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BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:33 pm
Who said that Schilling isn’t even close to being a HOFer? I certainly haven’t said that, I said I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he gets in and would have no problem whatsoever if he did get in.
Maddux is certainly in another league than the rest, we agree on that. I would say, however, that Glavine and Smoltz are first ballot guys and Schilling is not.
CharlieAlphaBravo
March 23rd, 2009
4:35 pm
If this is still up for debate, Pedro is an absolute lock for the hall of fame.
Many of the players who have faced him in his prime (including Chipper Jones, I believe) say he was the best pitcher they ever faced. He was the most dominant pitcher in the league in the late nineties and early oughts, and many voters use this as their primary qualifier.
If his totals were a little better and his late career had not been so injury-plagued, he might have even been a first-ballot HOFer.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:36 pm
I love you all but I am losing it
MADDOX was a bloody average Footy player for some crud teams
MADDUX is the greatest player I have ever seen in MLB
Please be spelling my hero’s name properly
Love the dog
Couch Tater
March 23rd, 2009
4:36 pm
Enter your comments here
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:36 pm
BlawgDawg,
You said Pedro Martinez was going to be a HOF…..right?, well, he has 17 career Sho, 3 less than loser Schilling.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:37 pm
I don’t think there’s much debate about Pedro, definitly a HOFer. Not first ballot (who knows what coulda or woulda) however.
Couch Tater
March 23rd, 2009
4:37 pm
I decided not to.
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
4:38 pm
does anyone think its possible that next offseason the braves jump at a free agent outfielder like nady, holliday, bay or ankiel? with the first three, we would be locking up a right-handed middle of the order bat that we have lacked, and will lack for the foreseeable future (alot of lefties coming up)
i guess it all depends on how frenchy plays this year, because the available spot would be his, since we are pretty sure schafer and heyward will be manning the outfield for a little while.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:39 pm
BlawgDawg,
Ok……..at least I agree on your last post.
Lew
March 23rd, 2009
4:39 pm
I’m just not seeing Curt Schilling as a HOF inductee-at all.
Now while I realize that Wins are not considered a big deal for pitchers these days, those that vote for the Hall seem to think that they are. There are 18 pitchers in the Hall with less wins than Schilling (216). Of those 18, only five have retired since 1966 and three of those-Eckersley, Fingers and Sutter- are relievers (the other two are Koufax and Drysdale).
Of those who have win totals greater than Schilling, but close nonetheless, only Catfish Hunter retired later than that (1979) and he appeared in Six World Series (winning five rings) and of the 12 post season appearances Catfish made, his team won ten of them. Schilling, bloody sock and all, just doesn’t come close.
Run Heap Run
March 23rd, 2009
4:39 pm
Ew I just read that other guys blog. I’m never going back.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:39 pm
Holliday and Halliday in 2010 would be nice
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
4:40 pm
dogsbrekky, I feel your pain. Gregg MADDUX… is it so hard?
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm
Run Heap, what guy was that? Purely for preventive information.
Fillies Feeling Frightfully Philharmonic
March 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm
Catfish Hunter – now there was a pitcher and some great man..
don’t make them like that anymore…..
Jay212033
March 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm
The 3B prospect I would want is Neftali Soto from the Reds. Most of you might not know of this kid but he’s going to be a good one.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm
DAP,
If JF carries his ST magic into the season, Schafer keeps its going and Diaz hits above .300, why should we get an OF? not to mention that BJ and Heyward are also around. If we didnt do it in 2009, I dont see why do it next year.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm
Doc You and your shutouts.. :=) Ok, you made me look up Pedro’s stats. I’ll give you one stat, and that should end any debate. SEVEN straight seasons with an ERA under 3.00. The highest was 2.89, all the others were under 2.40. (He also had a 2.82 era in ‘05 which was apart from those seven straight).
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:42 pm
Ok, I messed up that emoticon….McFann is going to be so disappointed in me
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:43 pm
DAP,
I think we should start thinking 3B. I dont think we are on the need of anything else right now. Just keep the kids coming.
