at the Ted, between innings–what a low-life moron.
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
2:49 pm
minor*
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:49 pm
Jair was only charged with one run. He walked a guy then they took him out. That run came around to score so only 1ER …not 3
C's
March 22nd, 2009
2:49 pm
Ohman wouldn’t take a MiL contract.
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
2:49 pm
4.2 inn. 4 hits, 1 ER, 2BB, 3k’s for our boy Jair!
vabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
2:49 pm
JJ is only charged with 1 ER because the last hitter he faced ended up scoring. JJ is not responsible for any hitters that end up scoring that he doesn’t face.
Chop Chop
March 22nd, 2009
2:50 pm
If the Braves lose this game, the season is lost.
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
2:50 pm
adrionick dave i thought logan came in with one runner one…either way, yeah…all the runners that were on when logan came out would be charged to jurjens. i agree with you…im not sure if that is fair.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:50 pm
Collina now catching….Conrad at 2nd….Freeman at 1st..Heyward in right
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
2:51 pm
How many days left until opening night?
mets fan in atlanta
March 22nd, 2009
2:51 pm
Jurrjens is only credited with 1 ER, cause he came out of the game with one of his runners on base. Boone Logan gave up the rest, they were all his runners, so the remaining two runs were credited to him.
Gorkys Miller
March 22nd, 2009
2:51 pm
carroll, what do you think about mark bowman saying he thinks bennett might get traded? any idea who has been inquiring about him?
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
2:51 pm
Well, he could take that contract the braves gave him earlier in the free agent saga if its still on the table.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
2:52 pm
PTBNL (12:40 pm): ”if you are talking about Adam’s ADD meds, then the Braves would not have touched Lowe either. Lowe takes the same stuff (he has ADD, too) and was instrumental in talking Adam into taking the meds.”
Yeah, them’s what I’m talkin’ about.
But your point is obscured by the time that has passed between the two transactions.
A feared (read: anticipated) crackdown on ADD meds that never occurred may have been assumed to now be unlikely. Or at leats, workable.
What I’m sayin’ is that that was then (Jan 07), and that this is now (Jan 09. Perhaps the PED hysteria has been judged to be in terminal ebb.
Who knows? Not I, for sure.
roman88
March 22nd, 2009
2:52 pm
ohman’s asking price was 1.75mil the padres were interested but wouldn’t go that high
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
2:52 pm
Brandon___I think its 14 days, just a rough guess
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:53 pm
Boone strikes the first guy out
Evans flies out to right
Kelly's Johnson
March 22nd, 2009
2:53 pm
Bobby and Chipper and others seem pretty confident in Boone Logan, and it looks like he will make the team. its good for him to learn here and get beat up in spring training so he’ll be better prepared for the reg. season!
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
2:53 pm
April 5th is when the Bravos have their first game…against the Phils..
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
2:53 pm
dan i doubt that would work. why wouldnt the team trading for ohman just sign him?
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:53 pm
I really don’t like Reyes…always laughing when he comes up too bat
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:54 pm
Boone looks to have solid stuff….just didn’t locate last inning..Reyes tries to bunt and pops out to the catcher
Frank from KS
March 22nd, 2009
2:55 pm
Kansas up early 13-7 against Dayton with 11:30 to go in the first half
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
2:55 pm
Never mind my idea…
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
2:55 pm
Clay – is Frenchy still in the game? What has he done at the plate today?
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
2:55 pm
Is he laughing now, Clay?
3/22/2009 Jair Jurrjens « The Statline Report
March 22nd, 2009
2:55 pm
[...] JJ vs. Johan on the mound[Dave O' Brien/AJC.com] [...]
Kelly's Johnson
March 22nd, 2009
2:56 pm
see, he came back and had a great inning
Random
March 22nd, 2009
2:56 pm
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Doc Holiday (11:19 am): ” You want the guy with the most experience out there to minimize the risk of making a dumb defensive play. JRo is very good at SS, but if you are looking for experience, Jeter is the man. We could argue about it all day. I think is not that bad a decision.”
So, eight year veteran, reigning World Series shortstop 29-year old Rollins must STILL defer in the field to 34-year old, lead-footed dinosaur Jeter??? Because of “experience”?!?!?
Gimme a break.
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C's
March 22nd, 2009
2:56 pm
Dan – I agree. Unfortunately the Braves pulled that offer after Ohman left it on the table for 2+ months and spent it on a LFer we don’t need.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:56 pm
Diaz tries to bunt..too bad he bunted to the first base side…1 out
Bubdylan
March 22nd, 2009
2:57 pm
If no Ohman, I vote we use a Gribtab-loogy this year. That’s a GoodRightyIsBetterThanAbad-Loogy specialist. Bobby won’t do it, though.
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
2:58 pm
random agreed on jeter. not that hes a bad player, but with rollins on the team, jeter should be relegated to pinch hitting and maybe DH. if it were me, i would DH dunn everygame and have victrino in the outfield instead. defense is important, and i think davey johnson is playing jeter so he wont hurt his feelings, because its definetly not to give the team the best chance to win.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
2:59 pm
Brandon-
Frenchy was replaced by Heyward after his last at bat last inning…He was 0-2 with a walk today.
PTBNL- Actually he is they just interviewed him..haha
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
2:59 pm
I hope Garret Anderson does well but I didn’t think we needed him. Matt Diaz didn’t get enough time to prove himself. Hopefully they’ll switch every 3 games.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:00 pm
Prado flies out to left and Colina flies out to center
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
3:01 pm
C’s, I agree. Wish we could redo that Anderson signing(quick repulse to Ken Griffey Jr) and sign Ohman. Even DOB would be happy with that…
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:01 pm
O ‘Flaherty now pitching
vabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
3:02 pm
Heyward is in for Jeff who went 0 for 2 with a walk for whoever asked
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:02 pm
Lead off double for Luis
VENEZUELA
March 22nd, 2009
3:02 pm
How long do we have to wait, until Carroll acknowledges EVERYBODY wants to TALK about WILL OHMAN and responds whats her take on the BRAVES being extremely cheap and are not willing to spend on a REAL loogy…
I cannot believe they want a championship caliber team, and are not ready to go forward and sign OHMAN.
FW really p..sss..ess me off with his approach towards the LOOGY situation, it is OBVIOUSSSSS we need Ohman, the braves do not want to spend 2 mill on ohman, but were willing to spend it on washout G Anderson, which no other team would have take, except the loosers of the mariners or pirates…
geeesshhhhh
The Goche
March 22nd, 2009
3:02 pm
I can’t understand why someone (Wren in particular, but really anyone) doesn’t just sign Ohman, I mean if Ohman is good again but our new guys are also good, we just trade Ohman or a new guy at the break.
you can always get something for a lefty at the break.
C's
March 22nd, 2009
3:03 pm
Yeah, I don’t HATE the GA signing. Just think it was unnecessary. I think a Diaz/Jones platoon could give us similar numbers at a cheaper cost. And we could have spent the money on Ohman.
VENEZUELA
March 22nd, 2009
3:03 pm
and B JONES would have done an identical job for min salary…
this is embarrasing
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
3:03 pm
Hmmm. Kinda surprised Andruw is going this route.
From MLB.com –
“We let Andruw know last week that he’s not in the mix as an everyday player,” Daniels said. “To his credit, he’s willing to play any role on the club we see fit or do what Ron sees fit.”
Jones is in camp on a Minor League contract, and the Rangers have no plans as yet to add him to their 25-man roster. Under those circumstances, he has until midnight ET on Monday to exercise an out clause in his contract and become a free agent.
“That’s unresolved, but he has indicated a desire to stay with us,” Daniels said.
Daniels said the Rangers did not ask Jones about the possibility of starting the season in the Minor Leagues.
If Jones makes the team, he would be the fifth outfielder behind David Murphy, Josh Hamilton, Nelson Cruz and Marlon Byrd. He could also get time as a right-handed DH in a platoon situation with Hank Blalock.
The Rangers would have to make room for Jones by moving Frank Catalanotto, either through a trade before the end of Spring Training or by releasing him. If so, they would still be obligated for the $6 million remaining on Catalanotto’s contract.
C's
March 22nd, 2009
3:03 pm
But what’s done, is done.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:04 pm
Murphy is a solid hitter…fists one thru the hole between the shortstop and 3rd baseman
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:05 pm
Base hit 4-1
Zachary
March 22nd, 2009
3:05 pm
Who cares what JJ’s ERA is in ST? Bobby knows how he pitched so it doesn’t matter that he got one run charged against him.
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
3:05 pm
Is score still 3-1 or did Murphy have an RBI single?
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
3:05 pm
Why would somebody trade a third base prospect for Ohman if they won’t sign him now?
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
3:05 pm
Ok nevermind
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:06 pm
wow…another base hit…bases loaded
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
3:06 pm
Now O’ Flaherty can’t get lefties.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
3:06 pm
four consecutive hits off Eric O’Flaherty. tough day for the lefties
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
3:06 pm
Cause he wants to much money…
vabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
3:06 pm
wow mets are lighting up O ‘Flaherty right now. Already given up one run and now bases loaded with no outs.
Brandon
March 22nd, 2009
3:08 pm
Oklahoma State leads PITT by 8 with 11:14 left in the first half, for all those interested.
vabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
3:08 pm
6-1 still no outs
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
3:08 pm
Dan, if he is traded, his contract would go with him… the money would be the same… plus the team trading for him would lose players in the trade.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:09 pm
ugly play…bloop hit to right..Heyward bobbles it throws home and the 1st baseman tries to cut it and goes off his glove….2 runs
6-1
VENEZUELA
March 22nd, 2009
3:10 pm
now our 2nd LOOGY is showing his stuff….double, single , single, single 3 rbi mets…no OUTSSSSSSS
I am sorry but this team will not COMPETE wihtout a solid LOOGY ! in a division were the big boppers are left handed … UTLEY, HOWARD, DELGADO, RAMIREZ, BELTRAN ( I know he is SH but hits much better LH) and heck…the best pitchers in the league are LHP (Santana Hamels et al..) and we dont even have a LHP sin the Starting Rotation for the exception of Glav, who is a 5 spot and throws 80 MPH…. we couldnt get a RH bat !!! to go after this guys ..
sorry it is a bigger task …lets think hopefully for 2010 with NO FW
Jeff321
March 22nd, 2009
3:10 pm
Are we suppose to believe these two lefty’s are going to get the job done? Sorry, without a lefty than can get outs.. We’ll be giving games away again.
Does anyone have a link to the Braves minor league salary list?
vabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
3:11 pm
9-1
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:11 pm
Bomb- 9-1
KC
March 22nd, 2009
3:11 pm
Days like this really do make me wish the Braves would see what Ohman’s willing to accept at this point. Of course, I guess everyone has a bad day here and there. But BOY has this been pathetic. 6 runs off O’Flaherty, and Logan didn’t look much better.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:12 pm
Another base hit….seriously Ohman’s number?
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
3:12 pm
HR….9-1
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
3:12 pm
Kansas has the lead 25-21 with 3:47 left in 1st half.
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
3:12 pm
Man O’flaherty is throwing batting practice.
Supes
March 22nd, 2009
3:12 pm
Regarding Andruw Jones…How the “mighty” have fallen? Will do everything it takes to be on an MLB roster, even as a SCRUB 5th OT and RH DH? That’s called holding on to the bottom strand folks. Some people just don’t know when to walk away and save some dignitiy in the process.
Will Andruw be remembered for this Gold Glove Defense, and 51HR season or how his career is about to end? Walk away “drew”, you should have plenty of money to live off (even with your CRIBBS lifestyle)…plus if you learn to speak proper ENGLISH, you even might get Brian Jordan’s gig on SportsSouth:)
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
3:13 pm
Better leave before the all crazy Muts guys come here….
Bobby's Cox
March 22nd, 2009
3:13 pm
Ohman threw a lot of pitches last season. Doesn’t bode well for relievers the next season after they throw a lot of innings. Maybe GM’s are concerned with his arm.
If the Braves can trade a few guys (pitchers) on the 40 man for a 3B prospect (2 or 3 minimum contracts for a minor league contract), wouldn’t that open up payroll to sign Ohman to a 1.5 mil deal or so?
Salamander
March 22nd, 2009
3:13 pm
To all the people who think not signing Ohman is a big deal given the need for quality lefties out of the pen – most relief pitchers’ performances have a tendency to fluctuate wildly from year-to-year (except a selected few who are mostly closers).
No one knows if Ohman is capable of duplicating last year’s numbers this season, and if he hypothetically doesn’t pitch well in 2009 (and Frank Wren signed him), half of the people on this blog would be up FW’s a– for paying too much for a bullpen piece.
Relax. Its ST still with plenty of time to make moves if Boone doesn’t work out.
Relax. Boone had a bad outing. We picked him up off the scrap heap and it is still ST with time to make moves. Why over pay Ohman in this economy? It makes no sense – especially given the number of innings on his arm from last year.
Jeff321
March 22nd, 2009
3:13 pm
I would like to take a moment and wrap a blanket of shame around Eric O’Flaherty! You’ve just become an honorary member of the much touted GIVE IT UP BOYS.
Doc Holiday
March 22nd, 2009
3:14 pm
I can smell some cuts as of tomorrow
mets fan in atlanta
March 22nd, 2009
3:14 pm
Haha, i’ve been here all game
Bubdylan
March 22nd, 2009
3:15 pm
Anders’ finger hovers over the left-click, he’s whispering “wait for it… wait for it…”
VENEZUELA
March 22nd, 2009
3:15 pm
ohhhh now OMIR SANTOS a seventy-something player..homersss Oh yes this guy O Flaherty is ready for a 8th inn situation against Howard…
LOL…this Lefty situation sucks….the same with us not having a solid HR threat or a REAL solid Right handed hitter
DOB or Carroll? whats your TAKE????????????????/
Salamander
March 22nd, 2009
3:15 pm
last paragraph of my previous post got screwed up, but the point is clear.
Dan
March 22nd, 2009
3:16 pm
Im just goin to shut up about Will Ohman now…I obiously have no clue what i’m talking about.
Bobby's Cox
March 22nd, 2009
3:16 pm
I’m saying that maybe that’s why Wren is looking to deal the excess pitching…to free up money for Ohman while trying to get a solid 3B prospect. Could kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Maybe not, but could be interested in Ohman still.
I’m not concerned with Logan or O’Flaherty’s performances today, but they haven’t had an outstanding spring. They seem shaky.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:16 pm
10-1…bout time to watch some hoops I think
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:16 pm
Pitching change
Epinephrine
March 22nd, 2009
3:17 pm
Well, not that O’Flaherty had a real shot at making the club in the first place, but there goes his prayer too.
I am also nervous about Boone Logan. I don’t like the numbers he has put up thus far, and I’m not sold on what he has shown this spring. Maybe that is a need we look for in a trade.
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
3:18 pm
Can’t they have a bad day once in a while? The lone run scored could be just as much a cause for concern as the pitching if you are going to panic (or praise) according to every pitch or swing or play. It’s a bad day. They have not executed as they have in the past. Logan will be fine most likely. (I have not yet seen what they see in the Irish wonder, but I am still willing to wait and see.)
Runnin
March 22nd, 2009
3:18 pm
Eric had some terrible luck in this inning. Those first hits were just dinky seeing eye grounders. He could’ve just as easily had a 3 up 3 down inning. What a crazy game.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
3:18 pm
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N Nine (12:28 am): “noticed nobody talking about Glavine after the game. Lets see Glavine’s 78-82MPH or Hanson.”
Anybody else think that if Smoltz had re-signed with the Braves, Glavine would’ve either retired or sought his fortunes elsewhere?
Given that Smoltz is at least a month or two farther along in his rehab than Glavine, who here thinks he would not have been ready to roll on 17 Apr? (Regardless of the Sox’ own plans to reserve him until this summer.)
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Keyman
March 22nd, 2009
3:18 pm
Only listening, not watching… but seems to me that Bobby is leaving O’F in there long enough to prove he’s not ready. He’s getting POUNDED and normally Bobby would make a change. (well, as I write, he finally does, after 7 runs). I can’t see leaving someone on the A List out there to get pounded like we did with O’Flaherty today.
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
3:18 pm
Why over pay Ohman in this economy? It makes no sense – especially given the number of innings on his arm from last year.Salamander
What you talking about? 2MM for a veteran southpaw is a great deal. He would not be counted on as much as last season with the current pitching depth.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:19 pm
2 run double…12-1
vabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
3:19 pm
12-1
KC
March 22nd, 2009
3:19 pm
Spring training or no, this is sickening.
Frenchy's Faux-Beard
March 22nd, 2009
3:20 pm
o’flaherty, we barely knew thee…
steve_97060
March 22nd, 2009
3:20 pm
Salamander, you make too much sense for some of these live and die on every spring training pitch amateur GM’s…
Epinephrine
March 22nd, 2009
3:22 pm
Random, you are getting you history wrong. You are forgetting the fact that we signed Lowe and Kawakami after the Smoltz departure. I doubt we would have picked up both if we hadn’t lost JS.
vabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
3:22 pm
Inning finally over 12-1 top of 8
winterville
March 22nd, 2009
3:22 pm
O’Flaherty had a 1.59 ERA coming into today and Logan had a 1.80. They had one bad outing on day when Carroll said everyone was tired. They woke up early and left early after not having many days off. Lay off for a minute. They have pitched well all spring and the Mets were due for a breakout anyway. Don’t be so irrational. IT’S ONE GAME. IT’S SPRING TRAINING.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
3:22 pm
2MM for a veteran southpaw is a great deal.
I don’t disagree but it makes you wonder why nobody else has signed Ohman yet…
mbatl
March 22nd, 2009
3:22 pm
You’re gonna pay ANY pitcher a minimum of $400K – so if Ohman wants $1.5 mil, it’s basically a $1.1 mil investment. Really hard to see how it wouldn’t make sense. Maybe money is really that tight though.
VENEZUELA
March 22nd, 2009
3:23 pm
Oh 11 RUNSSSS our Super leftys have given up today against a MEts B-Squad already….LOL I want this team to WIN!!
But heck, they are OK no need for concern !!! Bobby and FW are doing their best…
hey we were all OVER Ridgway, he has just come back up in competition for the LOOGY job LOL our LOOGYS are the worst in the league…
AND IT IS for CONCERN, specially with how or DIVISION shapes up with that many LH HR hitters
Frenchy's Faux-Beard
March 22nd, 2009
3:23 pm
more than a veteran southpaw, ohman was a veteran comedian. i remember one day near the end of the season, they were making fun of mike hampton for being short and ohman quipped something to the effect of, “oh that’s okay, he can just stand on top of his money.” the camera cut to hampton silently shaking his head, and chipper and greg norton were cracking up. histerical.
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
3:24 pm
if i was making this team, and had will ohman, i might still keep another lefty. ohman doesnt have to be relegated to loogy duty. gonzalez, soriano, moylan, ohman, logan, boyer, bennett. very nice bullpen, youve just gotta spend another couple of mil.
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
3:25 pm
Random___
Looking back at end of last season, the theory was we get a few pitchers and STILL sign both at a reasonable cost. That turned out way wrong. Yes, there is NO way Glavine would be signed if we had Smoltz. Wren’s spending ways prove that Smoltz &Glavine were on the back burner all along…
Bubdylan
March 22nd, 2009
3:25 pm
Yuck.
northbeach Scott
March 22nd, 2009
3:26 pm
FFB, I think it was “Hampton could stand on his wallet.” Regardless, hiliarious comment by Ohman.
Gorkys Miller
March 22nd, 2009
3:26 pm
how about instead of a LOOGY we use a left hander who can get more than one out? i hate that term…
Frankie Knuckles
March 22nd, 2009
3:28 pm
Not sickening at all – its good for the boys to come to earth a little in spring. Just saying.
Gorkys Miller
March 22nd, 2009
3:29 pm
northbeach, you saw that too? i think it was on sports south or one of those, during a rain delay, was it? or was it just from the Braves Live Pregame show? btw, i love that show, katie what’s-her-face is a cougar.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
3:30 pm
Ohman was also the one that dubbed Hampton “Lord Farquaad” which may be one of my favorite nicknames ever
Bobby's Cox
March 22nd, 2009
3:30 pm
Pitt has not been playing like a #1 in their 1st 2 games. Glad i changed my final 4 to include villanova instead of Pitt. Hope they lose today.
Bracket’s looking good. Had west vriginia in the sweet 16. Their 1st round exit wouldn’t have hurt so bad if I hadn’t had made the dumb move to pick N. Dakota St. over Kansas in the 1st round. What was I thinking? Anyway, i know DOB is a Kansas fan, but if Dayton pulls the upset, i’ll be looking pretty going forward.
Thought I’d change the subject on the 1st embarrassing spring loss for los bravos.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
3:32 pm
I did find out nothing’s wrong with Escobar. Just a short day for him because of all the work he’s gotten. ….Hard to say what a day like today will mean for the lefties. It’s not a good sign to say the least. I would like to see the base hit given up to Tatis by Logan again. My first impression was it was a groundball that if Escobar is in there, he probably fields and the inning is over. But the walks were what set him back anyway.
Chop Chop
March 22nd, 2009
3:33 pm
Okie St. will cool off in the second half. When you realize that the Pokes are shooting 64% and only leading by Pitt by three (okay, by one), that’s not a good sign.
mets fan in atlanta
March 22nd, 2009
3:34 pm
Only one has mentioned so far, but the Braves “A” lineup today mashed exactly one run. Yep, when the real teams come in, the Braves will be awesome. And before someone says something about Chipper and McCann, remember that this will be the type of lineup you have on a random Thursday or Sunday day game, because neither of those guys will be in there.
Korea
March 22nd, 2009
3:34 pm
VENEZUELA, shut up already, ‘fore I trounce you again.
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
3:35 pm
cabravesfan
I think his asking price just went down recently. Good point how nobody got him on a 25-man roster. Plus he’s a funny dude I. Never forget that lineup call….
Gonzo the Clown
March 22nd, 2009
3:35 pm
i don’t know, can we really say this is embarassing for the braves, or is it just the end of o’flaherty’s story? jj looked pretty good for sure, logan limited the damage after struggling, another homer for diaz. could be worse, all i’m saying.
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
3:35 pm
gorkyshow about instead of a LOOGY we use a left hander who can get more than one out?
thats why ohman is so great. hes just a good pitcher, no matter what side of the plate you stand on.
Dave's Leather Jacket
March 22nd, 2009
3:37 pm
mets fan, you’re just bitter because your team has blown it the past couple of seasons. you had your chance, now your time is over.
northbeach Scott
March 22nd, 2009
3:37 pm
Katie Temple while nice (thought a Cougar had to be >40yrs, no?), gotta dig Erin Andrews. I lived in Tampa when she got her start doing the remote interviews for the NHL Tampa Bay Lightning, and then moved to the Braves the next year. She’s not a good journalist, but who cares. She was in the visitor’s dugout for a couple of games last year and my seats look into to the photographer’s area. Nice in person, as well.
I digress . . . now baseball . . . oh yeah, we are being slaughtered 12-1 going to the top of the 9th. A return of the favor the Braves bestowed on the scumbag Mets, yesterday.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
3:39 pm
N Nine
I imagine his asking price has tumbled lately…seems like the braves aren’t the only ones willing ot wait it out with him
He is a funny guy and I like him a lot (both his pitching ability and his sense of humor)- would like to have him back but there is no need to overpay
Mekons
March 22nd, 2009
3:40 pm
If these guys can’t hack it, why not just go with JoJo? Not a LOOGY, but as a regular arm.
Harrison Dangler
March 22nd, 2009
3:40 pm
DLJ, I think the Met’s have blown more than that, Mike Piazza . . . sorry about that.
mets fan in atlanta
March 22nd, 2009
3:42 pm
No i’m not bitter, at least we had a chance on the last day of the season, beats being out of it by August. But its cool…this year you’ll be able to get some ABs for Freeman and Heyward possibly if they tear it up in AA ball. Those no-pressure games in August and September are great for the prospects to get their feet wet.
Todo
March 22nd, 2009
3:45 pm
In other news, Kelly Johnson is 0-3 with 2 K’s today. Now batting an abysmal .244 this spring and showing no signs of being more “consistent” than he was his last 2 seasons.
The roller coaster continues as we contemplate trading steady swinging Martin Prado and continue to find right handed bats to squeeze into the lineup.
Epinephrine
March 22nd, 2009
3:45 pm
The Braves “A line up”? That’s hilarious. Apart from our three best hitters-Garrett Anderson, Brian McCann, and Chipper Jones-and our starting first baseman Casey Kotchman, the rest of the guys might be starters (though I think Schafer will beat out Anderson). So anyway, we are missing 5/8ths of our lineup, but you characterize it as our “A line up”? Interesting point. Care to drop any more wisdom on us?
As for the Chipper/McCann injury/benching argument-sure we will miss them a couple of games a year, but so what? We can expect both of them to play in the lion’s share of games, and especially those against Santana and the Mets.
Not to mention that our decidedly B lineup outperformed the Mets starters, and their Ace, by a score of 1-0. The blowout came against a guy that won’t even make the team.
Epinephrine
March 22nd, 2009
3:47 pm
Todo, I’m with you in starting to get concerned about KJ, but I don’t think you can hold his performance against an absolutely filthy Johan Santana against him. I don’t hold anyone’s numbers against Johan against them.
KJ needs to start getting in a groove before we move north.
brian
March 22nd, 2009
3:49 pm
calling out another player is in the bush league category but before you slam UNC remember that was the big deal when Doherty coached the heels. The duke coaching staff was talking to and calling out McCants. And yes, Rick Barnes did push Dean Smith. He gets asked about it at every interview.
Tongue in cheek or not, I would not make light of a physcial confrontation on the coach, especially with a legend. Just like Thursday night when some non-carolina grad but UNC fan shouted at Coach K from less than 1 feet away “you suck” as coach K was entering the court. He thought he was funny and laughed it off but all it showed is a lack of class
VENEZUELA
March 22nd, 2009
3:49 pm
KOREA…C’mon you shut up, you guys were lucky we didnt send SANTANA over there for the SP job or even FELIX HERNANDEZ, if it wasnt for our lousy yankee Manager Luis Sojo, who gave the nod to Carlos “6.00 ERA” Silva …pleaseee you guys were just lucky last night…
mets fan in atlanta
March 22nd, 2009
3:51 pm
Then again, maybe not for those two, they don’t look like they’re quite ready for major league pitching yet, unless it’s other Braves throwing to them. Sean Green is a major leaguer, not the same caliber of guy they’ve been facing in the late innings.
mbatl
March 22nd, 2009
3:53 pm
Todo, if you believe KJ is gonna hit .244 this year, then you should believe that Matt Diaz is gonna hit .405. I’d take both, but doubt that either is going to happen.
Chop Chop
March 22nd, 2009
3:53 pm
Mets lose to Braves. Mets fan blames the scrubs that were in the lineup.
Braves lose to Mets. Braves fan claims that the team was winning the game when it actually mattered.
The lesson: It’s spring training. Who gives a ****?
semiballcoach
March 22nd, 2009
3:53 pm
cut o’flaherty and boone and bring back ohman—forget the surplus
Korea
March 22nd, 2009
3:53 pm
“you guys were just lucky last night…” -VENEZUELA
Seriously? I haven’t used that excuse since I was twelve. Oooooh, we were LUCKY. I see. Oh, that, and the manager used the wrong horses. Congrats. The two stalest excuses for losing your ass in a ballgame, all in one post.
Clay
March 22nd, 2009
3:54 pm
Ven- Lucky? They dominated your team…
Korea
March 22nd, 2009
3:54 pm
p.s. VENEZUELA, you forgot “the sun was in my eyes…”
KC
March 22nd, 2009
3:54 pm
Safe to say, I think, that G.Anderson will NOT be the everyday left-fielder. Matt Diaz is certainly showing that he deserves plenty of playing time.
He’s only hitting .405 with 2 homers, 4 doubles, and team-leading (tied) 12 RBI in 42 at-bats. Slugging in the high .600’s right now.
I think we can look for .300+, 15-20 HR and 85-90 RBI from left field this year. Not bad at all. If you get that from Left, and trade the ‘08 model of Jeff Francoeur for the ‘07 version (or better)… that’s a BIG upgrade to that outfield offense.
mets fan in atlanta
March 22nd, 2009
3:54 pm
Which one won’t be with the Braves in April? Boone Logan or Eric O’Flaherty? I guarantee you at least one will (otherwise the braves will have a lefty-less bullpen–not likely), so the mets will be licking their chops when one of them goes to the mound.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
3:56 pm
DAP (2:58 pm): “if it were me, i would DH dunn everygame and have victrino in the outfield instead.”
Me, too. Like you said, defense is just as important as offense. DHing Dunn allows you to avoid at least one sacrifice of one for the other.
Jay212033
March 22nd, 2009
3:59 pm
Why is anyone even responding to that so-called Mets fan?!?!
Korea
March 22nd, 2009
3:59 pm
“so the mets will be licking their chops when one of them goes to the mound.” -Troll Met in Georgia
Careful with that licking. Might get choked.
Todo
March 22nd, 2009
4:02 pm
Ya, Epinephrine. I’m not holding today’s performance against him, just his steady decline from .340 to .240. Just seems more like the same trend, that’s all. I like KJ, but like MP too. Just seems like their equals, but the potential of Johnson that hasn’t yet to shake out has given Prado the bad shake. He’s done everything the braves have asked him to do. Learned 1st, 3rd, LF, and continues to hit. Even added some pop that hasn’t yet translated in games. I like how fans are fans of KJ. I am too. But I look at performance related to expectations, and I like Prado and want him on the team, maybe even more since we have so many left handed bats and Chipper Jones. That article from AJC yesterday upset me, as a fan, especially when it’s looking to be more of the same from KJ. I know it’s only spring, but c’mon KJ. Most of his hits came early in spring against weaker competition.
KC
March 22nd, 2009
4:07 pm
Jim Powell mentioned today on radio that he likes the Braves team a little more than the Mets. He feels the Braves pitching is better and, overall, a little better than the Mets. He also commented that their lineup does have a few excellent hitters, but isn’t stacked throughout the lineup.
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
4:08 pm
I’m sure Kelly’s Big Johnson is not too worried.
Chop Chop
March 22nd, 2009
4:09 pm
KC,
Good to see that Jim Powell knows who is paying him.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
4:12 pm
N Nine (3:25 pm): “Looking back at end of last season, the theory was we get a few pitchers and STILL sign both at a reasonable cost. That turned out way wrong. Yes, there is NO way Glavine would be signed if we had Smoltz. Wren’s spending ways prove that Smoltz &Glavine were on the back burner all along…”
Agreed.
Wren thought he had both Smoltz and Glavine in his back pocket and set out to acquire two additional quality (ie, ML proven) SPs (and a slugging OF).
He fell into Vazquez going after Logan, That was one. (And of course, before and after the trade for Vazquez, he was trying to finalize the trade for Peavy.)
Then the Peavy trade fell through.
So Wren initated negotiations with Kawakami, and as an afterthought, Lowe.
Then Smoltz signed with the Sox.
So Wren consummated the deals for both Kawakami and Lowe, ’cause admit it or not, he really was counting on having Smoltz this season.
Doc Holiday
March 22nd, 2009
4:12 pm
DAP,
I wouldnt pick Bennett over Campillo.
mbatl
March 22nd, 2009
4:14 pm
Mets’ lineup looks pretty good to me. Assuming Delgado doesn’t “age” too quickly (I was hoping he was done last May, but he damn near won an MVP), and that Murphy keeps hitting (he’s been pretty good so far), their offense is very good.
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
4:16 pm
O’Flahery woke up today with a 1.59 era with a solid grip on a spot to 14.21 and in limbo..rough day
At least we can take in whats important, JJ looking like JJ. all is well, good day everyone
Doc Holiday
March 22nd, 2009
4:16 pm
Truth is Venezuela is out. Managers are part of the team. If you cant find a good manager, you dont deserve to win. Period.
winterville
March 22nd, 2009
4:16 pm
The Marlins no hit the Tigers today.
mbatl
March 22nd, 2009
4:18 pm
Just a prediction, not a guarantee: O’Flaherty is sent to minor league camp, or traded, or just plain killed, by the end of the week. You just don’t leave a guy in to take 9 runs on 9 hits in less than an inning if you plan to keep him around.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
4:18 pm
Jeff321 (2:37 pm): “It looks to me like Boone Logan wants in the GIVE IT UP BOYS club. Ah, I’ll keep an eye on this guy to see if he’s worthy or not.”
You do that, you darlin’ li’l Make-It-Up-Boy.
In the meantime, we’ll keep our eye on you and your fabrications.
Cheers.
nolie
March 22nd, 2009
4:19 pm
thats why ohman is so great. hes just a good pitcher, no matter what side of the plate you stand on. DAP
all this discussion is about Ohman right? the guys has a .756 OPS against righties so I really fail to see how he is so special from both sides. He also is just as likely to be mediocre this year as he is to be great. He had his chance and turned down a very nice offer last summer too. Venezuela is way overreacting about him.But yeah i know the board experts are right and all 30 GMs are ignorant.
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
4:19 pm
Bobby’s take on the bullpen today…
“Our bullpen had a rough day,” Cox said. “We haven’t had many rough days. We finally had one. you attribute it to a rough day, that’s all. Don’t know how else to explain it.”
And speaking to Logan and O’Flaherty in particular. “Both of them have been good. I think they’re still good. It’s just one of those days you close your eyes on it and move forward to the next outing.”
There are two weeks to go. The Braves have time to see if this was really a one-time thing or a trend, and leverage to make a deal if they need to. I’m sure how things pan out with Glavine will also determine if they could go and sign a lefty like Ohman. They’ve got to start paying Glavine his incentives, less money to spend. Just my take.
VENEZUELA
March 22nd, 2009
4:19 pm
KOREA we made 5 ERRORS record for a WBC…c’mon we didnt play how we are usually playing baseball…that was not the best show last night…
anyways you won…lucky or not you guys are going to the finals…we are not…hope for another lucky buck…if Bong is pitching..LOL…he has done well so far…but is far away from being a Johan Santana or a Carlos Zambrano (BTW both didnt pitch in this WBC)
KC
March 22nd, 2009
4:20 pm
Actually, I think the Mets lineup could stacked. It’ll depend on what they get from Daniel Murhpy and Ryan Church. If Church has a good year, and Murphy establishes himself as a quality big league hitter, they could have an excellent lineup. In any event, it’s certainly a quality lineup.
Moby Grape
March 22nd, 2009
4:22 pm
(thought a Cougar had to be >40yrs, no?)
and has to chase younger men. Do we know that Katie does such regularly? If so, invite her uo to Ohio Steve.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
4:24 pm
PTBNL 2:42 pm(): “This is why some people don’t even bother to come to the blog during the season. One bad outing and many are ready to throw someone to the curb.”
