1:00 pm March 22, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
March 22nd, 20093:10 pm
Are we suppose to believe these two lefty’s are going to get the job done? Sorry, without a lefty than can get outs.. We’ll be giving games away again.
Does anyone have a link to the Braves minor league salary list?
March 22nd, 20093:11 pm
Days like this really do make me wish the Braves would see what Ohman’s willing to accept at this point. Of course, I guess everyone has a bad day here and there. But BOY has this been pathetic. 6 runs off O’Flaherty, and Logan didn’t look much better.
March 22nd, 20093:12 pm
Another base hit….seriously Ohman’s number?
Kansas has the lead 25-21 with 3:47 left in 1st half.
Man O’flaherty is throwing batting practice.
Regarding Andruw Jones…How the “mighty” have fallen? Will do everything it takes to be on an MLB roster, even as a SCRUB 5th OT and RH DH? That’s called holding on to the bottom strand folks. Some people just don’t know when to walk away and save some dignitiy in the process.
Will Andruw be remembered for this Gold Glove Defense, and 51HR season or how his career is about to end? Walk away “drew”, you should have plenty of money to live off (even with your CRIBBS lifestyle)…plus if you learn to speak proper ENGLISH, you even might get Brian Jordan’s gig on SportsSouth:)
N Nine (eta14)
March 22nd, 20093:13 pm
Better leave before the all crazy Muts guys come here….
Ohman threw a lot of pitches last season. Doesn’t bode well for relievers the next season after they throw a lot of innings. Maybe GM’s are concerned with his arm.
If the Braves can trade a few guys (pitchers) on the 40 man for a 3B prospect (2 or 3 minimum contracts for a minor league contract), wouldn’t that open up payroll to sign Ohman to a 1.5 mil deal or so?
To all the people who think not signing Ohman is a big deal given the need for quality lefties out of the pen – most relief pitchers’ performances have a tendency to fluctuate wildly from year-to-year (except a selected few who are mostly closers).
No one knows if Ohman is capable of duplicating last year’s numbers this season, and if he hypothetically doesn’t pitch well in 2009 (and Frank Wren signed him), half of the people on this blog would be up FW’s a– for paying too much for a bullpen piece.
Relax. Its ST still with plenty of time to make moves if Boone doesn’t work out.
Relax. Boone had a bad outing. We picked him up off the scrap heap and it is still ST with time to make moves. Why over pay Ohman in this economy? It makes no sense – especially given the number of innings on his arm from last year.
I would like to take a moment and wrap a blanket of shame around Eric O’Flaherty! You’ve just become an honorary member of the much touted GIVE IT UP BOYS.
March 22nd, 20093:14 pm
I can smell some cuts as of tomorrow
mets fan in atlanta
Haha, i’ve been here all game
March 22nd, 20093:15 pm
Anders’ finger hovers over the left-click, he’s whispering “wait for it… wait for it…”
ohhhh now OMIR SANTOS a seventy-something player..homersss Oh yes this guy O Flaherty is ready for a 8th inn situation against Howard…
LOL…this Lefty situation sucks….the same with us not having a solid HR threat or a REAL solid Right handed hitter
DOB or Carroll? whats your TAKE????????????????/
last paragraph of my previous post got screwed up, but the point is clear.
March 22nd, 20093:16 pm
Im just goin to shut up about Will Ohman now…I obiously have no clue what i’m talking about.
I’m saying that maybe that’s why Wren is looking to deal the excess pitching…to free up money for Ohman while trying to get a solid 3B prospect. Could kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Maybe not, but could be interested in Ohman still.
I’m not concerned with Logan or O’Flaherty’s performances today, but they haven’t had an outstanding spring. They seem shaky.
10-1…bout time to watch some hoops I think
March 22nd, 20093:17 pm
Well, not that O’Flaherty had a real shot at making the club in the first place, but there goes his prayer too.
I am also nervous about Boone Logan. I don’t like the numbers he has put up thus far, and I’m not sold on what he has shown this spring. Maybe that is a need we look for in a trade.