Fillies Feeling Frightfully Philharmonic
March 23rd, 2009
4:44 pm
Greg Maddux had if my memory at this octogenarian age works 3 sub 2 eras, maybe 2 and a poultice of sub 3 eras and 16/17 yes straight 15 win seasons even for the crappy CUB suck’oles
Pedro had 2 mindnumbing statistical years, 5 great years and many CRUDDY years……..
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
March 23rd, 2009
4:45 pm
DOB,
Thanks for the answer. I was wondering what happened to him because when he was drafted, he was the “next big thing” and I haven’t heard much since. I should have checked the stats, but thanks for the info.
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
4:45 pm
Prado is a very good hitter and can play 3rd well……. yes !
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:46 pm
BlawgDawg,
I agree with you that Pedro is a HOF, 1st ballot IMO. But you missed the point, which is, Schilling has more Sho than him and we all know he aint gonna catch him.
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:47 pm
Doc Now I get to agree with your last post. 3B seems to be (at the moment anyway) the only glaring weakness as far as 4 or 5 years down the road goes. Keep those kids acoming. I said in a post earlier and I firmly believe it. It’s a great time to be a Braves fan, I think the future is bright.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
4:48 pm
Folks, you might as well stop the conversations about Ohman. It ain’t happening with the Braves. They’re not pursuing him or even considering it, from what I’m told. They really like O’Flaherty’s stuff, and Logan had been fine this spring until yesterday.
Think about it — no team is going hard after Ohman, and we’re two weeks from Opening Day. Probably a reason. I get the impression that teams don’t see him as an eighth-inning type guy, a big-time setup guy, on a contender. And if he’s viewed as just another situational lefty, well…
DAP
March 23rd, 2009
4:48 pm
doc holliday im with you, but jeff is really going to have to be a very strong middle of the order hitter. if we extend chipper, were looking at having (in the near future) freeman, johnson, mccann, heyward, schafer all lefties, with only jeff and yunel as our righties, and chipper switch hitting. he need a real good strong righty bat out of jeff, or we need to get someone else.
i know weve got diaz, but when heyward comes up, he aint gonna be splitting time. if jeff doesnt impress this year, i think going after bay, nady or holliday wouldnt be a bad idea.
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
4:48 pm
error on maddog’s spelling, but thank’s for catching it,
BlawgDawg
March 23rd, 2009
4:49 pm
OK, gonna give props where props are due….No Pedro is not gonna catch Schilling in Shutouts
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
4:50 pm
Francouer sucks now under pressure, he misread the bible and actually believes that Moses parted the Red Sea (sad sack of spuds) and it messed with his “Johnny Miller” swing…………
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
4:51 pm
roman – only reason I brought up the spelling is because I have brain damage and eff up every word I write but I will never mess up the Mad-Dog
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
4:53 pm
Schilling will be in the Hall. I just hope he goes in with Smoltz. I want them to write a stirring political manifesto.
Piece
March 23rd, 2009
4:55 pm
For all you Schilling supporters/detractors. I remember reading this article a few years ago (so, yes, it is a bit dated) comparing Schilling and Smoltz’s careers. They are actually remarkably statistically similar (at least they were at the time this was written). I’m more of a Smoltz fan, obviously, but this guy makes some reasonable points. It’s good reading anyhow.
I’m not sure if just copying and pasting a link into this will work, but here goes:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keri/060728
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
4:55 pm
DAP,
I have been hard on JF last 18 months, but I saw that guy hit against Santana yesterday, and he looked different. He looked professional. Patient. Santana was sharp and he couldnt fool him. He stayed away from those low and away pitches and those high pitches that look fat as they are eye level. Really nice. Im not sure if you saw that. Hard to say that its all said and done and that he will hit .320 but man, he sure caught up my attention.
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
4:56 pm
“Folks, you might as well stop the conversations about Ohman. It ain’t happening with the Braves.” -DOB
Look out. DOB’s using his Go-Go-Griffey Blog Power in reverse. Good thinking!