Only AFTER they’ve stabbed him in the back, put their cigs out in his eyes and kicked him in the kidneys for good measure.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
KC
March 22nd, 2009
4:25 pm
Chop Chop, yeah… I figured that would be the take some would have on his comments. Personally, I don’t think he would have said it if he didn’t mean it. There are plenty of ways to be complimentary of your team without making a statement like the one he made. I’m sure all the regular Mets fans here, and a number of the Braves fans, will disagree. But I don’t doubt his sincerity.
KC
March 22nd, 2009
4:30 pm
For the record, I think the Braves, Mets, and Phillies are all right there in the same category. I don’t think there’s much that separates them on paper.
I think the Phillies have decent pitching (assuming Hamels is healthy) and a great offense.
The Mets have good pitching and a very good offense.
The Braves have very good pitching and a solid offense.
Each team has varying strengths and weaknesses, but it all pretty much washes out in the end for me, on paper. It’ll just come down to which team performs better and catches the breaks, especially where healthy is concerned.
When I look at the Braves, Mets, and Phillies… I think any one of these teams could finish 1st in the east, and any one of them could finish 3rd. Even in a tough division though, I think all three teams will finish at least in the neighborhood of 90 wins.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
4:31 pm
So I turn on the Dodgers/ Rangers game, mainly to see if Andruw is playing (he doesn’t appear to be) and Vin Scully’s voice comes floating out of my TV…let’s just say the way some of you feel about Skip is the way I feel about Vin- one of the last truly great voices in baseball. Pretty much made my day (and I hate the dodgers)
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
4:31 pm
oh and the reason for taking Jurrjens out at the point was a combination of him getting close to his pitch count (he threw 68 pitches – 42 for strikes – and his max was 77) as well as wanting to see how Logan would do in the lefty-lefty matchup. As we go, games are going to be played more like real games.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
4:31 pm
AdirondackDave (2:47 pm): ”Baseball’s scoring sometimes really doesn’t make sense. JJ had an excellent outing and statistically he gets charged with 3 ER, if I’m not mistaken.”
You are.
Mistaken, that is.
1 ER to JJ, 2 ER to Logan.
Happy, Pappy?
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
4:32 pm
Random last I heard Smoltz aint pitching til at least June. His rehab is going to take longer considering his arm is held on by 5 screws and who knows when it will fall off.
Jake W.
March 22nd, 2009
4:36 pm
Mets fan you are so funny. At least you had a chance on the last day of the season. You should have had more than a chance. You should have had a playoff spot locked up, but I know saying you played a meaningful game on the last day of the season makes you feel good even though you finished with the same fate as the Braves and didn’t make the playoffs.
And yes having those last two months off was great. We were able to start early thinking about next season and what changes we needed to make while you had to start later. And not playing in no pressure games doesn’t mean your’re neccissarily bad. I mean the Cubs had a no pressure series against you guys when you had games on the line and of course you guys lost. Maybe if you had no pressure games you could actually win in september, but no down the stretch you guys stink it up and wilt under the pressure.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
4:36 pm
Dan (2:48 pm): “What I would do with Ohman is sign him with a miner league contract than try to trade him for a 3B prospect.”
Yeah, well, what else would we expect from an FN genius like you?
Kenny Powers
March 22nd, 2009
4:38 pm
Kenny Powers feels that given the fact that the Braves have owned the Mets for as long as Kenny can remember no Mets fan should be allowed to talk smack on a Braves blog. Even when the Braves are bad the mutts dont stand a chance.
Andy K.
March 22nd, 2009
4:39 pm
Carroll, thanks, and yes, I owe you one.
Chop Chop
March 22nd, 2009
4:39 pm
Andruw Jones has opted to stay with the Rangers.
That’s a smart move on his part. If he feels confident with the help he’s getting, why go somewhere else and lapse into bad habits?
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
4:40 pm
Can we say OVER REACTION!!! Damn people, it is only one game. Before this game you all were saying how great Logan and O’Flaraty have been. Now we are doomed. Thats the problem with Atlanta fans. They over react way too much. Compare them to fans from another city such as St. Louis and you would all look like uneducated fools.
kirkinga
March 22nd, 2009
4:42 pm
I say resign Ohman and do it now. I felt that he should be resigned even before today’s brutal meltdown against a division opponent playing at half strength.
I think some here have really short memories. They seem to have forgotten what it was like pre Ron Mahay. They forget what a revelation Ohman was until he finally ran out of gas.We need another reliable lefty reliever, we aren’t going to contend in this division without such a guy.
Ohman reportedly is down to looking for $1.5 million/year+incentives. I think that would be a worthy investment for the Braves.
Then again, there is some reason why he remains unsigned, I think it’s economic, but it could be something else we’re not being told yet. Unless it is something that would hurt and disgrace his family or the team, then I say make the investment.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
4:43 pm
Man, Randy Wolf is looking very sharp for the Dodgers…6 K’s through 3 perfect innings
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
4:43 pm
I’m not sure what’s worse about Dan’s post…tho spelling or the logic
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
4:44 pm
sighhhh…..*the*
I really suck today
Jake W.
March 22nd, 2009
4:46 pm
The two lefties had been doing good. This is just one of those games that everybody has. I mean if it becomes a trend then we should be worried. And as for Ohman the Braves made him an offer and he probably should have took that one. He waited and not that it was bad but you take the risk sometimes when you wait. He was great for the Braves last year but there is no gurantee he will be that way this year.
Dennis
March 22nd, 2009
4:49 pm
A few comments back someone mentioned Vin Scully. In 1991 I was working in Korea and on a Saturday morning I woke up to listen on Armed Forces Radio to the Braves and Dodgers play (Friday night with the 14 hour time difference). Scully spent the entire game (which the Braves won) talking about the futility of the Braves franchise and how really and truly awful the team was. Needless to say the 91 team went on to become the “Worst to First” Braves and had a remarkable run while the Dodgers went into decline. I can never hear Vin Scully or see mention of him without thinking of that particular time in my life. I have never liked the Dodgers and Scully, though a great voice, was a homer to the nth degree and I have disliked him with a passion since that day.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
4:49 pm
northbeach Scott (2:49 pm): “Also, really nice not to have to have to suffer through the redneck station 94.9 like the last two seasons. How embarrassing for the Braves and Atlanta to have that steaming pile representing this city.”
Yeah, well I’d ask that you please take a sec and shed a tear for us few enlightened ones that must listen to the games on 640 AM WGST — WGST “Where the Right is never wrong.”
Immediately after the last out today, we were launched into the middle of the “best” of Limabugh.
Enough to make anyone edgy.
BlawgDawg
March 22nd, 2009
4:50 pm
I’m not sure which is sadder, Mutt fans coming to a Braves blog trolling for reactions (which is why they are referred to as Trolls) or Mutt fans trying to act like the last two Septembers weren’t really the two worst choke jobs in MLB history.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
4:53 pm
So Wren consummated the deals for both Kawakami and Lowe, ’cause admit it or not, he really was counting on having Smoltz this season.
Random
Huh? Couldnt he just as easily been planning on signing these guys and if Smoltz wanted to play for us then fine. I dont think it was really a big deal to Wren if he resigned with us. I mean how hard will be to replace 28 innings?
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
4:56 pm
Dennis
That is a shame about Vin Scully becasue he is actually one of the most fair broadcasters I have ever heard (he is actually similcasting the game today for BOTH the Rangers and Dodgers as we speak)- he just spent the last half inning raving about a great defensive play the Rangers made an inning earlier- but he is certainly not shy about calling out a bad team or bad player/play. When you’ve been doing this as long as he has there is no reason to hold back:)
Frank from KS
March 22nd, 2009
5:00 pm
northbeachScott re: of your 3:37 p.m. post
Oh definately gotta dig Erin Andrews. I read somewhere some time ago…that she and John Kruk were dating.
How in the world a guy like him could land a hottie such as her is news to me.
Trav
March 22nd, 2009
5:00 pm
Ewww Rush Limbaugh
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
5:01 pm
eric in MO re: year 4:40…spreaking of overreacting….
random rush is a very talented broadcaster. listen and learn.
Random's dinner mashers
March 22nd, 2009
5:01 pm
I’m sure you noticed politics aren’t allowed on this blog. Keep it up and I’ll revoke your license to spew diarrhea.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
5:02 pm
The Braves have very good pitching and a solid offense.
I saw this and scratched my head. When did the Braves get a solid offense. Last I checked we have no power, no speed, and we strikeout alot. Not a good recipe for a solid offense. Then I realized KC wrote it. By the way you forgot the Marlins.
kirkinga
March 22nd, 2009
5:03 pm
Was there anyone who did not see resigning Ohman as a priority for the Braves? I can’t think of anyone who said “no don’t resign him”. Now, suddenly, after less than 7 innings, we have people convinced that Ohman is easily replaceable?
What Ohman did last season, and what Mahay did before him, is not easily replaceable, especially by untested players. That’s the problem with these guys, they haven’t come up in tight situations in real games and gotten the job done.
No matter how you spin it, the guys we have now are largely untested, we have no idea how they will perform once the pressure is on. With Ohman we already know what he can do.
Bringing back Ohman means one less question we’ll have once the season starts.
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
5:04 pm
random also, if wren was counting on smoltz as much as you think he was, why didnt he just pony up another couple of mil, rather than signing two pitchers who both cost WAY more than the most smoltz counld possibly make? not that wren wasnt hoping to bring smoltz back, but i dont think he was over emphasising that.
Chop Chop
March 22nd, 2009
5:09 pm
No reason to bring Ohman back. The Braves can win the Grapefruit League without him.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
5:13 pm
DAP (2:50 pm): “adrionick dave i thought logan came in with one runner one…either way, yeah…all the runners that were on when logan came out would be charged to jurjens. i agree with you…im not sure if that is fair.”
“Fair”???
““FAIR”?????
WHO allowed those baserunners on base in the first place??????? Jurrjens, right???????
And who decided that somebody else besides Jurrjens had a better chance to get out of the inning with no damage????????
You? Me? Jurrjems???????
No — Bobby Cox.
Bobby Cox, who knows more than you, me, and Jurrjens put together times three.
If Logan couldn’t've kept that run from scoring, no way Jurrjens could’ve (at leat in Cox’ estimation – and I am not inclined to argue).
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
5:15 pm
eric in MO Last I checked we have no power, no speed, and we strikeout alot.
no power? cant be sure of that yet. chipper, mccann, and frenchy can all hit 30 HR. (not that it will certinly happen, but its possible) kotchman, yunel, johnson, anderson are all capable of hitting 15 HR. then weve got norton and diaz on the bench who ahve fair power. i think we will be ok.
no speed? one of josh anderson and shafer will make this team, and both have blazing speed. johnson and yunel dont have great SB speed, but they can take extra bases as well as anyone, and chipper is a good baserunner himself.
strikeout alot? not really. this hasnt been a problem for the braves in a couple of years. garret, kotchman, chipper, yunel and mccann all strikeout very little.
Couch Tater
March 22nd, 2009
5:16 pm
Vin Scully’s voice comes floating out of my TV.
…and the new breed includes Tim Kurkjian. (whose voice comes screeching out of the TV like a first time violin student.)
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
5:18 pm
Randam(5:13)And who decided that somebody else besides Jurrjens had a better chance to get out of the inning with no damage????????
You? Me? Jurrjems???????
No — Bobby Cox.
Bobby Cox, who knows more than you, me, and Jurrjens put together times three.
If Logan couldn’t’ve kept that run from scoring, no way Jurrjens could’ve (at leat in Cox’ estimation – and I am not inclined to argue).
Can you not realize this is March. You are not playing to win these games. During the season JJ would of stayed in. However it is not the season. JJ was close to his pitch count and Cox wanted to see how Logan would do in that situation. Damn, this is Spring Training. Use some common sense.
f.n.hale
March 22nd, 2009
5:19 pm
“saw this and scratched my head. When did the Braves get a solid offense. ” Eric from Mo
Of course it remains to be seen but Tim Dierkes posted this http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/03/offseason-in–7.html (link not working for some reason)
“But using CHONE projections, their lineup projects to score a healthy 4.93 runs per game. The Mets and Phillies tied for second in the league last year with that same figure.”
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
5:20 pm
random re: earned runs…either way, jurjens didnt give up the hit that let the run in…the guy was on at first when he left (i think with two outs…?) jurjens shouldnt have been charged with that run.
let me just add that i know this ius just spring training and it doesnt matter, but it happens all the time in real game situations.
my solution would be to not charge the run to anyone’s ERA, but put it on the reliever’s record as an inherited runner scored(% of inherited runners scoring/stranded is already a stat that is recorded), and maybe on the starter’s record as leaving a runner on. it would have to be a seperate stat cetegory to be fair, i think.
f.n.hale
March 22nd, 2009
5:25 pm
” jurjens shouldnt have been charged with that run.” DAP
Just one of many reasons ERA isn’t a good indicator of how good a pitcher is/was/or will be
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
5:25 pm
Couch Tater-
That would be a pretty apt description…I hadn’t listened to Scully in a while- had almost forgotten what a real broadcaster sounds like…had to believe the man is 81 years old- he sounds exactly the same as he did 20 years ago
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
5:26 pm
meant “hard to believe”
winterville
March 22nd, 2009
5:26 pm
DOB
You better give Bowman hell over the game today. They could have at least shown up. How about Aldrich with a triple double. Not bad at all.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
5:26 pm
Dap(5:15) “chipper, mccann, and frenchy can all hit 30 HR.”
Yeah right. Chipper’s power has declined. He hasnt hit 30 in 5 years. Francouer has never hit 30 and hit a whopping 11 last year and McCann has never hit 25. The Braves were 23rd in homeruns last year and that was with a half season of Tex but you are right. The Braves have all kinds of power.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
5:30 pm
Dap by the way Atlanta was 27th in stolen bases and 24th in stolen base%. One rookie aint going to change it that much. You can try to say Escobar has good speed, which he does, every team has guys with good speed who dont steal bases. Nothing special about that.
kirkinga
March 22nd, 2009
5:31 pm
“No reason to bring Ohman back. The Braves can win the Grapefruit League without him.”
You’re so right Chop Chop! I wonder if everyone gets the point though.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
5:33 pm
Mizzou on a run. Anybody want to jump the Tiger bandwagon?
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
5:33 pm
eric from MOChipper’s power has declined. He hasnt hit 30 in 5 years. Francouer has never hit 30 and hit a whopping 11 last year and McCann has never hit 25. thats all youve got? what about the other stuff? jeff hit 29 HR his first full year. its not a stretch for him to hit 30. chipper hit 29 homers in 2007. last year 22 homres in just 439 ABs. all he needs is the at bats, and he could do it. he still has the power. and as for mccann, who cares if hes never hit 30? lets poll the blog and see how many folks dont think mccann has the potential to hit 30 homers. youll find that almost everyone agrees the he could.
im not saying that the braves have plenty of power. that would be just as premature as saying they dont have any power, like you are. we are gonna have to wait and see what this team gives us. we have the potential to have a decent power hitting team.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
5:35 pm
Your right DAP. As long as everyone thinks they can do it, then what does it matter? Who cares if they can actually do it and who cares if the stats really back me up. As long as everyone thinks they could do it.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
5:36 pm
Cuz I mean, polls do win championships right?
Random
March 22nd, 2009
5:40 pm
Jeff321 (3:13 pm): “I would like to take a moment and wrap a blanket of shame around Eric O’Flaherty! You’ve just become an honorary member of the much touted GIVE IT UP BOYS”
Jeff321: “Am I suppose to forget all the terrible pitching he did last year? Who cares if he was good until fatigue set in? Its all about my last memories.”
So, what you’re saying is that you don’t actually THINK when it comes to baseball analysis and evaluation of players’ performance, you simply only FEEL.
Duly noted, “Make-It-Up-Boy”.
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
5:41 pm
eric from MODap by the way Atlanta was 27th in stolen bases and 24th in stolen base%. One rookie aint going to change it that much.
oh boy…i think we can agree that josh anderson could steal 40 bases in a full season, easily. last year he stole 10. if you add 30 SB to our total, that brings us from 28th to 14th. looks like one rookie can make a big difference.
and “team speed” means more than just SB. and the braves have ok team speed.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
5:44 pm
Bobby’s Cox (3:16 pm): “I’m saying that maybe that’s why Wren is looking to deal the excess pitching…to free up money for Ohman while trying to get a solid 3B prospect. Could kill 2 birds with 1 stone.”
doG, that’d be great!
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
5:44 pm
eric from MO Who cares if they can actually do it and who cares if the stats really back me up.
there are no stats that back you up. “hes never done it before” isnt a reason. its just as good as “he has done it before” which is what im saying. my point is, its premature for us to assume this team doesnt or does have enough power.
and mccann DOES have the potential to hit 30HR. he just does. were not talking rafael belliard here.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
5:51 pm
DAP you have to make the team to steal bases. That is going to be a problem for Anderson. Also if you have never done before then that is a stat. I dont know how it can be any more clear. Francouer and McCann have never hit 30 homeruns but since you believe they can that makes it true. God I wished I knew you because I love to gamble and I would love to take your money.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
5:55 pm
Missouri by 16…anybody else have them winnng it?
mbatl
March 22nd, 2009
5:56 pm
“God I wished I knew you because I love to gamble and I would love to take your money”
You could probably hook up with KC on some action.
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
5:58 pm
eric from MO hey man, i dont want to insult you, but thats just dumb. francouer HAS hit 29 homers…since it wasnt 30, youre cinvinced that he wont hit 30? theres not way? chipper hit 29 in 2007, and in 2008 he had like 100 fewer ABs and hit 29…so youre cinvinced there is NO WAY, he can hit 30? mccann has great power. 24 homers inst that far from 30. he has the potential to hit 30. and this:
you have to make the team to steal bases. That is going to be a problem for Anderson
im not sure what you even mean. but anderson stole 10 in his time up here last year. projected over a full season thats 40. so why will it be a problem for him? hes already been able to steal bases at a rate that would move the braves up 10 spots in the SB rankings.
youre just wrong about this team eric, and at times you have sounded very silly. and now i have to leave, sadly. see you later.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
5:59 pm
I live in the bootheel of Missouri. We are in completely opposite corners of the state.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
6:06 pm
Since Francouer hit 29 hit 19 in 07 and then 11 in 08. Looks like he is going in the right direction for 30.
I dont know what you are talking about Chipper. He hit 29 in 07 but then you said he hit 29 in 08. If you want to make up stats then I guess stats do support you. However, he actually hit 22 in 08.
Last I checked 24 isnt 30. He has to increase his homerun total 25% to hit 30. Thats a pretty good jump.
I dont know why you dont understand my statement about Anderson. He isnt going to make the team. Schafer’s BA is a 100 points higher, and OBP is 120 points higher. Expect to see Anderson to be traded in the next week or two.
Harrison Dangler
March 22nd, 2009
6:08 pm
Looks like with the quality of posts from the last hour or so, Anders must have turned the blog over to the Special Olympian commentators. Take it away DAP, Random, and Eric from MO. Obama wants to know if you guys bowl, too?
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
6:09 pm
and mccann DOES have the potential to hit 30HR. he just does. were not talking rafael belliard hereDAP
Francouer and McCann have never hit 30 homeruns but since you believe they can that makes it true. God I wished I knew you because I love to gamble and I would love to take your money.Eric from MO
I’m all in you calling???
The truth is McCann WILL hit 30 HR’s one day. Just not sure which year. Both players mentioned are very capable of reaching that mark. McCann is a catcher, so yes, It will be tougher for him. The emergence of Ross will hurt the chances…..I’m not complaining , since we do have the top catcher in the game(my opinion,lay off) If McCann was in LF he would have already crushed 33HRs.
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
6:10 pm
ZING!
Children, children...
March 22nd, 2009
6:12 pm
McCann will hit 35 home runs this year
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
6:13 pm
LOL
spotts — no trouble on that post.
Eric from Who cares?
March 22nd, 2009
6:13 pm
you guys have no earthly idea what you’re talking about
SoWeGa Fanatic
March 22nd, 2009
6:18 pm
Chipper hit 22 dingers in 2008.
TnBrian
March 22nd, 2009
6:19 pm
Why in the world is there a picture of Andruw blasted in our faces? Who cares about whether or not he makes the fu- Rangers? It’s old and he’s way 2 yrs. ago!
I don’t trust this Logan guy either. Another bad outing and it’s trade time. He set the tone for the Mets to blow us out. Practice game or not, Logan should be on top of his game at this point in S.T. if he wants to make the team. O’Flatery is an after thought since he probably wasn’t making the team anyways over Logan. No reason to panic since Wren has set this team up for a trade at any time. So much pitching depth that he can get a very good lefty bp arm if he needs to. We’ll be alright
KC
March 22nd, 2009
6:23 pm
mbatl, I don’t know what the bet you’re referring to is… but I have a couple of bets for which I’m looking for takers.
First, I am confident that Francoeur will hit at least .295 with 20 homers this year. Any takers?
I also predict that the Braves will in AT LEAST 88 games this year. Anyone?
Open wager invitation!
Doc Holiday
March 22nd, 2009
6:26 pm
KC,
I will to those prediction that chipper will play 135 games.
TnBrian
March 22nd, 2009
6:26 pm
McCann will probably hit 28-30 HR’s if he gets the protection from Chipper, G.A., and if Franc. bounces back like he think he will. I think 35 is too many since he is a catcher and he gets worn down a little come Aug/Sep. He definitely has the swing and strength to do it though. He’s trimmed down which should help his energy throughout the season is why I think his power will go up a little.
TnBrian
March 22nd, 2009
6:31 pm
I can’t help it, so I’ll make one last pre-season prediction…Franc. has shown his better discipline but with very little power so far this spring, so I’ll give him a ‘09 of .284 avg., 18 hr, 84 RBI. The power will come but he’ll still have to adjust to his approach for awhile. That’s my take
Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 2009
6:31 pm
Hitting the road back to Orlando here in a minute. DOB’s plane gets in tonight so he might jump in at some point. Thanks again for bloggin with me.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
6:36 pm
KC I def. dont believe Francouer will hit .295 or 20 homers. If I were to bet I would say .270 with 18 homeruns, which is a big upgrade over last year. I believe the Braves will win 85-87 games. So I guess I would take that wager too. However, without us ever meeting I would never take a bet on here. How do I know you would pay me?
Doc my prediction on Chipper is 120 starts and he plays in 130.
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
6:38 pm
Bye Carroll! Quick few games.I guess you’ll have another computer next time we see you?
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
6:38 pm
KC, .290? This spring has you a believer…
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
6:40 pm
oh .295..Man, someone needs to pickup that bet.
BlawgDawg
March 22nd, 2009
6:42 pm
Great job filling in again Carroll (as usual), have a safe trip back home.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
6:48 pm
N Nine (eta14) you obviously are not familar with KC’s posts. He is always overly optimistic. Its kind of sad because many times he makes good points but his overly optimisiom takes away from them.
Doc Holiday
March 22nd, 2009
6:49 pm
I also think JF will hit at least .290 and take in account I have hammered the guy really tough, but to watch him take a walk to a very sharp Santana today convinced me that he has really being doing lots of homework. He looks completely different, no hacking at all.
Doc Holiday
March 22nd, 2009
6:52 pm
Chipper has been much healthier last 2 seasons that the previous 2 (2005-2006). 134 and 128 game last 2 seasons, no reason he cant play 135 this season.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
6:56 pm
Except for the fact that 134 and 128 isnt 135. Not saying he cant do it but he still hasnt the pass few years and he is a year older and already hurt. Now you take my guess 130 and that would go with what his past years would tell you.
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
7:03 pm
I hate seeing Marteens name on mlbtr. He better not get traded. Our biggest need is a lefty pitching for the pen. Not urgent just yet.
Eric from MO___Ya KC loves his Braves!
nolie
March 22nd, 2009
7:08 pm
Was there anyone who did not see resigning Ohman as a priority for the Braves? Kirk
sure there were/are. I didn’t and still don’t. I think the guy had a career year last season and could just as soon flop as not. He was in 83 games but pitched less than 60 innings, so he was basically a Loogy even last season. If the pen stays healthy he would be even more so this year. I understand that a lot on here think that the season is gonna be a total meltdown without him, but not all of us do. the way this board bounces around from zoom to doom each day is entertaining though so keep it up guys.
McFann :Ô:
March 22nd, 2009
7:09 pm
OK, if McCann doesn’t hit 30 homers this year, I’m holding a lot of you responsible.
Ritchie from Scotland
March 22nd, 2009
7:09 pm
cheers again Carroll
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
7:13 pm
I’m with you, nolie.
Salty
March 22nd, 2009
7:13 pm
So KC is an optimistic fan who puts his wagers out for all to see. He’s a good fan…good blogger…and consistent in his view, for years. He doesn’t do it to be belittled by someone he doesn’t know, yet who decides to take potshots.
As fans, we all love our Braves, warts and all…and it’s spring…eternal optimism. Hey, there were days when the end of April marked the beginning of the end. We’re not back to those days.
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
7:13 pm
Yes, Carroll. Nice job. Thank you, again.
TnBrian
March 22nd, 2009
7:18 pm
I still don’t see Kawakami as a very smart signing since Hanson can be ready at any time, probably right now. Shoulda spent that $7M on a bat, Abreu maybe. The rest of that money coulda been put away for later. I know, coulda,shoulda,woulda…but, if that’s all I got to complain about, that’s a damn good sign! G.A. is a solid signing still.
Rodney Derrick
March 22nd, 2009
7:18 pm
Box score madness– After watching three movies this afternoon from my DVR (What Happens in Vegas, Poison Friends, Smiley Face), I looked at the sad box score. Ugh! Lefties go awry! Meanwhile, saw the Cleveland box score, and there was Andy Marte with two hits and a G. Lombard with a home run. Does anyone know if this is the long ago “super” Braves prospect? Also LittleBridge plays almost every day in center, shortstop, second for the White Sox, and Betemit also playing first for the Sox had two hits today.
Salty and Andrus have had good springs for Texas and Matt Harrison won a number of games for them last year with the “uber-prospect” in the wings. Yet Bravos appear to turn up great prospects over and over. Oh, and Kyle Davies looking like Royals third starter, and catcher Brayan Pena had two hits today. Some of these guys this year really seem like they will be great, but we should remember some history too.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
7:19 pm
Of all the times for the referees to swallow their damn wistles…with less then 1:30 left of a tie game in the NCAA tournament…
ncscoots
March 22nd, 2009
7:21 pm
mbatl, I finally saw your ask on Eric Campbell. Lots of pop (the ball comes off his bat with “significance”, as we used to say), nothing-special glove. His peripheral offensive skills seem average at best. But it’s hard to evaluate his talent, for me, because he often just looks as if he isn’t having any fun. How can you excel, if that’s the case?
I know he’s had some problems with depression in the past, and I can’t knock a guy for an illness. But he’s bound to have a hard road, unless he can control his off-the-field stuff. On-the-field just doesn’t show enough to compensate, so far.
I know somebody once said he was talented, but no heart. I’d never go that far in judging a player’s character, but, that kind of opinion doesn’t usually come from whole cloth.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
7:27 pm
MIZZOU BABY!!! KEEPS MY BRACKET ALIVE!!! WHOOO!!!
kirkinga
March 22nd, 2009
7:28 pm
ok, nolie, there’s you and….?
nolie, how can last year be a fluke when Ohman has arguably had more effective seasons? Last season he pitched more innings than ever, but he was effective in the seasons before as well.
Flukes don’t repeat their success. Ohman is no fluke.
Chasin' KC
March 22nd, 2009
7:34 pm
However, without us ever meeting I would never take a bet on here. How do I know you would pay me? ERIC
good point since he runs off as soon as things go bad.You’d have to go chase him down.
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
7:38 pm
spotts — no trouble on that post.PTBNL
makes me 1 for 3 today
Jackie Treehorn
March 22nd, 2009
7:39 pm
Who’s tuning in to Breaking Bad tonight?
Epinephrine
March 22nd, 2009
7:40 pm
TNBrian, I’m as big a Hanson supporter as anyone, but even I wouldn’t mind kicking him down to AAA for a bit of this season. The stuff and the makeup are clearly there. If he can improve his command just a little, he could be flat out dominant.
I’m also not sold on Kawakami, at all. But it would be grossly unfair to judge him based on his performance so far. He is adjusting to a new ball, new hitters, and a new culture. Give him some time before reaching any conclusions. Also, I think I’d give the nod to Reyes right now as number 5. He’s earned it based on his play this spring, and there is no reason to rush Hanson when he still needs to tweak some things.
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
7:41 pm
kinkinga, he was only half “effective” the year before. Just as there are questions on the blog this year about Logan, there were fears last year of Ohman. He had terrible splits the year before he came here. Many outside Brave’s fandom thought the Braves had made a big mistake, including some seemingly well intended Cubs fans who came to the blog to “warn” us that the Braves will be sorry. Ohman pitched terribly at home games for the Cubs.
ncscoots
March 22nd, 2009
7:44 pm
how can last year be a fluke when Ohman has arguably had more effective seasons?
Certainly, he has, plus some not quite so effective (a couple of years with a WHIP of about 1.3, some about 1.6). That’s the point. The guy is asking for about $3MM, effectively, for a role that’s bound to be reduced by an effective Moylan, Soriano, and Gonzalez. He had the best WHIP of his career last year; you really think that’s a repeat waiting to happen, and are you ready to bet that much money that it will happen?
Too Busy?
March 22nd, 2009
7:49 pm
TIN BRAIN is that you? I been looking all over tryin’ to connect again sweetie. I heard the whisper of some bad language the other night but by the time I arrived you had slunk off after talking dirty to someone else other han moi. I as reallt sad that you are ignoring me but will talk dirty to others, you big ol’ punky brute. I just love that mean stuff. I shaved my legs and underarms again just last night hopin’ I could find you. C’mon sweetie you know I will always have time for you and be your sex-slave if you will just come back and curse at me some more.
Frank from KS
March 22nd, 2009
7:53 pm
TnBrian re: of your 7:18 pm post
I think Kawakami will end up being the Dice K of the NL.
Dice K wasn’t all that great his first year with the R. Sox but he performed well last season and should up those numbers a bit this season.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
7:53 pm
Got agree with nolie and PTBNL there is just about as good chance Ohman will not be really good last year as a chance he will be good. Now I personally wanted him then looked at his past years and other than 05 he hasnt been that good. I would be weary about giving him a nice pay raise. Wouldnt blame Wren if he did it but also wouldnt blame him if he didnt.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
7:59 pm
Epinephrine (3:22 pm): “you are getting you history wrong. You are forgetting the fact that we signed Lowe and Kawakami after the Smoltz departure. I doubt we would have picked up both if we hadn’t lost JS.”
No.
No — that’s exactly what I said.
If Smoltz had not signed with the Sox — if the Braves had re-signed Smoltz — they’d've probably signed only one of Lowe or Kawakami — most likely Kawakami.
What comment of mine (time?) did you misread?
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
8:01 pm
We’ve got some seriously gusty wind out here in LA right now…if it keeps up it could make for an interesting WBC game
kirkinga
March 22nd, 2009
8:02 pm
Will Ohman was very good, very effective in 2005. He was effective, though not spectacular in 2006 and 2007.
So PTBNL, he wasn’t terrible. What was terrible were the lefties the Braves ran out there before they acquired Mahay and then Ohman.
scoots, sorry but the reports on ESPN(I Believe it was, maybe it was Sportsline), say that he is now looking for $1.5 million/year +incentives.
Somehow with a few innings of ST, Ohman has suddenly gone from a guy we need/like to have, to someone who was a fluke, or sketchy. Sorry, but that is just plain b.s.
He’s dropped his price and the Braves should take a look and snatch him up before someone else in the division does.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
8:10 pm
Brian Roberts leads off with a HR for team USA
McFann :Ô:
March 22nd, 2009
8:15 pm
Hey hey! McCann’s moved up to the seventh spot!
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
8:20 pm
I left out a word, kirk. I said his splits were terrible…. I meant his home splits…. As the rest of the post points out.
Like I said, no different feelings about Logan this year, than about Ohman last year…. for many on the ole blog.
Epinephrine
March 22nd, 2009
8:22 pm
Random, I inferred it based on your thinking re: Glavine. At the time of Smoltz’s departure, it made perfect sense to sign both JS and Glav, especially when you can get Glav for only a million.
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
8:23 pm
Hmmmm I wonder why the Braves are the only ones who are stupid enough to not want to pay Ohman the money he wants? I must be missing something, because the best I can tell no one else… (professional GMs) want to do it either. Just might be something to it.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
8:26 pm
Eric from MO (4:32 pm): “last I heard Smoltz aint pitching til at least June.”
As I said — that is the CHOICE of his new team, the Red Sox. He’ll be ready way before then. (He’s probably ready now, but certainly by 17 Apr.)
“His rehab is going to take longer considering his arm is held on by 5 screws and who knows when it will fall off.”
Was Glavine throwing off the mound in Dec? (Was he throwing at all? –no.)
Smoltz threw off the mound three times in Dec — once for Cox, once for the Braves trainers and once for reps from the Red Sox front office, manager and trainers. The Sox signed him on the basis of that session.
In mid-Dec, Smoltz was throwing off the mound, — fastballs, change-ups, curves and sliders.
Two months after that, Glavine was still flat-land long tossin’.
Smoltz is at least a month or two ahead of Glavine in his rehab. Screw the screws.
McFann :Ô:
March 22nd, 2009
8:31 pm
A walk…I saw that walk, BTW.
I said that if we watched he wouldn’t get a hit…and well, he didn’t.
dogsbrekky
March 22nd, 2009
8:33 pm
Was that the 1st quarter score in a footy match that our Irish loogy put up today ?
C's
March 22nd, 2009
8:36 pm
Francoeur? .290? 30 HRs? NAME YOUR PRICE!!
And I’m a believer in Jeff. But NO WAY he puts up those numbers in ‘09.
dogsbrekky
March 22nd, 2009
8:36 pm
The effort of our hitters against Johan today may be reflective of what we lack, hitting against quality pitching, we carve up clowns but fail versus stars… hope we give Schafer some goes against the best pitchers…….
C's
March 22nd, 2009
8:40 pm
So Smoltz is a month or two ahead of Glavine, yet he hasn’t pitched an inning this spring. Glavine is expected to make his first start when his rotation spot comes up. Smoltz isn’t expected to get into any games until mid-May. So how is he ahead of Glavine?
kirkinga
March 22nd, 2009
8:41 pm
PTBNL, I get it. Some think that Logan is Ohman, or there is just as good a chance that he will be. I don’t understand why that is, but that’s what people think now.
At some point Ohman will be signed by some team. I want that team to be the Braves. I don’t want to have to hold my breath when these other guys are put into tight situations. With Ohman, I had very little doubt that he would be effective.
But, ok, I guess I’m up for an adventure. I give it about a month into the season before Ohman suddenly turns back into the guy “we should’ve signed”.
dogsbrekky
March 22nd, 2009
8:42 pm
Glavine can pitch, give the man a break dudes, he is a proven winner and I seem to recall a certain okay kind of scoreline from his 3 innings yesterday……….