March 22nd, 20093:18 pm
Can’t they have a bad day once in a while? The lone run scored could be just as much a cause for concern as the pitching if you are going to panic (or praise) according to every pitch or swing or play. It’s a bad day. They have not executed as they have in the past. Logan will be fine most likely. (I have not yet seen what they see in the Irish wonder, but I am still willing to wait and see.)
Eric had some terrible luck in this inning. Those first hits were just dinky seeing eye grounders. He could’ve just as easily had a 3 up 3 down inning. What a crazy game.
N Nine (12:28 am): “noticed nobody talking about Glavine after the game. Lets see Glavine’s 78-82MPH or Hanson.”
Anybody else think that if Smoltz had re-signed with the Braves, Glavine would’ve either retired or sought his fortunes elsewhere?
Given that Smoltz is at least a month or two farther along in his rehab than Glavine, who here thinks he would not have been ready to roll on 17 Apr? (Regardless of the Sox’ own plans to reserve him until this summer.)
Only listening, not watching… but seems to me that Bobby is leaving O’F in there long enough to prove he’s not ready. He’s getting POUNDED and normally Bobby would make a change. (well, as I write, he finally does, after 7 runs). I can’t see leaving someone on the A List out there to get pounded like we did with O’Flaherty today.
Why over pay Ohman in this economy? It makes no sense – especially given the number of innings on his arm from last year.Salamander
What you talking about? 2MM for a veteran southpaw is a great deal. He would not be counted on as much as last season with the current pitching depth.
March 22nd, 20093:19 pm
2 run double…12-1
Spring training or no, this is sickening.
March 22nd, 20093:20 pm
o’flaherty, we barely knew thee…
Salamander, you make too much sense for some of these live and die on every spring training pitch amateur GM’s…
March 22nd, 20093:22 pm
Random, you are getting you history wrong. You are forgetting the fact that we signed Lowe and Kawakami after the Smoltz departure. I doubt we would have picked up both if we hadn’t lost JS.
Inning finally over 12-1 top of 8
O’Flaherty had a 1.59 ERA coming into today and Logan had a 1.80. They had one bad outing on day when Carroll said everyone was tired. They woke up early and left early after not having many days off. Lay off for a minute. They have pitched well all spring and the Mets were due for a breakout anyway. Don’t be so irrational. IT’S ONE GAME. IT’S SPRING TRAINING.
2MM for a veteran southpaw is a great deal.
I don’t disagree but it makes you wonder why nobody else has signed Ohman yet…
You’re gonna pay ANY pitcher a minimum of $400K – so if Ohman wants $1.5 mil, it’s basically a $1.1 mil investment. Really hard to see how it wouldn’t make sense. Maybe money is really that tight though.
March 22nd, 20093:23 pm
Oh 11 RUNSSSS our Super leftys have given up today against a MEts B-Squad already….LOL I want this team to WIN!!
But heck, they are OK no need for concern !!! Bobby and FW are doing their best…
hey we were all OVER Ridgway, he has just come back up in competition for the LOOGY job LOL our LOOGYS are the worst in the league…
AND IT IS for CONCERN, specially with how or DIVISION shapes up with that many LH HR hitters
more than a veteran southpaw, ohman was a veteran comedian. i remember one day near the end of the season, they were making fun of mike hampton for being short and ohman quipped something to the effect of, “oh that’s okay, he can just stand on top of his money.” the camera cut to hampton silently shaking his head, and chipper and greg norton were cracking up. histerical.
March 22nd, 20093:24 pm
if i was making this team, and had will ohman, i might still keep another lefty. ohman doesnt have to be relegated to loogy duty. gonzalez, soriano, moylan, ohman, logan, boyer, bennett. very nice bullpen, youve just gotta spend another couple of mil.