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
4:56 pm
he’s the best, could probably still go a few more season’s, great baseball mind
ncscoots
March 23rd, 2009
4:56 pm
Schilling will be in the Hall. I just hope he goes in with Smoltz. I want them to write a stirring political manifesto.
Now, THAT might be mildly entertaining. Course, you might need the Mormon Tabernacle to get both their heads in the same room to write it.
THWG
March 23rd, 2009
4:57 pm
I don’t see why nobody is going after Ohman. He’s a career .333 hitter with an OPS of .833. But seriously, he ate up like 60 innings out of the bullpen last year, and he’s a southpaw. I don’t see the harm in at least talking to his agent.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
5:01 pm
DAP,
You got a point there. You could add to that list Kotchman LH and you could say that Chipper is lefty also, because we know what happens when he turns it around.
Bubdylan
March 23rd, 2009
5:06 pm
“Course, you might need the Mormon Tabernacle to get both their heads in the same room to write it.” -ncscoots
Smoltz: … and I’d like to take this opportunity to say a few words about the 2009 offseason…
Schilling: Hush, John. Can the people in the back see my sock?
dude
March 23rd, 2009
5:06 pm
Just logged in ……Did we win today? Any highlights for Bravos? Thx.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
5:06 pm
Lew, great statistical points about the pitchers with as few or fewer wins than Schilling and how many of them were from this era (not many). That’s why I don’t think it’s a given that Schilling goes in. Eventually, I think he probably does. But not a given.
Think about it — John Smoltz has six fewer regular-season wins than Schilling (and Smoltz has four more postseason wins).
Smoltz is 210-147 with a 3.26 ERA and 3,011 strikeouts in 3,395 innings.
Schilling is 216-146 with a 3.46 ERA and 3,116 strikeouts in 3,261 innings.
But then there’s this rather large difference: Smoltz has 154 saves. Schilling had 22.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
5:08 pm
BTW,
Schilling alone has the same amount of WS rings that Smoltz, Maddux and Glavine have combined.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
5:08 pm
Bubdylan, that (4:56) was funny….
Frank from KS
March 23rd, 2009
5:10 pm
Doc Holiday re: of your 4:32 pm post
Excuse me for talking. I’m sorry…you meant Josh.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
5:10 pm
dude,
In order to win braves need to play a game.
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
5:10 pm
scoots,
I’ve censored my response to your post because it could be seen as being religiously and politically offensive.
Here it goes:
“I don’t know about that. Maybe I’ve just misplaced my **** stone, but I don’t think the Mormon Tabernacle is ******** inspired. Gotta have something ******** inspired to get those two together.
How about tea with Hush and Rannity? That should work.
roman88
March 23rd, 2009
5:10 pm
schilling will probably be voted in by the veterans commitee years from now
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
March 23rd, 2009
5:12 pm
DOB,
A barbecue question for you: Have you tried ”THE OLD BRICK PIT” on Peachtree Industrial Blvd. in Chamblee?
I ate there for years and all they cooked back then were hams, (no shoulders) and man, they were good. And their Brunswick Stew was also something special also. It sure is not a fancy place but barbecue joints aren’t supposed to be fancy.
dude
March 23rd, 2009
5:16 pm
LoL! OOPS! Ok Im a little out of it.
Anybody agree with me that Davey Johnson sucked at managing the U.S.A. in WBC. Sheesh forgetabout some bodys pride ……if a dude aint pichin good…U replace said dude. My God. His decisions were just awful….like he didn’t want to hurt somebodys fellings. Im sorry I blame him for terrible “strategy”.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
5:25 pm
Doc, regarding your 5:08 comment: So what?
Yogi Berra won 10 World Series rings as a player. Barry Bonds played in one World Series, and his team lost. Ken Griffey Jr. has never even played in a World Series (he only played in on LCS).
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
5:32 pm
BEAR, I haven’t been there. Actually, I haven’t even heard of it, or if I did I forgot. But that’s not far from me, if it’s over by those antique places.
