1:00 pm March 22, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 20098:02 pm
Will Ohman was very good, very effective in 2005. He was effective, though not spectacular in 2006 and 2007.
So PTBNL, he wasn’t terrible. What was terrible were the lefties the Braves ran out there before they acquired Mahay and then Ohman.
scoots, sorry but the reports on ESPN(I Believe it was, maybe it was Sportsline), say that he is now looking for $1.5 million/year +incentives.
Somehow with a few innings of ST, Ohman has suddenly gone from a guy we need/like to have, to someone who was a fluke, or sketchy. Sorry, but that is just plain b.s.
He’s dropped his price and the Braves should take a look and snatch him up before someone else in the division does.
March 22nd, 20098:10 pm
Brian Roberts leads off with a HR for team USA
March 22nd, 20098:15 pm
Hey hey! McCann’s moved up to the seventh spot!
March 22nd, 20098:20 pm
I left out a word, kirk. I said his splits were terrible…. I meant his home splits…. As the rest of the post points out.
Like I said, no different feelings about Logan this year, than about Ohman last year…. for many on the ole blog.
March 22nd, 20098:22 pm
Random, I inferred it based on your thinking re: Glavine. At the time of Smoltz’s departure, it made perfect sense to sign both JS and Glav, especially when you can get Glav for only a million.
March 22nd, 20098:23 pm
Hmmmm I wonder why the Braves are the only ones who are stupid enough to not want to pay Ohman the money he wants? I must be missing something, because the best I can tell no one else… (professional GMs) want to do it either. Just might be something to it.
March 22nd, 20098:26 pm
Eric from MO (4:32 pm): “last I heard Smoltz aint pitching til at least June.”
As I said — that is the CHOICE of his new team, the Red Sox. He’ll be ready way before then. (He’s probably ready now, but certainly by 17 Apr.)
“His rehab is going to take longer considering his arm is held on by 5 screws and who knows when it will fall off.”
Was Glavine throwing off the mound in Dec? (Was he throwing at all? –no.)
Smoltz threw off the mound three times in Dec — once for Cox, once for the Braves trainers and once for reps from the Red Sox front office, manager and trainers. The Sox signed him on the basis of that session.
In mid-Dec, Smoltz was throwing off the mound, — fastballs, change-ups, curves and sliders.
Two months after that, Glavine was still flat-land long tossin’.
Smoltz is at least a month or two ahead of Glavine in his rehab. Screw the screws.
March 22nd, 20098:31 pm
A walk…I saw that walk, BTW.
I said that if we watched he wouldn’t get a hit…and well, he didn’t.
March 22nd, 20098:33 pm
Was that the 1st quarter score in a footy match that our Irish loogy put up today ?
March 22nd, 20098:36 pm
Francoeur? .290? 30 HRs? NAME YOUR PRICE!!
And I’m a believer in Jeff. But NO WAY he puts up those numbers in ‘09.
The effort of our hitters against Johan today may be reflective of what we lack, hitting against quality pitching, we carve up clowns but fail versus stars… hope we give Schafer some goes against the best pitchers…….
March 22nd, 20098:40 pm
So Smoltz is a month or two ahead of Glavine, yet he hasn’t pitched an inning this spring. Glavine is expected to make his first start when his rotation spot comes up. Smoltz isn’t expected to get into any games until mid-May. So how is he ahead of Glavine?
March 22nd, 20098:41 pm
PTBNL, I get it. Some think that Logan is Ohman, or there is just as good a chance that he will be. I don’t understand why that is, but that’s what people think now.
At some point Ohman will be signed by some team. I want that team to be the Braves. I don’t want to have to hold my breath when these other guys are put into tight situations. With Ohman, I had very little doubt that he would be effective.
But, ok, I guess I’m up for an adventure. I give it about a month into the season before Ohman suddenly turns back into the guy “we should’ve signed”.
March 22nd, 20098:42 pm
Glavine can pitch, give the man a break dudes, he is a proven winner and I seem to recall a certain okay kind of scoreline from his 3 innings yesterday……….
Robert(Chipper Is The Best)
March 22nd, 20098:47 pm
I think Frenchy can put up those types of numbers. The key is that he has to stick with what works. He did a great job in ‘07 but because his homers were down he thought he needed to change and went back to his old ways. I think if he can understand that hitting tons of homers isn’t as important as driving in runs and getting on base than he will have a great year. I really believe he is the key to the success of this season. If the Braves can get a Frenchy somewhere between the ‘05 and ‘06 Frenchy and the ‘07 Frenchy then he will have a breakout season and the Braves could be on their way to a division title.