March 22nd, 20093:25 pm
Looking back at end of last season, the theory was we get a few pitchers and STILL sign both at a reasonable cost. That turned out way wrong. Yes, there is NO way Glavine would be signed if we had Smoltz. Wren’s spending ways prove that Smoltz &Glavine were on the back burner all along…
March 22nd, 20093:26 pm
FFB, I think it was “Hampton could stand on his wallet.” Regardless, hiliarious comment by Ohman.
how about instead of a LOOGY we use a left hander who can get more than one out? i hate that term…
March 22nd, 20093:28 pm
Not sickening at all – its good for the boys to come to earth a little in spring. Just saying.
March 22nd, 20093:29 pm
northbeach, you saw that too? i think it was on sports south or one of those, during a rain delay, was it? or was it just from the Braves Live Pregame show? btw, i love that show, katie what’s-her-face is a cougar.
March 22nd, 20093:30 pm
Ohman was also the one that dubbed Hampton “Lord Farquaad” which may be one of my favorite nicknames ever
Pitt has not been playing like a #1 in their 1st 2 games. Glad i changed my final 4 to include villanova instead of Pitt. Hope they lose today.
Bracket’s looking good. Had west vriginia in the sweet 16. Their 1st round exit wouldn’t have hurt so bad if I hadn’t had made the dumb move to pick N. Dakota St. over Kansas in the 1st round. What was I thinking? Anyway, i know DOB is a Kansas fan, but if Dayton pulls the upset, i’ll be looking pretty going forward.
Thought I’d change the subject on the 1st embarrassing spring loss for los bravos.
March 22nd, 20093:32 pm
I did find out nothing’s wrong with Escobar. Just a short day for him because of all the work he’s gotten. ….Hard to say what a day like today will mean for the lefties. It’s not a good sign to say the least. I would like to see the base hit given up to Tatis by Logan again. My first impression was it was a groundball that if Escobar is in there, he probably fields and the inning is over. But the walks were what set him back anyway.
March 22nd, 20093:33 pm
Okie St. will cool off in the second half. When you realize that the Pokes are shooting 64% and only leading by Pitt by three (okay, by one), that’s not a good sign.
March 22nd, 20093:34 pm
Only one has mentioned so far, but the Braves “A” lineup today mashed exactly one run. Yep, when the real teams come in, the Braves will be awesome. And before someone says something about Chipper and McCann, remember that this will be the type of lineup you have on a random Thursday or Sunday day game, because neither of those guys will be in there.
VENEZUELA, shut up already, ‘fore I trounce you again.
March 22nd, 20093:35 pm
I think his asking price just went down recently. Good point how nobody got him on a 25-man roster. Plus he’s a funny dude I. Never forget that lineup call….
Gonzo the Clown
i don’t know, can we really say this is embarassing for the braves, or is it just the end of o’flaherty’s story? jj looked pretty good for sure, logan limited the damage after struggling, another homer for diaz. could be worse, all i’m saying.
gorkyshow about instead of a LOOGY we use a left hander who can get more than one out?
thats why ohman is so great. hes just a good pitcher, no matter what side of the plate you stand on.
Dave's Leather Jacket
March 22nd, 20093:37 pm
mets fan, you’re just bitter because your team has blown it the past couple of seasons. you had your chance, now your time is over.
Katie Temple while nice (thought a Cougar had to be >40yrs, no?), gotta dig Erin Andrews. I lived in Tampa when she got her start doing the remote interviews for the NHL Tampa Bay Lightning, and then moved to the Braves the next year. She’s not a good journalist, but who cares. She was in the visitor’s dugout for a couple of games last year and my seats look into to the photographer’s area. Nice in person, as well.
I digress . . . now baseball . . . oh yeah, we are being slaughtered 12-1 going to the top of the 9th. A return of the favor the Braves bestowed on the scumbag Mets, yesterday.
March 22nd, 20093:39 pm
I imagine his asking price has tumbled lately…seems like the braves aren’t the only ones willing ot wait it out with him
He is a funny guy and I like him a lot (both his pitching ability and his sense of humor)- would like to have him back but there is no need to overpay
March 22nd, 20093:40 pm
If these guys can’t hack it, why not just go with JoJo? Not a LOOGY, but as a regular arm.
DLJ, I think the Met’s have blown more than that, Mike Piazza . . . sorry about that.