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
5:33 pm
Curt Schilling….Hall of Fame? I just don’t know, nor do I have an opinion.
Dale Murphy belongs in Cooperstown on character alone.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
5:34 pm
Dobi one Knobi – Stats schmatts
Barry Bonds could rake, ‘roids, no ‘roids, plenty ‘roids, heaps of HGH or not………….. if the dude played for winners he would win…
oh remember the old Dusty Rusty Baker worst move of all time with old Russ Ortiz move
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
5:36 pm
Sorry I have some terrible news
“Is Rimes’ Husband ‘Dancer’ Dean Gay?”
yes, yes and yes is the answer
what is it with poofter male dancers
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
5:39 pm
Remember, my denizen friend, that AA ball here is where the majority of the young major league talent plays DADGUM
thats not entirely true. they almost all play some at AAA too. Ithere may be some bigger names at the AA level but they still only constitute a small part of the league. The rest of the league is at a lower level so AAA is somewhat more consistantly higher.. There are not all that many players who jump from AA right to the bigs bypassing AAA. Believe what you want to, but it’s something of A Baseball urban legend, but I’m not gonna argue it any further.
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
5:39 pm
DOB,
Have you read the first two parts of Bob Dylan’s interview with Bill Flanagan?
Schafer Obliterator
March 23rd, 2009
5:41 pm
We are very suspect under pressure against high quality pitching
but then again we have been for 13 years
I am 1 of the solutions to this problem
I am so great
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
5:48 pm
olie, I have to respectfully disagree about the level of talent in Japan. I think “AA” is considerably underselling them. KC
ok I give up. I got one guy saying I under valued them and one guy saying I over valued them, so I figure since I’m right in the middle I got it just right, kinda like Mama Bear.
I’ll stand by my evaluation of the overall level of their play I have read evaluations from high A to AAA so I tried to even it out. Since it has been 8 years or more since I was last in Japan I am making no claim to be a current expert. I’ll let Dadgum & KC debate the subject. Good luch guys
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
March 23rd, 2009
5:50 pm
David, it’s a little joint, used to be drive in Dairy Queen about 50 years ago. The guy who started the barbecue in there about 20 years ago was an engineer who built a new kind of pit where he cooked the hams for many many hours over low temp smoke. He later died and his Chinese wife took over. So far as I know they still turn out the same kind of food and it is really top level food. Their stew is also very tasty.
My brother owns a barbecue joint in Thomasville, GA and I have told him many times that the one in Chamblee has better food. He doesn’t like that but facts are facts.
All you get with it is a soft drink or ice tea and a bag of potato chips.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
5:51 pm
dogsbrekky, that was precisely my point about Bonds, Griffey, and so many others who don’t have World Series rings — it’s just not much of an indicator of a guy’s Hall of Fame worthiness.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
March 23rd, 2009
5:54 pm
Old Brick Pit
4805 Peachtree Rd NE
Chamblee, GA 30341
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
5:56 pm
BA’s 10:52 post was spot on. Japan is big league caliber and they beat the snot out of us.
Whether anyone agrees or disagrees, the Japanese have bragging rights.
David O'Brien
March 23rd, 2009
6:04 pm
Chop Chop, thanks for the link. Just read it all. Brilliant fella, that Mr. Zimmerman.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:05 pm
Their shortstop, 3b (Murata, not the replacement guy last night) and LF could all start in the Majors, and their RF,CF,C and 2b already are starting in MLB. BA
okay as i understand it we got another undervalued. I said that there are some great players there,certainly major league talent, but they are a minority and most are not that good. If they were better than AAA they would have a whole lot more players making it to MLB and doing better since after all a fairly good percentage of US players who work their way up to AAA and play well there go on to decent MLB careers. Yes i know that logistics limit the numbers from Japan, but basically most Americans are aware of the top 100 or so players from the MLB guys many of whom have not had all that much success here and the guys who are good enough to make tournements. If they were better as a league than why do a lot of American scrubs go over there and have such good careers. I have a baseball knowledgeable friend who used to scout and who lives there now place them at about AA so that influenced my comments too.