Robert(Chipper Is The Best)
March 22nd, 2009
8:47 pm
I think Frenchy can put up those types of numbers. The key is that he has to stick with what works. He did a great job in ‘07 but because his homers were down he thought he needed to change and went back to his old ways. I think if he can understand that hitting tons of homers isn’t as important as driving in runs and getting on base than he will have a great year. I really believe he is the key to the success of this season. If the Braves can get a Frenchy somewhere between the ‘05 and ‘06 Frenchy and the ‘07 Frenchy then he will have a breakout season and the Braves could be on their way to a division title.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
8:53 pm
Eric from MO (4:53 pm): “Huh? Couldnt he just as easily been planning on signing these guys and if Smoltz wanted to play for us then fine. I dont think it was really a big deal to Wren if he resigned with us. I mean how hard will be to replace 28 innings”
Try again, son — I’m not sure I can comprehend anything from the foregoing incoherence.
Are you saying that if Wren had signed Vazquez and Smoltz, he’d've gone ahead and signed both Kawakami and Lowe?
It’s debatable, but I for one would doubt it.
C's
March 22nd, 2009
8:54 pm
I think if Jeff hits .290, his HR total will be closer to 20, 25 tops. Not saying that’s bad at all. I would welcome those numbers in a heartbeat.
I’m just saying if someone really wanted to throw down money that he will hit .290 w/ 30 HRs, I’d take that bet and not think twice.
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
9:00 pm
eric from MO hey, sorry about the typo eariler. it should have said chipper hit 29HR in 2007, and 22HR in 2008 with like 100 fewer at bats. chipper still has the power, he just needs to get the at bats.
just remember that i wasnt saying those guys are all definetly going to hit 30HR. it would be premature to predict this team will hit for power, just like is it to predict this team will lack power. we dont know yet. it is possible that it could go either way.
DAP
March 22nd, 2009
9:04 pm
C’s
i would never bet that frenchy would hit 30HR this year, but hes got the power, if he has a great year, he could.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
9:05 pm
C’s Random has attendenacy talking out of his ass. Even if he is completely wrong.
Random I meant Wren was going to sign those guys regardless. If Smoltz wanted to play for us he could for a little money but he was in no way in Wren’s plan.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
9:07 pm
DAP (5:01 pm): “rush is a very talented broadcaster. listen and learn.”
I have.
I have learned that he is a liar, regardless how entertaining many find him.
He is not informative — he is misinformative.
He makes us all dumber, to the extent we believe him.
TnBrian
March 22nd, 2009
9:08 pm
McCann needs his stinky butt in camp. Stupid WBC is so un-American!
Frank, I never said Kawakami wasn’t a good pitcher, I just thought with Hanson waiting around the corner and a guy like Campillo, Bennett, or Reyes could fill that spot until they feel Hanson will be ready. I’d have loved to have a Nady or Abreu, but G.A. will be ok.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
9:12 pm
gotta love how it is apparently DeRo’s fault that David Wright winged that ball down the right field line…
TnBrian
March 22nd, 2009
9:13 pm
Why even ask Phillips or Morgan a question when they know everything anyways? Man, what don’t these two moro…I meant einstein’s know?
TnBrian
March 22nd, 2009
9:16 pm
cabravesfan, cause Wright can’t do any wrong, man. You didn’t know that?
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
9:20 pm
TnBrian-
yeah I know…he and Captian Derek Jeter are the reason team USA is in the semi’s right? and we all know the Captian is the best option to play SS because of his outstanding defensive skills…
Great- Mac takes a foul ball off his foot…
Random
March 22nd, 2009
9:22 pm
DAP (5:04 pm): “also, if wren was counting on smoltz as much as you think he was, why didnt he just pony up another couple of mil, rather than signing two pitchers who both cost WAY more than the most smoltz counld possibly make? not that wren wasnt hoping to bring smoltz back, but i dont think he was over emphasising that.”
Like I’ve said, Wren thought he had Smoltz in his back pocket.
The Red Sox totally wrong-footed Wren by making an offer to Smoltz before Wren was mentally ready himself to make an offer.
Wren was caught flat-footed, and ponied up the way many millions for Lowe and Kawakami only AFTER the Red Sox had spirited Smoltz away (with or without Smoltz’ complicity — that’s a whole different debate).
nolie
March 22nd, 2009
9:22 pm
Got agree with nolie and PTBNL there is just about as good chance ERIC Mo
thanx. whichever way it would go I never saw it as a priority like he said. If he had signed I would have been mildly pleased, but there were many things way more important to this team than resigning Ohman. If they signed him now at a price they were happy with it would be ok by me too. But there are damn few middle relievers/loogys who are really good every year. I said the day they got Vazquez and the lefty that there was little chance they would up their bid for Ohman and it turned out that they took it off the table right away. Guy should have signed with the Braves last summer when they offered him a fair deal. I just don’t see any reason to write post after post complaining about something that likely ain’t gonna happen after you have stated your opinion a time or two. . If it does occur just enjoy it. Like Bill James said, only amateurs make unconditional statements about what should or did happen. Way too many variables in baseball to ever know for sure
David O'Brien
March 22nd, 2009
9:25 pm
Seriously, Adam Dunn is an awful outfielder, and in RF he’s a debacle. They moved him from 1B after his two heinous throws the other night. But I don’t know where he’s more a liability.
TnBrian
March 22nd, 2009
9:26 pm
ALRIGHT…come on home Mac!
nolie
March 22nd, 2009
9:27 pm
Somehow with a few innings of ST, Ohman has suddenly gone from a guy we need/like to have, to someone who was a fluke, or sketchy. Sorry, but that is just plain b.s. Kirk
I bow to your expertise and experience. You are obviously correct. The entire season will collapse over a loogy .
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
9:28 pm
DOB I am assuming you saw him “play” 1st base? as ugly as he plays the outfield I would not wish him on my least favorite team at 1st…
By the way I was totally looking forward to my USC Trojans playing your Jayhawks next week…although it could have gotten ugly…oh well
TnBrian
March 22nd, 2009
9:29 pm
Yeah, I can’t believe Dunn didn’t sign with an AL team. If I remember, he wanted to stay in the NL and likes playing defense…it just doesn’t like him.
Jake W.
March 22nd, 2009
9:31 pm
DOB I was just thinking that about Dunn. It was like he was moving in slow motion out there. That play with Roberts hurt though because that could have been one or two outs. Doesn’t help that Oswalt was missing with his pitches either right down the heart of the plate.
ATL
March 22nd, 2009
9:33 pm
Eric from MO- “attendenacy”
… a tendency
TnBrian
March 22nd, 2009
9:35 pm
I wonder what it would take to pry Grabow away from Pit.
David O'Brien
March 22nd, 2009
9:38 pm
All caught up with Breaking Bad and Eastbound & Down after couple days at home. Gotta say, Eastbound & Down has grown on me. Funny show.
Breaking Bad’s been terrific.
TexasBrave: Not to belabor the point, but you still of the opinion that the Big 12 teams were “mediocre?” Because three are in the Sweet 16, and if you watched Texas-Duke and OK State-Pitt you know how easily two more of them could have been in — the ‘Horns and ‘Pokes both took them boys to the wire.
Frank from KS
March 22nd, 2009
9:52 pm
TnBrian re: your 9:08 pm post
I know you never said KK wasn’t a good pitcher but I think he’ll be better than some think and will end up being the Dice K of the NL. I also agree that GA was a good signing too. A better one than some on the blog think.
And as for Reyes….I hope they get rid of him. Him and Boyer.
Whoever it is on the blog with the *Give It Up Boys* club….Reyes, and Boyer have got to be the top 2 members of the club.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
9:55 pm
DAP (5:20 pm): “re: earned runs…either way, jurjens didnt give up the hit that let the run in…the guy was on at first when he left (i think with two outs…?) jurjens shouldnt have been charged with that run.
“let me just add that i know this ius just spring training and it doesnt matter, but it happens all the time in real game situations.”
Yes. I too was addressing the general sitch, not this specific ST game with a SP on a pitch count. (Hear that, Eric from MO? Good.)
Generally speaking, in re inherited baserunners:
Who allowed the baserunner(s)? The SP.
Who was judged by the Major League manager to be LESS likely than the RP to get the next batter(s) out? The SP.
So if the RP fails to get the next batter(s) out, and the inherited baserunner(s) score(s), surely the SP if left in would have allowed them to score also. (Unless the manager is a donkey onager.)
No, it ain’t 100%. But the odds are that if a RP allows inherited baserunners to score, the SP would have been just as or even more likely to let them score. Else why would the manager have relieved the SP?
McFann :Ô:
March 22nd, 2009
9:56 pm
cabravesfan Great- Mac takes a foul ball off his foot…
WHAT?? Fooey…
Night, all!
kirkinga
March 22nd, 2009
9:58 pm
“I just don’t see any reason to write post after post complaining about something that likely ain’t gonna happen after you have stated your opinion a time or two…”
HaHaHa! Yeah, if only we all followed that rule!
I hear what you are saying nolie. I don’t think anything you said wasn’t rational. But I’m not as confident as you guys that Logan=Ohman.
I’m willing to give it some time. I’m betting those who are calling Ohman a “fluke” tonight will be singing a different tune come May and June.
Aaron
March 22nd, 2009
10:00 pm
DOB
I agree wholeheartedly about Dunn. After seeing two sac flies where he either didn’t bother throwing or his throw was about five minutes late I couldn’t help but think “what if that had been last WBC and Frenchy had been out there”? Thus far, his offense has in no way been able to offset his defense and I HATE watching poor defense.
Jeff321
March 22nd, 2009
10:06 pm
Reyes can’t be a “give it up boy” unless he comes out the bullpen!
Schafer's Wafers
March 22nd, 2009
10:06 pm
Whats the score of the WBC game stuck here at work
TexasBrave
March 22nd, 2009
10:10 pm
Hey I am just calling it like I see it. Notice only Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri were worthy of being in the top 25 by voters most of the season. Nobody is happier than I that the Big 12 has had a good showing thus far even in some close game losses. So either the rest of the tournament field is not as strong or the Big 12 teams were underrated this year. Perhaps this is also the reason why a strong team like my Sooners didn’t blow most of the conference teams away as I was expecting them to.
My bracket has both Kansas and Oklahoma going to the Final 4. I also think Missouri has a good chance of beating Memphis and getting to the Elite 8.
Hey did you call and console Bowman?
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
10:10 pm
It’s 6-2 Japan in the bottom of the 6th
Bubdylan
March 22nd, 2009
10:11 pm
Still no Anders?
“I dreamed I was as light as the ether… a floating spirit visiting things to come…” -H. I. McDunnough
Aaron
March 22nd, 2009
10:11 pm
USA 2 Japan 6 in the bottom of the 6th inning.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
10:14 pm
TnBrian (6:26 pm): “McCann will probably hit 28-30 HR’s if he gets the protection from Chipper”
Yeah, right — with Chipper hitting in front of him. Some protection.
Thanks much for sharing your knowledge and insight.
richbrave
March 22nd, 2009
10:17 pm
Ah yes, cuts coming. Where’s OHMAN when you need him?
Bubdylan
March 22nd, 2009
10:18 pm
See, Random, the pitcher will spoil all his good pitches on Chipper, and then McCann will get the fat ones. That’s F-A-T fat. Thus, protection…
Schafer's Wafers
March 22nd, 2009
10:38 pm
WBC Updates??
The General
March 22nd, 2009
10:39 pm
Richbrave I am pulling with you. Cuts are coming and I hope and we must cut Ohman back to our team without delay Boone Logan I hope will be back after today on a trip to AAA Gwinnett to make room for a resigning of Ohman
The General
March 22nd, 2009
10:40 pm
richbrave I meant to say Boone Logan I hope will be on a trip to AAA Gwineett after todays play to make roonm fro a resigning of Will Ohman.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
10:45 pm
Still 6-2 Japan top of the 8th…Mac’s having a hell of an at bat
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
10:45 pm
Good AB for McCann here
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
10:45 pm
Fouling off tons of pitches
Aaron
March 22nd, 2009
10:45 pm
Same score, top of the 8th, runner on 2nd with 1 out and McCann batting with a full count.
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
10:46 pm
And then draws a walk. Great AB
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
10:46 pm
Mac draws his 3rd walk after a 10 pitch at bat…
BB5795
March 22nd, 2009
10:46 pm
What a great AB for McCann!
Aaron
March 22nd, 2009
10:47 pm
OK, cabravesfan, I give up. I’ll just assume you will post the same thing as me but a few seconds earlier.
Aaron
March 22nd, 2009
10:47 pm
6 to 4 with a runner on 3rd now.
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
10:47 pm
2 RBI triple for D-Ro! 6-4 Japan
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
10:48 pm
DeRo rips a double that ends up getting away from the japanese fielder…both runs score- 6-4
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
10:48 pm
Aaron-
looks like I am a bit behind spotts…
Schafer's Wafers
March 22nd, 2009
10:51 pm
Hey thanks people stuck here at work would appreciate if you could keep it going
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
10:51 pm
Puerto Rico had whistles, Japan has thundersticks….what is it with other countries/territories and annoying accessories??
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
10:52 pm
Longoria Ks….Chipper could’ve done that
Aaron
March 22nd, 2009
10:54 pm
Inning over, runner stranded at 3rd. 6 – 4 going to the bottom of the 8th.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
10:54 pm
And the USA is down to their last 3 outs after Evan Longoria grounds back to the pitcher…going to the 9th 6-4 Japan
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
10:54 pm
Roberts groundouts to the pitcher to end the inning. 6-4 going into the bottom of the 8th.
I never realized Brian Roberts was so….orange
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
10:55 pm
Gameday has Chipper and Youk listed on the bench for the US. The US is weak if the best they can do is Dunn in RF. Whew!
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
10:55 pm
random question… is there anything wrong with the fact that my dog is currently sprawled on my sofa snoring and I am sitting on the floor?
BB5795
March 22nd, 2009
10:58 pm
It all washes out the same, however, my broadcast had Longoria striking out to end the top of the 8th. How do we have 3 different endings?
richbrave
March 22nd, 2009
10:59 pm
I can’t recall a similar circumstance like ANDRUW JONES’. Does anyone?
BB5795
March 22nd, 2009
11:00 pm
cabravesfan, it just tells me you really love your dog. I don’t see any fault in that.
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
11:01 pm
This Japanesse players always make perfect bunts.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
11:01 pm
C’s (8:40 pm): “So Smoltz is a month or two ahead of Glavine, yet he hasn’t pitched an inning this spring. Glavine is expected to make his first start when his rotation spot comes up. Smoltz isn’t expected to get into any games until mid-May. So how is he ahead of Glavine?”
sigh
‘Cause he was throwing hard from a mound in Dec, two months ahead of Glavine. His rehab was way ahead of Glavine’s.
He’s not scheduled to join the Sox’ ML roster ’til sometime this summer only because that’s the Red Sox decision as to how to deploy him — it’s not because he could not be ready prior to then.
Eric from MO (9:05 pm): “C’s Random has attendenacy talking out of his ass. Even if he is completely wrong.”
sigh
stupup74
March 22nd, 2009
11:02 pm
Forget Ohman, go get the number of that pitcher #14 of Japan, that dude can deal. J/K
kirkinga, I could not agree more with your post about Ohman.
The braves need to spend that money. There are numerous ways that Ohman helps the solidify the pen. If the braves had Ohman to go with a healthy Soriano and Moylan, they would have had the best pen in the NL. Now they have a hole out there until otherwise proven.
Alas, like men’s basketball in the sec, I am beating a dead horse. Hopefully the lefty situation gets figured out. Hopefully Auburn beats Baylor on Tuesday night, that way I get to see them in NYC when I am up there on business next week.
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
11:02 pm
Longoria struck out, but that was out 2. Orange-toned Roberts grounded out for the 3rd out.
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
11:03 pm
Damn Jeter…High throw.
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
11:04 pm
Bad throw by Jeter, runner scores from third. 7-6 Japan
But in Jeter’s defense, he hardly had any time to make a throw
Aaron
March 22nd, 2009
11:04 pm
Haha cabravesfan, a familiar position for me. Used to have a great dane that would take up the entire couch. Of course, since the floor continually gets harder, there does come a time to wake the dog.
Now 7 to 4 with 2 outs in the bottom of the 8th and a runner on 1st.
nolie
March 22nd, 2009
11:04 pm
is there anything wrong with the fact that my dog is currently sprawled on my sofa snoring and I am sitting on the floor? CABRAVESFAN
not a thing. just shows that you both have your priorities in the right order. think how bad it would be if he were a cat.
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
11:04 pm
7-4 Japan….my b
stupup74
March 22nd, 2009
11:07 pm
Actually I was kidding about forgeting Ohman. I really want to know who #14 of Japan pitches for.
cabravesfan: No, nothing wrong with it, dogs are like family, i guess. My parents cat eats AT the table. They fix it a place and everything. It even bows its head for saying grace.
RichBrave: The closest thing I have ever seen to Andruw’s decline is the decline of Steve Avery. I have never seen anything like them.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
11:07 pm
Nolie-
If she was a cat I would just pick her up and put her on the floor…but seeing as how she is a german shepard/ pit bull mix I think I will let her stay:)
Andy K.
March 22nd, 2009
11:07 pm
Looks like B-Mac is coming back to Dark Star….hate to see ‘em lose, but hey, with the off-day, B-Mac might just be in the line-up Tuesday Night.
Austin
March 22nd, 2009
11:08 pm
Davey Johnson is an embarrassment to United States baseball. He is a weak, feeble, old punk.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
11:09 pm
Nice to know I’m not alone with the dog thing:)
nolie
March 22nd, 2009
11:09 pm
hear what you are saying nolie. I don’t think anything you said wasn’t rational. But I’m not as confident as you guys that Logan=Ohman Kirk
I’m not sure he is. Ohman may very well be better. I just didn’t see him as a priority, not that I absolutely didn’t want him.Maybe they will revisit him, who really knows? I just get the feeling that they have spent all they are gonna spend this spring.
Aaron
March 22nd, 2009
11:10 pm
Ichiro hits a single to Dunn who doesn’t even attempt to throw to home and the runner scores (stole 2nd several pitches earlier) to make it 8 – 4
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
11:10 pm
Ichiro singles to Dunn….you know whenever a ball’s hit to him the runner’s gonna score. 8-4 Japan
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
11:10 pm
Anyone still think Dunn is worth $5 million a year to play the outfield?
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
11:11 pm
Another hit to Dunn…..another run scores as he watches the ball roll by him.
Aaron
March 22nd, 2009
11:11 pm
Dunn makes another error and Ichiro scores from 1st on a single. 9 – 4 Japan. I think this is about over.
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
11:11 pm
Dunn reminds me of Eeyore
Aaron
March 22nd, 2009
11:12 pm
Going to the 9th. Jeter, Rollins, and Wright coming up for the USA.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
11:12 pm
Well it’s 9-4 Japan going to the bottom of the 9th…can’t say I would be disappointed to get Mac back a day early but…
Jake W.
March 22nd, 2009
11:12 pm
The offense that Dunn provides doesn’t outweigh his defensive ineptness. Thank you Frank Wren for not overpaying for this DH.
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
11:12 pm
Cabravesfan
… the dog drank the budwiesers again! How does she open the refrigerator without your permission?
Random
March 22nd, 2009
11:12 pm
Eric from MO (9:05 pm): “I meant Wren was going to sign those guys regardless. If Smoltz wanted to play for us he could for a little money but he was in no way in Wren’s plan.”
I don’t know — I don’t think so. (I mean, I think Wren was definitely counting on the Braves having Smoltz in 2009.)
Remember, Wren’s stated plan for the offseason was to acquire two ML-ready quality starting pitchers (and a slugging LF).
He’d already traded for Vazquez — why sign both Kawakami and Lowe, if he only needed one more SP to fulfill his plan?
‘Cause in the meantime he lost Smoltz. That’s my take on it, at least.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
11:12 pm
sorry- that’s the top of the 9th…my bad
vabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
11:13 pm
Wow I am sooo glad that Dunn’s lost and slow self won’t be roaming the outfield for the braves.
Chop Chop
March 22nd, 2009
11:14 pm
Great defense tonight, baby.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
11:15 pm
N Nine
the part I’m still trying to figure out is how she gets the top off the bottle…no actually she seems to have developed some arthritis in her back ankle so I am taking sympathy on her and letting her be comfortable
BB5795
March 22nd, 2009
11:15 pm
Thanks spotts. I was listening to it on a very static filled broadcast on terestial radio. I have since gone to the ESPN Radio broadcast on XM satellite. That is coming in crystal clear. Unfortunately, I can hear that we’re getting our butts kicked!
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
11:15 pm
Adam Dunn hahahahaha…….. That’s what Davey Johnson just keeps making the wrong choices. Have Adam Dunn be a DH, either Jeter or Rollins the SS, and Victorino, Granderson, and Braun as the 3 outfielders.
Chop Chop
March 22nd, 2009
11:15 pm
Adam Dunn will NEVER play right field in the big leagues. NEVER.
This is why the U.S. team is a disgrace. Do you think Japan or Korea would have a guy so obviously out of position in the field?
No. They’re not stupid.
Frankie Knuckles
March 22nd, 2009
11:15 pm
I wasn’t playing about East Bound. You just have to be in the mood for “silly” comedy or whatever.
Interested Observer
March 22nd, 2009
11:16 pm
Have a safe flight tomorrow, BMac!
Should have played RF, couldn’t have done any worse than Dunn.
Frankie Knuckles
March 22nd, 2009
11:16 pm
Make the classic an every 4 year event and restructure it so the USA can actually show up – and then see what happens
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
11:18 pm
But Random he stated over and over that he would love to have Smoltz and Glavine back but he was going to wait to see how they were rehabing. That doesnt sound like he was counting on them. That sounds more like a last resort.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
11:21 pm
How is the U.S. team a disgrace? They made it to the semifinals. They outlasted the Dominican and Venezuela. You cant win everything.
Frankie Knuckles
March 22nd, 2009
11:22 pm
You have to admire the Japanese’s commitment to baseball. Solid culture.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
11:22 pm
Tomas-
the only problem with your senario (aside from the fact that it is totally logical) is that Jimmy Rollins is clearly better then Jeter so you can’t keep him out of the lineup (he has 4 of the teams 9 hits tonight) but if you keep Captain Derek Jeter out you have to deal with his pouting and general sense of entitlement, which no manager should have to put up with…
Random
March 22nd, 2009
11:23 pm
cabravesfan (10:55 pm): “is there anything wrong with the fact that my dog is currently sprawled on my sofa snoring and I am sitting on the floor?”
Depends on who’s got the pillow.
(And who makes the frig runs.)
Jake W.
March 22nd, 2009
11:24 pm
Well, at least they improved on their 2006 result. Dunn in to close it out. Korea v. Japan round 500
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
11:24 pm
Frankie I do agree to make it every 4 years. I dont really get the three years thing. However, I dont know when would be the right time. If you do it in November or December I believe it is too soon after the season. If you wait til Jan. then the players have to start training in Jan. Believe it or not I think March is the best month to have this but I def. agree move it to every 4 years.
Aaron
March 22nd, 2009
11:24 pm
Rather fittingly, Dunn makes the last out. Game over, Japan wins 9 – 4.
Goodnight everyone.
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
11:24 pm
Adam Dunn strikes out to end the game. How appropriate.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
11:24 pm
Mac’s coming home
Japan beats USA 9-4
winterville
March 22nd, 2009
11:24 pm
That’s appropriate.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 2009
11:24 pm
Meant to say players have to train in Dec.
Frankie Knuckles
March 22nd, 2009
11:25 pm
Later – back to the bread and butter boys
PWHjort
March 22nd, 2009
11:25 pm
And McCann comes home, where he shouldn’t have left in the first place.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
11:25 pm
Random-
She’s got the pillow and I make the fridge runs…
Austin
March 22nd, 2009
11:26 pm
Eric in MO
The team and players are not a disgrace, the manager is a disgrace, and whoever put the team together.
spotts
March 22nd, 2009
11:27 pm
Eric – USA arguably has some of the best and most abundant baseball talent in the world. Except in the US (among fans and players alike) the whole event is being treated with apathy. Seems like every other team is treating the WBC like it’s the World Series.
f.n.hale
March 22nd, 2009
11:27 pm
Is Davey Johnson retarded (pretty sure Joe Morgan is)? Seriously, why is Rollins not playing short and Dunn DHing with anybody else playing right field?
No shame in losing to a very good Japanese team, but geez, you got to give it your best shot, don’t you?
Chop Chop
March 22nd, 2009
11:29 pm
Eric in MO,
The team is a disgrace because it failed. Most of these guys will go back to their big league clubs and not give a damn about failing their country.
(I’m just BSing, man. It’s hard for me to believe that many in this country really take the WBC all that seriously. I know I don’t.)
Schafer's Wafers
March 22nd, 2009
11:30 pm
Thanks for the updates people I just want to send out a little shout to the ball state womens basketball team beating TENNESSEE. Went to Ball State for a couple years this is definitely the biggest in victory in a long time for a great university.
Davey Johnson is retarded
March 22nd, 2009
11:30 pm
Yes I am
Chop Chop
March 22nd, 2009
11:30 pm
In my book, the U.S. won because McCann didn’t get hurt.
Tomas
March 22nd, 2009
11:31 pm
cabravesfan agree’d. If it was up to me I would start Rollins in SS just because he is clearly better(after all he was the 2007 nl mvp award winner and steals a lot of bases).
Davey Johnson is retarded
March 22nd, 2009
11:31 pm
Watching this is like watching the Special Olympics ……….
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
11:32 pm
I agree, nolie. It is not that Ohman would be bad, but that he was/is not a priority. The Braves did the same thing this year that they did last year. They did not make keeping the LRP a priority so they traded for someone that they thought they saw something in (Ohman last year, Logan this year). There were questions last year, there are questions this year. Ohman came through, but there were no guarantees then and there are no guarantees now.
But it should be noted that it is the people being second guessed are the same people who brought Ohman here last year. If you think Ohman turned out good, then there is reason to at least give the Braves’ FO some credit in seemingly being able to see someone who fits what they want to do. If they can get Ohman back for a song and a dance and if they have second thoughts about Logan, I would not be surprised if they are keeping the door open to talks with Ohman, But because they have made some pretty good choices on past trades like this one, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
Besides, as you pointed out, nolie, it is the card we are being delt as of right now, no need in getting too excited about it especially since there is no guarantee either way. Let the games begin! lol
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
11:33 pm
spotts___ I don’t know man, the Asians know how to play pesky ball! We just don’t know them as well. I think WBC was accurate! USA and the Asians rule the baseball world…that makes you 2-4(not a bad day after all)
BB5795
March 22nd, 2009
11:34 pm
Eric from MO, I don’t think there is a perfect time, but the best, in my opinion, would be the ‘last’ 10 days of ST. It gives “our players”, especially the pitchers, more time to get in shape. What do you guys think?
Frankie Knuckles
March 22nd, 2009
11:37 pm
Eric – your probably right about playing now – WBC players would have to prepare earlier. Problem is, the MLB/owners/fans view this tournament as a liability, and it will always be overshadowed by the NCAA tourney. It would be nice to show up one year and take names though.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
11:38 pm
Eric from MO (11:18 pm): “But Random he stated over and over that he would love to have Smoltz and Glavine back but he was going to wait to see how they were rehabing. That doesnt sound like he was counting on them. That sounds more like a last resort.”
What can I say? Actions speak louder than words.
And 3 SPs is not the 2 SPs targeted at the beginning of the offseason.
Why do you think Wren got 3 SPs when he suppoosedly intended to get only 2 this offseason?
Doc Holiday
March 22nd, 2009
11:39 pm
Great night for the “MVP-gold glover” David Wright……. 1 for 5 with 3 straight Ks and a throwing error. You just have to be a heck of a player to perform that way in the semifinals.
Bad thing chipper was not there to see that baseball clinic show.
Doc Holiday
March 22nd, 2009
11:40 pm
And after watching Dunn play tonight, I just thank god Wren didnt get him.
Random
March 22nd, 2009
11:40 pm
cabravesfan (11:25 pm): “She’s got the pillow and I make the fridge runs…”
All’s right with the world, then.
David O'Brien
March 22nd, 2009
11:41 pm
Wow, how good is that kid Yu Darvish? He’s 21 or 22, dad is Iranian, mother Japanese. And his stuff is freakin’ nasty.
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
11:42 pm
Schafer’s Wafers
Definately big props to Ball State for beating Tennessee, one of the premier women’s team in the nation…impressive
cabravesfan
March 22nd, 2009
11:43 pm
Random-
well the good news is I got my couch back…the bad news is she has moved to the bed (and does not like to be moved…)
Frankie Knuckles
March 22nd, 2009
11:43 pm
BB5795 – problem is we’ve already been in this thing over 2 weeks – so they would have to restructure it for the last 10 days idea. Also, i don’t think you could get owners to turn the corner one their studs showing up to the regular season fresh off the WBC. You want those key pieces playing for at least a week ( preferably more ) with their respective club before opening
David O'Brien
March 22nd, 2009
11:44 pm
Doc, makes you wonder how many runs he’d cost a team over the course of a season, doesn’t it? Granted, he’s not a RF, but that was one awful defensive display tonight.
Frankie Knuckles
March 22nd, 2009
11:45 pm
DOC – I agree. Adams one of those guys who puts up a few outstanding numbers on a line. But man, dudes a liability.
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 2009
11:48 pm
Looks like Dunn and Nats will be a happy marriage. Dunn wouldn’t last a month with the New York media.
TnBrian
March 22nd, 2009
11:51 pm
Doc Holliday, he’s David Freakin Wright! He can’t do any wrong…at least in the eyes of the media and his adoring fans.
PTBNL
March 22nd, 2009
11:54 pm
Eric, I don’t know what you mean by “last resort”. But it seems to me that you and Random are pretty much both correct. It seems that Wren was not “counting on” either Smoltz or Glavine to be top of the rotation pitchers this year, but he was looking for (as opposed to counting on) them to both be available for the Braves this season at some point. However, his priority was to get 2 top of the rotation pitchers first (before dealing with either of them). That was my understanding long before the Smoltz issue came up. Thus, it appears that Smoltz pushed Wren before Wren was really wanting to get into it with Smoltz. Because Wren had stated his priorities from the start, I was very surprised when Smoltz started pushing for a contract.
Therefore, when the Sox put Smoltz in a position of guaranteed money at such an early time and he bolted to the Sox, then Wren took the opportunity to get KK. Was Wren just blowing out hot air, all the time, intending to get KK and NOT Smoltz or Glavin (one of them)? Or would Wren have given both Smoltz and Glavin preference once the two top of the rotation guys had been gotten? Who knows? It seems obvious, though, that he would not have gotten all three (Smoltz, Glavin, and KK).
Frankie Knuckles
March 22nd, 2009
11:56 pm
Tn – Its cause chicks dig the long ball – loved that advert in my youth
John Smoltz
March 22nd, 2009
11:58 pm
HI DOB…just thought I’d drop by and let you and my former teams fans how I’m progressing. Well, things couldn’t be going any smoother for me and all of my interviews with the Boston media. WOW, they have me working overtime, which I love! Anyways, you should write a story in the AJC about my progress. See, what people fail to understand…..
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
12:00 am
She’s got the pillow and I make the fridge runs CABF
The priorities are still in the right order. She seems to have trained you well.
kirkinga
March 23rd, 2009
12:02 am
stupup74, no worries, some have just forgotten how bad things were for lefty relievers before Ron Mahay and Will Ohman.
There are some very knowledgeable Braves fans who believe Boone Logan, who has pitched 110.1 innings in the majors over 3 seasons…and given up 16 HR’s, is the equivalent of Ohman.
Effective lefty relievers don’t grow on trees.The Braves picked correctly with Mahay and Ohman, but they had better track records.
I got no problem with trading away O’Flaherty and Boone and using that $805,000 to go get Ohman.But that’s not likely to happen. We’ll just have added excitement in the pen this year!
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
12:02 am
There was no reason for Smoltz to sign a contract that early in the off-season in my opinion.
cabravesfan
March 23rd, 2009
12:04 am
nolie-
if nothing else I am a well trained dog owner
TnBrian
March 23rd, 2009
12:04 am
Smoltzy, just give it a rest! We miss you, but we have bigger fish to fry, pal! Good luck and GOOD RIDDANCE
John Smoltz
March 23rd, 2009
12:06 am
TnBrian, shutup you TN. redneck! I’m from Michigan BI-!
John Smoltz
March 23rd, 2009
12:10 am
PWHjort, you shutup too, you pencil neck geek! Yeah, I know you and I’d love to meet you in the boxing ring. Oh yeah, I box, give great interviews, play golf with Tiger, and I’m a HOF pitcher. What do you do besides run your fingers across a keyboard….WOW, what a womaniser.
Frankie Knuckles
March 23rd, 2009
12:15 am
You know whats cool – people pretending to be other people on the blog. Smoltz is gone. Quite honestly my eyes watered up when I heard the news. Things and people change folks.
BB5795
March 23rd, 2009
12:16 am
The real Smoltz is educated and intelligent. He wouldn’t have mispelled womanizer.
Frankie Knuckles
March 23rd, 2009
12:18 am
True, Smoltz is intelligent. Hes one of those ballplayers you know would have gotten wealthy without baseball. But, my previous post still stands
KC
March 23rd, 2009
12:21 am
N Nine (eta14) and Eric from MO: I posted a response earlier, but for some reason, I don’t think it ever appeared.
Yes, what I’ve seen from Francoeur thus far HAS made me a believer.
First of all, I find it humorous that some people act like it’s preposterous to suggest that he’ll hit .295… when he hit .293 just the season before last.
I seriously doubt he’ll hit .260 or 270 with 16-17 homers or whatever as some have suggested. I’ve said all along that I thought Francoeur would wither bounce back all the way or not at all. And given what we’ve seen so far, I’ll wager on the former.
He’s never seen the ball as well as he’s seeing it now after these winter adjustments. 43 at-bats – ONE strikeout and SIX walks. And if you include the WBC exhibition games, I’m nearly positive it’s 7 or 8 walks.
He’s not hitting for power yet, but that will come. There are a lot of opposing pitchers trying to win a big league job, and they’re aware of Francoeur’s rep as a wild hacker… so they’re not giving him much to drive right now.
The beautiful thing is that’s he’s not taking the bait. He’s not swinging at anything he shouldn’t. And when he gets a pitch he can work with, he just drives it where it’s pitched. Doesn’t try to do too much. Doesn’t get himself out as he did last year. Pitchers are going to have to work a hell of a lot harder to get him out than they did last year… and I think they’ll have to work harder than they did in 2007 when he hit .293.
And eventually, opposing pitchers will get the point that he’s not going to do them any favors and get himself out. When that happens, he’ll get more to hit, and we’ll see the power. Especially if he hits in the middle of the order (and I think he will)… he’s going to get challenged by other teams pitching around Chipper. So he’ll get pitches to drive. Besides, he’s got enough natural ability that if he can just continue to put the fat part of the bat on the ball consistently, he’ll hit 15 out by accident.
