Top o’ the morning at Dark Star

  Lake Buena Vista, Fla. – A pot of gold to all of you on St. Pat’s Day, and you’ll be pleased to know that Dale Murphy is in the house. Showed up today at Dark Star. No, not for St. Pat’s, but good timing nonetheless."MURPH"
  Then again, it’s always good timing when Murph comes to camp or a Braves game in Atlanta or on the road. He’s in uniform today, in his No. 3, and judging from reactions when he came on the field, you’d have thought someone was arriving with, well, pots of gold.
  Bobby Cox’s face lit up and they greeted each other like brothers who hadn’t seen each other in a while. Coaches and the group of players who were hitting in batting cage, including Garret Anderson and Casey Kotchman, smiled as they came over to shake his hand. Jeff Francoeur hugged him.
   Yes, Murphy is as popular as he ever was around the team. If you’ve met him, you know why. On top of being one of the great Braves to ever play in Atlanta, he’s at least a good a guy as he was a player. Total class.Sorry, there are no polls available at the moment.
   After batting practice, a few hundred fans lined up to get Murphy’s autograph by the dugout. That’s part of why they break in guys like Niekro and Murphy, to greet the fans, but also to interact with the current players, maybe offer some advice, etc. It’s a good program, one that several teams use.
    OK, where were we? St. Pat’s Day. Braves vs. Met: Both teams wearing green camps today. But Cox missed the prime opportunity to use reliever Eric O’Flaherty on St. Pat’s — the lefty is scheduled to throw tomorrow when we go to Port St. Lucie for another game with the Mets, with Tommy Hanson pitching for the Bravos.
    Dark clouds that hung over the ballpark earlier this morning are gone, rain avoided, and we’ll start on time today. Jair Jurrjens is facing the Mets lefty Jonathan Niese.
    Also, on the lucky theme, we don’t have a pressbox full of New York writers, because most of them stayed back in Port St. Lousy to see Johan Santana throw in a minor-league game. (Not that they’re bad guys or anything, but the pressbox is a bit cramped here when you add a dozen or so more hacks to the mix.)
   So fill up my coffee cup and pass me some Irish oatmeal. It’s a good day.
   My old pal Dan Graziano (covered the Marlins together more than a decade ago) is seated next to me, doing some free-lance work before he starts he new gig  as NFL writer for Fanhouse on AOL Sports, after taking a buyout from the Newark Star-Ledger. He wrote baseball there, Yankees beat guy for a while.
   Anyway, I digress…
   Speaking of Anderson: if you noticed I said he was hitting in the cage. It’s his first time hitting on the field since he strained a calf two weeks ago.
   He’s a pleasant fellow, though a man of few words. But for whatever reason, Garret talked for a while this morning in the dugout after I approached with a question about his status, which I figured would get only a brief response.
   He said his calf’s feeling better every day and that he could be cleared to start jogging Friday.
   He’s been hitting in the covered batting cage and doing his regular workouts, everything except running. He doesn’t think it’s going to be difficult at all to get back in the swing of things as soon as he’s cleared to play.
   Barring setbacks, I’d guess it could be sometime late next week. Just a guess.
   “Not playing or running for a week or two is not going to set me back that far at all,” he said. “Production in spring training has never meant anything. Just where is my swing at and am I in shape, because that’s what we’re down here for, is to get in shape.”
   For those wondering, it’s not Garret’s choice to miss this much time; he’s just doing what the trainers tell him to do. The Braves want the veteran to be ready for the season, not have to deal with a recurring type of injury, which is why they’re being so cautious in bringing him back slowly.
   Watching him hit today, you’d never know he was hurt. He’s not favoring it, and his swing’s as perfect as ever.
   By the way, Anderson is 6-foot-3 and 225-230 pounds. I asked him, because he’s so much bigger than I expected (with the largest hands I’ve seen on a baseball player since I shook Roger Clemens’ hand when Clemens was with the Blue Jays.) 