March 22nd, 20098:53 pm
Eric from MO (4:53 pm): “Huh? Couldnt he just as easily been planning on signing these guys and if Smoltz wanted to play for us then fine. I dont think it was really a big deal to Wren if he resigned with us. I mean how hard will be to replace 28 innings”
Try again, son — I’m not sure I can comprehend anything from the foregoing incoherence.
Are you saying that if Wren had signed Vazquez and Smoltz, he’d've gone ahead and signed both Kawakami and Lowe?
It’s debatable, but I for one would doubt it.
March 22nd, 20098:54 pm
I think if Jeff hits .290, his HR total will be closer to 20, 25 tops. Not saying that’s bad at all. I would welcome those numbers in a heartbeat.
I’m just saying if someone really wanted to throw down money that he will hit .290 w/ 30 HRs, I’d take that bet and not think twice.
March 22nd, 20099:00 pm
eric from MO hey, sorry about the typo eariler. it should have said chipper hit 29HR in 2007, and 22HR in 2008 with like 100 fewer at bats. chipper still has the power, he just needs to get the at bats.
just remember that i wasnt saying those guys are all definetly going to hit 30HR. it would be premature to predict this team will hit for power, just like is it to predict this team will lack power. we dont know yet. it is possible that it could go either way.
March 22nd, 20099:04 pm
i would never bet that frenchy would hit 30HR this year, but hes got the power, if he has a great year, he could.
Eric from MO
March 22nd, 20099:05 pm
C’s Random has attendenacy talking out of his ass. Even if he is completely wrong.
Random I meant Wren was going to sign those guys regardless. If Smoltz wanted to play for us he could for a little money but he was in no way in Wren’s plan.
March 22nd, 20099:07 pm
DAP (5:01 pm): “rush is a very talented broadcaster. listen and learn.”
I have learned that he is a liar, regardless how entertaining many find him.
He is not informative — he is misinformative.
He makes us all dumber, to the extent we believe him.
March 22nd, 20099:08 pm
McCann needs his stinky butt in camp. Stupid WBC is so un-American!
Frank, I never said Kawakami wasn’t a good pitcher, I just thought with Hanson waiting around the corner and a guy like Campillo, Bennett, or Reyes could fill that spot until they feel Hanson will be ready. I’d have loved to have a Nady or Abreu, but G.A. will be ok.
March 22nd, 20099:12 pm
gotta love how it is apparently DeRo’s fault that David Wright winged that ball down the right field line…
March 22nd, 20099:13 pm
Why even ask Phillips or Morgan a question when they know everything anyways? Man, what don’t these two moro…I meant einstein’s know?
March 22nd, 20099:16 pm
cabravesfan, cause Wright can’t do any wrong, man. You didn’t know that?
March 22nd, 20099:20 pm
yeah I know…he and Captian Derek Jeter are the reason team USA is in the semi’s right? and we all know the Captian is the best option to play SS because of his outstanding defensive skills…
Great- Mac takes a foul ball off his foot…
March 22nd, 20099:22 pm
DAP (5:04 pm): “also, if wren was counting on smoltz as much as you think he was, why didnt he just pony up another couple of mil, rather than signing two pitchers who both cost WAY more than the most smoltz counld possibly make? not that wren wasnt hoping to bring smoltz back, but i dont think he was over emphasising that.”
Like I’ve said, Wren thought he had Smoltz in his back pocket.
The Red Sox totally wrong-footed Wren by making an offer to Smoltz before Wren was mentally ready himself to make an offer.
Wren was caught flat-footed, and ponied up the way many millions for Lowe and Kawakami only AFTER the Red Sox had spirited Smoltz away (with or without Smoltz’ complicity — that’s a whole different debate).
Got agree with nolie and PTBNL there is just about as good chance ERIC Mo
thanx. whichever way it would go I never saw it as a priority like he said. If he had signed I would have been mildly pleased, but there were many things way more important to this team than resigning Ohman. If they signed him now at a price they were happy with it would be ok by me too. But there are damn few middle relievers/loogys who are really good every year. I said the day they got Vazquez and the lefty that there was little chance they would up their bid for Ohman and it turned out that they took it off the table right away. Guy should have signed with the Braves last summer when they offered him a fair deal. I just don’t see any reason to write post after post complaining about something that likely ain’t gonna happen after you have stated your opinion a time or two. . If it does occur just enjoy it. Like Bill James said, only amateurs make unconditional statements about what should or did happen. Way too many variables in baseball to ever know for sure
March 22nd, 20099:25 pm
Seriously, Adam Dunn is an awful outfielder, and in RF he’s a debacle. They moved him from 1B after his two heinous throws the other night. But I don’t know where he’s more a liability.