I’m not predicting 30 homers. I won’t even wager on 25. But I’ll bet on 20 homers.
Anyway, I’m not a high stakes guy, but I enjoy a friendly bet, and I’m more than happy to wager with you gentlemen.
cabravesfan
March 23rd, 2009
12:21 am
well I am off to try to remove the dog from my bed…goodnight all!
KC
March 23rd, 2009
12:22 am
N Nine & ERIC, email me at kccjr1@gmail.com, and we’ll work out the terms. I’m good for it if you are.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
12:23 am
OOPS… meant to say: “I’ve said all along that I think Francoeur will EITHER bounce back all the way or not at all”
Supes
March 23rd, 2009
12:26 am
KC, I almost wanna take you up on your Jeff F. “bet”, but I just can’t bring myself to root against the guy. Make no mistake, criticism toward him will not be spared, but I DO NOT root against the man as long as he’s wearing the ATL Braves colors.
If here were to hit anything close to those “numbers”, I’d be very happy with that.
I haven’t watched much from this SHAM that is the WBC, but I did watch tonight (mainly b/c nothing else worth watching was on, and I wanted to see B-Mac hit). Well, B-Mac DID NOT disappoint. What a terrific hitting catcher he’s become, and I’m amazed at his plate selection and discipline (at any point in the count).
My other observation is…Jimmy Rollings can FLAT out STILL RAKE IT. Last year, he was injuried a bit, and his numbers dipped, and I thought he lost a “step” or was a bit slower at the plate and hitting with less power. Well, throw that out in 2009. The way the guy hit in the WBC, he could very well win another NL MVP.
I dislike the Phillies, but man do I wish Jimmy Rollings was on the Braves.
Oh, and the WBC USA roster is a joke, as half of our best players weren’t even featured, plus our best pitchers weren’t there as well.
USA will never win this tournament the way it’s currently structured.
If Bud Seiling was REALLY serious about this, he should take a 3 week “break” (instead of having an all star game that season), when the all-star game is, around JULY, suspend the MLB season for 3 weeks, and host the “event then”.
I guarantee USA (if they send their best players at that time), will win it.
One last thing, congrats to DOB on his Kansas Jayhawks winning tonight over Dayton.
PTBNL
March 23rd, 2009
12:29 am
either…. wither….. what’s the difference? lol
Whether the weather be cold
Whether the weather be hot
Whether the weather be good
Whether the weather be not
Whatever the weather
He weathered the weather
Weather he liked it or not.
PTBNL
March 23rd, 2009
12:29 am
oops
Whether he liked it or not.
lol
N Nine (eta13)
March 23rd, 2009
12:30 am
KC___The best news this spring has to be Frenchy! If he does adjust to the pitchers, he could easily become an All-star. Not a stretch at all. His youth got to him, not stubborn like Andruw. He wants to better himself. That Santana walk speaks volume…gotta love it I’ll bet you two tootsie rolls. Deal?
BB5795
March 23rd, 2009
12:30 am
I’m so blurry-eyed after reading that long blog of KC’s. I think I read “War and Peace” in less time. Anyway, I’m just kidding KC and I agree with you. Don’t forget, this guy is arguably one of the best defensive right fielders in the game. He doesn’t need real big stats to stay there. Good night, everybody.
Frankie Knuckles
March 23rd, 2009
12:31 am
Good night folks, bout to fire up the DVR and catch the season finale of East Bound.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
12:31 am
QUESTION… could the plan really still be to sent Heyward and Freeman to Myrtle Beach in a week or two???
I mean, I know they’re not going to be in the big leagues yet, but as well as they’ve hit off a mixture of AA, AAA, and big league pitching… does it really make any sense to send them all the way down to Myrtle Beach???
I would think Mississippi is the most sensible destination for them.
Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
12:33 am
If that’s the REAL John Smoltz, grandmaw is Heidi Fleiss…
TexasBrave
March 23rd, 2009
12:36 am
KC I have asked the same question and agree. Especially with Heyward. Freeman may need a half a season at MB.
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
12:37 am
“…dad is Iranian, mother Japanese. And his stuff is freakin’ nasty.” -DOB
You can see his stuff? Hi Def is out of control.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
12:37 am
N Nine (eta13), LOL… deal.
Yeah, an 0-2 with a walk doesn’t look impressive in the box score, but that was a damned fine at-bat against Santana.
That’s another think Francoeur is doing now that I’ve NEVER seen him come close to doing… he’s working counts and fouling pitches off with 2 strikes to stay alive. I think he made Santana throw him -I think it was 8 or 9 pitches. I wonder if Francoeur has ever had an 8 or 9 pitch at-bat prior to this spring! LOL
I though Francoeur would probably look much better this spring… but I didn’t expect him to look entirely different. I mean, so far, he’s transformed himself from hacker to HITTER. Hopefully, he’ll carry that into the season. Can’t see why he wouldn’t.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
12:37 am
KC, they’ll be in Mississippi after 2 months.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
12:41 am
SUPES, well it’s an open invitation. The bet will remain on the table. =)
KC
March 23rd, 2009
12:43 am
PWHjort, yeah could be. It’s just hard for me to picture them going all the way down to A ball in a week or two after hitting so well off ML and near-ML quality pitching. What’s the point?
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
12:54 am
Is it just me or are the Asian teams actually playing a superior brand of baseball?
I really believe they are. Our World Series is looking like something other than what we think it is. The USA was just simply out manned against a fundamentally sound Japanese team that doesn’t make mistakes.
Saltywoody
March 23rd, 2009
12:56 am
Bub=good for a belly laugh usually once every three pages. It’s like clockwork.
Steve McP
March 23rd, 2009
12:57 am
Coach, actually the USA team was simply outmanned against a fundamentally sound Japanese team that did not include Adam Dunn’s mistakes
KC
March 23rd, 2009
1:03 am
Seeing the Japanese team makes me feel that much better about Kawakami. Some people look at the Japaneses league as though it’s the equivalent of minor league baseball. Clearly that’s not the case. I still believe the level of competition in MLB is certainly better… but I don’t think it’s easy to be a superstar in Japan. I suspect the level of play over there is somewhere in between AAA and MLB here in the US.
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
1:04 am
Steve, I agree. The team USA roster was a mess. Our big league owners and players haven’t as of yet shown the commitment to the WBC that other countries and their players have.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
1:06 am
On the calendar schedule at Braves.com, when a game is televised, it lists the name of the network covering the game that day using abbreviations.
SPSO = SportsSouth
But what in the world is CSS??
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
1:11 am
KC, I’m not sure as to the overall level of play but I do know the Elite Japanese players are playing.
You see, Japan only has twelve teams. Of which, four foreign born players are allowed on each roster which if you really think about it, makes the competition among native Japanese athletes even tougher.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
1:19 am
… does it really make any sense to send them all the way down to Myrtle Beach??? KC
makes a lot of sense to me. MB is a pitcher’s paradise and a great place to get a read on just how good a hitter can be . Let’s see what they can do there.In 22 ABs Heyward hit .182 there. Doesn’t indicate to me that he conquered that level or anything and Freeman never even got there at all. I think it would be very premature to skip over it altogether. If they shine they can always be advanced.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
1:25 am
The point is they want to keep minor leaguers on track. If you skip a level entirely you may not learn something that you need to learn. Development happens at every stage. At some levels pitchers start throwing breaking balls. If you skipped that level all together you may not ever learn to hit breaking balls. This is a huge oversimplification and in reality that level is about 8th grade, but you get the idea.
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
1:32 am
Francoeur does look great doesn’t he? But only time and competition will tell as to whether or not Frenchy hits for much power.
I do have my doubts about Kenshin Kawakami. I can name on one hand the number of Japanese pitchers who have had a reasonable amount of success in ML baseball.
Hideo Nomo, Mac Suzuki, Diasuke Matsuzaka and that’s it. The Yankees Chien-Ming Wang was born in Taiwan. We will have to wait and see if Kawakami can make the adjustment.
Schafer's Wafers
March 23rd, 2009
1:32 am
PWHjort and nolie,
I understand what you are saying but these guys have proven they can hit breaking balls, they could really excel by being at AA. I would love to be at AA but I see and think that they will be at Myrtle Beach as well.
Runnin
March 23rd, 2009
1:33 am
KC and Coach, it’s not only about level of play. It’s team execution, which the Japanese and Korean team have plenty of. I think the WBC just means so much more to them than to the American team.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
1:38 am
nolie, you could be right. Just seems like Miss. is the most sensible place right now. Guess it doesn’t really matter though. They’ll make their way through the ranks soon enough. Damn good looking pair of kids though, aren’t they?
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
1:42 am
KC, google “CSS Braves” and a bunch of links will pop up.
N Nine (eta13)
March 23rd, 2009
1:49 am
Welcome back Brian McCann!! (doing homer spin dance on the ground) Yep I’m a happy camper this spring!
Getting close to season and next week we should have Chipper and Garret.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
1:49 am
Coach, got it…. I think. Comcast Sports Southeast… does that mean only those with Comcast cable will be able to watch?
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
2:04 am
They’ll make their way through the ranks soon enough. Damn good looking pair of kids though, aren’t they? KC
yep they surely are. Give ‘em some time. 30 Ab in ST doesn’t really prove anything one way or another. I’m guessin’ if they hit well in MB the might get advanced this season, or maybe only at the end like Heyward did last year. They are exciting to look forward to and it’s easy to get impatient, but unless they are needed it’s best to kinda continue the cycle. I’m guessing 2011 starts for both of them.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
2:11 am
KC, I’m not sure as to the overall level of play but I do know the Elite Japanese players are playing. Coach
The general level is considered around AA level, but of course there are stars who are much better Much of their success especially in tournaments is the total team concept that they practice. Doubt it would work in the American pros. Cuba had much the same team approach. I know from what I saw in the minors there was a whole lotta I in team. Which is not surprising as they are competing against each for their livelihoods. Some exceptions , but it wouldn’t be human nature to root too hard for the guys trying to take your job.
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
2:29 am
This is for all you good folks who were questioning the sanity of Davey Johnson because he started Jeter at SS and Rollins as the DH.
The bottom of the eighth in last nights game proved the blog to be correct.
The score was 6-4 with two out when Jeter threw away a routine ground ball, and Japan scored three more runs after the error to put the game on ice.
Davey Johnson gets the donkey award for starting Derek Jeter instead of Jimmy Rollins.
N Nine (eta13)
March 23rd, 2009
2:32 am
Another reason why Davey has no job in MLB and shows how overrated the Yankee captain is.
Bay Area Steve
March 23rd, 2009
3:56 am
Anybody seen the wagon (this is just a test to see why I can’t see a post since 2:32, so, please don’t label me a drunkard, at least for this post)?
Bay Area Steve
March 23rd, 2009
4:12 am
All to myself…where to start? (Note to self, do not call anyone, or Anyone, a douche-bag.)
Carroll, or one of you other fine folks, would you explain her comment about “iturbe” re the Dean Smith/Clemson/Barnes thread? ‘Twas lost on me (shocking, I know).
Whoever called out Coach for the Keyman thing. FREAKin’ beautiful. Caught with the pants down; had a certain Thorman/options ring to it.
And, let me say, for at least the fifth time, you name-changers are awesome. The switch to Keyman was accuracy and subtlety, together like ice and whiskey; made for each other. I guess I’m so impressed because I can’t imagine not wanting credit for the post. I mean, look at me, I post all this drivel under just my name, hoping I can make one salient point.
And, bubd, look out for McFann. I know you used F.A.T., but that was suspect. I think you’re in trouble. But the Hi-Def line was sweet. Well done.
Bay Area Steve
March 23rd, 2009
4:22 am
Baseball:
I have to admit, I seriously wondered why we weren’t going after Dunn, when the rumors were down to $5M per (I know he went at $10M). It’s moments like tonight, when I again realize that there are much smarter minds in charge of our squad. Good grief, even after reading a lot of info saying so, who woulda thought a corner OF could cost a team so much. Then you see it for yourself. Wow. Thank you, Mr. Wren.
Similarly, I’d like to point out a post by PTBNL, regarding Ohman. As he said, there were not many here happy with losing Mahay and signing Ohman. Yet, it turned out fine. Perhaps we should trust the front office to find a suitable replacement again.
And, to the boys knocking Davey Johnson, I agree. Of course, this is after the fact, when it’s so much easier to be right. But Rollins over Jeter at SS, really? And then PH for “The Reaper,” I’ll never understand, unless someone tells me Julian Tavarez had him in a triangle-choke in the third deck.
Bay Area Steve
March 23rd, 2009
4:33 am
UGA, apologies for knocking Count Choppula. While I still think it’s weak, I can get behind anything with a little history.
And, scoots, I’d like to thank you for reading, or at least skimming, all the posts. To go back, see a question to you, and respond a day later, is class. It shows a tremendous amount of respect to your fellow posters. I try to read them all; I wish everyone would do the same. I think it would lessen the repetitive posts, and raise the level of discourse here. I also realize, that many would like my particular brand of douche-bag to go away; to each his own. (It’s OK to call one’s self a douche-bag.)
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
4:34 am
Similarly, I’d like to point out a post by PTBNL, regarding Ohman BA STEVE
yeah that PT can post some good stuff sometimes,especially for a non-stat guy.
but he’s reasonable about it anyway.
actually I thought there were several interesting discussion tonight. Even some I wasn’t in on.
Schafer's Wafers
March 23rd, 2009
4:40 am
BA,
You been hittin the bottle again??
Bay Area Steve
March 23rd, 2009
4:56 am
nolie, always takin’ shots, and nobody plays back; OK, I’ll try.
Hey, nolie, for an old guy, you’re pretty good with them yellowy thingies.
As far as interesting discussion, I’m always in on it. Shoot, I start it. It all originates with me. And, this new Wafer guy’s askin’ an awful weak question. Just sayin’, Francoeur’s (refuse to call him Frenchy) Franks would know the answer.
Schafer's Wafers
March 23rd, 2009
5:02 am
Schafer’s Wafers formerly known as Roach BA
Bay Area Steve
March 23rd, 2009
5:11 am
I saw you mention it earlier, SW, but if you don’t know the answer to that question, you’re new. And, what’s the costume for a Schafer’s Wafer? Vanilla wafer? Silicon wafer? Drunken minds want to know.
N Nine (eta13)
March 23rd, 2009
5:14 am
Please pass one over Bay I need to knock myself to sleep…Thanks in advance
Wafers always good with some milk, yum
Schafer's Wafers
March 23rd, 2009
5:16 am
Im thinkin Vanilla BA…..Probably go good with that early morning snack your gonna be wantin here soon. What ya drinkin Im in need of some whiskey
Bay Area Steve
March 23rd, 2009
5:34 am
Whiskey bad, not recommended for you good Braves’ fans. Slippery slope, and all.
Gotta admit, was hopin’ silicon, SW. Just for the fact that the Hooters’ girls mighta got worked in. Silicon, silicone; Anders, douche; all the same. Sorry Anders, can’t help myself.
(This is some horrible, Silicon-Valley, semi-conductor humor, for those of you who just think I’m an idiot. And, if you think I’m an idiot, you’re very astute.)
Bay Area Steve
March 23rd, 2009
5:38 am
Here, my biannual, unwanted, unwarranted hope, that the self-exiled, extremely-fine folks, who are no longer with us here, choose to return for an occasional visit, to where I first found you.
You’re depriving too many of your talents.
CharlieAlphaBravo
March 23rd, 2009
5:40 am
Don’t know if anybody mentioned this already, but I was watching last week’s Lie to Me episode on Tivo and noticed something pretty cool… In the opening scene the people in the Jeep are rocking out to Three Dimes Down by none other than Mr. Mike Cooley of the Drive-By Truckers. Pretty cool stuff…
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
6:39 am
BASteve, I think you’re giving me a little too much credit, bro, LOL. While I do go back and skim, it’s usually to see if there were some tidbits of info that I might use to my own benefit. Purely selfish, I assure you. HA!
Couch Tater
March 23rd, 2009
6:54 am
Puerto Rico had whistles, Japan has thundersticks….what is it with other countries/territories and annoying accessories??
Ever been to the country of Starkville? In that country, they ring the bells of St. Elsie (a sacred cow) to signify the triumphs of their young warriors. The bells have been quiet of late.
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
7:00 am
Keyman?
I have no idea. Spaceman to steve…come in, over???
Couch Tater
March 23rd, 2009
7:20 am
I suppose Yu Darvish had no problems adjusting to the size of the baseball…
RHR
March 23rd, 2009
7:31 am
KC – I’m not coach but I used to get CSS when I had charter cable so no. I don’t think I have it on directv but I’m not 100% sure, I get every braves game on various channels so it may be on there.
RHR
March 23rd, 2009
7:32 am
Oh weird..when I posted the above the last comment showing was KC’s about comcast. He’s probably gotten the answer a hundred times by now.
18 Wheels of Love
March 23rd, 2009
7:33 am
Did someone say Dr. Leo Spaceman?
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
8:05 am
Am I the only one here wondering if the precipitate decline of ANDRUM JONES’ batting skills is more than natural? I mean, its so glaring and sudden, almost like something changed physiologically rather than emotionally.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
8:05 am
DeRo, now there’s a dude who’s blossomed into a strong, versatile player later than most do….
CharlieAlphaBravo, I haven’t seen that show, but they also used Three Dimes Down playing in background as Shane was gearing up for battle in a scene during one of the final episodes of the dearly departed The Shield.
Speaking of The Shield, thank God we’ve at least got Breaking Away. Not quite as gripping as Shane and Vic and the boys, but a very good show nonetheless.
Jersey Gil
March 23rd, 2009
8:37 am
DOB…Did you think the Braves going after Mike Moustakas 3b from the Royal, KC look has a surplus of 3B (Alex Gordon & Mark teahan) .Look that team need some Pen help. I will Trade Carlyle,Campillo & one position Player for that KID.
brent a.
March 23rd, 2009
8:45 am
i may be imagining things; but, I’m pretty sure I remember Frank Wren talking about the cyclical nature of (left-handed) relief pitching late last year, in vague regard to Will Ohman.
The sense I got from the comments was that he (Wren) didn’t feel that you could count on a lefty-reliever following up one great season, with another one.
People weren’t over-enamored with the Ohman acquisition at the time; yet, he was very solid for us.
The Braves looked to trade him, but refused to get reamed in a trade. Ohman faded down the stretch, and now, he can’t find a home.
There seems to be more to this than just the Braves choosing O’Flaherty and Logan over Ohman.
One would think that somebody would’ve seen fit to sign Ohman by now, wouldn’t you?
I still think back to those comments his wife made back over the winter. I wish I could hear the tone in her voice.
Daniel
March 23rd, 2009
9:13 am
brent-
I appreciate your comments. I have been wondering all spring long why Ohman hasn’t signed with a team yet. I kinda understand the Braves waiting to see what they could get from some cheaper left handed alternatives. Obviously, what we get is a fire storm of hits. But, I am really suprised that no other team has picked him up yet. What do you think the reason is Dave? Is there something about Ohman’s arm that we don’t know? Are all the teams waiting for the next round of roster cuts? I do know the Braves would be better with him.
TnBrian
March 23rd, 2009
9:18 am
brent, you know, baseball players,GM’s,and coaches can be pretty supersticious, so maybe they feel Ohman is a BAD Ohman. They might look at us last year and think, damn, Atl. just had it’s worst year since ‘90 and Will was there. Now, either I’m just tired and foggy brained or I might have a point to what I’m saying.
Hillbilly
March 23rd, 2009
9:25 am
One of my all-time favorite lines in a song:
“If the part about being who he was
couldn’t help Tom get loose,
What’s a guy without a T. gonna get?
Totally screwed while chicken-wing puke
eats the candy-apple red off his corvette.”
–Three Dimes Down, DBT
Random
March 23rd, 2009
9:32 am
richbraveM/strong> (8:05 am): “Am I the only one here wondering if the precipitate decline of ANDRUM JONES’ batting skills is more than natural?”
You mean supernatural?
Yeah, maybe Papa Legba rode his horse hard and put it up wet.
And then kicked the dog and killed the chicken.
Spooky.
(Or did you mean “less than natural”, or unnatural?)
Dadgum
March 23rd, 2009
9:33 am
RichBrave and others…..Andruw’s fall from the elite has probably never been equaled. Chuck Knoblach comes to mind at 2nd base but at least he went to another position and could hit. Rick Ankiel as a pitcher comes to mind. When the fans behind the screen start to duck when you pitch, that’s not good. But again he found new life in teh outfield and can hit. So, no, Andruw has hit deeper than rock bottom. Couple his hitting demise with losing a step defensively and you have brand new territory discovered. I say all this with hopes he can get back close to his old self. He will have to start over again in the minors and play every day. Maybe something will click but I won’t lose any sleep over it.
Is it just me or does every single Japanese player bat left-handed and swing the same. Oh yeah, and very good at that. They made Oswalt look horrendous. Japan was the better team (by far) although I understand it was early in ST for our guys. Still you can’t make excuses. When you have Mark Derosa playing 1st base, well, you aren’t playing with a full deck. That’s a head-scratcher.
Which brings me to Adam Dunn. Everybody on this blog should personally send an e-mail to Frank Wren thanking him for not paying that stiff to suit up in a Braves uniform. There is a good reason he can’t play in the NL. He has literally no spot on the field to play. NONE. The DH has let him to continue to play in Anaheim. BTW, I hate the damn DH. Good for old worn out players but bad for baseball.
Rock on….
bravofan
March 23rd, 2009
9:36 am
DOB what are the chances that Andruw is in the Braves organization assuming the Rangers releasing him? DOB think the braves will make any trades and who would we get in return? anybody else with thoughts feel free to answer
McFann :Ô:
March 23rd, 2009
9:43 am
Bay Area Steve And, bubd, look out for McFann. I know you used F.A.T., but that was suspect. I think you’re in trouble.
Ah, he’s OK…we all know McCann’s not fat anymore…
McFann :Ô:
March 23rd, 2009
9:48 am
Too bad they had to lose to Japan, but hey…BMAC’S COMING HOME!! Yeeee-yabba-dabba-doo!! Just in time for those televised games…
Let’s let Third Day take us out on this one:
Even though you’ve broken my heart
I’ll love you just the same
I’ll love you anyway
Never mind your worries
Never mind your fears
They can only take you far from me
When you feel there’s nowhere
Left for you to turn
Well, I got all you want
And everything you need
Come on back to me!
Random
March 23rd, 2009
9:49 am
Dadgum (9:33 am): “Which brings me to Adam Dunn. . . . There is a good reason he can’t play in the NL. He has literally no spot on the field to play. NONE. The DH has let him to continue to play in Anaheim. BTW, I hate the damn DH. Good for old worn out players but bad for baseball.”
? ? ? ? ?
Dunn went from his only ever team the Reds to the Diamondbacks last year, and is currently signed with the Nationals. Where are you getting Anaheim and DH from — you must be thinking of someone else?
Clap on . . .
Clap off.
Dadgum
March 23rd, 2009
9:51 am
Nolie…not sure what you mean by comparing the general level of play in Japan to AA. Remember, my denizen friend, that AA ball here is where the majority of the young major league talent plays. There is a reason why the Braves pitching coach here in Richmond, Guy Hanson, left for Myrtle Beach and A-ball. To quote, “it gets a little depressing to be around players that think they have the talent to play at the major league level but really don’t. I am going to A-ball where they have talent and will still listen”. Word to the wise…don’t buy the notion that Japanese pro players are sub-major league level.
Rock on……early best new show goes to Lie To Me, still Friday Night Lights rocks!
Dadgum
March 23rd, 2009
9:53 am
Random….Thanks. I stand corrected. No I was thinking Dunn just wrong team. Which begs the question…what were the Nationals thinking?
Rock on….
spotts
March 23rd, 2009
10:01 am
good song, McFann
spotts
March 23rd, 2009
10:02 am
Which begs the question…what were the Nationals thinking?
Nationals don’t think, Dadgum.
spotts
March 23rd, 2009
10:03 am
see – Alfonso Soriano
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
10:09 am
RANDOM:
No RANDOM, I mean physiologically wrong. Deteriorating eye-hand coordination because of some latent health issue. Do clubs routinely moniter their star players’ abilities in this area? With the monies tossed around today, I would hope so. Aside from suspended HGH or steroid use, it appears that something’s physically wrong. It can’t be all in his head. He never gave the appearance that much bothered him emotionally anyway.
Slugger
March 23rd, 2009
10:16 am
I blame Team USA for starting a righty against that lineup. I blame Davey for not starting Rollins in right field instead of Dunn. Rollins is a SS, so he can play anywhere except for behind the dish.
Howell and Thornton had the Japanese hitters guys swinging out of the hand while they dug in against all our righties.
The USA must really not care about winning this thing if they couldn’t pry a lefty out of some camp and bring him in like with Longoria.
Think Japan would hit CC, David Price or Cliff Lee?
Where were Josh Hamilton and Ian Kinsler? They are two of the best position players the US could offer? I thought Hamilton would love to represent the USA like that.
Markakis played for team greece in the olympics, but he’s 100% American. Why not grab Markakis?
The Japanese don’t play a better brand of baseball, either. Those players just aren’t in ’spring training’ mode.
Bring that Japanese squad back and face the best US has to offer in October, and watch them get shut out and knocked around the park.
They all have too much movement in their swings to be successful against a LH pitcher (the japanese left-handed batters) with any sort of VELO.
Daniel
March 23rd, 2009
10:18 am
rich-
I think Andruw’s decline is due to several elements. 1) He has never been a physical specimen, and his work out regime is been very poor. 2) The testing in baseball for performance enhancers. 3) He is several years older than we think he is.
When he broke in with the Braves he was probably closer to 23 than 19
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
10:19 am
mcfann love that song….
also, comparing the level of play in japan to AA is one thing. but keep in mind there were several MLB players on that team last night, and it was the best of the best from japan. those guys could play.
Dadgum
March 23rd, 2009
10:22 am
Don’t the Braves have to sign Ohman? I mean we are thinking of keeping Glavine around at an extra million when we have an abundance of starting pithcing. I don’t see where we have an abundance of good LH pitching in the pen. Frankly, I would take Glavine off the roster as one of the cuts this week. Save some money and give it to Ohman.
Does anyone seriously think that Glavine (he of the 83 mph 4-seamer)will make the 25 man roster? Really?
Rock on….
getnathan
March 23rd, 2009
10:24 am
Am I the only one concerned about our left handed reliever. Logan is going to be inconsistent, and O’Flaherty is just no good. Logan walked two consecutive left handed hitters yesterday. O’Flaherty got tattooed. I think Braves need Ohman.
McFann :Ô:
March 23rd, 2009
10:35 am
Thanks, Spotts!
DAP–
Me, too. Listened to it on my ‘Pod this morning thought it would be perfect…at least that particular part of it, anyway.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
10:37 am
nolie, I have to respectfully disagree about the level of talent in Japan. I think “AA” is considerably underselling them. I don’t think we can realistically chalk all of their WBC success up to teamwork. There is good talent over there. Especially since they’ve kept it concentrated to 12 teams.
Again, in my view, the level of play there is in between AAA and MLB.
Big Easy
March 23rd, 2009
10:38 am
Nice to see McFann breaking out the Third Day this morning….
~E~
CB
March 23rd, 2009
10:40 am
Guys,everybody needs to calm down.I read the posts yesterday about Ohman and thought we were talking about Sandy Koufax.Trust the management and look at the improvement in the roster.As fans we should be thrilled with our future
Mekons
March 23rd, 2009
10:43 am
Am I the only one concerned about our left handed reliever.
Um, have you actually read this blog? By my count, yours is the 698th identical comment.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
10:50 am
bravofan You aren’t seriously trying to start the “sign Andruw to a minor league deal” call again are you. Exactly what has Andruw done this spring that would change anyone’s mind about where he is in his career. He’s DONE, FINISHED, CAPUT (sp?). I loved watching Andruw as much as anyone when he was roaming CF as no one else has, but the guy is done. Unless he makes DRASTIC changes to his approach to hitting, he will never be an effective MLB player again. And exactly what has he done the last 3 years to show that he is willing to make changes and listen to others when it comes to his offense? He’s done the opposite, he’s shown that he is stubborn and thinks that only he’s knows best for Andruw.
Jackie Treehorn
March 23rd, 2009
10:51 am
DOB, did you tune into Breaking Bad last night? Another awesome episode.
Question though: wouldn’t Walt’s fingerprints be all over the M-16, along with Tuco’s? I don’t know how it works in New Mexico, but you would think they would have Walt’s prints on file because he’s a teacher.
Walt’s wife is PISSED. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Cru Jones
March 23rd, 2009
10:51 am
Schafer’s Wafer’s
I cant believe you stole my name.
Cru Jones
March 18th, 2009
3:17 pm
TheManMike
Shcafer’s Wafer’s (patent pending)
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/18/hanson-vs-wright-less-mets/comment-page-4/#comments
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
10:51 am
And to answer your question so DOB doesn’t have to bother going there again….the chances of the Braves signing him……ZERO
BA
March 23rd, 2009
10:52 am
I disagree with anybody that tries to sell Japan short (maybe the first time I’ve ever disagreed with Nolie). Their shortstop, 3b (Murata, not the replacement guy last night) and LF could all start in the Majors, and their RF,CF,C and 2b already are starting in MLB.
And the pitchers- Iwakuma, Darvish- and that reliever last night (Mahara)was throwing 95 with a nasty slider.
I think the Far East is catching up to us in regards to talent. And they play the game the right way- clearly the baseball gods appreciate this kind of thing, because I think Japan will win this thing again.
And maybe next time, get a real manager for USA. And stay away from the errant NY infielders. There’s not a reason in the world that Johnson should have been starting Jeter over Rollins at short.
crap-wheelie
March 23rd, 2009
10:53 am
Great. Now that the WBC farce is over, McCann can come home and learn how to catch three new pitchers.
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
10:57 am
DANIEL:
That’s a good post. Logical.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
10:59 am
Daniel Great point about Andruw’s age, other than himself and his parents, who really knows how old the guy is.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
11:05 am
crap-wheelie, agreed.
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
11:06 am
Another subject. GIL in MECHANICSVILLE and I both said that PRADO was a more mature and complete player here in RICHMOND in ‘07 than LiLBRIDGE. Brent’s bat was slow. Its hard to speed up a slow bat in MLB. Lots of work over time. I think the BRAVES just didn’t need to wait on the “BRIDGE” and dealt him. MARTIN is a solid player and probably could be a starter and improve slightly. I would be surprised if he’s not moved during the season or next off-season with both ANDERSON and SCHAFER on the scene. I feel he’s better all round RIGHT NOW than ANDERSON, but the two seem fairly close at this point. I feel JOSH’s upside is also limited. To me, choosing between them is like tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee. In which case I would keep the younger player.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
11:07 am
BlawgDawg, yeah it certainly seems odd that a guy would fizzle out at 30 years old (which is how old he was when this precipitous decline began). I can’t imagine that he could of gotten away with exaggerating his age by 6 or 7 years though. So even if he’s about to turn 35 instead of 32… that would mean he fizzled out at 33, which would still be surprising.
McFann :Ô:
March 23rd, 2009
11:08 am
Thanks, Big Easy! Gonna be good to see BMac back where he belongs! (It’s ’cause I wanted USA to beat Japan that they lost…maybe it was reverse psychology…)
Jersey Gil
March 23rd, 2009
11:08 am
I can’t believe still some guys discussing Andrew Jones in this Blog…AJ is done, finish, or Terminado, he problaly end up in Japan,Mexico or Working with his Pal Javy Lopez in his Bat Company.
The last couple of day i Post a ? to CR & DOB about ours 3b situation, What it the Future for the Braves in Third Base. Chipper is getting old and i don’t see in ours system a replacement. Van Pope, Eric Campbell are not the answers. The only posibility is covert Brando Hicks to third this year in the Minor, this kid have some Pop in his bat, the other solution is thru trade, get some propect for the 2011 season ready.
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
11:14 am
And much to my chagrin, I look up stats to see if my gut feeling in backed up and find the ANDERSON is the older player by over a year. PRADO may have more trade value however off his 2008 performance in ATLANTA. He stepped up considerably over his minor league play.
Lew
March 23rd, 2009
11:15 am
I wonder if Andruw can pitch?
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
11:18 am
jersey gil i always laugh about folks being worried about our 3B replacement. chipper is several years away from being done, guys. a replacement for 3B should not be our concern. our concern should be extending chipper’s contract. like ive said before, chipper’s replacement might not be out of high school yet.
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
11:21 am
LEW:
If he cna sign him up for a commercial weight-loss program.
Josh H
March 23rd, 2009
11:22 am
richbrave:
Prado’s trade value will probably never be higher.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
11:22 am
McCann had some fabulous at bats last night….
mbatl
March 23rd, 2009
11:25 am
I just can’t see us trading Prado unless we get a better major league infielder in return, which seems unlikely. If we traded him, we’d have Infante backing up 2B, 3B, probably CF and some SS – with Diory Hernandez the only other option for 2B/SS, and given his fielding this spring (and his hitting too, for that matter), hard to imagine that happening.
’scoots, whatever your motivations, lol, do appreciate your comments on Campbell. I keep telling myself maybe he’ll work out – but of course that’s based on nothing more than his hitting stats (when he’s happy enough to be on the field) and my own hopes. I knew he had problems but didn’t know it involved depression.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
11:26 am
KC Yeah, fizzling out at 33 would still be surprising, but when you figure that Andruw has never been a guy that took care of his body the way a lot of pro athletes do, there is an explanation for it. I don’t really think that Andruw was taking any steroids or HGH(though I certainly wouldn’t be shocked if it ever came out that he did, I wouldn’t be shocked by anyone coming out other than maybe Greg Maddux) But when you’ve played the number of games that he has, 3 or 4 years could really make that big of a difference, especially if he wasn’t using steroids or HGH.
I just find it sad that Andruw let it get to this point. If he had been mature enough a few years ago to listen to people that were trying to help him instead of sticking with the “I’m a pull hitter” attitude, maybe things would be a little different.
But enough from me about Andruw, I think this is an exciting time to be a Braves fan, and I’m looking forward to seeing the new crop of talent (hopefully) help the Braves become contenders again.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
11:28 am
Anyone’s bracket look good, mine looks more like a spoke than a whole bracket…
Did Froggy get his BB versus Johan yesterday ?
Daniel
March 23rd, 2009
11:29 am
I know that we are all spoiled by how much attention DOB gives to the blog. But, man can you help us understand this left handed bullpen situation.
Random
March 23rd, 2009
11:30 am
Josh H (11:22 am): “Prado’s trade value will probably never be higher.”
Maybe.
More to the point — Prado’s trade value will probably never be high.
Leastways, not high enough that the Braves would ever be tempted to trade one of their most invaluble bench players.
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
11:30 am
I should be CF for Atlanta….. Anderson cannot hit good pitching !