March 22nd, 20093:42 pm
No i’m not bitter, at least we had a chance on the last day of the season, beats being out of it by August. But its cool…this year you’ll be able to get some ABs for Freeman and Heyward possibly if they tear it up in AA ball. Those no-pressure games in August and September are great for the prospects to get their feet wet.
March 22nd, 20093:45 pm
In other news, Kelly Johnson is 0-3 with 2 K’s today. Now batting an abysmal .244 this spring and showing no signs of being more “consistent” than he was his last 2 seasons.
The roller coaster continues as we contemplate trading steady swinging Martin Prado and continue to find right handed bats to squeeze into the lineup.
The Braves “A line up”? That’s hilarious. Apart from our three best hitters-Garrett Anderson, Brian McCann, and Chipper Jones-and our starting first baseman Casey Kotchman, the rest of the guys might be starters (though I think Schafer will beat out Anderson). So anyway, we are missing 5/8ths of our lineup, but you characterize it as our “A line up”? Interesting point. Care to drop any more wisdom on us?
As for the Chipper/McCann injury/benching argument-sure we will miss them a couple of games a year, but so what? We can expect both of them to play in the lion’s share of games, and especially those against Santana and the Mets.
Not to mention that our decidedly B lineup outperformed the Mets starters, and their Ace, by a score of 1-0. The blowout came against a guy that won’t even make the team.
March 22nd, 20093:47 pm
Todo, I’m with you in starting to get concerned about KJ, but I don’t think you can hold his performance against an absolutely filthy Johan Santana against him. I don’t hold anyone’s numbers against Johan against them.
KJ needs to start getting in a groove before we move north.
March 22nd, 20093:49 pm
calling out another player is in the bush league category but before you slam UNC remember that was the big deal when Doherty coached the heels. The duke coaching staff was talking to and calling out McCants. And yes, Rick Barnes did push Dean Smith. He gets asked about it at every interview.
Tongue in cheek or not, I would not make light of a physcial confrontation on the coach, especially with a legend. Just like Thursday night when some non-carolina grad but UNC fan shouted at Coach K from less than 1 feet away “you suck” as coach K was entering the court. He thought he was funny and laughed it off but all it showed is a lack of class
KOREA…C’mon you shut up, you guys were lucky we didnt send SANTANA over there for the SP job or even FELIX HERNANDEZ, if it wasnt for our lousy yankee Manager Luis Sojo, who gave the nod to Carlos “6.00 ERA” Silva …pleaseee you guys were just lucky last night…
March 22nd, 20093:51 pm
Then again, maybe not for those two, they don’t look like they’re quite ready for major league pitching yet, unless it’s other Braves throwing to them. Sean Green is a major leaguer, not the same caliber of guy they’ve been facing in the late innings.
March 22nd, 20093:53 pm
Todo, if you believe KJ is gonna hit .244 this year, then you should believe that Matt Diaz is gonna hit .405. I’d take both, but doubt that either is going to happen.
Mets lose to Braves. Mets fan blames the scrubs that were in the lineup.
Braves lose to Mets. Braves fan claims that the team was winning the game when it actually mattered.
The lesson: It’s spring training. Who gives a ****?
cut o’flaherty and boone and bring back ohman—forget the surplus
“you guys were just lucky last night…” -VENEZUELA
Seriously? I haven’t used that excuse since I was twelve. Oooooh, we were LUCKY. I see. Oh, that, and the manager used the wrong horses. Congrats. The two stalest excuses for losing your ass in a ballgame, all in one post.
March 22nd, 20093:54 pm
Ven- Lucky? They dominated your team…
p.s. VENEZUELA, you forgot “the sun was in my eyes…”
Safe to say, I think, that G.Anderson will NOT be the everyday left-fielder. Matt Diaz is certainly showing that he deserves plenty of playing time.
He’s only hitting .405 with 2 homers, 4 doubles, and team-leading (tied) 12 RBI in 42 at-bats. Slugging in the high .600’s right now.