March 22nd, 20099:26 pm
ALRIGHT…come on home Mac!
March 22nd, 20099:27 pm
Somehow with a few innings of ST, Ohman has suddenly gone from a guy we need/like to have, to someone who was a fluke, or sketchy. Sorry, but that is just plain b.s. Kirk
I bow to your expertise and experience. You are obviously correct. The entire season will collapse over a loogy .
March 22nd, 20099:28 pm
DOB I am assuming you saw him “play” 1st base? as ugly as he plays the outfield I would not wish him on my least favorite team at 1st…
By the way I was totally looking forward to my USC Trojans playing your Jayhawks next week…although it could have gotten ugly…oh well
March 22nd, 20099:29 pm
Yeah, I can’t believe Dunn didn’t sign with an AL team. If I remember, he wanted to stay in the NL and likes playing defense…it just doesn’t like him.
March 22nd, 20099:31 pm
DOB I was just thinking that about Dunn. It was like he was moving in slow motion out there. That play with Roberts hurt though because that could have been one or two outs. Doesn’t help that Oswalt was missing with his pitches either right down the heart of the plate.
March 22nd, 20099:33 pm
Eric from MO- “attendenacy”
… a tendency
March 22nd, 20099:35 pm
I wonder what it would take to pry Grabow away from Pit.
March 22nd, 20099:38 pm
All caught up with Breaking Bad and Eastbound & Down after couple days at home. Gotta say, Eastbound & Down has grown on me. Funny show.
Breaking Bad’s been terrific.
TexasBrave: Not to belabor the point, but you still of the opinion that the Big 12 teams were “mediocre?” Because three are in the Sweet 16, and if you watched Texas-Duke and OK State-Pitt you know how easily two more of them could have been in — the ‘Horns and ‘Pokes both took them boys to the wire.
Frank from KS
March 22nd, 20099:52 pm
TnBrian re: your 9:08 pm post
I know you never said KK wasn’t a good pitcher but I think he’ll be better than some think and will end up being the Dice K of the NL. I also agree that GA was a good signing too. A better one than some on the blog think.
And as for Reyes….I hope they get rid of him. Him and Boyer.
Whoever it is on the blog with the *Give It Up Boys* club….Reyes, and Boyer have got to be the top 2 members of the club.
March 22nd, 20099:55 pm
DAP (5:20 pm): “re: earned runs…either way, jurjens didnt give up the hit that let the run in…the guy was on at first when he left (i think with two outs…?) jurjens shouldnt have been charged with that run.
“let me just add that i know this ius just spring training and it doesnt matter, but it happens all the time in real game situations.”
Yes. I too was addressing the general sitch, not this specific ST game with a SP on a pitch count. (Hear that, Eric from MO? Good.)
Generally speaking, in re inherited baserunners:
Who allowed the baserunner(s)? The SP.
Who was judged by the Major League manager to be LESS likely than the RP to get the next batter(s) out? The SP.
So if the RP fails to get the next batter(s) out, and the inherited baserunner(s) score(s), surely the SP if left in would have allowed them to score also. (Unless the manager is a donkey onager.)
No, it ain’t 100%. But the odds are that if a RP allows inherited baserunners to score, the SP would have been just as or even more likely to let them score. Else why would the manager have relieved the SP?
March 22nd, 20099:56 pm
cabravesfan Great- Mac takes a foul ball off his foot…
March 22nd, 20099:58 pm
“I just don’t see any reason to write post after post complaining about something that likely ain’t gonna happen after you have stated your opinion a time or two…”
HaHaHa! Yeah, if only we all followed that rule!
I hear what you are saying nolie. I don’t think anything you said wasn’t rational. But I’m not as confident as you guys that Logan=Ohman.
I’m willing to give it some time. I’m betting those who are calling Ohman a “fluke” tonight will be singing a different tune come May and June.