Daniel
March 23rd, 2009
11:30 am
I am alright dogsbrekky, I got 13 out 16 with all my elite 8 still in play. I am kinda upper middle of the pack right now, but if things go my way I can finish strong
Jersey Gil
March 23rd, 2009
11:31 am
Don’t be so sure DAP..look what happen to Smoltzy…
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
11:31 am
Daniel – I got destroyed on my outsiders round 1 and some close losses
I am in 1.3 millionth position out of like 1.5 Million
PIZZARO
March 23rd, 2009
11:33 am
Do the Mets and braves play again this spring? I haven’t taken anything from the head to head games since both teams (especially Mets) were short handed because of the WBC.
Daniel
March 23rd, 2009
11:34 am
sorry to here that, did you do the 680 bracket?
Daniel
March 23rd, 2009
11:35 am
Hey Schaefer Oliterator… can you hit leadoff?
Jersey Gil
March 23rd, 2009
11:39 am
Pizarro…we done with the Mutt…Our Schedule is: Pit,Was,Tor,Det,NYY,Bos,Hous,Det,Hous,Det.
cphizzle
March 23rd, 2009
11:40 am
ok i know i ask this every other day, but i keep hoping one day i will get the answer im looking for. somebody please tell me dish network has picked up peachtree tv. i must have it before this season starts.
Jersey Gil
March 23rd, 2009
11:41 am
My Bracket is 14 out 16….Wake Forrest kill my bracket in my final four.
Jersey Gil
March 23rd, 2009
11:42 am
But i still has Kansas in the elite 8
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
11:42 am
I had UCLA to beat ‘Nova and Marquette to do Maryland…. oops
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
11:43 am
I am really good and can hit anywhere in the line-up but feel Chipper is a better nos 3 and McCann a better 4, but I am the next best Brave…
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
11:45 am
Well, I precipitated all this in my mind by thinking that I didn’t want to go into the season with ANDERSON starting in center. But he has no options. SCHAFER does, and I suppose its time to see what JOSH has got. There’s no other CF prospect that I’ve forgotten about currently vying in ST for a CF slot is there other than BLANCO? I keep thinking that we may pull off a trade for that position and PRADO came to mind. But I like our bench lots and we do need him behind JOHNSON.
No way JEFF FRANCOUR, GARRETT ANDERSON or MATTY DIAZ could play center I suppose. JF’s got a full “plate” with the stick. He doesn’t need to be moving around, not that he could necessarily.
BA
March 23rd, 2009
11:46 am
Daniel, I bet they carry Logan and O’Flaherty- with Ridgeway stuck at AAA getting called out in the newspaper by his manager again.
And Jersey Gil called it. I like the free agent signings the Braves did this winter, and I like Vazquez.
But if I learned anything for certain this offseason, it’s that the Braves front office has zero sense of loyalty to franchise-type veterans- and could care less what their fanbase thinks. If Smoltz is disposable, what will that make Chipper come free-agent time? Are they going to offer him 3 million in incentives for a year?
Lew
March 23rd, 2009
11:47 am
RichBrave-Yeah, I’m surprised that no one has suggested Andruw learn how to throw left handed and become a reliever. The Jenny Craig clause is a good idea, too. It has the potential to go down in ML history along with Tommy Johnson surgery. “Dude’s already had TJ surgery and a JC clause.”
PIZZARO
March 23rd, 2009
11:50 am
Jersey Gil…..It seems like those “spring training” games have got you excited.
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
11:50 am
jersey gil if the worst does happen, wren screws up and we lose chipper after this year,. there are several pretty good 3B free agents available, and the braves will once again have some money to spend. the best of the bunch is troy glaus. here is a list of 2010 free agents, you can scroll down to see the 3rd basemen.
BA
March 23rd, 2009
11:51 am
I think Blanco’s already heading north on I-85, Richbrave. Gwinnett is going to be a AAA powerhouse.
They might trade Prado or Infante, but I bet they are hesitant, considering the amount of time Jones and Escobar missed last season.
And I believe Francoeur could play CF. But I don’t believe it will EVER happen.
Frank from KS
March 23rd, 2009
12:05 pm
Breaking news…….Curt Schilling retires following 23 major league seasons.
I still remember him pitching for the Phils in 93 and sinking us in the playoffs that year.
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
12:13 pm
what sucks is that wren could have gotten hinske AND ohman for what he paid anderson. clearly, anderson is a better overall player than hinske and has alot of experience, but hinske would have been an awesome platoon guy with diaz…and was much cheaper. (sign with the pirates for about $1mil)
Daniel
March 23rd, 2009
12:19 pm
BA- I totally buy what you are saying and I hate it. I just don’t get the fascination with Logan
18 Wheels of Love
March 23rd, 2009
12:19 pm
We can can get into woulda and coulda scenarios but the ultimate one that I would have liked to have seen would have been us taking Josh Hamilton in the rule 5 a few years ago. Would have been nice in LF the last 2 years…for next to nothing too.
Daniel
March 23rd, 2009
12:20 pm
I had Florida State, Marguette and WVU to make the sweet sixteen. Other than that I am in good shape
MFin04
March 23rd, 2009
12:21 pm
Did anyone see McCann’s at bats at the WBC? He looked real sharp. He also looks like he is in pretty good shape. Dropped a few pounds and it shows. I really think he is going to be top 5 in NL MVP voting this year.
Daniel
March 23rd, 2009
12:21 pm
Good grief yes, 18 wheels the Braves and every other major league team wishes they had that chance again.
Cyrus
March 23rd, 2009
12:24 pm
Where is this Dave O’Brien character ? I think he is out celebrating his Jayhawk victory yesterday or out sitting in the sun with Bradley in Florida. Just some random and disturbing thoughts.
chuckw/deadjournalist
March 23rd, 2009
12:30 pm
if it is anderson in center, then the question becomes, to me brandon jones or gregor blanco as the fifth outfielder. b. jones is a bit redundant of a player (ie not a CF) and would best be suit for the g-braves. he’s had a good spring, and of anyone not named josh anderson, to me, he’s the most likely position player to be moved via a trade.
i know prado’s value may be high, but to he, he’s nearly untouchable in a trade. since he can play 2nd, 3rd and 1st he makes up for the slots infante can’t (SS and OF). but that bat – that bat is what keeps him around. the more versatility, the better because i think prado starts at least twice a week – once a week for c. jones and once a week for k. johnson. assuming that c. jones will miss at least 20 games of which prado could start, and you’re talking about a guy who might get 70 starts this season. that’s 300+ plate appearances (including when he pitch-hits).
looking at the bench (and position their primary/secondary back-up positions) if j. anderson and g. anderson start:
diaz: 2nd LF, 3rd C (remember, he started out as a catcher in the minors)
norton: 3rd LF, 2nd 1b
prado: 2nd 2nd, 2nd 3rd, 3rd 1B
infante: 2nd SS, 2nd/3rd CF
ross: 2nd C
if they go with 12 pitchers, there’s your bench (obviously, any of the OF could play RF in a pitch). if they go with 11 pitchers out of the gate my guess is they would go with another outfielder which would be … blanco.
blanco had a good OBP and can come off the bench as a pitch-runner/defensive replacement. making b. jones sit on the bench in atlanta makes no sense when we can be playing every day at aaa hopefully building trade value. the flip side is if g. anderson isn’t able to go or if he were to get hurt, then b. jones does become that guy because he could platoon with diaz while providing more power than blanco.
ah, the joys of spring ….
BA
March 23rd, 2009
12:32 pm
Daniel- I like what I’ve seen from Logan, which is admittedly only a couple of innings. He throws a lot harder than Ohman, for what it’s worth. Do you know something I don’t?
I certainly hope he doesn’t end up with the kind of worload that Ohman had last season- His Dudeness was basically covering for Moylan AND Soriano.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
12:34 pm
chuckw/deadjournalist, there won’t be a fifth outfielder. No room. The Braves will almost certainly carry 12 pitchers. So after your 9 position starters (in this case – with the G.Anderson/Diaz platoon), you only have 4 roster spots remaining.
Ross, Prado, Infante, and Norton. That’s it. No room for 5th OF’er.
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
12:35 pm
BA:
My man. How you doin’? I was really beating the tom-tom to re-up OHMAN. But ERIC O’FLAHERTY looked pretty good late in the first game against the MUTTS. Not so hot this last time though. Think he’s done before he even makes the pitching circuit once? As in not even twice. The book’s out on CAMPILLO, but O’FLAHERTY? DAMM, he hasn’t even started yet. Getting him off the wire makes me nervous however. But then JEFF TREADWAY was a great $50,000 pick-up from the unloved and unwanted section of baseball. Don’t know if he was ever BC’s fav though. ‘Course it was CINCY. I wonder if management entertains any thoughts of resurrecting WIL back from that part of MLB. They may know something about his arm we don’t of course. And just because he acts the clown in the clubhouse doesn’t mean he’s not a serious guy. “MAD-DOG” comes to mind. No real comparison of course, but its what’s done between the lines that counts, and OHMAN’s done pretty well for us up to now. See you over on the HAWKS blog later.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
12:35 pm
I should add that Norton can play corner OF, if needed, and Infante can play any OF position. They are the OF backups.
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
12:38 pm
KC:
Dead on. 12 pitchers. Bench is set unless they get someone juicy for PRADO and considerations. I don’t see it myself.
Wascally Wabbit
March 23rd, 2009
12:39 pm
Kelly Johnson will always deserve to start over Martin Prado. Trading Prado however will be a mistake. You need a jack of all trades, master of none like Derosa or like Wilson Betemit was while here. Martin and Infante both filled the void created for the next season and a half by the Betemit trade (Yunel also did extremely well but he was more of a quasi-starter from day one than a utility man). Championship teams need a Martin Prado and an Omar Infante on the bench, especially teams like the Braves who don’t have the strongest offense and thus can not afford to hemorage as much when reserves are filling in. Prado may however be useful in a trade, which I would absolutely hate to see happen. Don’t see us getting back for Martin what we have in Martin. The question may be whether or not Diory can give comparable value, which I don’t believe he can. Diory can man shortstop, however, which Martin can not do. Infante will not be here next season. Diory should fill the void when Infante leaves. I’d rather see Martin and Infante this season and Diory and Martin next season. But if Martin or Infante can get back value this season, I’d rather see Omar traded, with Diory filling the need for a backup SS this season.
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
12:42 pm
Chuck/w/d/j:
B. JONES – oh yeah, forgot about him because of his fielding.
Epinephrine
March 23rd, 2009
12:43 pm
Ugh I can’t believe the Prado talk has started again. Thankfully the Braves brass have made it abundantly clear that they think KJ is the man for the job. Again, I think he is going to have a really good year this year, so we’ll see. I felt the same way last year, but if KJ can finally put it all together he will be an invaluable asset.
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
12:45 pm
Wren should trade Blanco for a lock of David Wright’s hair.
winterville
March 23rd, 2009
12:46 pm
Hey DOB
I know today’s an off day and you just got back but have you heard anything else about Kawakami and his shoulder? Is he still on target to pitch Wednesday? I think that games on MLB network and I’d really like to see him. Thanks.
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
12:47 pm
I think adding ROSS set the BRAVES this year bench-wise. INFANTE, PRADO, NORTON, ROSS, BLANCO or JONES rocks. Come on APRIL lets see what up out of the chute.
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
12:49 pm
U-h-h-h, did anyone say anything about PRADO starting over JOHNSON? I missed it. When was that?
MFin04
March 23rd, 2009
12:52 pm
Starting 8
Casey Kotchman
Kelly Johnson
Yunel Escobar
Chipper Jones
Brian McCann
Garret Anderson
Josh Anderson
Jeff Francouer
Starting Pitching 5
Lowe
Jurrjens
Vazquez
Kawakami
Glavine
Relief Pitching 7
Mike Gonzalez
Rafael Soriano
Peter Moylan
Blaine Boyer
Manny Acosta
Long Relief
A Lefty
Bench 5
Martin Prado
Greg Norton
Omar Infante
Matt Diaz
David Ross
Lew
March 23rd, 2009
12:52 pm
KJ will be the starting 2B. Prado will not be traded. He’s too valuable as a back up to Chipper. If he were to be traded, can you say Pete Orr?
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
12:52 pm
chuck dead guy…
i think one of the best things that could happen to this braves team is for g. anderson to miss the first week or so on the DL. it would suck to see our new player not be on the team right way, but it would let us keep shafer and j. anderson. we would get to start shafer in CF, and not have to put j. anderson through waivers before the season starts. when g. andersoncomes off the DL, it might be more likely j. anderson will clear waivers.
Lew
March 23rd, 2009
12:52 pm
Orr someone like him.
MFin04
March 23rd, 2009
12:56 pm
Is it not possible to go with 6 in the bullpen…and have our 5th starter be a long reliever…glavine…jojo…campillo? That would open a spot up for a young outfielder….
Nitram Odarp
March 23rd, 2009
12:57 pm
Yeah, Epinephrine is right- who needs a 2b that can hit .300 and not drop pop-ups in Philadelphia? Plus Johnson is so dreamy…
Epinephrine
March 23rd, 2009
12:57 pm
Just crunching KJs numbers…there is good reason for optimism. I like that his average has progressed from .249 to .276 to .287. Now, his HR numbers and his OBP both fell from 07 to 08, but not by much. His doubles went up. His SLG was about the same (11 point decline). My guess is that his OBP went down in part due to his moving out of the lead off role (and thus being more of a free swinger).
Anyway, that means his 07 and 08 numbers were essentially the same, give or take a few increases and decreases. After two successful years at second, you have to figure Kelly is starting to get in a comfort zone. In the minors, after putting up two very comparable years in AA, he made a nice leap in 05 before getting called up (.310, .438 OBP).
Kelly has always been a guy with a good back but with minor confidence/streak issues. My guess is that this year, firmly in a comfort zone after proving he can hack in the bigs, we will see a leap in performance. Time will tell.
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
12:58 pm
i just realized that my above scenario doesnt have to happen for the braves to take both j. anderson and shafer to opening day. if the braves dont need glavine until, a week or so into the season, the braves could carry 11 pitchers….7 relievers and 4 starters, and 5 outfielders, until glavine comes back and they can try to get anderson through waivers.
Ben
March 23rd, 2009
12:58 pm
I hope Bobby does not platoon Johnson and Prado.
MFin04
March 23rd, 2009
1:02 pm
Josh Anderson is never going to make it through waivers. Why couldnt we just send Schafer back down to the minors does that not work?
Epinephrine
March 23rd, 2009
1:03 pm
Haha good bat, not back. Wasn’t making a Kotsay comparison.
MFin04, my guess is the Braves will take 12 pitchers, especially if Moylan breaks camp with the big league team. We don’t know if either he or Soriano are truly ready for several back to back appearances, so we need all the bodies we can get out there for the time being. Plus, we simply have too many solid bullpen arms. Think about the numbers:
Gonzo
Soriano
Moylan
Boyer
Campillo
Logan
That is 6 right there. That still leaves guys like Carlyle, Acosta, and Bennett hanging in the wind. Plus, I am starting to really believe we are going to see Medlen make this squad (Cox loves him, he is getting 1 inning roles, and he has really nice stuff). So say we deal Bennett…can you really see us sending Buddy, Manny, and Kris all back down to Gwinett, especially when we don’t know what we are going to get out of Moylan and Soriano? I can’t.
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
1:06 pm
if the braves dont need glavine until, a week or so into the season, the braves could carry 11 pitchers
Not with two primary relievers coming off surgery, and the closer a year removed from TJ. The bullpen is the last place Cox would short players this April.
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
1:07 pm
MFin04Josh Anderson is never going to make it through waivers. Why couldnt we just send Schafer back down to the minors does that not work?
thats an option, but then we wouldnt get to have shafer on the team!!! im almost beginning to feel like we should risk losing anderson if we have to, because shafer seems ready, and like hes a better player.
MFin04
March 23rd, 2009
1:10 pm
Well I’m not convinced we need a lefty…they both sucked yesterday versus the Mets. It always drives me crazy when we bring in a lefty to face a big bat and he goes yard off of him.
RLPmetro
March 23rd, 2009
1:11 pm
I was at a sports bar in SWFL on Friday night, and I had the pleasure of meeting John Smoltz. The Michigan State game wasn’t televised locally, so he was at the restaurant to watch the game. I got a chance to shake his hand and ask him how his shoulder was holding up. He said, “Great. Shoulder’s great.” I wished him luck this season, and that was it. What a nice guy. We can only wish that all of our favorite players were so nice. Hopefully the guy has great success this year, and loses Game 7 of the World Series to the Bravos!
Epinephrine
March 23rd, 2009
1:11 pm
Also…I can’t believe I am actually going to say this, but I am starting to come around on Josh Anderson. His OBP numbers have actually gotten better over time, and looking at his numbers from Richmond…he may actually be able to consistently put up .340+ OBP and hit for average. He still needs some work, but I think he’s earned the chance to win the job.
I think Schafer will be our CF of the future-maybe even by around June. But he has a strike out problem. His ideal role would be in the leadoff position, and the Ks really hamper that. He has made a huge statement this spring-especially after using the winter to work on hitting lefties. The results are great. But if he could do the same thing with his strikeouts, he could be a star. Anderson has earned the chance to show he can hit for AVG and maintain and OBP in the meantime.
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
1:12 pm
scoots i said: if the braves dont need glavine until, a week or so into the season, the braves could carry 11 pitchers
then you said Not with two primary relievers coming off surgery, and the closer a year removed from TJ. The bullpen is the last place Cox would short players this April.
i think you misunderstood. im not advocating shorting the bullpen, because of the very reason you mentioned. but, if we dont need a 5th starter until the 20th of april…two weeks into the season by my count, you can carry 4 starter, and still keep the standard 7 relievers. in other words, dont short the bullpen, short the rotation.
Cyrus
March 23rd, 2009
1:12 pm
You guys have talked about trading Prado and replacing him with Pete Orr — Prado looks like a major league baseball player Orr looked like a guy down the street playing for the local bars softball team.
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
1:15 pm
You guys have talked about trading Prado and replacing him with Pete Orr
no one said that.
MFin04
March 23rd, 2009
1:17 pm
Ok since this is going to turn into an Anderson Schafer debate. What does everyone make of the SB totals between the two this Spring? It seems that Schafer has the ability to steal bases just as well as Anderson does. I believe it is 5 to 1 in the SB category in favor of Schafer
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
1:19 pm
The fact that we have infante makes prado expendable. I mean, they’re pretty much the exact same player, except Prado may be a little bit better with the bat. And given he’s at peak value, it makes sense to EXPLORE trades for him. However, if one doesn’t come around that benefits the organization, no way.
TnBrian
March 23rd, 2009
1:23 pm
Why not see what it would take to get Grabow from Pit. I mean, I’ve heard a million times how Pit. is hard to trade with(wanting too damn much), but I’d think Reyes and this maybe Conrad kid would be enough for him. They get a lefty in the rotation and a guy who hits well and plays decent D, a platoon type.
chuckw/deadjournalist
March 23rd, 2009
1:23 pm
i agree – i think they carry 12 pitchers as well; especially given the fact that they have a surplus of arms and two weeks before needing a 5th starter.
either JS makes the team as the starting CF or he’s at aaa. remember folks, he isn’t on the 40-man roster and there no reason to start is arbitration time ticking any sooner than it has to. with that being said, if he’s the best option, then he’s the guy.
the braves aren’t the o’s – they can win now, so being judicious with JS is a good thing, but if he gives them the best chance to win come opening day, he’ll be on the team. as tight as the east could be this year, the braves can’t afford a slow start. and we all know how prone they are to slow starts …
LT200
March 23rd, 2009
1:24 pm
In reference to all the starting questions, I believe that Schafer should be and will be the starting CF this year. I think he brings more to the table than Anderson. I also think that if the deal for Garret hadn’t happened, Josh would start in Center and Schafer in left.
Epinephrine
March 23rd, 2009
1:24 pm
We shouldn’t trade Prado. We can count on Chipper being out at least 20-30 games. If another injury to the middle infield or outfield occurs during that time, the team would be in serious trouble without him.
MFin04
March 23rd, 2009
1:27 pm
Arent the Braves prone to fast starts? I thought they have started off well in recent years? I dont think Schafer…is or can be enough of a difference maker over Anderson to warrant getting rid of Anderson. You have to be a special talent to kick someone completely off the team…and Schafer isn’t that good…yet.
Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
1:27 pm
You can tell the opener ain’t far away. Barbecue, music, and perdy girl talk is in sharp decline. Not much joking. All business. Muts fans gone into hiding. Been cleaning out my basement beer fridge today; yep, getting close…
Jim
March 23rd, 2009
1:30 pm
If the Braves are facing a tough on lefties lefty like Oliver Perez and Chipper is out with a hamstring, quad, or oblique, who starts for Braves? Makes sense for Prado AND Infante to start at 3B and 2B or CF respectively, or if Infante is playing CF for Anderson/Schaefer and we need a runner for Chipper because he is favoring a minor leg injury, who plays 3B. I’m not ready to promote D. Hernandez into the Prado role on this team yet, and I don’t think a Prado trade is going to net us a better player than Prado in return (even if we add a Bennett/Campillo in the mix), not if equal salary is considered. The only obvious need at the ML level right now is lefty relief, and an Ohman or better option will cost more than Prado + Bennett + JoJo combined.
18 Wheels of Love
March 23rd, 2009
1:30 pm
What is the over/under on how many doubles we hit as a team this year? I’ll take the over, whatever it is.
David-ATL14
March 23rd, 2009
1:31 pm
A sterling job by Miss Rogers while the crusading Everyman takes his rightful part in leading the chorus of Rock Chalk Jayhawk.
Nice to see the Braves rouning into a nice form as the regualr season draws near. Still a couple of decisions to be made and some players to be moved.
Also very nice to see Adam Dunn expose himself for the whole world to see as the single most overrated player in MLB.
Kudos to Wren for avoiding Dunn like the bubonic plague.
A damn shame that Jim Bowden held on as a GM long enough to give Dunn a two year deal at a very inflated price. No other GM in the game would have offered Dunn more than a 3M/1 year deal. Just lesson #723 in why the Washington Nationals are perenial cellar dwellers.
Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
1:33 pm
BTW, anybody know what kinda food grows gray hair over several months? Whatever it is, I got some, and plenty of it…
Jim
March 23rd, 2009
1:33 pm
Conrad is a 29 year old career minor leaguer. He’s no kid, and most of his ABs this spring have come in the late innings when minor leaguers are doing most of the pitching.
mbatl
March 23rd, 2009
1:38 pm
Regarding middle infield: last year, Ruben Gotay and Brent Lillibridge provided some support at 2B, SS and 3B. Both are gone. Trade Prado, and you’re asking Infante to cover backup for CF, 3B, SS and 2B (aided by a guy like D. Hernandez, who clearly has NOT shown to be ready). That’s awfully thin. You just can’t trade Prado, IMO.
Also, keep in mind that Medlen is not on the 40 man roster. If Bobby likes him and wants to keep him, we’ll have to trade or waive someone (which seems likely at this point anyway).
Actually, neither Medlen nor Schafer is on the 40-man… just something to keep in mind as we wheel and deal. If either of them makes the team, someone HAS to go to make room for them.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
1:43 pm
You don’t have to put Medlen on the 40 man roster to send him to AAA, where he’ll go.
mbatl
March 23rd, 2009
1:44 pm
uh, thanks.
Jay212033
March 23rd, 2009
1:50 pm
Isn’t there an intersquad game today?
reagan
March 23rd, 2009
1:54 pm
Daniel (and all)….I do not see any fascination with Logan either ….or OFlaherty ….or Ridgeway. There just has to be something more to Olhmans story than we know here. Seemed liked the mets had an interest, then the Phillies and then the Nats (among others). There is something we just dont know here.
JPHunt
March 23rd, 2009
1:55 pm
JP’s TOP 10 from Spring Training
Back at work after spending 4 days in sunny Orlando watching the Braves play a few at Dark Star. There was much to see and we had an amazing time but here are my top ten observations/experiences in no particular order.
1. Without a Braves program you cannot tell the difference between Brian McCann and Peter Pan (as told to me by the man selling the aforementioned programs).
2. Mets fans in Orlando suck as much as the ones that show up to Shea (Anders excluded).
3. If you are sitting in the grassy berm don’t mess with security, they don’t take crap from anybody (including 4 year olds).
4. Mike Gonzales is a certified pimp, he has a watch that has enough diamonds to turn night to day.
5. Jim Leyland (Tigers GM) has a good sense of humor, a Tigers fan asked him to steal a baseball from an on field security guard and give it to him and Jim obliged the request.
6. Hanson, Freeman, Heyward and Medlen are as advertised…they are bona fide talent.
7. Matt Diaz is the nicest Brave of them all, if you want to get an autograph or pic taken with him he will do it, not matter if its just you or 100 people. And if you ask him to make a mean face for the pics then he will do that to.
8. Speaking of autographs the toughest one to get (of the folks that actually will sign) was none other than Dale Murphy. When he would approach the stands the crowds would swarm and people would get down right mean. (and if you are curious I did get him to sign a bat)
9. Speaking of bats don’t buy them before you go, Orlando has a Rawlings outlet store off 535 where you can get them as cheap as $17.
10. And finally I would say that unless you want seats behind the dish I would just as well take seats in the grass. If you come early you will sit even with 3rd base and can stretch out as much as your blanket will allow. Sat one day in the bleachers and needless to say it was tight.
Well that’s all the musings that I have, cant say enough about how worthy of a trip that was.
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
1:56 pm
Isn’t there an intersquad game today?
theres nothing today. no running, no hitting, no game of any kind…i doubt anybody even came to the field today. its a total day off. carroll mentioned yesterday there would be absolutely nothing going on.
McFann :Ô:
March 23rd, 2009
1:59 pm
MFin04–
I saw three of his ABs last night–that’s all. But yeah, he looks sharp…and thinner. He looks good and ready…cann you believe it: Two weeks from today, we’ll be one game into the season? Seems like it will take forever, but it’s not that long of a wait…
Top 5 in the MVP voting–that’d be something else, and I’m gonna hold you to that! But to be honest, I’d even settle for Top 6.
Andrew
March 23rd, 2009
2:02 pm
What do you guys think of trying to add a power bat off the bench? A serious long ball threat everytime.
MFin04
March 23rd, 2009
2:03 pm
I really think he is going to be that good. He should get a lot of RBI chances in the 4 or 5 hole…and he should play in a lot more games this year…because of being in great shape. Watching him and chipper hit, its just wonderful. I think they could do instructional videos.
BUZZMEAT
March 23rd, 2009
2:03 pm
Anyone know who will start thursday? the game is on CSS
MFin04
March 23rd, 2009
2:13 pm
Greg Norton is supposed to be that “power bat” off the bench. He’s pretty darn good at it too.
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
2:14 pm
CYRUS:
Funny. Apropos also.
mbatl
March 23rd, 2009
2:16 pm
JPHunt, great observations. Thanks!
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
2:17 pm
reagan:
Agreed.
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
2:18 pm
JIM:
Audition for GWINETT?
MLH
March 23rd, 2009
2:20 pm
I think it would be great to add a power bat, but it actually happening is a totally different story.
northbeach Scott
March 23rd, 2009
2:21 pm
Interesting Wall Street Journal article on the Cricket potential of MLB players in light of the photos of Manny that came out over the weekend. Note that our own Chipper Jones may be the best bet for a a cricket batsman. Thoughts from our friends who know cricket?
WSJ:The Count: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123776913924009843.html
But the best bet for a successful cricket batsman might be Chipper Jones of the Atlanta Braves. Last season, the National League batting champion hit .422 against the low heater. Get that man a willow bat and some shin guards.
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
2:22 pm
maybe we will add a power bat next year (heyward).
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
2:25 pm
ODARP NITRAM:
I’ll never put MP ahead of KJ. If he’s that good he should play every day somewhere else and we should have a replacement back-up infielder plus a lower minors young arm or two. Can’t ever have enough pitching. If MARTIN isn’t worth that much to any club than keep him. He’s a great fill in. HE11, he’ll play 50 games anyway assuming the BRAVES luck holds this season. Somebody’s always getting hurt.
Andrew
March 23rd, 2009
2:28 pm
Does anyone think Chipper will get his extention soon?
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
2:30 pm
LEWIE:
PETE when he first came up. Guy was dyn-0-0-0-myte that first part of a season.
Jim
March 23rd, 2009
2:31 pm
Of the prominent rookies (adding B. Jones to that category) the most likely to start with the Braves in April might be Medlen. With 12 pitchers the bullpen should consist of Gonzo, Soriano, Moylan (April 5?), Boyer, lefty?, long relief (1 or 2 of Bennett, Campillo, Carlyle), Acosta or Medlen (both?)
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
2:32 pm
ANDRUW:
No, and you won’t either. Gu’ss kiddin’ dude. BUT on JONES, not just yet. I think it’ll happen though.
mbatl
March 23rd, 2009
2:33 pm
Pretty good quote from Tommy G about salary for guys like him (apparently in response to Pedro saying he wouldn’t take a “Glavine-type” contract. Full article HERE.
But at the same time, you have to be mindful what the market is, what you can realistically get, and in my case, I’ll be honest with you, I didn’t like being a guy that was hurt last year and was just collecting a paycheck. I didn’t want to do that. To me, I want to go out there, and if I’m healthy and I’m pitching, then I’m going to get paid. If I’m not, then I’m not a burden to this club.
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
2:37 pm
he should play in a lot more games this year…because of being in great shape.
Have mercy, I hope not. The kid started 132 last year, and came on as a sub in several others (I think). His tongue will be hanging out in September if you pile more on top of that.
Daniel
March 23rd, 2009
2:42 pm
Hey what about JoJo in long relief too? I am not a fan of Acosta, and I think Boone Logan overthrows and gets blown up too much.
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
2:43 pm
JPHunt, I enjoyed your list.
Daniel
March 23rd, 2009
2:43 pm
Andrew
He eithe gets in the next two weeks or wait until next year according to Chipper
Daniel
March 23rd, 2009
2:45 pm
JPHunt- I am so jealous
Jim
March 23rd, 2009
2:46 pm
Brandon Jones seems to be putting it all together this year. His ABs against lefthanders seem to be comfortable and he’s shown a very quick bat. A few months in Richmond might indicate just how good a ballplayer he is/will become. He might be a valuable piece in the puzzle this year if G. Anderson is to miss significant time with nagging injuries or does not produce the kind of offense we anticipate. In the longer term, Jones seems to rank behind both Schaefer and Heyward in the plans of the Braves (he can’t play CF and he ain’t likely to be as good as Heyward) and even if Francouer were to walk after he becomes a FA, it is unlikely the Braves would want to go with an all LH hitting OF. By the end of the year the Braves should know 3 things: (1) how good Jones may be, (2) whether there is an interest by either party in a long term contract between JF and the Braves, (3) What their biggest organizational needs will be — RH hitting OF, 3B, immediate help at ML level. He will probably be traded over the winter, but I don’t see the urgency for trading him now, especially since he could be of significant value during this season.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
2:47 pm
The only power bench bat left on the free agent market is Jim Edmonds. With Greg Norton being a good power bat from the left side, there’s no reason to sign him. If Jim Edmonds batter RH, it’d make more sense. (Yes, I know Greg Norton is a switch hitter. However, he’s not very good from the right side).
jbutler
March 23rd, 2009
2:51 pm
With Schilling retiring he/Maddux could go in the same year…too bad for Maddux.
McFann…great song choice!!
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
2:53 pm
future replacement for chipper, pittsburgh is seeking pitching, they’ve been dealing with the braves in the past, are showing interest, check this out for a possible idea, their double A guy jim negrych 3rd base .300 hitter for for one of the braves extra arms, or some sort of combination. eric campbell will not be the answer,
McFann :Ô:
March 23rd, 2009
2:54 pm
jbutler–
Thanks!
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
2:55 pm
I am already the best OF at the Braves and I get no love
I eat Frenchy, Garret and JA for breakfast……… easily !
May god bless you all
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
2:56 pm
Schilling will in NO WAY be 1st ballot HOF… he may not even get in, his numbers are much weaker than many not in currently
Tomas
March 23rd, 2009
2:57 pm
Here are some possible replacements for Chipper Jones in the future:
Neil Walker(power hitting switch hitter, 24 yrs old, pirates organization) , Pedro Alvarez(power hitting left handed hitter, 22 years old, pirates organization), Chris Johnson(power hitting right handed hitter, 25 years old, Astros organization), Mat Gamel(power hitting left handed hitter, 24 years old, Brewers organization), Angel Villalona(30-30 potential right handed hitter, 18 yrs old, Giants organization), and Josh Vitters(power hitting right handed hitter, 19 yrs old, Cubs organization).
winterville
March 23rd, 2009
2:59 pm
Don’t know if this has already been posted but I just read that Kyle Kendrick got demoted to the minors in Phillies camp. That sucks for us because he sucks for them.
MinnesotaJacket
March 23rd, 2009
2:59 pm
Have any of you read the article about the old mascot….How cool would that be to bring back that tradition of old Fulton county stadium in a year in whihc so many players have mixed up?
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
3:00 pm
CRICKET and baseball players – Chipper is probably too injury prone as to leg injuries and cricket is a leg intensive sport…
I think the best prospects would be guys like Jimmy Rollins, Yunel Escobar, catchers and great speedy OFs
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
3:00 pm
Schilling a first-ballot Hall of Famer? Please, even if everybody LIKED him, he wouldn’t be a first-ballot Hall of Famer. Unless you think 216 wins and a few Cy Young runner-up finishes, plus 10 postseason wins, equals first-ballot Hall of Famer….
kirkinga
March 23rd, 2009
3:01 pm
I think Ohman ticked off people by with his contract demands this offseason. Couple that with the trouble he reportedly had getting along with Sweet Lew, and a buyers market and you get a guy out of a job.
I doubt if anything is wrong with his arm, we would heard something over the Winter about “concerns about the number of innings he pitched”, or “concerns of how he faded the last months”. But there was none of that kind of talk.
The fascination with the new guys is…they’re new! And throw hard.And apparently 6+innings of ST ball is enough to convince some people that the new guys are just as effective as Ohman.
When Ohman came in last season he shut the door. Whether it was one batter or one inning. When we saw him on the mound we had a certain degree of comfort that he would get out of the mess.
Unless he’s resigned, we’re not going to have that this season and it will be back to burning a righthander to get out lefties. I predict that if the new guys don’t get it done, we’ll have to use a prospect/young player to acquire a reliable leftie. Resigning Ohman now would be much cheaper.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
3:02 pm
Winterville, I just got in last night, and Braves actually took the day off today, so no, I’ve got no new news for you on Kawakami. But he’s on the sheet as scheduled to pitch Wednesday, and the Braves have not reported any setbacks. They said he’d have pitched if his last start had been a regular-season game anyway, so don’t know why he’d miss another start or be pushed back any further.
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
3:03 pm
Schilling’s mouth is first ballot, for sure. Course, that retirement is a long, long ways off.