I think we can look for .300+, 15-20 HR and 85-90 RBI from left field this year. Not bad at all. If you get that from Left, and trade the ‘08 model of Jeff Francoeur for the ‘07 version (or better)… that’s a BIG upgrade to that outfield offense.
Which one won’t be with the Braves in April? Boone Logan or Eric O’Flaherty? I guarantee you at least one will (otherwise the braves will have a lefty-less bullpen–not likely), so the mets will be licking their chops when one of them goes to the mound.
March 22nd, 20093:56 pm
DAP (2:58 pm): “if it were me, i would DH dunn everygame and have victrino in the outfield instead.”
Me, too. Like you said, defense is just as important as offense. DHing Dunn allows you to avoid at least one sacrifice of one for the other.
March 22nd, 20093:59 pm
Why is anyone even responding to that so-called Mets fan?!?!
“so the mets will be licking their chops when one of them goes to the mound.” -Troll Met in Georgia
Careful with that licking. Might get choked.
March 22nd, 20094:02 pm
Ya, Epinephrine. I’m not holding today’s performance against him, just his steady decline from .340 to .240. Just seems more like the same trend, that’s all. I like KJ, but like MP too. Just seems like their equals, but the potential of Johnson that hasn’t yet to shake out has given Prado the bad shake. He’s done everything the braves have asked him to do. Learned 1st, 3rd, LF, and continues to hit. Even added some pop that hasn’t yet translated in games. I like how fans are fans of KJ. I am too. But I look at performance related to expectations, and I like Prado and want him on the team, maybe even more since we have so many left handed bats and Chipper Jones. That article from AJC yesterday upset me, as a fan, especially when it’s looking to be more of the same from KJ. I know it’s only spring, but c’mon KJ. Most of his hits came early in spring against weaker competition.
March 22nd, 20094:07 pm
Jim Powell mentioned today on radio that he likes the Braves team a little more than the Mets. He feels the Braves pitching is better and, overall, a little better than the Mets. He also commented that their lineup does have a few excellent hitters, but isn’t stacked throughout the lineup.
March 22nd, 20094:08 pm
I’m sure Kelly’s Big Johnson is not too worried.
March 22nd, 20094:09 pm
Good to see that Jim Powell knows who is paying him.
March 22nd, 20094:12 pm
N Nine (3:25 pm): “Looking back at end of last season, the theory was we get a few pitchers and STILL sign both at a reasonable cost. That turned out way wrong. Yes, there is NO way Glavine would be signed if we had Smoltz. Wren’s spending ways prove that Smoltz &Glavine were on the back burner all along…”
Wren thought he had both Smoltz and Glavine in his back pocket and set out to acquire two additional quality (ie, ML proven) SPs (and a slugging OF).
He fell into Vazquez going after Logan, That was one. (And of course, before and after the trade for Vazquez, he was trying to finalize the trade for Peavy.)
Then the Peavy trade fell through.
So Wren initated negotiations with Kawakami, and as an afterthought, Lowe.
Then Smoltz signed with the Sox.
So Wren consummated the deals for both Kawakami and Lowe, ’cause admit it or not, he really was counting on having Smoltz this season.
I wouldnt pick Bennett over Campillo.
March 22nd, 20094:14 pm
Mets’ lineup looks pretty good to me. Assuming Delgado doesn’t “age” too quickly (I was hoping he was done last May, but he damn near won an MVP), and that Murphy keeps hitting (he’s been pretty good so far), their offense is very good.
March 22nd, 20094:16 pm
O’Flahery woke up today with a 1.59 era with a solid grip on a spot to 14.21 and in limbo..rough day
At least we can take in whats important, JJ looking like JJ. all is well, good day everyone
Truth is Venezuela is out. Managers are part of the team. If you cant find a good manager, you dont deserve to win. Period.
The Marlins no hit the Tigers today.
March 22nd, 20094:18 pm
Just a prediction, not a guarantee: O’Flaherty is sent to minor league camp, or traded, or just plain killed, by the end of the week. You just don’t leave a guy in to take 9 runs on 9 hits in less than an inning if you plan to keep him around.