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   I was curious about Anderson’s height because he appears to be as tall as Francoeur and Chipper when he stands next to them. Both are listed as 6-4.
   Anderson said he played with Troy Glaus, who was every bit of 6-4, and that the only guys he’s seen in this camp who are that tall are Derek Lowe (listed at 6-6) and the big kid, top outfield prospect Jason Heyward, who’s at least 6-4.
   Anderson said he’s put on about 40 pounds since his minor league days, and that Heyward, already a specimen, is going to fill out more as he goes.
   Mark Kotsay, when he was a young Marlin, used to tell me that balls Kotsay hit to the warning track would get out once he got “dad strength” as he aged.
Anderson said something similar this morning.
  ”You just put that ‘man weight’ on, that last 20 or 30 pounds,” Anderson said. “He [Heyward] has got the frame to carry it, too. He’s gonna be a horse. He’s got broad shoulders, everything.”
  I asked him if he’s gotten to know Heyward the past few weeks.
  ”Yeah, I talked to him a little bit,” he said. “He’s kind of like me, kind of quiet.”
  When I mentioned that Heyward’s parents attended Dartmouth, Anderson said, “I heard. That’s probably why he didn’t play any other sports — didn’t want to let him hurt himself.
   “Big ol’ stud like that, you’d think he’d of at least played basketball. From Georgia, too — you’d think he’d have played football.”
  The Braves are probably glad he didn’t. Heyward’s knees and everything else on him is healthy.
  ”It’s gonna be good to see him in five to seven years, see where he’s at,” Anderson said. “Because he’s got a bright future.”

Today’s lineups
BRAVES
1. Yunel Escobar, SS
2. Kelly Johnson, 2B
3. Matt Diaz, LF
4. Casey Kotchman, 1B
5. Jeff Francoeur, RF
6. Omar Infante, 3B
7. David Ross, C
8. Josh Anderson, CF
9. Jair Jurrjens

METS
1. Marlon Anderson, 2B
2. Jose Valentin, 3B
3. Daniel Murphy, LF
4. Nick Evans, 1B
5. Ryan Church, RF
6. Bobby Kielty, CF
7. Robinson Cancel, C
8. Ruben Tejada
9. Jonathan Niese, LH

– OK, let’s close this in proper St. Pat’s day fashion, with a ditty from the original, mighty Pogue Mahone, and we’ll include a link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrBLqp-s__o

IF I SHOULD FALL FROM GRACE WITH GOD” by Shane MacGowan (The Pogues)
If I should fall from grace with God
Where no doctor can relieve me
If I’m buried ‘neath the sod
But the angels won’t receive me

Let me go boys, let me go boys
Let me go down in the mud where the rivers all run dry

This land was always ours
It was the proud land of our fathers
It belongs to us and them
Not to any of the others

Let them go boys, let them go boys
Let them go down in the mud where the rivers all run dry

Bury me at sea
Where no murdered ghost can haunt me
If I rock upon the waves
No corpse can lie upon me

It’s coming up three boys, keeps coming up three boys
Let them go down in the mud where the rivers all run dry

If I should fall from grace with God
Where no doctor can relieve me
If I’m buried ‘neath the sod
But the angels won’t receive me

Let me go boys, let me go boys
Let me go down in the mud where the rivers all run dry

1,051 comments Add your comment

O' Anders

March 17th, 2009
12:35 pm

Hello, anyone home?

dogsbrekky

March 17th, 2009
12:35 pm

Hanson on tv tomorrow yes, hooray, the other one (Hansen was playing poker on tv last night)…..

DOB – is it a little more serious Braves – Mets in ST versus playing other side ?

ease19

March 17th, 2009
12:39 pm

No, anyone is out with someone else.

O' Anders

March 17th, 2009
12:40 pm

Dale Murphy – The best thing TBS ever brought into my living room. Helluva player. Better person.

dogsbrekky

March 17th, 2009
12:40 pm

“Anders – Irish version”, did they say if Maine is doing okay healthwise now………. all I have seen in today’s papers here is AROD kissing himself in the mirror… I am hoping all the Mets are healthy and Fils so we can all go head and tongs all year !

Chicago Brave

March 17th, 2009
12:43 pm

DOB – Could you do some analysis and explanation concerning the lack of radio broadcasts in spring training? Needless to say perhaps, but without TBS broadcasts and no Sports South this far north, the need for radio is absolute. The MLB Internet broadcasts are great. Just drag my laptop to wherever I’m at and bingo, Braves baseball. Same with XM in my car. But there has to be a broadcast in the first place, no? Looking at today’s listing on MLB, every game has some sort of broadcast except Arizona and the Braves. Is the implication that Arizona and Atlanta have the least fan base interested? I think not. I know not. Thanks to TBS all those years and a lot of winning, I would guess the Braves still have a top 5 fan base ready to listen. Is some decision maker deliberately trying to kill the brand? Thanks, and, BTW, your blog is the best.

O' Anders

March 17th, 2009
12:46 pm

dogsbrekky – Maine has had no complaints at all about his health. Say’s he’s 100%. Building up arm strength and the like of course. Like I said yesterday – he’s a bit of a headcase. He thinks/worries too much on the mound. After every pitch he comes down the front with this upset look taking his hat off wiping his brow and so on.

Knock it off. Get on the hill and hurl the rock. He’s got good stuff when he’s free and easy.