As i said in my last post I do not claim to be all that current in the topic. I do know that 8-10 years ago they were likely A level with a small percentage of real stars. I’m not sure there is a “correct” answer I am just explaining my thinking.
And now as I already promised (and broke) I am gonna shut up about the matter. Thanks for your comments though.
golly I love emot-icons. let’s me stay in touch with my inner child.
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 23rd, 2009
6:05 pm
And in case anyone has a short memory, the Japanese won the WBC in 2006 and they are back playing in the championship game again in 2009.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
6:07 pm
BBQ – I love the stuff AND have driven all over USA with the doggie eating the stuff
You may be horrified but I love the Carolina BBQ and have had some awesome stuff in a SC – Columbia (spelling) place called FireBonze. I actually recall it was a chain joint but they had great dry/vinegar BBQ with really super sauces
Texas BBQ – I am not such a buyer….. too much sugar or something
Steve from OH
March 23rd, 2009
6:08 pm
Coach, I think the AA-AAA level assessment comes from the overall top-to-bottom strength of the league, not the quality of its top players. It is obvious from watching international competition that their top players are easily mlb-caliber. But you’re right, they’ve got the bragging rights, no doubt.
I think the main problem with that game was poor scouting of Japanese hitters. Those guys (to me) looked like they had an easy time with the breaking stuff but had a tougher time hitting fastballs up in the zone. And like someone else noted they had trouble hitting lefty pitching. Plus having Jeter at SS instead of Rollins didn’t help.
Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
6:09 pm
You could be right Random, I had a meatloaf in there at some point. Ain’t seen galfriend’s Polar Gerbil entering/exiting pet-door on fridge lately either…
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:11 pm
if it is anderson in center, then the question becomes, to me brandon jones or gregor blanco as the fifth outfielder. CHUCK DEAD J
there likely isn’t gonna be a fifth outfielder especially after the first two weeks. why do you think there will be?
Piece
March 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm
I’m not voting for any player for membership to the Hall until I have thoroughly evaluated the number of World Baseball Classic Championship rings he has.
useless trivia
March 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm
Makes you realize how long the “big three” (Maddux, Glavine, & Smoltz) have been around…..
Glavine’s catcher in his debut was…..Ozzie Virgil. Starting 2B was Glenn Hubbard & LF was Ken Griffey (not junior). His salary in his first full season (1988) was $65,000.
Smoltz’ catcher was Bruce Benedict. His first start lasted 8 innings (a win)…Bruce Sutter came in to pitch the ninth that day.
Maddux’ first inning pitched was the 18th inning of that game, a game started by the still active Jamie Moyer. Moyer’s pitching opponent? Nolan Ryan. Speaking of Ryan and Maddux, the hall of famer and future hall of famer managed to strike out the other exactly once during their overlapping years. Mike Schmidt batted .368 against Maddog. Ken Griffey Jr. batted .325 but his dad only went 1 for 7 off Greg. Dale Murphy didn’t fare too well, going 2 for 34, but his old teammate, Bob Horner had much better luck, .417, albeit in only 12 at bats.
I know, who cares. Slow day here at the office.
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm
I laugh when I read about our baseball superiority over Japan.
I lived there is the early 90s and watched Dan Gladden near the height of his powers play for the Yomiuri (tokyo) Giants and a few others… I met him a few times and he rated Japan just below MLB in terms of quality
not as much depth, but they make up for it in passion”and USA lost again last night with the greatest SS of all time (if we believe the NY POST) playing………… no-one has a chance agaisnt us unlessn they have talent, passion and well telent
dogsbrekky
March 23rd, 2009
6:14 pm
and if they can spell and type
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
6:18 pm
DOB,
1st of all…….learn to treat my person with respect, since thats the way I treat you personally …….. since you are a smart person, Im sure you are exactly what Im talking about. If not, Ill give you a hint……… Im not talking about this nor a recent blog conversation.