March 22nd, 200910:00 pm
I agree wholeheartedly about Dunn. After seeing two sac flies where he either didn’t bother throwing or his throw was about five minutes late I couldn’t help but think “what if that had been last WBC and Frenchy had been out there”? Thus far, his offense has in no way been able to offset his defense and I HATE watching poor defense.
March 22nd, 200910:06 pm
Reyes can’t be a “give it up boy” unless he comes out the bullpen!
Whats the score of the WBC game stuck here at work
March 22nd, 200910:10 pm
Hey I am just calling it like I see it. Notice only Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri were worthy of being in the top 25 by voters most of the season. Nobody is happier than I that the Big 12 has had a good showing thus far even in some close game losses. So either the rest of the tournament field is not as strong or the Big 12 teams were underrated this year. Perhaps this is also the reason why a strong team like my Sooners didn’t blow most of the conference teams away as I was expecting them to.
My bracket has both Kansas and Oklahoma going to the Final 4. I also think Missouri has a good chance of beating Memphis and getting to the Elite 8.
Hey did you call and console Bowman?
It’s 6-2 Japan in the bottom of the 6th
March 22nd, 200910:11 pm
Still no Anders?
“I dreamed I was as light as the ether… a floating spirit visiting things to come…” -H. I. McDunnough
USA 2 Japan 6 in the bottom of the 6th inning.
March 22nd, 200910:14 pm
TnBrian (6:26 pm): “McCann will probably hit 28-30 HR’s if he gets the protection from Chipper”
Yeah, right — with Chipper hitting in front of him. Some protection.
Thanks much for sharing your knowledge and insight.
March 22nd, 200910:17 pm
Ah yes, cuts coming. Where’s OHMAN when you need him?
March 22nd, 200910:18 pm
See, Random, the pitcher will spoil all his good pitches on Chipper, and then McCann will get the fat ones. That’s F-A-T fat. Thus, protection…
March 22nd, 200910:38 pm
March 22nd, 200910:39 pm
Richbrave I am pulling with you. Cuts are coming and I hope and we must cut Ohman back to our team without delay Boone Logan I hope will be back after today on a trip to AAA Gwinnett to make room for a resigning of Ohman
March 22nd, 200910:40 pm
richbrave I meant to say Boone Logan I hope will be on a trip to AAA Gwineett after todays play to make roonm fro a resigning of Will Ohman.
March 22nd, 200910:45 pm
Still 6-2 Japan top of the 8th…Mac’s having a hell of an at bat
Good AB for McCann here
Fouling off tons of pitches
Same score, top of the 8th, runner on 2nd with 1 out and McCann batting with a full count.
March 22nd, 200910:46 pm
And then draws a walk. Great AB
Mac draws his 3rd walk after a 10 pitch at bat…
What a great AB for McCann!
March 22nd, 200910:47 pm
OK, cabravesfan, I give up. I’ll just assume you will post the same thing as me but a few seconds earlier.
6 to 4 with a runner on 3rd now.
2 RBI triple for D-Ro! 6-4 Japan
March 22nd, 200910:48 pm
DeRo rips a double that ends up getting away from the japanese fielder…both runs score- 6-4
looks like I am a bit behind spotts…
March 22nd, 200910:51 pm
Hey thanks people stuck here at work would appreciate if you could keep it going
Puerto Rico had whistles, Japan has thundersticks….what is it with other countries/territories and annoying accessories??
March 22nd, 200910:52 pm
Longoria Ks….Chipper could’ve done that
March 22nd, 200910:54 pm
Inning over, runner stranded at 3rd. 6 – 4 going to the bottom of the 8th.
And the USA is down to their last 3 outs after Evan Longoria grounds back to the pitcher…going to the 9th 6-4 Japan
Roberts groundouts to the pitcher to end the inning. 6-4 going into the bottom of the 8th.
I never realized Brian Roberts was so….orange
March 22nd, 200910:55 pm
Gameday has Chipper and Youk listed on the bench for the US. The US is weak if the best they can do is Dunn in RF. Whew!
random question… is there anything wrong with the fact that my dog is currently sprawled on my sofa snoring and I am sitting on the floor?
March 22nd, 200910:58 pm
It all washes out the same, however, my broadcast had Longoria striking out to end the top of the 8th. How do we have 3 different endings?
March 22nd, 200910:59 pm
I can’t recall a similar circumstance like ANDRUW JONES’. Does anyone?
March 22nd, 200911:00 pm
cabravesfan, it just tells me you really love your dog. I don’t see any fault in that.