Tomas
March 23rd, 2009
3:04 pm
Schilling is hall of famer, but not a 1st ballot HOF.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
3:04 pm
Buzz: Derek Lowe starts Thursday against the Jays.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
3:05 pm
Cyrus: No sun to enjoy in OrlanDisneyOpolis. It’s cloudy and drizzled all morning.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
3:05 pm
Instead of the proposed loogys why can’t we just use JoJo Reyes, his stuff by all accounts is much stronger this year and he has developed a good change up, he is better than all of the proposed LH relievers
Andrew
March 23rd, 2009
3:06 pm
Why dont we sign Frank Thomas to come off the bench(that if we trade someone)?
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
March 23rd, 2009
3:06 pm
DOB, I know I’ve asked a few times, have yet to see a response however.
What happened to Cody Johnson? Why is he not being hyped up like Freeman and Heyward? What’s the deal on him?
Random
March 23rd, 2009
3:07 pm
MFin04 (12:56 pm): “Is it not possible to go with 6 in the bullpen…and have our 5th starter be a long reliever…glavine…jojo…campillo? That would open a spot up for a young outfielder….”
Yeah — a spot on the bench. Of what use is that?
I mean, what would be the point, other than to avoid a tough decision?
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
3:07 pm
good info tomas, it’ll be interesting to see what wren does.
mbatl
March 23rd, 2009
3:07 pm
Ohman is reaching the point where he would have to work hard to be ready opening day for anyone. If he’s indeed got offers “on the table” he’d probably be wise to accept one.
As to Schilling, agree with DOB: 216 wins in 20 seasons? He was very good post-season, but I wouldn’t make any assumptions about him making the HOF. (and I doubt guys like Maddux, et al, are too worried about who enters with them… I think that’s a non-issue).
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
3:08 pm
Schilling is NOT a close HOF choice, if he is why isn’t Tommy John and Bert Blyleven in, people cannot stand Schilling, his numbers are average in comparison to many (outside the post-season) and I have already heard media discussions that he is NOT a HOF…..
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
3:09 pm
A question for all – IS Pedro a HOFer?
N Nine (eta13)
March 23rd, 2009
3:09 pm
Nice top ten JPHunt!! Gotta love the sunny spring times!
mbatl
March 23rd, 2009
3:11 pm
course there is the bloody sock game… that might be worth 25% of the vote alone.
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
3:12 pm
I would crush Schilling if he pitched to me !
dogsbrekky (watching Escape from NY)
March 23rd, 2009
3:15 pm
A dopey question ? If for some reason we want to trade Josh Anderson and then start Schafer, can anyone outside Gregor play CF (DIAZ ??)
richbrave
March 23rd, 2009
3:15 pm
dogsbrekky:
Yes, and you could put it to JoJO like this – “We’ve got no room in the starting rotation for you right now, but as a reliefer you can take OHMAN’s slot and stay with the 25 man. What do you say?” What would YOU say? No?
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
3:15 pm
good point with jojo, and insurance if needed to start.
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
3:17 pm
dogsbrekky & richbrave, I’m pretty sure Bobby has shot down every whisper of suggestion that Jo Jo join the pen.
dogsbrekky (watching Escape from NY)
March 23rd, 2009
3:18 pm
Richbrave – I have been very -ve on JoJO but then I remembered watching a young Glavine go what 7-18 in his 2nd year after a shocking 1st year, and from what everyone is telling me JoJO has improved dramatically
Also, I am thinking BP because he is great for 1-3 innings and then goes all “Ollie Perez” on us, be perfect for a LH long role in the pen and maybe a LH specialty guy against Utley, the fat 1st base dude and the ‘mucils lefties like Church, Murphy and co.
3rd point, if Tommy G or Kamikaze are sore and can only go 3-4 innings on a bad start having JoJo there is like another good starter
dogsbrekky (watching Escape from NY)
March 23rd, 2009
3:19 pm
Hi Bubdylan – how u doing mate ?
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
3:19 pm
if shcilling gets in to the hall, i think it will be by the skin of his teeth. his strongest stat is over 3000 Ks, but that along with his 216 wins and 3.46 ERA doesnt make him a sure thing.
Darlington
March 23rd, 2009
3:20 pm
Going way back up to the Jim Powell comment (radio play by play guy), he was here in Columbia for a good many years working USC baseball and teh local sports talk show. He’s a great guy and a huge Braves fan (from way back). He was working here when the Braves won the 95 Series. Glad to have him on the Braves broadcast.
Andrew
March 23rd, 2009
3:20 pm
DOB,if the braves make a trade is it going to be for prospects or can we actually get somebody to help the team this year?
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
3:20 pm
what are pedro’s number’s anyway?
Hillbilly
March 23rd, 2009
3:20 pm
DOB,
Do any of the players still go fishing on off days? Seems like I remember you mentioning something about a handful of the guys plus Bobby Dews running off to fish in a nearby pond a couple of years back. That’s the report I want to see: BABIPs and WHIPs be-damned. Who’s got the bragging rights on the water?
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
3:21 pm
dogsbrekky infante can play CF.
winterville
March 23rd, 2009
3:22 pm
Thanks DOB, I guess no news is good news on the Kawakami front.
Random
March 23rd, 2009
3:22 pm
Shamus Thacker (1:33 pm): “BTW, anybody know what kinda food grows gray hair over several months? Whatever it is, I got some, and plenty of it…”
Sure it’s not your dead gerbil? They the hair and nails keep growing for a while.
Or it could be a meat loaf, especially if the hair’s got green roots.
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
3:22 pm
I’m doing good, dogsbrekky, thanks for asking.
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
3:23 pm
pedro is much more likely to make it in than schilling. a much lower career ERA and three cy youngs to go with his over 3000 Ks. he has won two fewer games than schilling, though.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
3:23 pm
DOB, the fact that he never won a Cy Young won’t be held against him. In 2001 he pitched 256 2/3 innings with a 2.98 ERA (156 ERA+) going 22-6 with 293 K’s and only 39 walks. That wins a Cy Young in any normal season. He didn’t deserve it that year because Randy Johnson almost struck out 400 batters, but it was a “Cy Young Type Season” as the statheads like to say. In 2002 he went 23-7 with a 3.23 ERA (142 ERA+) with 316 K’s and 33 walks in 259 1/3 innings. Again, Randy Johnson deserved the award, but this was also a “Cy Young Type Season”. In 2004 he went 21-6 with a 3.26 ERA (150 ERA+) with 203 K’s and 33 walks in 226 2/3 innings. Pitching in the tougher AL, mind you. Johan Santana deserved the Cy Young, but log another Cy Young type season for Curt Schilling. In John Smoltz’s Cy Young season he went 24-8 with a 2.94 ERA (149 ERA+) with 276 K’s and 55 walks in 253 2/3 innings. Schilling’s 2001 season featured more IP, a better ERA+, more K’s, and fewer BB’s than Smoltz’s 1996 Cy Young season. Winning the actual award doesn’t matter nearly as much as having a Cy Young type season. To intelligent voters, at least. Schilling had 3 of those, regardless of whether he ever won one.
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
3:24 pm
Darlington, that’s the same Jim Powell?!? Son-of-a-gun.
As you might guess, I haven’t heard him since he joined the Braves, LOL.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
3:25 pm
And Schilling should’ve finished 3rd in 1997 ahead of our Denny Naegel.
dogsbrekky (watching Escape from NY)
March 23rd, 2009
3:25 pm
I spent 4 hours this morning in Central Park and had the coolest experience (almost a heart attack)
My dog and I watch the birds in the Ramble area and we were sitting on a bench watching 2 squirrels eat when a huge female “red tail hawk” attacked….. biatch flew right at us with her talons extended and just missed the 2 varmits on the ground……
This picture was from a few weeks ago
http://picasaweb.google.com/NeilEmond/March2009#5310155723611100818
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
3:28 pm
couldn’t have happened but how cool would it have been if maddox, glav, and smoltzie all went together?
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
3:28 pm
Pedro will be in the HOF, not first ballot though I would think.
And as for Schilling, he’s borderline HOF at best. I think he’ll eventually get in, but no way is he a sure thing.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
3:28 pm
I think we should all relax a bit. It is clear to me that the organization wants to compete. Not only because they signed 3 above average starters and Glavine, but because they also got Anderson. The only reason for Hanson to still be around is, that Braves want to make sure even the 5th spot is gonna be filled with the best option, which is not automatically the best pitcher. Meaning, Hanson could be better than Glavine right now, but Glavine might be better for the team as we speak. That would be a very deep and complex discussion maybe even worth a whole blog.
You could also say that an open job at CF says a lot.
My opinion is that this is not true……..CF job is already given to Anderson cause the only way out of it is losing him, so Braves are only saying the job is not given so both this players give 150% effort and we get to know their true potential.
Kind of same scenario is that of Glavine. I think the only chance that Hanson has is if Glavine starts speaking of pain and discomfort, other than that…….The job is Glavines. But that might not be as bad as you might think. You will still have plan B (Hanson) at AAA. If you give the job to Hanson what would plan B be? Reyes? Maybe, but I like him as plan C better or Morton.
So in few words……..if Glavine and Anderson can do an slightly above average job, they will be on the roster. but I dont think either of them will end the season in our uniform. Its a matter of time, and we are not talking so much time here.
Cyrus
March 23rd, 2009
3:32 pm
If we do trade Prado like some people here believe we will do then why not trade for say Keith Lockhart — remember him no offense whatsoever none zilch — DOB since your not in the sun — Whats your opinion on Prado and his status on this team ? I think he stays he is a solid infield backup for all positions and probably can play the outfield in a pinch if need be.
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
3:32 pm
PWHjort
the schilling stats you quoted highlight one of the problems with schilling. his ERA is a tad high. the years johnson won the cy young, his ERA was always in the mid to low 2s. schilling only did that once as a starter, as thus his career ERA is quite a bit higher than johnson’s (or pedro’s) which hurts his HOF status.
and i think cy young awards do matter. if youve never won the cy young, it probably means you were never the absolute best, which is a big deal to voters, i think. thats what helps pedro. he was heads and shoulders above everyone else for a few years. clearly the #1 absolute best pitcher.
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
3:32 pm
dogsbrekky, awesome pics. Are all those Central Park? Love the Alice in Wonderland scultpture.
dogsbrekky (watching Escape from NY)
March 23rd, 2009
3:32 pm
Doc Holliday – as a trader I find it hard to comprehend the devotion we may have to Josh Anderson (do not get me wrong I do not mind him). We clearly have a better player we should be pushing in young Schafer. The thoughts of saving some bucks on a few years of arb (if he is good we will lock him up like McCann) should be banished in favor of the extra following he may bring as a local lad when he does well….. yes / no ??
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
3:33 pm
If something is gonna keep Schilling from getting to the HOF its going to be all the time he lost due to injuries. He has more talent that some of the guys that are already in.
Random
March 23rd, 2009
3:35 pm
dogsbrekky (3:00 pm): “CRICKET and baseball players – Chipper is probably too injury prone as to leg injuries and cricket is a leg intensive sport…
“I think the best prospects would be guys like Jimmy Rollins, Yunel Escobar, catchers and great speedy OFs”
How ’bout free swingin’ Vlad Guerrero? He’s got the eye, and could give fine leg a good work-out.
dogsbrekky (watching Escape from NY)
March 23rd, 2009
3:36 pm
Bubdylan – yes the pics are C Park. They are not by me, but by a guy who provides feed for all the birds in the center of the “Ramble”.
It truly is an amazing place as they get birds that are NEVER found in the NE of USA that breed and nest in that area. No-one seems to know why.
My favorite is a little North Carolina based woodpecker seen in some shots after the hawk biatch. I think it is a red necked woodpecker…………… “Some latin word Carolinus”
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
3:37 pm
I’m not so sure that Hanson even gets the first callup this year, depending on AAA performance of Reyes and Morton. Hanson took a little time to adjust upon his advancement to AA, and it wouldn’t be surprising to see the same thing at AAA. He’s certainly a better pitcher now than he was then, but, still…
If Reyes and Morton are pitching well at AAA (assuming they go there, LOL), I think one of them would get the call for a spot start, especially. Longer term, don’t know.
Andrew
March 23rd, 2009
3:37 pm
DOB,who’s pitching Wednesday night? I ask because the game is on MLB Network.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
3:37 pm
Just looking at some of Schilling’s stats. He became an established starter in 92. Of his 16 seasons as a ML starter, he had more than 15 wins only five times. He finished above a .500 winning pct 11 of those seasons. He only had five seasons that you could call dominate, two of those five you could argue weren’t dominate, but very good seasons nonetheless(’97 he was 17-11 with a 2.97 era and ‘99 he was 15-6 with a 3.54 era). Very good career, but certainly not a shoe-in for HOF.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
3:39 pm
dogsbrekky (watching Escape from NY),
I agree, but braves (or any team for that matter) have to be very careful when they trade away talent. The only reason we are all talking about trading Anderson away is not because he is not good enough or the lack of talent, but because Schafer is even better. But I like the way in which braves are being very careful at doing this, you never know……..injuries, drugs, who knows, it could all end the bad way for Schafer if Braves try to push him for 150 games. One thing is clear………they are near the action, they should know better than we do.
dogsbrekky (watching Escape from NY)
March 23rd, 2009
3:41 pm
Random – yes Vlad and the more athletic OF types…… the great Aussie cricketers who also played baseball at a high level like the Chappells and Alan Border were all excellent all round sportsmen, good arms, great hand eye co-ordination and were brilliant fielders…
I think they play a bit in the Dominican so some of those guys [ala Manny] may already play…..
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
3:41 pm
ncscoots
Good point
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
3:41 pm
[Schilling] has more talent that some of the guys that are already in.
When has that ever mattered? Five years removed, his numbers won’t sparkle enough to put a twinkle in voters’ eyes, even if they could close their nostrils against the stench of his ego.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
3:44 pm
ncscoots ,
Unfair………the guy is a workhorse, just ask the 90s braves……..we were the team of that decade and we could not beat him, he pitched a 2 or 3 hitter every time it was braves night.
Jim
March 23rd, 2009
3:45 pm
Thomas,
I don’t know much about Neil Walker, but none of the others would be available for what we are offering. Alvarez is a big bat, but so-so defense and could wind up on 1B if Walker is indeed a big-time prospect. Vitters might have been available for Peavy this winter, but not our spare parts. Gamel will probably be the Brewers 3B this year, and I think the Astros will start Johnson at 3B this year. No way are we getting Alvarez, Vitters, or Villalona for any or all of our presumed surplus.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
3:47 pm
Looking at Smoltz, Maddux, and Glavine stat for career. If I hadn’t been watching those guys in the ’90s, I’d think that Maddux’s numbers were a misprint. Man that guy put up some lines back then. 19-2 with a 1.63 era in ‘95 and only walked 23 guys in 209 innings.
Glavine’s numbers actually surprise me a bit. He was my favorite pitcher in those days and I still didn’t remember him putting up those kind of numbers.
Smoltz’s overall numbers as a starter weren’t anywhere near the other two, but when you take into account the closer years, guy is light-years ahead of Schilling.
dogsbrekky (watching Escape from NY)
March 23rd, 2009
3:48 pm
Doc and others – My thoughts are that I would have Josh and Brandon Jones in the team for the 1st month and give JA a very short leash… if he sucks then Schafer is there and JA is gone
Prado I really like as well as Infante but to me they are kind of interchangeable and expendable (one a better hitter, the other better D) and then we have Norton and Diaz who are kind of interchangeable but from different side of the plate…… as we have plenty of LH hitters Norton is more superfluous than Matt….. and then we have Josh, Jordan and Gregor…… we do not need all 3 and the best player already seems to be the kid (talent point of view)…..
Why not trade Gregor or Josh, and a pitcher or whatever and get a piece of what we may require ?
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
3:51 pm
If Ted Turner owned this team, my southern as would be patrolling CF instead of those 2nd rate Texans and latinos
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
3:51 pm
Doc, Schilling vs. the Braves, career: 13-11. Selective memory, my friend.
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
3:51 pm
Southern ass I mean
mbatl
March 23rd, 2009
3:53 pm
I don’t know much about Neil Walker, but keep seeing his name mentioned … he may be the next Mike Schmidt.
But in 600+ AAA at-bats, a .278 OBP (and a .237 BA, and .395 SLG%) makes me more than a little nervous about him as the replacement for Chipper Jones.
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
3:54 pm
Hicks will be our SS one day and Yunie will be 3rd or traded
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
3:55 pm
Thanks ncscoots, you beat me to that Schilling vs Braves stat. Schilling’s mouth, character, and the bloody sock have all made him seem to be more than he actually was. What he was was a very good ML pitcher who has a shot at getting in the HOF. Though I must say,I think most of us would take that career if we could have it.
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
3:56 pm
Hicks will be our SS one day and Yunie will be 3rd or traded
Best line of the day. Bubdylan hates you.
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
3:57 pm
Hicks is just awesome, just flipping great already
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
3:59 pm
the jim negrych guy from pittsburgh was hitting .300+ but showed no power, in AA.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
3:59 pm
My fantasy baseball team is effed already
Upton
AROD
Utley
yada yada yada
Schafer Oblit – yes Hicks is supposed to be better at SS already then 90% of MLB dudes……….. FWIW
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:00 pm
BlawgDawg,
Since 1991 both Glavine and Schilling have 3 seasons with ERA above 3.99.
In that same period of time Glavine has 13 season with 200+ IP and Schilling has 9, but in 3 of those seasons Schilling couldnt start 20 games, that problem only occurred to glavine once.
In that same period of time Glavine had 21 Sho while Schilling had a very distant 20 Sho.
We are talking the same glavine that is going to the HOF.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:00 pm
ESPN guys just discussed Schilling and the sooky red sock game…
they think he is in the HOF
then again they suck (Buster Olney et al)
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
4:01 pm
BlawgDawg, oh, he’s an excellent pitcher, no denying it, and he might even make the Hall, at some point. But I’d call that more iffy than certain. That’s all. I can’t stand the guy, but he had his moments.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:01 pm
Doc – Glav wins and wins and wins…….. only stat that matters….. reaalllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Tomas
March 23rd, 2009
4:03 pm
Jim,
Jorge Campillo, Jo-jo Reyes, James Parr, Martin Prado, Manny Acosta, Buddy Carlyle, Josh Anderson, Gregor Blanco, Brandon Jones, and Blaine Boyer. I mean those guy’s aren’t Jake Peavy quality, but I’m sure they could make a deal work with this guys.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
4:04 pm
Andrew, we answered that question about an hour ago — Kawakami
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
4:05 pm
The call of the average is NOT what the Braves are about
I should start CF and B Jones should play and
I have some swamp land for sale in Louisiana for sale for $1 an acre if you think it will happen
BUZZMEAT
March 23rd, 2009
4:06 pm
DOB: Thanks for the info , i was hoping to see Kenshin…but GO BRAVES!
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:07 pm
ncscoots,
career 3.56 ERA with 216 hits in 225.2 IP vs opponent
career 3.46 ERA with 394 hits in 407.1 IP vs opponent
One of the lines above belongs to Maddux vs the phillies and the other belongs to Schilling vs the Braves. Could you tell the difference? there aint much difference……….and we are talking, untouchable maddux here.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:07 pm
Dobi one Knobi – I saw ART Garfunkel Sat night at a beaut place in Staten Island (the g/f is best friends with his family). The guy is 67 and can still really sing……… had a brilliant band as well….
not sure if any dudes here liked the old Simon and Garf.
Random
March 23rd, 2009
4:07 pm
roman88 (3:28 pm): “couldn’t have happened but how cool would it have been if maddox, glav, and smoltzie all went together?”
Could still happen, if Maddux were to unretire this Aug/Sep to help some team in a stretch run.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:09 pm
I own 4 stocks and now I actually have a profit in each…… wow must be a booming economy
McFann :Ô:
March 23rd, 2009
4:10 pm
dogsbrekky–
Those are some amazing photos! Thank you so much for sharing them! Really crystal-clear shots!
Andrew
March 23rd, 2009
4:10 pm
Sorry Dave i wasnt caught up
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
4:11 pm
cody johnson could be mlb’s next adam dunn, a ton of homers, but alot of strikeouts. does anyone think huddie will be back after this season?
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:15 pm
dogsbrekky,
when it is time to buy your goods……..wins is not the only stat that matters……… it would be far easier to win if you are a pitcher for the NY Yankees……….you could easily win 20 games if you have a 4.50 ERA there.
Cain had a 3.76 ERA and won 8 games while lossing 14, those that tells you he is not a winner?
Same Goes for Greinke in KC, he had 3.47 ERA with a 13-10 record.While Burnett won 18 games with a 4.07 ERA and Lilly won 17 with a 4.09 ERA.
Thats all circumstantial.
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
4:15 pm
Doc, five years from now, I’ll be glad to admit I was wrong if the guy goes in, OK? LOL. I know it’s shocking, but I’ve been wrong before. HA!
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm
PWHjort: Bert Blyleven had 17 or more wins seven times, had one of the five lowest ERAs in his league seven times, finished in the top four in his league in strikeouts 12 times, finished in the top seven in his league in innings eight times, and finished first or second in his league in shutouts six times.
He has 287 wins, 3,701 strikeouts and 4,970 innings pitched.
He is not in the Hall of Fame.
Do I think Schilling will get in? Yes. Is it a given? No.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm
McFann – the guy has a bazillion pictures of everything around the park. NY has some interesting characters, bums like my dog and I who cruise around during the day……. there are dozens of photo bums and “Kramer-like” bums who seem to do nothing but the “birders” take their art very seriously….
The guy who took the pics spends $500+ a week feeding the birdies there..
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm
Doc So we are going to 200ip seasons and shutouts to decide who was the better pitcher? Come on man. Glavine won 20 games or more FIVE times during those same seasons (and won 15 or more five other times as well) that Schilling was also pitching in the league. Not to mention two Cy Young Awards to Zero.
Frank from KS
March 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm
Doc Holiday re: your 3:28 pm post
Doc, may I ask where GA and Glav may be then?
I think you are way off here because I think both are going to be here all season long…unless it’s a injury-type reason and/or the Braves are out of playoff run.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm
Oh, and by the way, since you were talking about shutouts…..Glavine-25 career shutouts……Schilling-20.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm
Doc – yes I agree but I am saying
GLAVINE IS A WINNER………. dude could play hopscotch in the fairy league and I guarantee after 20 seasons he would be a HOF hopscotcher
“Never, ever get off of a winning trend until it is broken”
Glavine deserves a lot of rope and I don’t care if his fastball is slower than 80mph, the dude just knows how to eff with hitters minds and get dudes out
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
4:20 pm
dogsbrekky
i dont know about prado and infante being interchangeable. they play a couple of the same positions, but infante plays a few more. the outfield, and SS specifically. prado has played SS and a little LF, but hes mostly an infielder, and filled in pretty well at first base last year to.
diaz and norton arent that similar. norton is a switch hitter with alot of power, diaz hits righty for average but still Ks and doesnt walk much, plus hes the third catcher. his power is just decent. norton is also much more versatile defensively than diaz.
i see where your comparisons come from, but i dont think anyone of these guys makes the other guy expendable.
also, what kind of piece do you see us requiring? the team is pretty complete and deep…anyone that goes down pretty much has someone right behind them to pick up the slack. the only thing i see us needing is a superstar middle of the order power bat for the outfield, and i dont see that happening.
p.s. to shafer obliterator…yunel will not be moved to third. he is an excellent SS, only a crazy would move him.
TnBrian
March 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm
People don’t care much for Schilling cause he sticks his nose in people’s business and runs to the media with it, or he used to. Another “problem” with Schilling is his public support of Republicans…not saying it’s cause he supports them, just that some people get offended. But, it’s ok for a black athelete to support Obama and not get bashed because that would be racist. Double standard if I ever saw it.
But, yeah, Curt does stick his fat nose in almost every controversial topic in MLB when he gets the chance, so I see where some would get mad.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:24 pm
Not to mention 90 more wins in Glavine’s career. Wasn’t actually trying to compare Glavine and Schilling earlier when I was talking about some of Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz’s stats, just kind of surprised me when I looked back at Glavine’s stats. And Maddux’s stats almost look like misprints.
But since you started comparing Glav and Schilling I’ll ask you a question. Do you think Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz are no doubt HOF’ers? I certainly do, and I don’t believe that Schilling is a no doubter. Could very well get in as I said earlier, and I wouldn’t be upset at all if he did, would be perfectly acceptable I think. But the “Big 3″ are on a completely different level than Schilling when it comes to HOF talk.
Hillbilly
March 23rd, 2009
4:24 pm
GLAVINE IS A WINNER………. dude could play hopscotch in the fairy league and I guarantee after 20 seasons he would be a HOF hopscotcher
That one should raise the eyebrows of the Wurlitzer Committe. Very nice.
Frank from KS
March 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm
David O’Brien re: 4:16 pm post
DOB
I agree with ya there. Blyleven deserves to be in the HOF. I’m glad Rice is getting in. The Hawk is another who deserves to be in.
I caught ESPN’s early morning show *First Take* (formerly Cold Pizza) and the round table discussion called *1st & 10* they have with Jay Crawford, Skip Bayless and the two black gentlemen (can’t think of their names). Bayless said Schilling’s definately a HOF….more for his post-season performance….not so much his regular-season work.
TnBrian
March 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm
UH OH… I spelled “athlete” wrong! Some blog genius better be quick to correct me, or you might miss your chance.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm
DAP – I think the GM said he was going to make a move, well kind of know he wants to “guarantee” some hitting power…….
I am not saying I agree with his idea but
I think there will be a trade involving some dudes mentioned for a power OF…….. personally, now I would have liked to give Brandon Jones another shot, Diaz another shot and I really like the Schafer kid..
I also think JoJo may be much much better than I ever hoped…
but I am not sure how that fits in to our plans… but against JOHAN we showed yet again that we struggle against the elite (read playoff) type pitchers, just as we did without Justice etc in the WS we fell short in.
We have this great farm system, farm coaching etc etc but I sincerely think we eff it all up when we get to the MLB level (re the Tex bitach trade)
BravesFan79
March 23rd, 2009
4:28 pm
“After left-handers Boone Logan and Eric O’Flaherty gave up a combined 11 runs to the Mets Sunday”
Have the Braves not learned their lesson yet that trying to place 1 great player with 2 scrubs just dosent work….and gives you average results at best??
We learned this in 2006 when Escobar was left off the team, and instead used Chris Woodcrap and Pete Orr….. which led to us tanking after Chipper got hurt.
Now i see the same thing happening, and i said this a month ago. Ohman CANNOT be replaced by 2 or even 3 mediocure left handed relievers. Are we TRYING to achieve mediocure results…. or are we trying to WIN!??
Release the 2 lefties..and bring back Ohman!!
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:29 pm
I never said Schilling was better than Glavine……….ever. Not even equal.
But to say that he is not even close to being a HOFer or that Glavine and Smoltz are gods and Schilling is a mortal………thats not fair. We all know that Schilling is a winner, period. Good pitcher that did gave his team an above average chance of winning when he was on the mount.
I would put Maddux on another league……..he really is something.
Glavine and Smoltz are great pitchers. But in reality, If Schilling was on the mount against any of those 3 guys, that was going to be a close game. That tells you something.
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
4:30 pm
looking back, I’m glad wren’s other potential moves didn’t work out. wish someday maddox could come back in some compacity with the braves coaching or something, the story of him calling the game for chen from the dugout was amazing.
BB5795
March 23rd, 2009
4:30 pm
dogsbrekky I really enjoyed the pictures. (3:25)
“It truly is an amazing place as they get birds that are NEVER found in the NE of USA that breed and nest in that area. No-one seems to know why.” (3:36)
The reason is a well-kept secret, but you seem like a nice person. Don’t tell anyone else, but the reason so many birds nest in this area of Central Park, is because when the young ones can fly, they love to poop on the heads of Met fans (can you blame them?). If any of you visit New York in the spring, you may want to wear a hat.
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
4:31 pm
TnBrain, mercy, you’re all over place…
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
4:31 pm
I meant “all over the place”
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
4:31 pm
I can hit even god on the outside corner, but will these hypocrites give me a show over nobody, nobody and Garret,
free-agency mediocrity
worst OF ever in 2008 followed by the Frenchy ‘09 cant hit a lick show…
I CRUSH SOULs
read Matthew 3-21
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
4:32 pm
What happened to Cody Johnson? Why is he not being hyped up like Freeman and Heyward? What’s the deal on him? Buffalo NY Braves afn
Not sure what you mean by what happened to him. He’s in minor league camp, not on 40-man roster, not invited to spring training (only a few young non-roster players are).
Why isn’t he being as “hyped” as Heyward and Freeman?
Well, Cody Johnson hit .252 with a .307 OBP and .786 OPS last season at Rome, with 177 strikeouts and 40 walks in 468 at-bats. (His 26 homers don’t just negate all those other stats.)
On the same Rome team:
Freeman hit .316 with a .378 OBP and .899 OPS, with 84 strikeouts and 46 walks.
Heyward hit .323 with a .388 OBP and .871 OPS, with 74 strikeouts and 49 walks.
Does that answer the question?
Cody is a raw, power-hitting prospect, but at this point the other two are more advanced as hitters and players.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:32 pm
Frank from KS,
Who the ·$&$% is GA? Garret anderson? I never said a word about him.
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
4:32 pm
The only good birds are dead or flipped.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:33 pm
Who said that Schilling isn’t even close to being a HOFer? I certainly haven’t said that, I said I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he gets in and would have no problem whatsoever if he did get in.
Maddux is certainly in another league than the rest, we agree on that. I would say, however, that Glavine and Smoltz are first ballot guys and Schilling is not.
CharlieAlphaBravo
March 23rd, 2009
4:35 pm
If this is still up for debate, Pedro is an absolute lock for the hall of fame.
Many of the players who have faced him in his prime (including Chipper Jones, I believe) say he was the best pitcher they ever faced. He was the most dominant pitcher in the league in the late nineties and early oughts, and many voters use this as their primary qualifier.
If his totals were a little better and his late career had not been so injury-plagued, he might have even been a first-ballot HOFer.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:36 pm
I love you all but I am losing it
MADDOX was a bloody average Footy player for some crud teams
MADDUX is the greatest player I have ever seen in MLB
Please be spelling my hero’s name properly
Love the dog
Couch Tater
March 23rd, 2009
4:36 pm
Enter your comments here
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:36 pm
BlawgDawg,
You said Pedro Martinez was going to be a HOF…..right?, well, he has 17 career Sho, 3 less than loser Schilling.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:37 pm
I don’t think there’s much debate about Pedro, definitly a HOFer. Not first ballot (who knows what coulda or woulda) however.
Couch Tater
March 23rd, 2009
4:37 pm
I decided not to.
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
4:38 pm
does anyone think its possible that next offseason the braves jump at a free agent outfielder like nady, holliday, bay or ankiel? with the first three, we would be locking up a right-handed middle of the order bat that we have lacked, and will lack for the foreseeable future (alot of lefties coming up)
i guess it all depends on how frenchy plays this year, because the available spot would be his, since we are pretty sure schafer and heyward will be manning the outfield for a little while.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:39 pm
BlawgDawg,
Ok……..at least I agree on your last post.
Lew
March 23rd, 2009
4:39 pm
I’m just not seeing Curt Schilling as a HOF inductee-at all.
Now while I realize that Wins are not considered a big deal for pitchers these days, those that vote for the Hall seem to think that they are. There are 18 pitchers in the Hall with less wins than Schilling (216). Of those 18, only five have retired since 1966 and three of those-Eckersley, Fingers and Sutter- are relievers (the other two are Koufax and Drysdale).
Of those who have win totals greater than Schilling, but close nonetheless, only Catfish Hunter retired later than that (1979) and he appeared in Six World Series (winning five rings) and of the 12 post season appearances Catfish made, his team won ten of them. Schilling, bloody sock and all, just doesn’t come close.
Run Heap Run
March 23rd, 2009
4:39 pm
Ew I just read that other guys blog. I’m never going back.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:39 pm
Holliday and Halliday in 2010 would be nice
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
4:40 pm
dogsbrekky, I feel your pain. Gregg MADDUX… is it so hard?
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm
Run Heap, what guy was that? Purely for preventive information.
Fillies Feeling Frightfully Philharmonic
March 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm
Catfish Hunter – now there was a pitcher and some great man..
don’t make them like that anymore…..
Jay212033
March 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm
The 3B prospect I would want is Neftali Soto from the Reds. Most of you might not know of this kid but he’s going to be a good one.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm
DAP,
If JF carries his ST magic into the season, Schafer keeps its going and Diaz hits above .300, why should we get an OF? not to mention that BJ and Heyward are also around. If we didnt do it in 2009, I dont see why do it next year.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm
Doc You and your shutouts.. :=) Ok, you made me look up Pedro’s stats. I’ll give you one stat, and that should end any debate. SEVEN straight seasons with an ERA under 3.00. The highest was 2.89, all the others were under 2.40. (He also had a 2.82 era in ‘05 which was apart from those seven straight).
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:42 pm
Ok, I messed up that emoticon….McFann is going to be so disappointed in me
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:43 pm
DAP,
I think we should start thinking 3B. I dont think we are on the need of anything else right now. Just keep the kids coming.
Fillies Feeling Frightfully Philharmonic
March 23rd, 2009
4:44 pm
Greg Maddux had if my memory at this octogenarian age works 3 sub 2 eras, maybe 2 and a poultice of sub 3 eras and 16/17 yes straight 15 win seasons even for the crappy CUB suck’oles
Pedro had 2 mindnumbing statistical years, 5 great years and many CRUDDY years……..
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
March 23rd, 2009
4:45 pm
DOB,
Thanks for the answer. I was wondering what happened to him because when he was drafted, he was the “next big thing” and I haven’t heard much since. I should have checked the stats, but thanks for the info.
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
4:45 pm
Prado is a very good hitter and can play 3rd well……. yes !
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:46 pm
BlawgDawg,
I agree with you that Pedro is a HOF, 1st ballot IMO. But you missed the point, which is, Schilling has more Sho than him and we all know he aint gonna catch him.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:47 pm
Doc Now I get to agree with your last post. 3B seems to be (at the moment anyway) the only glaring weakness as far as 4 or 5 years down the road goes. Keep those kids acoming. I said in a post earlier and I firmly believe it. It’s a great time to be a Braves fan, I think the future is bright.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
4:48 pm
Folks, you might as well stop the conversations about Ohman. It ain’t happening with the Braves. They’re not pursuing him or even considering it, from what I’m told. They really like O’Flaherty’s stuff, and Logan had been fine this spring until yesterday.
Think about it — no team is going hard after Ohman, and we’re two weeks from Opening Day. Probably a reason. I get the impression that teams don’t see him as an eighth-inning type guy, a big-time setup guy, on a contender. And if he’s viewed as just another situational lefty, well…
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
4:48 pm
doc holliday im with you, but jeff is really going to have to be a very strong middle of the order hitter. if we extend chipper, were looking at having (in the near future) freeman, johnson, mccann, heyward, schafer all lefties, with only jeff and yunel as our righties, and chipper switch hitting. he need a real good strong righty bat out of jeff, or we need to get someone else.
i know weve got diaz, but when heyward comes up, he aint gonna be splitting time. if jeff doesnt impress this year, i think going after bay, nady or holliday wouldnt be a bad idea.