Now baseball,
2nd of all………Im not talking about who didnt won a WS ring. Yogi won 10……..he is in the HOF. Barry won 0, he does not deserve one nor to be in the HOF. Schilling won 3……….that is no coincidence. Griffey didnt win one……so what? that right…….so what???
3rd could you name 3 players (preferably pitchers or non utility players since we are talking pitchers here) with 3 or more WS rings that are not currently or that will be in the HOF?
Im sure you can come with some……we will debate on that once you come up with the answers.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:19 pm
if the braves dont need glavine until, a week or so into the season, the braves could carry 11 pitchers…DAP
thats a possibility but I kinda doubt it, especially with Moylan and Soriano being a bit questionable I’m just not sure he would take both and cut a pitcher. If Moylan isn’t ready enough to start the season it make make your thought more likely. That’s one of the funnest things about coming to the end of ST. speculation starts to have some meaning
RHR
March 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm
scooots – I don’t want to say which blog since it was on this site.
dogsbrekky – that whole thing with leann rhimes was just a publicity stunt, don’t you think? but i agree, her husband has always seemed to be of questionable orientation, to put it nicely.
dude – today was an off day, if someone hasn’t already answered you.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm
If Soriano is sooooooooo ready, how come he has not seen so much action in ST? My prediction is that he will have a mirror 2008 season.
Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm
Never seen much talk here bout the Grateful Dread. Anybody else hate them as badly as I do?
I envision Hell as sitting in a bare room, The Dread playing 24/7.
RHR
March 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm
woah woah woah…the newscaster just was talking about that new $2000 car made in India and she pronounced the name as Ta Ta Motors. Is that right or is she just from Alabama…?
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
6:26 pm
Doc Holiday,
I wouldn’t want anyone to cheat, but here’s a list of players with the most seasons on a World Series roster.
Luis Sojo was on four World Series winning teams. That’s as many as Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Pedro.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:28 pm
maybe we will add a power bat next year (heyward DAP
I kinda doubt it
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
6:28 pm
Enter your comments here
Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
6:30 pm
Funny RHR, but as we all know, there are no newscasters from Alabama…
ATL
March 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm
Steroid Usage Poll- http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=r6LCVamBL2RACZuIlVRNQA_3d_3d
Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm
Doc, I tried to enter my comments where you said; wouldn’t take em…
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm
DAP, his ERA+ was excellent all the years I mentioned. DOB, I never said Schilling should or shouldn’t get into the Hall. I just said his lack of Cy Youngs isn’t a blemish on his resume. The 3 Cy Young type seasons will actually help, not hurt him. I also do believe that both him and Blyleven belong in the Hall. On your Schilling/Smoltz analysis. One thing to consider is that Schilling wasn’t a starter and didn’t pitch a ton of innings for his first 4 years. Smoltz came out of the gate starting games. They both had 20 year careers thusfar, but they’re not equivalent 20 year careers. And Smoltz also belongs in the Hall.
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
6:34 pm
Chop Chop
If your read carefully, I said “non utility players” please………..and that is exactly what Luis Sojo was. Or are you trying to compare Sojo to Schilling? A guy that only played more than 100 games in only 4 seasons? Come on, you can do better than that. I mean………..name players that had impact in the WS and because of their presence their team won, and not only because they helped filling the Gatorade TM cooler.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:35 pm
And throw hard.And apparently 6+innings of ST ball is enough to convince some people that the new guys are just as effective as Ohman. KIrk
I don’t think anybody really meant that Kirk, I know I didn’t not did PT, but OK
Doc Holiday
March 23rd, 2009
6:36 pm
Shamus Thacker,
Thats because you dont have the VIP card………want one? you know what to do……..
Wayne in Utah
March 23rd, 2009
6:44 pm
Personally, it Moylan and Soriano aren’t ready to go 100% out of the gate, they should be left in extended spring training until they are completely ready.