March 22nd, 200911:01 pm
This Japanesse players always make perfect bunts.
C’s (8:40 pm): “So Smoltz is a month or two ahead of Glavine, yet he hasn’t pitched an inning this spring. Glavine is expected to make his first start when his rotation spot comes up. Smoltz isn’t expected to get into any games until mid-May. So how is he ahead of Glavine?”
‘Cause he was throwing hard from a mound in Dec, two months ahead of Glavine. His rehab was way ahead of Glavine’s.
He’s not scheduled to join the Sox’ ML roster ’til sometime this summer only because that’s the Red Sox decision as to how to deploy him — it’s not because he could not be ready prior to then.
Eric from MO (9:05 pm): “C’s Random has attendenacy talking out of his ass. Even if he is completely wrong.”
March 22nd, 200911:02 pm
Forget Ohman, go get the number of that pitcher #14 of Japan, that dude can deal. J/K
kirkinga, I could not agree more with your post about Ohman.
The braves need to spend that money. There are numerous ways that Ohman helps the solidify the pen. If the braves had Ohman to go with a healthy Soriano and Moylan, they would have had the best pen in the NL. Now they have a hole out there until otherwise proven.
Alas, like men’s basketball in the sec, I am beating a dead horse. Hopefully the lefty situation gets figured out. Hopefully Auburn beats Baylor on Tuesday night, that way I get to see them in NYC when I am up there on business next week.
Longoria struck out, but that was out 2. Orange-toned Roberts grounded out for the 3rd out.
March 22nd, 200911:03 pm
Damn Jeter…High throw.
March 22nd, 200911:04 pm
Bad throw by Jeter, runner scores from third. 7-6 Japan
But in Jeter’s defense, he hardly had any time to make a throw
Haha cabravesfan, a familiar position for me. Used to have a great dane that would take up the entire couch. Of course, since the floor continually gets harder, there does come a time to wake the dog.
Now 7 to 4 with 2 outs in the bottom of the 8th and a runner on 1st.
is there anything wrong with the fact that my dog is currently sprawled on my sofa snoring and I am sitting on the floor? CABRAVESFAN
not a thing. just shows that you both have your priorities in the right order. think how bad it would be if he were a cat.
7-4 Japan….my b
March 22nd, 200911:07 pm
Actually I was kidding about forgeting Ohman. I really want to know who #14 of Japan pitches for.
cabravesfan: No, nothing wrong with it, dogs are like family, i guess. My parents cat eats AT the table. They fix it a place and everything. It even bows its head for saying grace.
RichBrave: The closest thing I have ever seen to Andruw’s decline is the decline of Steve Avery. I have never seen anything like them.
If she was a cat I would just pick her up and put her on the floor…but seeing as how she is a german shepard/ pit bull mix I think I will let her stay:)
Looks like B-Mac is coming back to Dark Star….hate to see ‘em lose, but hey, with the off-day, B-Mac might just be in the line-up Tuesday Night.
March 22nd, 200911:08 pm
Davey Johnson is an embarrassment to United States baseball. He is a weak, feeble, old punk.
March 22nd, 200911:09 pm
Nice to know I’m not alone with the dog thing:)
hear what you are saying nolie. I don’t think anything you said wasn’t rational. But I’m not as confident as you guys that Logan=Ohman Kirk
I’m not sure he is. Ohman may very well be better. I just didn’t see him as a priority, not that I absolutely didn’t want him.Maybe they will revisit him, who really knows? I just get the feeling that they have spent all they are gonna spend this spring.
March 22nd, 200911:10 pm
Ichiro hits a single to Dunn who doesn’t even attempt to throw to home and the runner scores (stole 2nd several pitches earlier) to make it 8 – 4
Ichiro singles to Dunn….you know whenever a ball’s hit to him the runner’s gonna score. 8-4 Japan
Anyone still think Dunn is worth $5 million a year to play the outfield?
March 22nd, 200911:11 pm
Another hit to Dunn…..another run scores as he watches the ball roll by him.
Dunn makes another error and Ichiro scores from 1st on a single. 9 – 4 Japan. I think this is about over.
Dunn reminds me of Eeyore
March 22nd, 200911:12 pm
Going to the 9th. Jeter, Rollins, and Wright coming up for the USA.
Well it’s 9-4 Japan going to the bottom of the 9th…can’t say I would be disappointed to get Mac back a day early but…
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