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
4:48 pm
error on maddog’s spelling, but thank’s for catching it,
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:49 pm
OK, gonna give props where props are due….No Pedro is not gonna catch Schilling in Shutouts
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
4:50 pm
Francouer sucks now under pressure, he misread the bible and actually believes that Moses parted the Red Sea (sad sack of spuds) and it messed with his “Johnny Miller” swing…………
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:51 pm
roman – only reason I brought up the spelling is because I have brain damage and eff up every word I write but I will never mess up the Mad-Dog
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
4:53 pm
Schilling will be in the Hall. I just hope he goes in with Smoltz. I want them to write a stirring political manifesto.
Piece
March 23rd, 2009
4:55 pm
For all you Schilling supporters/detractors. I remember reading this article a few years ago (so, yes, it is a bit dated) comparing Schilling and Smoltz’s careers. They are actually remarkably statistically similar (at least they were at the time this was written). I’m more of a Smoltz fan, obviously, but this guy makes some reasonable points. It’s good reading anyhow.
I’m not sure if just copying and pasting a link into this will work, but here goes:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keri/060728
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:55 pm
DAP,
I have been hard on JF last 18 months, but I saw that guy hit against Santana yesterday, and he looked different. He looked professional. Patient. Santana was sharp and he couldnt fool him. He stayed away from those low and away pitches and those high pitches that look fat as they are eye level. Really nice. Im not sure if you saw that. Hard to say that its all said and done and that he will hit .320 but man, he sure caught up my attention.
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
4:56 pm
“Folks, you might as well stop the conversations about Ohman. It ain’t happening with the Braves.” -DOB
Look out. DOB’s using his Go-Go-Griffey Blog Power in reverse. Good thinking!
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
4:56 pm
he’s the best, could probably still go a few more season’s, great baseball mind
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
4:56 pm
Schilling will be in the Hall. I just hope he goes in with Smoltz. I want them to write a stirring political manifesto.
Now, THAT might be mildly entertaining. Course, you might need the Mormon Tabernacle to get both their heads in the same room to write it.
THWG
March 23rd, 2009
4:57 pm
I don’t see why nobody is going after Ohman. He’s a career .333 hitter with an OPS of .833. But seriously, he ate up like 60 innings out of the bullpen last year, and he’s a southpaw. I don’t see the harm in at least talking to his agent.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
5:01 pm
DAP,
You got a point there. You could add to that list Kotchman LH and you could say that Chipper is lefty also, because we know what happens when he turns it around.
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
5:06 pm
“Course, you might need the Mormon Tabernacle to get both their heads in the same room to write it.” -ncscoots
Smoltz: … and I’d like to take this opportunity to say a few words about the 2009 offseason…
Schilling: Hush, John. Can the people in the back see my sock?
dude
March 23rd, 2009
5:06 pm
Just logged in ……Did we win today? Any highlights for Bravos? Thx.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
5:06 pm
Lew, great statistical points about the pitchers with as few or fewer wins than Schilling and how many of them were from this era (not many). That’s why I don’t think it’s a given that Schilling goes in. Eventually, I think he probably does. But not a given.
Think about it — John Smoltz has six fewer regular-season wins than Schilling (and Smoltz has four more postseason wins).
Smoltz is 210-147 with a 3.26 ERA and 3,011 strikeouts in 3,395 innings.
Schilling is 216-146 with a 3.46 ERA and 3,116 strikeouts in 3,261 innings.
But then there’s this rather large difference: Smoltz has 154 saves. Schilling had 22.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
5:08 pm
BTW,
Schilling alone has the same amount of WS rings that Smoltz, Maddux and Glavine have combined.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
5:08 pm
Bubdylan, that (4:56) was funny….
Frank from KS
March 23rd, 2009
5:10 pm
Doc Holiday re: of your 4:32 pm post
Excuse me for talking. I’m sorry…you meant Josh.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
5:10 pm
dude,
In order to win braves need to play a game.
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
5:10 pm
scoots,
I’ve censored my response to your post because it could be seen as being religiously and politically offensive.
Here it goes:
“I don’t know about that. Maybe I’ve just misplaced my **** stone, but I don’t think the Mormon Tabernacle is ******** inspired. Gotta have something ******** inspired to get those two together.
How about tea with Hush and Rannity? That should work.
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
5:10 pm
schilling will probably be voted in by the veterans commitee years from now
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
March 23rd, 2009
5:12 pm
DOB,
A barbecue question for you: Have you tried ”THE OLD BRICK PIT” on Peachtree Industrial Blvd. in Chamblee?
I ate there for years and all they cooked back then were hams, (no shoulders) and man, they were good. And their Brunswick Stew was also something special also. It sure is not a fancy place but barbecue joints aren’t supposed to be fancy.
dude
March 23rd, 2009
5:16 pm
LoL! OOPS! Ok Im a little out of it.
Anybody agree with me that Davey Johnson sucked at managing the U.S.A. in WBC. Sheesh forgetabout some bodys pride ……if a dude aint pichin good…U replace said dude. My God. His decisions were just awful….like he didn’t want to hurt somebodys fellings. Im sorry I blame him for terrible “strategy”.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
5:25 pm
Doc, regarding your 5:08 comment: So what?
Yogi Berra won 10 World Series rings as a player. Barry Bonds played in one World Series, and his team lost. Ken Griffey Jr. has never even played in a World Series (he only played in on LCS).
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
5:32 pm
BEAR, I haven’t been there. Actually, I haven’t even heard of it, or if I did I forgot. But that’s not far from me, if it’s over by those antique places.
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
5:33 pm
Curt Schilling….Hall of Fame? I just don’t know, nor do I have an opinion.
Dale Murphy belongs in Cooperstown on character alone.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
5:34 pm
Dobi one Knobi – Stats schmatts
Barry Bonds could rake, ‘roids, no ‘roids, plenty ‘roids, heaps of HGH or not………….. if the dude played for winners he would win…
oh remember the old Dusty Rusty Baker worst move of all time with old Russ Ortiz move
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
5:36 pm
Sorry I have some terrible news
“Is Rimes’ Husband ‘Dancer’ Dean Gay?”
yes, yes and yes is the answer
what is it with poofter male dancers
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
5:39 pm
Remember, my denizen friend, that AA ball here is where the majority of the young major league talent plays DADGUM
thats not entirely true. they almost all play some at AAA too. Ithere may be some bigger names at the AA level but they still only constitute a small part of the league. The rest of the league is at a lower level so AAA is somewhat more consistantly higher.. There are not all that many players who jump from AA right to the bigs bypassing AAA. Believe what you want to, but it’s something of A Baseball urban legend, but I’m not gonna argue it any further.
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
5:39 pm
DOB,
Have you read the first two parts of Bob Dylan’s interview with Bill Flanagan?
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
5:41 pm
We are very suspect under pressure against high quality pitching
but then again we have been for 13 years
I am 1 of the solutions to this problem
I am so great
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
5:48 pm
olie, I have to respectfully disagree about the level of talent in Japan. I think “AA” is considerably underselling them. KC
ok I give up. I got one guy saying I under valued them and one guy saying I over valued them, so I figure since I’m right in the middle I got it just right, kinda like Mama Bear.
I’ll stand by my evaluation of the overall level of their play I have read evaluations from high A to AAA so I tried to even it out. Since it has been 8 years or more since I was last in Japan I am making no claim to be a current expert. I’ll let Dadgum & KC debate the subject. Good luch guys
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
March 23rd, 2009
5:50 pm
David, it’s a little joint, used to be drive in Dairy Queen about 50 years ago. The guy who started the barbecue in there about 20 years ago was an engineer who built a new kind of pit where he cooked the hams for many many hours over low temp smoke. He later died and his Chinese wife took over. So far as I know they still turn out the same kind of food and it is really top level food. Their stew is also very tasty.
My brother owns a barbecue joint in Thomasville, GA and I have told him many times that the one in Chamblee has better food. He doesn’t like that but facts are facts.
All you get with it is a soft drink or ice tea and a bag of potato chips.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
5:51 pm
dogsbrekky, that was precisely my point about Bonds, Griffey, and so many others who don’t have World Series rings — it’s just not much of an indicator of a guy’s Hall of Fame worthiness.
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March 23rd, 2009
5:54 pm
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Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
5:56 pm
BA’s 10:52 post was spot on. Japan is big league caliber and they beat the snot out of us.
Whether anyone agrees or disagrees, the Japanese have bragging rights.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
6:04 pm
Chop Chop, thanks for the link. Just read it all. Brilliant fella, that Mr. Zimmerman.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:05 pm
Their shortstop, 3b (Murata, not the replacement guy last night) and LF could all start in the Majors, and their RF,CF,C and 2b already are starting in MLB. BA
okay as i understand it we got another undervalued. I said that there are some great players there,certainly major league talent, but they are a minority and most are not that good. If they were better than AAA they would have a whole lot more players making it to MLB and doing better since after all a fairly good percentage of US players who work their way up to AAA and play well there go on to decent MLB careers. Yes i know that logistics limit the numbers from Japan, but basically most Americans are aware of the top 100 or so players from the MLB guys many of whom have not had all that much success here and the guys who are good enough to make tournements. If they were better as a league than why do a lot of American scrubs go over there and have such good careers. I have a baseball knowledgeable friend who used to scout and who lives there now place them at about AA so that influenced my comments too.
As i said in my last post I do not claim to be all that current in the topic. I do know that 8-10 years ago they were likely A level with a small percentage of real stars. I’m not sure there is a “correct” answer I am just explaining my thinking.
And now as I already promised (and broke) I am gonna shut up about the matter. Thanks for your comments though.
golly I love emot-icons. let’s me stay in touch with my inner child.
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
6:05 pm
And in case anyone has a short memory, the Japanese won the WBC in 2006 and they are back playing in the championship game again in 2009.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
6:07 pm
BBQ – I love the stuff AND have driven all over USA with the doggie eating the stuff
You may be horrified but I love the Carolina BBQ and have had some awesome stuff in a SC – Columbia (spelling) place called FireBonze. I actually recall it was a chain joint but they had great dry/vinegar BBQ with really super sauces
Texas BBQ – I am not such a buyer….. too much sugar or something
Steve from OH
March 23rd, 2009
6:08 pm
Coach, I think the AA-AAA level assessment comes from the overall top-to-bottom strength of the league, not the quality of its top players. It is obvious from watching international competition that their top players are easily mlb-caliber. But you’re right, they’ve got the bragging rights, no doubt.
I think the main problem with that game was poor scouting of Japanese hitters. Those guys (to me) looked like they had an easy time with the breaking stuff but had a tougher time hitting fastballs up in the zone. And like someone else noted they had trouble hitting lefty pitching. Plus having Jeter at SS instead of Rollins didn’t help.
Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
6:09 pm
You could be right Random, I had a meatloaf in there at some point. Ain’t seen galfriend’s Polar Gerbil entering/exiting pet-door on fridge lately either…
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:11 pm
if it is anderson in center, then the question becomes, to me brandon jones or gregor blanco as the fifth outfielder. CHUCK DEAD J
there likely isn’t gonna be a fifth outfielder especially after the first two weeks. why do you think there will be?
Piece
March 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm
I’m not voting for any player for membership to the Hall until I have thoroughly evaluated the number of World Baseball Classic Championship rings he has.
useless trivia
March 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm
Makes you realize how long the “big three” (Maddux, Glavine, & Smoltz) have been around…..
Glavine’s catcher in his debut was…..Ozzie Virgil. Starting 2B was Glenn Hubbard & LF was Ken Griffey (not junior). His salary in his first full season (1988) was $65,000.
Smoltz’ catcher was Bruce Benedict. His first start lasted 8 innings (a win)…Bruce Sutter came in to pitch the ninth that day.
Maddux’ first inning pitched was the 18th inning of that game, a game started by the still active Jamie Moyer. Moyer’s pitching opponent? Nolan Ryan. Speaking of Ryan and Maddux, the hall of famer and future hall of famer managed to strike out the other exactly once during their overlapping years. Mike Schmidt batted .368 against Maddog. Ken Griffey Jr. batted .325 but his dad only went 1 for 7 off Greg. Dale Murphy didn’t fare too well, going 2 for 34, but his old teammate, Bob Horner had much better luck, .417, albeit in only 12 at bats.
I know, who cares. Slow day here at the office.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm
I laugh when I read about our baseball superiority over Japan.
I lived there is the early 90s and watched Dan Gladden near the height of his powers play for the Yomiuri (tokyo) Giants and a few others… I met him a few times and he rated Japan just below MLB in terms of quality
not as much depth, but they make up for it in passion”and USA lost again last night with the greatest SS of all time (if we believe the NY POST) playing………… no-one has a chance agaisnt us unlessn they have talent, passion and well telent
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
6:14 pm
and if they can spell and type
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
6:18 pm
DOB,
1st of all…….learn to treat my person with respect, since thats the way I treat you personally …….. since you are a smart person, Im sure you are exactly what Im talking about. If not, Ill give you a hint……… Im not talking about this nor a recent blog conversation.
Now baseball,
2nd of all………Im not talking about who didnt won a WS ring. Yogi won 10……..he is in the HOF. Barry won 0, he does not deserve one nor to be in the HOF. Schilling won 3……….that is no coincidence. Griffey didnt win one……so what? that right…….so what???
3rd could you name 3 players (preferably pitchers or non utility players since we are talking pitchers here) with 3 or more WS rings that are not currently or that will be in the HOF?
Im sure you can come with some……we will debate on that once you come up with the answers.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:19 pm
if the braves dont need glavine until, a week or so into the season, the braves could carry 11 pitchers…DAP
thats a possibility but I kinda doubt it, especially with Moylan and Soriano being a bit questionable I’m just not sure he would take both and cut a pitcher. If Moylan isn’t ready enough to start the season it make make your thought more likely. That’s one of the funnest things about coming to the end of ST. speculation starts to have some meaning
RHR
March 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm
scooots – I don’t want to say which blog since it was on this site.
dogsbrekky – that whole thing with leann rhimes was just a publicity stunt, don’t you think? but i agree, her husband has always seemed to be of questionable orientation, to put it nicely.
dude – today was an off day, if someone hasn’t already answered you.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm
If Soriano is sooooooooo ready, how come he has not seen so much action in ST? My prediction is that he will have a mirror 2008 season.
Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm
Never seen much talk here bout the Grateful Dread. Anybody else hate them as badly as I do?
I envision Hell as sitting in a bare room, The Dread playing 24/7.
RHR
March 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm
woah woah woah…the newscaster just was talking about that new $2000 car made in India and she pronounced the name as Ta Ta Motors. Is that right or is she just from Alabama…?
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
6:26 pm
Doc Holiday,
I wouldn’t want anyone to cheat, but here’s a list of players with the most seasons on a World Series roster.
Luis Sojo was on four World Series winning teams. That’s as many as Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Pedro.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:28 pm
maybe we will add a power bat next year (heyward DAP
I kinda doubt it
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
6:28 pm
Enter your comments here
Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
6:30 pm
Funny RHR, but as we all know, there are no newscasters from Alabama…
ATL
March 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm
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Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm
Doc, I tried to enter my comments where you said; wouldn’t take em…
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm
DAP, his ERA+ was excellent all the years I mentioned. DOB, I never said Schilling should or shouldn’t get into the Hall. I just said his lack of Cy Youngs isn’t a blemish on his resume. The 3 Cy Young type seasons will actually help, not hurt him. I also do believe that both him and Blyleven belong in the Hall. On your Schilling/Smoltz analysis. One thing to consider is that Schilling wasn’t a starter and didn’t pitch a ton of innings for his first 4 years. Smoltz came out of the gate starting games. They both had 20 year careers thusfar, but they’re not equivalent 20 year careers. And Smoltz also belongs in the Hall.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
6:34 pm
Chop Chop
If your read carefully, I said “non utility players” please………..and that is exactly what Luis Sojo was. Or are you trying to compare Sojo to Schilling? A guy that only played more than 100 games in only 4 seasons? Come on, you can do better than that. I mean………..name players that had impact in the WS and because of their presence their team won, and not only because they helped filling the Gatorade TM cooler.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:35 pm
And throw hard.And apparently 6+innings of ST ball is enough to convince some people that the new guys are just as effective as Ohman. KIrk
I don’t think anybody really meant that Kirk, I know I didn’t not did PT, but OK
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
6:36 pm
Shamus Thacker,
Thats because you dont have the VIP card………want one? you know what to do……..
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
6:44 pm
Personally, it Moylan and Soriano aren’t ready to go 100% out of the gate, they should be left in extended spring training until they are completely ready.
Otherwise, we just screw up our roster with guys that can’t be relied on for a daily (if needed) contribution.
So, in my scenario, that might mean only needing 11 pitchers if you leave those guys off the 25 man.
While I like many of our bench players, I don’t really care for the inflexibility of our bench in general. With Diaz (assuming he will platoon with BJones or GAnderson) and Norton on the squad, you limit yourself. Also, with Chippers need for a caddy, you make it hard to deal Prado for good help, unless it is another third baseman.
Just too many limiting factors with some of these guys.
I like Infante and Ross, and add in Diaz. But I would love to see us deal for a stud player who can really do it from 3-4 positions. Prado is limited to first, second and third. Norton to pinch hitting and the corner OF positions. Who covers CF when a double switch is needed? Infante?? He is a defensive liability in the outfield.
Starting to get the “season opening” itch out here in UT!!!
Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
6:45 pm
I’ll just stick with the public boggin Doc, I don’t lean that way… lol
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:45 pm
nstead of the proposed loogys why can’t we just use JoJo Reyes, his stuff by all accounts is much stronger this year and he has developed a good change up, he is better than all of the proposed LH relievers DogsB
good question but it has been reported that they do not see him in bullpen, though I don’t believe that the thinking behind that sentiment was explained. Since starters are as a rule more valuable than most relievers I guess they are holding him for backup and would hope to get more in a trade if he is considered a starter?
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
6:48 pm
Doc Holiday, I just posted the Sojo thing to bait you.
Paul O’Neill has five rings. He ain’t going to the Hall. He’s got as many rings as Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, Pedro, and Randy Johnson.
Go take a look at some of those Yankee players with six or seven rings that aren’t in the Hall. The fact is that most players don’t get that many chances to win rings. The ones that do have often lucked into playing with the right team at the right time. Jeff Nelson has four rings. Is he going to the Hall? He was a bullpen guy, or is that a “utility” player? Elston Howard has four rings. Vic Raschi (who?) has six rings. Scott Brosius has three.
Alfredo Griffin and Lonnie Smith have three rings.
When the hell did “impact” enter the equation?
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
6:50 pm
I’m waiting for someone to post as “Vic Raschi’s Grandson” and read me the riot act for dissing Vic.
Tomas
March 23rd, 2009
6:51 pm
DOB, the thing is Schilling has two world series rings, in which both he was a big part of.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
6:52 pm
Nolie, the organization likes Reyes as a starter. And why not? When he keeps the ball down and doesn’t walk anyone he throws gems. Literally. Then he loses his control and sucks it up, but when you’ve seen a guy throw gems you like him as a starter. At this point, there’s no evidence to suggest Reyes isn’t capable of consistently locating his pitches. He’s still way young.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:53 pm
What happened to Cody Johnson? Why is he not being hyped up like Freeman and Heyward? What’s the deal on him? BUFFALO NY FAN
I’m not DOB, but Cody is nowhere near the prospect that Freeman and Heyward are. Both of those guys are better more disciplined hitters. Cody is still pretty much a one trick pony kinda hitter. Tons of power but very high SOs and not a lot of patience. His career so far has been kinda inconsistent year to year also. He may improve in enough areas to increase interest in him and I’m not saying that he has been written off, but there is a significant difference between him and the other two. A lot of guys who analyze swings did not like him(Cody) when he was drafted, and so far at least he has not proven them entirely wrong
CB
March 23rd, 2009
6:55 pm
DOB,I am one of the newer bloggers and I recently broached the subject of not giving a roster spot to GREG NORTON but instead give it to one of our younger players like BRANDON JONES.I respect NORTON’S ability but feel it is time to give the younger players an opportunity.Would you give your opinion? thanks.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:56 pm
dogsbrekky infante can play CF DAP
yeah but I wouldn’t wanna see it on a regular basis.
McFann :Ô:
March 23rd, 2009
6:57 pm
Dogsbrekky–
$500 a week?? Dang…Well, that bird food cann get pricey, especially if you’re feeding that many.
BlawgDawg–
Tsk tsk tsk! How could you do such a thing?
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
6:58 pm
Chop Chop,
IMPACT entered the equation the moment we started having a conversation. If you mention Guys like Sojo, Nelson, Brosious, then it looks like you are not being realistic. Are you putting them in the same league as Schillings? I hope not. Have any of them been WS MVP?
Lew
March 23rd, 2009
6:58 pm
DOB-Also in Smoltz’s favor is that. in addition to the disparity in saves vs. Schilling, Smoltz also has a Cy Young and Fireman of the Year Award-Schilling does not on either front. Smoltz also (if I remember correctly) owns the NL record for saves in a season and the only other pitcher in ML history with comparable saves/wins is Eckersley-already inducted. Smoltz is in, Schilling not, though Schilling’s Three WS rings don’t hurt his chances.
N8
March 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm
DOB, here is a quote from Carroll’s piece about the Braves spring trainging questions remaining.
“Schafer has been a hot hitter but the Braves might not want his arbitration clock ticking this early, making him a potential “Super 2” and eligible for arbitration a year early.”
Really? I thought Wren said that the Braves want to compete this year? Isn’t his JOB to put the BEST guy for the job on the field?
Not saying that in the end Anderson won’t be the best guy for the job. Or that young Jordan could use a month or so at AAA.
But if in their minds Schafer is clearly the better player that gives them the best shot at winning THIS YEAR, how are they supposed to sell the fans that they are trying to win and not pinch future pennies?
Not trying to go all “H8″ on anybody. But I don’t think the Ted Turner owned Braves were EVER concerned about when Chipper’s “clock” started, were they?
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
7:02 pm
Lew, you mentioned rather trivial things that largely have nothing to do with weather or not the player is better. Schilling had a better season in 2001 than Smoltz did in 1996. Yet Smoltz has a Cy Young and Schilling doesn’t. The intelligent voters see that and don’t hold it against Smoltz. Schilling was never in the closer role for an extended period of time so it doesn’t make sense to take away from him just because he doesn’t have a similar number of saves.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
7:03 pm
I meant won’t hold it against Schilling, not Smoltz.
N8
March 23rd, 2009
7:05 pm
I should point out that I realize that Carroll used the word “might” in here sentence, and this isn’t a direct quote of Wren’s thought process.
Also I should note that in no way am I saying Schafer is gonna be the next Chipper. But the Braves couldn’t WAIT to get Chipper in the lineup (even had him penciled in to play LF – replacing Gant), and start his clock.
Nor were they concerned about Andruw’s clock starting at age 19. Why? Because they were gonna help the team.
I sure hope that if Schafer can help the team in April, that the FUTURE budget of the Braves doesn’t cause them to keep that clock on “snooze”.
Ronald Millsaps
March 23rd, 2009
7:08 pm
DON’T let go of Josh Anderson, please!!!!! Here’s a guy who stepped up and played VERY well last season, in the minors AND in the majors, and if we were to release him now, I’d seriously question the logic.
Here’s a guy who, as reported, is out of options. We either can play him, trade him, or release him, and it’d better be the first option because this guy stepped up and showed a rarified ability to steal bases, unmatched even by Rafael Furcal, who was highly talented but who didn’t always have the on-base percentage necessary and who perhaps lacked the necessary work ethic.
Don’t trade anyone! As for a backup at third, well, we have Omar Infante, the most versatile bench player in the game and a terrific hitter, not to mention Martin Prado, who can back up there.
I definitely wouldn’t trade Jorge Campillo. Here’s a guy who pitched some of the best games I’ve ever seen last season and who has the mound presence that Kyle Davies, Chuck James, and several others have lacked. Cutting ties with this man would be foolish.
This team has the talent to win the World Series this season. I wouldn’t disrupt team chemistry by making many, if any, moves, and I definitely–again–would cut ties with Anderson or Campillo. Anderson’s work to develop his God-given talent is one of the main reasons I’m optimistic about this season, and I think we’ll look back on not acquiring Rafael Furcal as a good thing.
There has been a lot of baseball played over the last four weeks, perhaps too much. Perhaps baseball needs to cut back a little bit and just let teams spend more time in spring training playing intrasquad games and using more time to work on specific needs, as opposed to postponing those efforts to compete.
Perhaps this team should try to see if Brandon Jones could play infield eventually. Perhaps this team also should trade Dave Ross, make Clint Sammons the backup, and use the resulting revenue difference to sweeten the offer to Will Ohman, who very well might be needed more than ever before. Overall, there are a lot of fine, fine players at all positions on this team. I’d be prayerful before making any trades. I expect this team to return to mid-90s form this season or at least very close to it.
Epinephrine
March 23rd, 2009
7:14 pm
Wayne in Utah, couldn’t disagree more. I’d much rather have Moylan and Soriano, who can just about guarantee a closed door, once every three or four nights, than 3 Manny Acostas who will give you a heart attack three nights in a row. Carry the extra pitcher I say.
Lew
March 23rd, 2009
7:14 pm
PWHjort-Doesn’t make a bit of difference, IMO, when the votes are tallied. Like I said earlier, too-Many don’t place much credence in win totals anymore either, but the voters DO. Same with having a CY. They won’t compare seasons or that Schilling’s record came in second though he had a better comparative year than when John won his. They will see that Smoltz has the Cy and Schilling doesn’t.
Lew
March 23rd, 2009
7:16 pm
Besides-Smoltz is pitching this year and Schilling retired. They won’t go into the running for induction the same year so there will likely NOT be any comparison.
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
7:19 pm
Epinephrine
Sorry to disagree, but if the guy can’t go two days in a row he potentially hurts your team (by carrying an extra pitcher, you deplete your bench). Like many are saying (which I strongly disagree with) with Schafer, if he needs more time, give him more time.
I don’t see how it can be any different with our relievers. I would rather have them at full strength in May that part-time in April.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
7:19 pm
Lew, the voters are pretty smart and statistically advanced. They actually put less stock into wins than you think. And they won’t only look at Cy Youngs.
Lew
March 23rd, 2009
7:19 pm
Just noticed the flaw in my chain of assumptions-If Schilling is not elected first ballot, he and Smoltz will be on the ballot together. Nonetheless, the rest holds true. You’ve got to think of how the voters usually vote and they’re not always totally rational.
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
7:21 pm
Schilling is not hall of fame caliber. If Murph is not good enough, I can’t see where Schilling will fill the bill.
18 Wheels of Love
March 23rd, 2009
7:21 pm
N8, agree with your comments on arb clocks starting. You field the best team and if you consider Schafer the future and Josh just a temporary seat warmer, you play Schafer and not worry about this clock. If you deem Schafer the guy and he is ready to play now, you DFA or trade Josh. I realize their is a budgetary side of things things that must be considered but the ultimate and urgent goal is to field a winner now, because we certainly are NOT in a rebuilding mode.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
7:21 pm
because we know what happens when he turns it around. DOC
what happens is a 312/398/512/910 hitter. It isn’t as good as lefty but its better than most RHed hitters in the bigs so I’m wondering why the tone of that post? unless I’m misreading it?
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
7:22 pm
Scott Brosius was the 1998 World Series MVP, Doc.
David Eckstein is a potential Hall of Famer. Two rings and a World Series MVP. Scrappilicious, baby.
KC
March 23rd, 2009
7:27 pm
“The Braves Have Added More Than You Think”
BravesBlast.com Blog
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
7:32 pm
Saw “I Love You, Man” today. Very funny movie.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
7:38 pm
CB: You want my opinion over giving a roster spot to Brandon Jones over Greg Norton? I think that’s not going to happen, and shouldn’t happen. Greg Norton has been one of the best pinch-hitters in baseball for the past several years. You need a proven pinch-hitter like that on your bench. You don’t play rookies once every week or so and assume they can get a pinch-hit when you stick them into a game in a crucial situation, sometimes after having no at-bats in the previous two or three games (or more).
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
7:41 pm
Doc Holliday, I have no idea what you mean by treat your person with respect. But I just saw your question about World Series rings, and I think a few people have answered since then, so i don’t have to do the research. Thanks, folks.
mets09WSchamps
March 23rd, 2009
7:45 pm
God your Braves are going to suck this year. As good of a spring as the Braves may have had, most of those contributing will be back in the minors. You’ll be looking up at the Phillies and Mets, hell maybe even the Marlins for YEARS to come!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
7:45 pm
Chop Chop
are those 2 guys your best arguments?
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
7:48 pm
Could you name 3 players (preferably pitchers or non utility players since we are talking pitchers here) with 3 or more WS rings that are not currently or that will be in the HOF? – Doc Holliday
Off the top of my head, Mike Timlin has four World Series rings — two with Toronto, two with Boston. He ain’t going to the Hall of Fame.
But I’d like to say again, I do think Schilling will probably get in. But it’s not a given. That’s all I said.
Random
March 23rd, 2009
7:49 pm
N8 (7:01 pm): “I thought Wren said that the Braves want to compete this year? Isn’t his JOB to put the BEST guy for the job on the field?
“Not saying that in the end Anderson won’t be the best guy for the job. Or that young Jordan could use a month or so at AAA.
“But if in their minds Schafer is clearly the better player that gives them the best shot at winning THIS YEAR, how are they supposed to sell the fans that they are trying to win and not pinch future pennies?”
Let’s assume for the sake of argument that Schafer is indeed clearly the better player.
What makes you think that the Braves cannot nevertheless compete this year starting the season with the lesser JAnderson? Is he that much worse? Just how much CF performance would the Braves be sacrificing by going with JAnderson rather than Schafer on Opening Day?
Wouldn’t starting the season with JAnderson give the Braves a better chance to trade him after a month or so, or even to slip him through waivers? (Tip o’ the hat to DAP.)
There are many times in life when you hold your best in reserve for maximum later effect — this may be one of them.
BravesFan InRockies
March 23rd, 2009
8:03 pm
Random
If J.Anderson plays to expectations — that is, a below-average OBP with no power — then he doesn’t enhance his trade value by playing.
Yes, I’m suggesting that the Braves try to get somebody to take him off their hands hoping that the taker doesn’t realize that he’s essentially a AAAA OF with a lot of speed, solid defensive abilities, and not much else.
Couch Tater
March 23rd, 2009
8:10 pm
DOB,
I assume you have seen Joe Posnanski’s new blog, but just in case..
http://futureofpapers.blogspot.com/
Randy S
March 23rd, 2009
8:11 pm
Doc
Don’t know if these guys have been mentioned or not.
Paul O’Neil
Mike Stanton
Devon White
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
8:13 pm
BFIR Completetly agree. Some are too darned worried about keeping a player who will probably never contribute much to a pennant contending team.
Why such a worry about losing a guy like Josh Anderson? I really don’t understand it. If we truly want to win this year, we darn sure better go with our best players. Another reason why KK would potentially be sent to AAA and give Hanson a shot with the big club.
To be perfectly honest, I don’t really think it is ALL about winning and losing. I think the finance end plays a lot bigger part than some would lead you to believe.
But then again, what do I know. I had my Tigers making it to the sweet 16!
18 Wheels of Love
March 23rd, 2009
8:13 pm
Random, did you just suggest the Braves should sandbag and not play their best CF’er? Never heard that one before. Of course Philly did it for years with Howard in AAA, but I doubt any GM thinks like that.
Random
March 23rd, 2009
8:15 pm
18 Wheels of Love (7:21 pm): “N8, agree with your comments on arb clocks starting. You field the best team and if you consider Schafer the future and Josh just a temporary seat warmer, you play Schafer and not worry about this clock.”
If Schafer IS the future, then of course you worry now about exactly how many future years’ service he will give you. Especially when it’s within your control.
And you will not needlessly start his clock if you can help it.
And that is the crux of the argument — not is JAnderson better than Schafer, but is JAnderson good enough, right here, right now, to allow the Braves to delay starting Schafer’s clock without sacrificing the season (or even putting it in significant jeopardy or doubt)?
BravesFan InRockies
March 23rd, 2009
8:18 pm
Wayne
I think the infatuation with Josh is a result of the Braves being so speed-deprived (or is the PC term speed-challenged?) since Furcal left. Now that there’s a potential burner on the lineup, a lot of fans are willing to overlook his obvious deficiencies.
BravesFan InRockies
March 23rd, 2009
8:20 pm
Also Wayne,
If you field your best team then the fans will spend their declining discretionary income to watch them paly. If you play seat-warmers instead and don’t put your best players on the field (the ML-ready ones, of course — I’m not arguing that you rush Heyward to the bigs), the fans are more likely to stay home. Particularly in a lousy economy.
RHR
March 23rd, 2009
8:21 pm
DOB – I saw I Love You, Man over the weekend….. with my mom. Really I should have known better and I’m sure it’s nothing she hasn’t heard before but PSA – don’t see it with your mom!
18 Wheels of Love
March 23rd, 2009
8:22 pm
I’m with you Random, I think you take that into consideration for sure. And that’s the thing, I think Schafer is more dynamic and would contribute more across the board than Josh, hence making Josh expendable.
Random
March 23rd, 2009
8:26 pm
BravesFan InRockies (8:03 pm): “If J.Anderson plays to expectations — that is, a below-average OBP with no power — then he doesn’t enhance his trade value by playing.”
Then the alternative I mentioned — slipping him through waivers — should be a piece of cake. (JK)
Btw, those are your expectations — are they Wren’s or Cox’?
They’re not mine, nor many others’ here.
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
8:30 pm
You make your best decisions TODAY, with the facts that you have in front of you. Then, you move forward, and you DON’T look back and second guess.
I don’t think that includes doing something chicken s_ _ _ like leaving a better player off your roster for a while, so you can salvage his arbitration clock. (like the Rays did last spring with Eva L)
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
8:37 pm
Doc You asked Chop Chop if any of those had been WS MVP’s, Chop Chop says, actually yes, Brosios was MVP of 98 WS. (Which I think would mean he IMPACTED his team that series)
Then he mentions David Eickstein, who was a starter on those teams and not a utility guy, and was MVP (again, obviously IMPACTED his team).
After being corrected, all you can say is, are those two guys your best argument? Come on my man, even though Chop Chop came with guys that meet ALL of the requirements you set forward, you still won’t admit that you were corrected. Guess your just not the kind of person to have an honest, back and forth discussion with since you can’t even admit when you were wrong. I think more than 3 players that you asked to be named have been put forward, man up and admit it.
I know I know guys, asking Doc to admit an error is like asking Curt Schilling to stop being a jerk, just ain’t gonna happen.
Random
March 23rd, 2009
8:38 pm
18 Wheels of Love (8:13 pm): “did you just suggest the Braves should sandbag and not play their best CF’er?”
No, not if they don’t immediately need him.
I would not consider that “sandbagging” — we’re not trying to establish our handicap here.