Otherwise, we just screw up our roster with guys that can’t be relied on for a daily (if needed) contribution.
So, in my scenario, that might mean only needing 11 pitchers if you leave those guys off the 25 man.
While I like many of our bench players, I don’t really care for the inflexibility of our bench in general. With Diaz (assuming he will platoon with BJones or GAnderson) and Norton on the squad, you limit yourself. Also, with Chippers need for a caddy, you make it hard to deal Prado for good help, unless it is another third baseman.
Just too many limiting factors with some of these guys.
I like Infante and Ross, and add in Diaz. But I would love to see us deal for a stud player who can really do it from 3-4 positions. Prado is limited to first, second and third. Norton to pinch hitting and the corner OF positions. Who covers CF when a double switch is needed? Infante?? He is a defensive liability in the outfield.
Starting to get the “season opening” itch out here in UT!!!
Shamus Thacker
March 23rd, 2009
6:45 pm
I’ll just stick with the public boggin Doc, I don’t lean that way… lol
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:45 pm
nstead of the proposed loogys why can’t we just use JoJo Reyes, his stuff by all accounts is much stronger this year and he has developed a good change up, he is better than all of the proposed LH relievers DogsB
good question but it has been reported that they do not see him in bullpen, though I don’t believe that the thinking behind that sentiment was explained. Since starters are as a rule more valuable than most relievers I guess they are holding him for backup and would hope to get more in a trade if he is considered a starter?
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
6:48 pm
Doc Holiday, I just posted the Sojo thing to bait you.
Paul O’Neill has five rings. He ain’t going to the Hall. He’s got as many rings as Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, Pedro, and Randy Johnson.
Go take a look at some of those Yankee players with six or seven rings that aren’t in the Hall. The fact is that most players don’t get that many chances to win rings. The ones that do have often lucked into playing with the right team at the right time. Jeff Nelson has four rings. Is he going to the Hall? He was a bullpen guy, or is that a “utility” player? Elston Howard has four rings. Vic Raschi (who?) has six rings. Scott Brosius has three.
Alfredo Griffin and Lonnie Smith have three rings.
When the hell did “impact” enter the equation?
Chop Chop
March 23rd, 2009
6:50 pm
I’m waiting for someone to post as “Vic Raschi’s Grandson” and read me the riot act for dissing Vic.
Tomas
March 23rd, 2009
6:51 pm
DOB, the thing is Schilling has two world series rings, in which both he was a big part of.
PWHjort
March 23rd, 2009
6:52 pm
Nolie, the organization likes Reyes as a starter. And why not? When he keeps the ball down and doesn’t walk anyone he throws gems. Literally. Then he loses his control and sucks it up, but when you’ve seen a guy throw gems you like him as a starter. At this point, there’s no evidence to suggest Reyes isn’t capable of consistently locating his pitches. He’s still way young.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:53 pm
What happened to Cody Johnson? Why is he not being hyped up like Freeman and Heyward? What’s the deal on him? BUFFALO NY FAN
I’m not DOB, but Cody is nowhere near the prospect that Freeman and Heyward are. Both of those guys are better more disciplined hitters. Cody is still pretty much a one trick pony kinda hitter. Tons of power but very high SOs and not a lot of patience. His career so far has been kinda inconsistent year to year also. He may improve in enough areas to increase interest in him and I’m not saying that he has been written off, but there is a significant difference between him and the other two. A lot of guys who analyze swings did not like him(Cody) when he was drafted, and so far at least he has not proven them entirely wrong
CB
March 23rd, 2009
6:55 pm
DOB,I am one of the newer bloggers and I recently broached the subject of not giving a roster spot to GREG NORTON but instead give it to one of our younger players like BRANDON JONES.I respect NORTON’S ability but feel it is time to give the younger players an opportunity.Would you give your opinion? thanks.
nolie
March 23rd, 2009
6:56 pm
dogsbrekky infante can play CF DAP
yeah but I wouldn’t wanna see it on a regular basis.