Jeff321 (2:37 pm): “It looks to me like Boone Logan wants in the GIVE IT UP BOYS club. Ah, I’ll keep an eye on this guy to see if he’s worthy or not.”
You do that, you darlin’ li’l Make-It-Up-Boy.
In the meantime, we’ll keep our eye on you and your fabrications.
March 22nd, 20094:19 pm
thats why ohman is so great. hes just a good pitcher, no matter what side of the plate you stand on. DAP
all this discussion is about Ohman right? the guys has a .756 OPS against righties so I really fail to see how he is so special from both sides. He also is just as likely to be mediocre this year as he is to be great. He had his chance and turned down a very nice offer last summer too. Venezuela is way overreacting about him.But yeah i know the board experts are right and all 30 GMs are ignorant.
Bobby’s take on the bullpen today…
“Our bullpen had a rough day,” Cox said. “We haven’t had many rough days. We finally had one. you attribute it to a rough day, that’s all. Don’t know how else to explain it.”
And speaking to Logan and O’Flaherty in particular. “Both of them have been good. I think they’re still good. It’s just one of those days you close your eyes on it and move forward to the next outing.”
There are two weeks to go. The Braves have time to see if this was really a one-time thing or a trend, and leverage to make a deal if they need to. I’m sure how things pan out with Glavine will also determine if they could go and sign a lefty like Ohman. They’ve got to start paying Glavine his incentives, less money to spend. Just my take.
KOREA we made 5 ERRORS record for a WBC…c’mon we didnt play how we are usually playing baseball…that was not the best show last night…
anyways you won…lucky or not you guys are going to the finals…we are not…hope for another lucky buck…if Bong is pitching..LOL…he has done well so far…but is far away from being a Johan Santana or a Carlos Zambrano (BTW both didnt pitch in this WBC)
March 22nd, 20094:20 pm
Actually, I think the Mets lineup could stacked. It’ll depend on what they get from Daniel Murhpy and Ryan Church. If Church has a good year, and Murphy establishes himself as a quality big league hitter, they could have an excellent lineup. In any event, it’s certainly a quality lineup.
March 22nd, 20094:22 pm
(thought a Cougar had to be >40yrs, no?)
and has to chase younger men. Do we know that Katie does such regularly? If so, invite her uo to Ohio Steve.
March 22nd, 20094:24 pm
PTBNL 2:42 pm(): “This is why some people don’t even bother to come to the blog during the season. One bad outing and many are ready to throw someone to the curb.”
Only AFTER they’ve stabbed him in the back, put their cigs out in his eyes and kicked him in the kidneys for good measure.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
March 22nd, 20094:25 pm
Chop Chop, yeah… I figured that would be the take some would have on his comments. Personally, I don’t think he would have said it if he didn’t mean it. There are plenty of ways to be complimentary of your team without making a statement like the one he made. I’m sure all the regular Mets fans here, and a number of the Braves fans, will disagree. But I don’t doubt his sincerity.
March 22nd, 20094:30 pm
For the record, I think the Braves, Mets, and Phillies are all right there in the same category. I don’t think there’s much that separates them on paper.
I think the Phillies have decent pitching (assuming Hamels is healthy) and a great offense.
The Mets have good pitching and a very good offense.
The Braves have very good pitching and a solid offense.
Each team has varying strengths and weaknesses, but it all pretty much washes out in the end for me, on paper. It’ll just come down to which team performs better and catches the breaks, especially where healthy is concerned.
When I look at the Braves, Mets, and Phillies… I think any one of these teams could finish 1st in the east, and any one of them could finish 3rd. Even in a tough division though, I think all three teams will finish at least in the neighborhood of 90 wins.
March 22nd, 20094:31 pm
So I turn on the Dodgers/ Rangers game, mainly to see if Andruw is playing (he doesn’t appear to be) and Vin Scully’s voice comes floating out of my TV…let’s just say the way some of you feel about Skip is the way I feel about Vin- one of the last truly great voices in baseball. Pretty much made my day (and I hate the dodgers)
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