I would consider it strategically keeping a force in reserve, like many brilliant generals have done through the ages. An ace in the hole. A card up our sleeves. With an additional year of ML service being the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
IF possible – it may not be. The sacrifice in CF performance from Schafer to JAnderson may be judged to be too great to allow the Braves to open with the latter.
But in my mind, THAT is the quetion.
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
8:45 pm
Random
Your scenario is EXACTLY what I would call sandbagging. Why would you not play your best, ready for the majors, players?? To do otherwise would be sending the wrong message to your fans.
Now, that doesn’t mean that the Braves WON’T pick Anderson over Schafer, and if they do, I will be pulling for Anderson to hit, run and field to the best of his ability.
It’s just from my point of view, it seems that Schafer is the easy choice. (yes, I have heard the story too many times about getting Schafer more seasoning, so please, no need to repeat that point, valid or not)
Random
March 23rd, 2009
8:47 pm
DAP (4:38 pm) — I expect Nady to tank in 2009 (as well as Abreu).
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
8:48 pm
DOB
OK, it’s your team. Spring training is over today. Who do you start in CF tomorrow?
Who are your first 4 starters tomorrow?
As for me, it would be Scafer, Lowe, Jurrjens, Vazquez, and Hanson. But then again, what do I know.
JCG
March 23rd, 2009
8:53 pm
Cowherd made a good point this morning about Schilling. He has pissed off a few members of the media in the past and some of them do have a hall of fame vote.
BravesFan InRockies
March 23rd, 2009
8:55 pm
Random
Yes, those are exactly my expectations, based on six years of minor league performance rather than a couple of cups of coffee in the majors (most of the sips taking place in September, where face it, the rosters are expanded and hitters can face pitchers who weren’t good enough to make the 25-man during the main part of the season).
Wren and Cox may hope for more but are they likely to get it?
BravesFan InRockies
March 23rd, 2009
8:56 pm
Also, I don’t think the Braves can afford to sandbag, nor should they, given their failure to make the postseason three straight years. The games count just as much in April as they do in September.
Lew
March 23rd, 2009
9:00 pm
It still amazes me that so many here fail to realize that Schafer has all of 280 AB at AA. The Dude is having a great Spring. So what? Spring Training means nothing (haven’t we heard THAT one enough recently?). You have absolutely NO idea how he might perform in the show. None. Zero. etc. etc.. Arguably, he hasn’t even faced that high a caliber of pitching yet this spring, given that many of the best have been at the WBC a good bit of the time.
Yet Anderson, in almost as many ML AB’s as Schafer has at AA. (about 75 less or so), has hit .315 with an OBP of .363 and stolen 11 of 13 bases. Now granted this is not the hugest of sample sizes, but it has shown him to be successful when called up to the majors. His defense is close enough to Schafer’s that it shouldn’t even be a concern.
Given that starting Schafer later in the year could conceivably save the Braves, a cash strapped team for years, the equivalent of millions of dollars, leaving Schafer a mere half hour away if needed, I fail to see what harm could possibly accrue by letting Josh Anderson start the year in center and Schafer at Gwinnett.
All of this talk about not starting the best possible player is a load of manure. At this point you don’t know that Jordan IS the better player yet. He projects to be and we certainly hope he lives up to expectations, but 280 AA AB;s and a good spring is not proof. Just because we all think he will be our future is no reason to throw him to the wolves when other alternatives exist to be tried. Let him grow up first.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
9:01 pm
RHR — ouch, bad call on seeing I Love You, Mam, with the female parental unit. That’s even worse than my faux pas a couple years ago, when I saw Charlie Wilson’s War with my mom while I was at their house in Wilson, N.C., for Christmas (think of the opening scene, hot tub, etc)
But I Love You, Man, had a few conversations that would have been quite uncomfortable for viewing with mom. Quite.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
9:02 pm
Ahh … time for 24.
Tomas
March 23rd, 2009
9:03 pm
The thing with Schilling is that he exceled in post season, and has 3 world series rings. He was 1993 NLCS mvp, and won a WS with the Phillies, he was the WS mvp in 2001 with Arizona, in 2004 he had the bloody suck and ended the 86 year old draught after being 3-0 against the Yankees in the ALCS, and also won in 2007 his last season in the big leagues.
But if you believe Andre Dawson is a first ballot hall of famer, then Schilling should be a first ballot HOF too. I understand that you’re comparing John Smoltz, Greg Maddux, and Tom Glavine to Schilling, and obviously Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddux are HOF.
And if Schilling is a first ballot HOF, then Jamie Moyer would be a first ballot HOF.
The thing with Schilling is that he is an impact player and Moyer isn’t.
Take Pedro Martinez for example, if he were to retire right now, he is a first ballot HOF isn’t he?
Random
March 23rd, 2009
9:04 pm
Shamus Thacker —
Funny!!!
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
9:05 pm
lol @ “female parental unit.” Haven’t heard that one.
f.n.hale
March 23rd, 2009
9:06 pm
I’m with Random on this Schaefer/Josh Anderson scenario. My guess is Schaefer turns out to be the better player but IMO Josh has shown he isn’t overmatched at this level and what would it hurt to get a look at what he can do on an every day basis for a month or two. I don’t have stats to back it up but it seems like he’s gotten better the last couple of weeks as the competition heated up. Maybe the Braves don’t really know what he is yet and need to find out. If he doesn’t stink, it probably hasn’t cost them much to see and if he does they bring Schaefer up.
winterville
March 23rd, 2009
9:10 pm
Schilling never won a WS with the Phils did he?
CharlieAlphaBravo
March 23rd, 2009
9:13 pm
I unwittingly got trapped into watching Unfaithful with my parents and girlfriend… That’s the first and only time I’ve ever wanted Diane Lane to put her clothes back on.
SoWeGa Fanatic
March 23rd, 2009
9:14 pm
In 1996, Schilling in 26 starts had a 3.19 era, surrendered only 149 hits in 183 IP with 50 BB & 182 K’s. He was smoking! His record? 9-10!!! Unbelievable. Of course, the Phils only won 67 games that year. Just saying.
diamondlady01
March 23rd, 2009
9:18 pm
McFann-Love your choice of music lyrics earlier today!
J.D.
March 23rd, 2009
9:19 pm
DOB, speaking about faux pas in movie watching, I was with my grandparents last year at their house when they suggested we go to the movies. I was all for it, and my grandma suggests we go see Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Being 20, I am a fan of Judd Apatow and knew what this movie would entail. I tried to talk to her about what would probably be in it and she said it got good reviews and heard good things about it. So, off we go to the movies. Nevertheless, the first scene when he dances without his towel on clinched the prize for most awkward moment in my life. I enjoy telling this story to all my family, and it gets a ride out of everyone that hears it.
N8
March 23rd, 2009
9:21 pm
Lew, your 9:00 point is a good one. NOBODY knows what Schafer will do.
That being said NOBODY knew what Francoeur or McCann would do above AA either (remember that BOTH of them hit for a higher average at the major league level – than they did earlier in the year when at AA), not to mention that Andruw wasn’t a sure thing either.
My point I made, has little to do with whether Schafer is ready or not, or whether Anderson has options, or whether Anderson has as many major league AB’s as Schafer does at AA.
My point is that IF the Braves feel that Schafer IS ready, and could contribute with his bat as much as Anderson (because all counts state that Schafer is superior defensively), that I would find it silly to NOT go with Schafer as to not start his “clock”.
I clearly stated that before. Not sure if your post was directed at me (since you only said “people”). If it wasn’t. My bad. If it was. You were ignoring my point (or attempt at a point).
The ENTIRE rant (and it’s not even a rant – just making a point), is based on the fact that JS running a Ted Turner owned team, more than likely NEVER would have been faced with sending a kid back to AAA as to not start his clock, is said kid was deemed ready to contribute.
If said decision to send a kid to AAA to start the year is based on his ABILITY, great. But if it’s a financially generated decision, as a FAN that bothers me.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
9:24 pm
In my opinion, Blanco should be on the team in some capacity. He’s probably the 5th best outfielder (behind Ganderson, Diaz, Schafer, and an improved Francoeur), but we’re going to miss his OBP in that line-up. Though we won’t miss his poor fielding or inability to hit for power.
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
9:25 pm
There is a road TO Gwinnett FROM Atlanta, as well as a road TO Atlanta FROM Gwinnett.
Our season is going to be on the bubble as it stands (not withstanding a great spring). Why not give the kid a shot to show if he is ready? I think we are too darned worried about “protecting” Josh Anderson than finding out if Jordan Schafer is ready. I really don’t think Josh Anderson is going to lead us to the post season. (Heck, Schafer might not either)
But, I think if we expect to play in the post season, a lot of things will have to happen, and ONE of them will be for our CF’er to do well at the major league level. I just believe our better shot at that is with Schafer, and not with Anderson.
BUT, I personally think the starting CF’er will be either Blanco or Anderson, cause the Braves like to “baby” their prospects. I just don’t happen to agree with it.
But, the last time I checked, Bobby or Frank hadn’t called out here to Utah to ask my humble opinion yet.
I think we are getting too worried about protecting a AAAA player. I hope I am wrong…..
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
9:25 pm
nolie, always takin’ shots, and nobody plays back; Bay Area Steve
I meant to respond to this earlier in the day and things came up. Do you seriously view what I said about PTBNL posts as taking a shot at him? If so it was not meant negatively at all. I sincerely complimented him just couched in the locker-room humor vernacular. I kid around a lot in that manner but it is kidding, I very seldom mean to take a shot at a guy just because I might not agree with him about something. I might need to re-evaluate my style.
SoWeGa Fanatic
March 23rd, 2009
9:26 pm
Pedro was dominant – when he pitched. He threw 200+ innings 7 times. Maddux did it 17, Glavine 14, Schilling 8, and even Smoltz with 4 years in the pen had 10.
BravesFan InRockies
March 23rd, 2009
9:28 pm
Lew,
I get it. Give Anderson a chance. Thing is, Schafer’s minor league performance is better than Anderson’s. And I know of no one who thinks Anderson has Schafer’s upside. Again, the Braves have missed the postseason three straight years. Why not play the guy who can do more to help you win now?
Lew
March 23rd, 2009
9:28 pm
Nathan-No it wasn’t directed at you-it’s something I’ve been saying all along, as many here have grabbed a good spring and run with it.. As to Frenchy and Mac-they also had half a season in the minors the year they were called up. Maybe it helped them to perform at the level they did when they were called up.
N8
March 23rd, 2009
9:30 pm
Random, good point at 7:49 (about holding your “reserve” for later).
As for you asking me what makes me think the Braves couldn’t compete with Anderson instead of Schafer (even with you stating that with the assumption that Schafer might be the better player)?
I get your question. Really, I do. If YOU have that much confidence in this team to think it can’t use the best available players on ALL FRONTS. That’s cool. I don’t. I think we need the best we’ve got at all position, regardless of salary owed, or when a clock starts.
If Hanson can help this team win NOW, and he has a better spring than anybody NOT named Lowe or JJJ, then he should be in the rotation, and others should be the odd men out, IMO. Never gonna happen. But that is my opinion.
My point, was that if a GM makes his decisions on who makes the club, based on FUTURE salaries, and NOT with the short-term best interests of a club that may or may not be better than the teams they failed to keep up with last year, that’s just silly.
It’s counter productive.
Sure it might cost more down the road, but if the results are there, then more people will pay to come see the product.
Ironically, I think that due to his lead-off ability (experience) and base-stealing threat he provides, I think that Anderson IS the better option early in the year, until one of them proves other wise.
But nobody actually asked me which guy I liked to win the job. Again. It wasn’t my point.
I do believe, I’ve made it clear now. LOL! Anyhow, not tryin’ to nitpick with anybody. Haven’t had much time for blogging lately. But check in daily to read. Just had to chime in on what I thought to be a valid point/argument.
Steve McP
March 23rd, 2009
9:31 pm
According to the Baseball America magazine, the Braves wanted to see Schafer get more at bats against left handers at AAA, which is why they were not expecting him to start with Atanta this year.
Of course this was an older article and maybe he has persuaded them with his exciting play that he is ready, but I cannot access a comparison of his AB’s versus lefties and righties to see if there is a discrepancy.
N8
March 23rd, 2009
9:32 pm
Good point Lew (about McCann and Francoeur using the “demotion” out of ST as a springboard to their success).
Let’s make no mistake about it as well. Injuries and guys (Mondesi & Jordan, along with Estrada), fast-tracked BOTH of those guys.
I suspect that had Estrada been healthy, McCann NEVER comes up that year….
As to NOT start his clock. LOL!
Random
March 23rd, 2009
9:33 pm
Wayne in Utah (6:44 pm): “Personally, it Moylan and Soriano aren’t ready to go 100% out of the gate, they should be left in extended spring training until they are completely ready.
“Otherwise, we just screw up our roster with guys that can’t be relied on for a daily (if needed) contribution.
“So, in my scenario, that might mean only needing 11 pitchers if you leave those guys off the 25 man.”
So you’re saying to leave two of our (arguably) most effective three relievers in extended ST (I can see the reasoning in that), but then on top of that go into the season without compensating for their absence? (I assume you’re talking about 4 SPs until 18 Apr.)
That don’t make sense to me — if you minus 2 of our best RPs from the BP, I’d think you’d need to plus it up until the 5th SP’s first start and/or they return.
I’d go with 4 SPs and 8 RPs and the standard 5 man bench that we’re going to have to get by with for the whole season. I think Diaz/Norton/Infnate/Prado/Ross will be top-notch.
SoWeGa Fanatic
March 23rd, 2009
9:33 pm
We won’t miss Blanco’s 100+ K’s either. Come to think of it, he doesn’t bring much at all to the team, does he?
Epinephrine
March 23rd, 2009
9:37 pm
Everyone has made their viewpoints concerning Schafer and Anderson perfectly clear. There really isn’t much of a reason to beat a dead horse. We should let their play over the next two weeks do the talking. If Anderson can prove he has made strides with his OBP, and is ready to get down bunts and draw walks, he has probably earned the opportunity. If he doesn’t (ie, if his OBP stays as low as it is right now), and Schafer continues to play well, I’d give the nod to him. But at this point, let’s stop discussing the same points ad nauseum.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
9:38 pm
Bravesfan Inrockies, I think the goal is still to succeed long term. If they want to do that they can’t completely rule out the future when making decisions. They want to give themselves the best chance to win for a long time, but 2009 will NOT be their best chance to win over the next 7 years, I guarantee that. Subtracting a little from those chances to invest them in your future could pay off bigtime.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
9:40 pm
Japan or Korea?
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
9:40 pm
Random
Good point on the bullpen. I guess the jest of what I was trying to say was this: If the guys are not COMPLETELY ready, then I would prefer to wait until they are.
As for CF, I know there will be 3 schools of thought on that position. I don’t know if one is right, and the others are wrong, but just a direction. Blanco, JAnderson, or Schafer.
I just vote for the guy with the most upside that has had a successful spring.
N8
Dang, are we agreeing on Schafer??? I always knew you were a fart smeller!
JCG
March 23rd, 2009
9:42 pm
Dave, 10pm on CMT, Crossroads with Jamey Johnson and Shooter Jennings should be a good show!
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
9:43 pm
Epinephrine
What, don’t you enjoy beat that dead horse until he is a greasy spot in the road??
PJWhort Japan/Korea? Does anybody really care??
Random
March 23rd, 2009
9:44 pm
Wayne in Utah (8:45 pm): “Your scenario is EXACTLY what I would call sandbagging. Why would you not play your best, ready for the majors, players?? “
Why not play your best? Only because you may not immediately NEED your best — your second best is deemed adequate for the nonce.
Call it what you will — only recognize that we don’t read the same negative connotations into your term “sandbagging”. (Nor am I even sure what you mean by it.)
I thought the bottom-line was Wins, not entertainment — if you can get an equivalent number of Wins with JAnderson the first few months as you would with Schafer, what does it matter if Schafer is actually the better player?
By “sandbagging” him, you have assured the team an extra year of his ML service. Without sacrificing the team’s ability to compete.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm
Given that starting Schafer later in the year could conceivably save the Braves, a cash strapped team for years, the equivalent of millions of dollars, leaving Schafer a mere half hour away if needed, I fail to see what harm could possibly accrue by letting Josh Anderson start the year in center and Schafer at Gwinnett.
All of this talk about not starting the best possible player is a load of manure. At this point you don’t know that Jordan IS the better player yet. He projects to be and we certainly hope he lives up to expectations, but 280 AA AB;s and a good spring is not proof. Just because we all think he will be our future is no reason to throw him to the wolves when other alternatives exist to be tried. Let him grow up first LEW
C’mon Lew that is way too rational a post for such a hot subject.
We can remember Betemit who everybody thought was gonna be the next Chipper Jones(if you were on boards at all back then you have to remember the hoopla) and all that was based on a really great half season at AA, actually much better than Schafers. He never came close to living up to all that hype and the constant calls to “bring him up now!”
I think you and Random(what an unusual combo) are pretty correct in your thinking. It’s not nearly so much about possibly losing Josh as it is about solidifying Schafer’s long term future, and financial considerations. But emotion runs rampant on the ol’ board as it usually does. Expect a mutiny if Schafer starts in AAA. and a riot if Josh starts the season in the Ted with an 0 fur 10 or so.
BravesFan InRockies
March 23rd, 2009
9:51 pm
SoWeGa Fanatic
If Blanco had any power to speak of, or could steal 30+ bases at a high percentage, he would win the Braves starting CF job, considering how often he got on base in 2008. So you’re right. He doesn’t bring that much more to the table than Schafer or Anderson.
You have to wonder if he doesn’t have some trade value, however. On-base abilties are worth something, aren’t they?
Random
March 23rd, 2009
9:52 pm
Wayne in Utah (9:25 pm): “Our season is going to be on the bubble as it stands (not withstanding a great spring).”
Damm, now where is KC when you need him?
18 Wheels of Love
March 23rd, 2009
9:52 pm
Schafer Light. Sorry, just wanted to say that. That could be a beer reference or a Josh Anderson reference, your pick. Badaching!
SoWeGa Fanatic
March 23rd, 2009
9:55 pm
It’s the time of year when the talking heads make their predictions, but I have seen few. What are the know-it-alls saying about the Braves in the NL East?
BravesFan InRockies
March 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
nolie
Again, we’re talking about recognized potential. Schafer would be a top five prospect on most clubs. Anderson a top 15-20, at best. Josh has minimal extra-base power and has never shown anything more than marginal on-base abilities — which is a major component of any leadoff man’s game, especially if he lacks power.
Schafer has both the ability to hit for extra bases and a better eye at the plate. That’s why so many of us can’t see any reason to leave him at Gwinnett. Especially when he’s outplayed Josh this spring. If the Braves want to contend for a division title.
SoWeGa Fanatic
March 23rd, 2009
9:59 pm
BF in Rockies,
“If Blanco had any power to speak of, or could steal 30+ bases at a high percentage,”
I agree, but he doesn’t and he can’t.
Epinephrine
March 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm
Actually, that is Schafer’s one problem-his eye at the plate. He is naturally suited to the lead off role, but as long as his K rate is so high, he’ll have to hit somewhere else.
Random
March 23rd, 2009
10:04 pm
Wayne in Utah (9:25 pm): “Our season is going to be on the bubble as it stands (not withstanding a great spring). Why not give the kid a shot to show if he is ready? I think we are too darned worried about “protecting” Josh Anderson than finding out if Jordan Schafer is ready. I really don’t think Josh Anderson is going to lead us to the post season. (Heck, Schafer might not either)”
You know, upon re-reading, I think this paragraph would make every bit as much sense if you switched the names:
Our season is going to be on the bubble as it stands (not withstanding a great spring). Why not give the kid a shot to show if he is ready? I think we are too darned worried about “protecting” Jordan Schafer than finding out if Josh Anderson is ready.
Wayne in Utah: “But, I think if we expect to play in the post season, a lot of things will have to happen, and ONE of them will be for our CF’er to do well at the major league level. I just believe our better shot at that is with Schafer, and not with Anderson.”
But as Lew has astutely pointed out, JAnderson has already proven just as much at the Major League level as Schafer has proven at AA.
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm
Whether any of us here think Schafer is ready, or that Josh can handle the job or not, to be honest doesn’t make a hill of beans.
It’s what the Braves think that counts.
But dang it, why don’t you guys just leave the “dark side” and come on over to what I am saying…..you know that 99 and 44/100ths of the time I am right. Don’t fight it.
Shall we move on to Hanson now???
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
10:08 pm
Schafer has both the ability to hit for extra bases and a better eye at the plate. That’s why so many of us can’t see any reason to leave him at Gwinnett. Especially when he’s outplayed Josh this spring. If the Braves want to contend for a division title. BFIR
sure I understand that is the way most fans approach the decision, but it is more complicated with more involved that just that. If they feel that they can win with Josh than I think that other things come into consideration, both financial(probably not the biggest deciding factor but a consideration) and Schafer’s development ie more time at a higher level to work on his weaknesses like Ks etc.
If they decide that they can’t win with Josh and can with Schafer than I think they will start with Schafer and attempt to trade Josh or sneak him through waivers. Not worrying too awful much about losing him since they would likely have Gregor to fall back on in CF
JMO, but I really think that’s it in a nutshell, although that is the less emotionally satisfying approach.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
10:10 pm
IF YOU PEOPLE HAD TO ADD A MISSING PIECE TO MAKE THIS TEAM EVEN BETTER……WHOM WOULD YOU PICK? Mention a reasonable player that could be added via trade or free agent that we need to make this team a really tough cookie.
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
10:12 pm
Random
It’s hard to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. Do you really think Anderson is the answer? If so, then what is the question?
My point is that IF Schafer is all he is cracked up to be, let’s find out. There will be a myriad of fans on the blog lamenting not bringing him up sooner, if he comes up and does well in say, June. (remember all the ranting about Escobar a couple of years back?)
I am just not buying the “we don’t want to rush him” mentality. Now, bringing Heyward to ATL in April, might be rushing. (maybe)
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
10:12 pm
Shall we move on to Hanson now? WAYNE
almost as good as my 99 and 66/100 percent.
As to Hanson their is nothing to go on to. Barring injury or Glav’s failure to be able to start when needed, Tommy is AAA bound.
Random
March 23rd, 2009
10:13 pm
N8 (9:30 pm): “I get your question. Really, I do. If YOU have that much confidence in this team to think it can’t use the best available players on ALL FRONTS. That’s cool. I don’t. I think we need the best we’ve got at all position, regardless of salary owed, or when a clock starts.”
Understood — that’s cool with me.
But (for me) the clock starting has almost nothing to do with an anticipated higher salary down the road — just way too many variables to get hung up over that. (Sorry, Lew.)
What’s definite is years of ML service — delaying the clock will get us an extra year. That’s what I think should be a critical consideration, not the money.
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
10:15 pm
Doc
Matt Holliday or Jason Bay. BUT, I don’t think either is currently available. I guess A-Rod is out of the question, huh!
Jackie Treehorn
March 23rd, 2009
10:15 pm
RHR, DOB, I’ve got both of you beat.
I went to see Eyes Wide Shut with my parents. I was 12 and we walked out. Talk about an awkward car ride home.
DOB, I took into consideration what you said about The Shield, compared to Breaking Bad. The Shield is my second favorite series of all time, behind only The Wire. That is, until I started watching Breaking Bad. I went back and watched the pilot episode of The Shield, and having watched it again it is plain to see the writing is simply better in Breaking Bad. I don’t know if they’ll be able to produce the same level of drama and heartbreak as the episode where Shane killed Lem, but I would put absolutely nothing past the creative team of BB.
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
10:17 pm
Can you guys imagine the career A-Rod would have had, had he chosen the Braves over the Rangers way back when! Roids or not, dude is a stud hitter.
I think in the lesser light of Atlanta, he might have been even greater than he currently is. (not that I like him or anything, just saying)
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
10:20 pm
Dang nolie, if Obama would bring the two of us on board, we would have this financial/credit/housing/market crisis solved in about 2 weeks.
Random
March 23rd, 2009
10:20 pm
Wayne in Utah (9:40 pm): “Good point on the bullpen. I guess the jest of what I was trying to say was this: If the guys are not COMPLETELY ready, then I would prefer to wait until they are.”
Agreed — I think it’s a good idea.
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
10:22 pm
Anybody seen “Knowing” yet? Went this afternoon with the missus and the teenangel. Not one of my top films, but still decent viewing.
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
10:24 pm
24 is currently being recorded at the “Wayne” household here in UT, to be viewed before bedtime. Can Jack Bauer get himself into a tighter fix than he is in now? Shoot on site! Damn!
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
10:25 pm
How ’bout “J.K.” Bong, pitching quite well….
Jackie Treehorn: You are correct, you’ve got us beat with that story. 12 years old, parents took you to see Kubrick’s Eyes Wide Shut What were ANY of you thinking? That’s a bizarre movie, including that ridiculous party scene.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
10:27 pm
Wayne, I saw the universally rank reviews of “Knowing” and decided, well, there’s yet another Nic Cage movie I can skip. And to think, there was a time when he was one of my favorite actors….
mbatl
March 23rd, 2009
10:28 pm
On the bullpen, we probably can carry 8 relievers for the first 2 weeks; that’ll make it a little easier to avoid having Soriano or Moylan going back to back.
Worst Movie-With-Mom Disaster: we took mom to see American Beauty a few years back. Still blushing from and apologizing for that one.
SoWeGa Fanatic
March 23rd, 2009
10:31 pm
Think of the monster years Chipper would have had with Arod batting behind him, and sharing his “meds” with him!
With Arod’s postseason performance, Atlanta would have had 14 straight division titles and 1 WS ring!
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
10:31 pm
Wayne,
Thats unrealistic.
mets fan in atlanta
March 23rd, 2009
10:34 pm
I’m sorry, a lot of you are repeating drivel about “options” and “starting the clock”. Yes, if you are the Rays, you may care about such trivial things. Until last year they had never had a winning season, EVER! Real major league teams don’t care about that stuff.
Can someone name an example where a young stud didn’t make the team out of spring training solely because of the fact arbitration might come a year earlier??? The Rays last year may have done that with Longoria because (until that season) they were a sad-sack franchise and they figured that normally any good player they have will bolt after the first 5 years.
Are the Braves that sad-sack that they don’t think they can sign a young kid (like a Schaefer) to a budget-friendly long-term contract if he is the real deal? Look at the McCann deal that the Braves did, they offered one to Franceour (his stupid fault he didn’t take it–btw this will probably mean Braves will point to that example in the future to a young kid), Mets locked up Wright and Reyes to very affordable long term contracts–look around baseball, everyone is doing it.
It affords a young player to have guaranteed money that is significantly more they would make in any year of arbitration, and the team has “control” of them for a longer period of time. The player can still finish that contract at a good age (usually around 28 or 29) so they are able to play the free agent market if they so choose.
What you are saying by using the “starting the clock” excuse is that the Braves have dropped to the level of the old Montreal Expos, where no young player would dream of playing there longer than they had to, before they skipped town as a 5-year free agent. See, good teams sign their good young players so they actually keep them longer, not shorter.
TDub
March 23rd, 2009
10:35 pm
I can beat taking your wife to “I Love You Man” – when I was 16 I took a date to see “Full Metal Jacket.” Hey, I was young…
96,sc
March 23rd, 2009
10:35 pm
Go Braves. From an OFFICIAL FAN of DOB and THE DUDE pages on facebook!!!
Original Jon
March 23rd, 2009
10:36 pm
We can can get into woulda and coulda scenarios but the ultimate one that I would have liked to have seen would have been us taking Josh Hamilton in the rule 5 a few years ago. Would have been nice in LF the last 2 years…for next to nothing too. 18 Wheels of Love
Would not and could not have happened, unless all the teams in front of us in the draft passed on him, which they did not, he went 3rd in that years draft. So he would have had to have been passed up by more than 10 or so teams before we even got a chance. I believe.
MiamiBrave
March 23rd, 2009
10:38 pm
Stadium was approved!
I still get to watch my Braves in Miami!
SoWeGa Fanatic
March 23rd, 2009
10:41 pm
DOB, speaking of Nic Cage, what did you think of National Treasure and The Rock, 2 of my faves? Course, anything Sean Connery is in is my fave.
The General
March 23rd, 2009
10:43 pm
Does anyone know what a person can do to get TBS to start broadcasting the Braves games again by the time the regular season begins. For those of us who do not live in the Atlanta area such as I and who are True Braves Fans. TBS has fallen off of its obligatons to have the Braves on the air. They could do by dropping such programs such High School Reunion and the New series Cougar or at least move cougar to a time slot to which it would not be intferring with Braves Games. I live in Texas and have been fo the past Three years due to employment conditions from Tenessee, which out here in Texas is better than Tennessee. I deserve to have TBS to broadcast all Braves starting with the regular season in 2009 so we Braves Fans can have our Braves back on the air again no matter where we live at in the nation. TBS has gone downhill fast in its programming ever since it dropped the Braves Games. They need to drop all reality programs and create a seperate network for those type of programs. And we cannot ever pick-up Peachtree or Sportsouth out of the Atalnta Area because of stupid Blackout rules which allows me to never see a braves game out here in Texas. Sportssouth always blackout the games for me beacuse out here in Texas they have a stupid blackout rule because I do not live back east anymore. But believe you me I am still Braves fan and I do want my Braves back on TBS where I can see the Braves Games again on TV. Again can someone answer me back to what I can do help out TBS to start broadcasting the games again by Regular Season this year.
Original Jon
March 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm
The General, it aint happenin bud, so get over it.
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
10:46 pm
Doc
Your right, but you did ask…..
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
10:47 pm
Actually Doc, my answer would tell you I don’t think there is that ONE player we could get at this point in the spring.
BravesFanChris24
March 23rd, 2009
10:50 pm
General
That’s why I get MLB Extra Innings. I know it’s kinda much, but you can split the payments up monthly. Luckily I can watch Braves on regular cable when they play Cubs/Marlins and FOX games.
SoWeGa Fanatic
March 23rd, 2009
10:53 pm
mets fan in atlanta, do all those great Met contracts have choke clauses written into them or does that just happen?
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
10:55 pm
I hate joe morgan.
Nate
March 23rd, 2009
10:57 pm
Comparing Anderson and Schafer, I think its pretty clear that Schafer is a better all around player. He certainly has a higher ceiling. But there really isn’t a downside to keeping Schafer in the minors for six weeks. Schafer could certianly use the seasoning and the additional humility that comes with starting in the minors. Plus not starting his arbitration clock is huge. The Braves would essentially be sacrificing six weeks, where if might be better off in the minors anyway, for a whole extra year on the back end. And really how much of a difference could he make over Anderson over a six week period? A few extra hits and maybe a homer or two over six weeks really doesn’t make that much of a difference statistically. Plus Anderson is still really an unknown qunatity. He hasn’t really been given the chance to start regularly in games that matter. In the limited duty he’s seen so far he’s hit better than anybody expected. That may continue all season. Even with Blanco sent down there isn’t room for both Anderson and Schafer on the opening day roster, and as its been said many times Anderson is out of options and would certianly get snatched up by somebody. Schafer and Anderson might both he needed later in the season if Frenchy flops, or GA can’t stay healthy. Keeping Schafer in the minors for a while is a good baseball move and a good business move.
The Rays kept Longoria in the minors for six weeks last year and that looks like a genuius stroke now. The Orioles will do the same with Matt Wienters this year. Its going to become the norm for high profile prospects. I don’t want to see Schafer or Hanson in Atlanta until the middle of May.
Steve McP
March 23rd, 2009
11:01 pm
General – MLBTV on the computer is also a good option. Quality is better this year and you can always watch the game through your TV from the computer
SoWeGa Fanatic
March 23rd, 2009
11:02 pm
General, I feel your pain. I cannot believe TBS generates more revenue now than it did with the Braves on. I have to hunt & search on Dish to get the Braves games I do, and I WANT THEM ALL!
BG FSU
March 23rd, 2009
11:03 pm
CharlieAlphaBravo, that’s funny about Unfaithful. Your mom is really cool though (I know that sounds weird/creepy, but she was my 6th grade teacher at Duluth Middle and she was awesome).
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
11:06 pm
Nate
Longoria started playing with the big club on April 12th last year. Look it up.
TnBrian
March 23rd, 2009
11:07 pm
GA fanatic, I can tell you that you won’t read one of those ‘09 prediction mags, Lindy’s is one, that has us better than a 3rd place finish this year. You can’t get mad at it because a few had us 1st this time a year ago. Maybe they felt burned by our ‘08 finish. But, some write that we’re a few years away from being serious threats in the NL east again, so maybe they really think we just don’t have it in ‘09. I disagree…
brian
March 23rd, 2009
11:08 pm
is Hanson on schedule to start the home opener for Gwinnett?
rico carty
March 23rd, 2009
11:09 pm
One thing Rick Barnes and Dean Smith have in common…they never quit on their team. Or begged off a losing season, leaving the scraps to their assistant coach, and then having those losses removed from their coaching record. I am reminded of the story of Adolph Rupp, who was suffering from the gout and was in the hospital. But he got up and coached, because he said “There is no way I will send my boys to war and not be there with them”.
SoWeGa Fanatic
March 23rd, 2009
11:09 pm
Nate, you are so right.
TnBrian
March 23rd, 2009
11:15 pm
metfaninAtl, nice to see a Mutt fan can give some of their philosophy to the Braves franchise and their fans. Uhhh, I think Shuerholz,Wren and Cox know where their team stands and we’re comfortable having them lead the way. Two of those guys lead this team to 14 straight division titles…no worries here!
SoWeGa Fanatic
March 23rd, 2009
11:17 pm
TnBrian, I disagree as well. I know hope springs eternal in ST, but I really like this team, with JA or Schaefer either one in CF. The depth is remarkable. Of course, I liked it last year. But, we would have been right there at the end in 2008 if not for the injuries. Hey, that’s bball. (Easy to say that now.)
Frank from KS
March 23rd, 2009
11:20 pm
The General re: of your 10:43 pm post
Yeah, I whole-heartly agree. Having the Braves BACK on TBS would be MUCH better programming than say…Sex & The City or Everybody Loves Raymond, etc.
Hell, they don’t even show any westerns anymore. They used to show dozens of John Wayne flicks which I liked a lot.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
11:20 pm
Nate, they probably wouldn’t get another year out of him, they’d just put him off the course of super 2 status, meaning he’d only get 3 arbitration years instead of 4.
Jackie Treehorn
March 23rd, 2009
11:21 pm
DOB: Needless to say, my folks aren’t movie buffs, and if I remember correctly neither of them knew too much about Kubrick and OBVIOUSLY had never seen any of his films. I really think my mom saw Nicole Kidman was going to be in it and thought it was a romantic comedy. My dad and went along because we heard Kidman showed her cans. And I guess the whole gangbang scene was just lagniappe.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
11:25 pm
What an unbelievable play by the Japanese LF. Just a tremendous play, every part of it. Can you imagine if they had Dunn in LF on that one?
BravesFan InRockies
March 23rd, 2009
11:34 pm
rico carty shoots and scores!