Of course he’s no Roy Oswalt :}

Andy

March 17th, 2009
12:49 pm

Bet you most of those Hank Aaron and someone else were either Phil Niekro (won a lot of games on a lot of miserable teams), or Greg Maddux.

Dr. Brave

March 17th, 2009
12:50 pm

DOB… Gut feeling…do you think Francoeur actually for lack of a better word, snubbed the powers that be in their attempts to help him out of the funk from last year? And why the secrecy of who the “guru” was/is that worked with him this winter? Is he with the program or buying time? Just currious

Fleming

March 17th, 2009
12:50 pm

Can anyone tell me what happened on 24 last night. Missed it.

lewie

March 17th, 2009
12:50 pm

what station is carrying the game on Wed?

TexasBrave

March 17th, 2009
12:50 pm

DOB is there a reason why Anderson is not leading off except that Niese is left handed? It would seem to me that if Anderson is going to be our leadoff hitter he is going to have to face them in the leadoff roll as well.

18 Wheels of Love

March 17th, 2009
12:51 pm

Murphy is why I am a fan. Wrote my 10th grade english essay in ‘88 on how he was a great role model.

ease19

March 17th, 2009
12:51 pm

Just an Oswalt Lite…

RIP Skip

March 17th, 2009
12:52 pm

I think it’s difficult to compare pitchers with everyday players. Best two Atlanta Braves players ever? DALE MURPHY AND HANK AARON, although Chipper will surpass Murphy soon.

Best two pitchers? GREG MADDUX and PHIL NIEKRO. Glavine is right there, but not quite.

ease19

March 17th, 2009
12:53 pm

Fleming – I am sure some of us have it recorded so try this as to not ruin it.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20266045,00.html

mbatl

March 17th, 2009
12:54 pm

Fleming, you can watch the full episode at Hulu.com

DukeBoy

March 17th, 2009
12:54 pm

Fleming u missed a GREAT episode of 24…

jharmon284

March 17th, 2009
12:55 pm

lewie, I’m assuming it will be on SNY.

timthebrave

March 17th, 2009
12:56 pm

i change my vote…i picked hank aaron and john smoltz….i would like to change that to hank aaron and greg maddux

BravesAC

March 17th, 2009
12:56 pm

O’Anders
First time I ever laughed at one of your posts, but your “O’” did the trick…unlike your Met starting pitching.

DukeBoy

March 17th, 2009
12:57 pm

whos pitching besides JJ?

mcspotts

March 17th, 2009
12:57 pm

Bobby Cox has made a lot of decisions that I don’t agree with, but not pitching Eric O’Flaherty on St. Patrick’s day is up there.

Fleming

March 17th, 2009
12:59 pm

Tomahawk210

March 17th, 2009
12:59 pm

Very nice we’ll get to watch Schafer and Hanson on T.V. tomorrow which is on MLB network. On Direct TV it’s on channel 213. Anybody notice J Anderson isn’t leading off today. I know a lefty is pitching but Bobby still moved him down to 8th in the line-up.

McBigchiefrg

March 17th, 2009
12:59 pm

Can we get the murph to play RF this year? Maybe get him over the 400 HR mark.

DAP

March 17th, 2009
1:00 pm

andy

i voted aaron and someone else, not because i was thinking of niekro or maddux, but because i couldnt choose between chipper and murphy.

mine was was just a “its definetly aaron, and then someone else” kind of vote.

NickB

March 17th, 2009
1:01 pm

Let us hope for some quality inning from JJ today and that Frenchy can put some xtra base hits together. Though his improved singles hitting is a good sign.

DukeBoy

March 17th, 2009
1:03 pm

I predict a 3-3 day from Frency including a home run and a double.

keylargo

March 17th, 2009
1:03 pm

Face the facts, Florida Marlins, that stadium is still on a distant horizon and you are going to have to make your payroll for a few more years while playing in Joe Robbie Stadium.

http://www.miamiherald.com/486/story/953478.html

The Marlins are a soap opera and will continue to be indefinitely. Their payroll was $21 million last year, but they have a core of seven players making that much this year. I kept suggesting that the Braves pursue Hanley Ramirez (and his HEAVILY BACKLOADED contract) last year, but the Braves didn’t seem to need a #3 hitter who can hit 30 HR’s, steal 30 bases, and be the best offensive player on the team.

dogsbrekky

March 17th, 2009
1:04 pm

DOB – If you see Dale Murphy, can you tell him to get his people to respond to volunteers who want to help with his “I Don’t Cheat” program please. I have offered my services and those of others here in the NE and have had zero response.

Southpaw

March 17th, 2009
1:08 pm

Hank Aaron & Chipper Jones; Honorable mention: John Smoltz, Greg Maddox, Warren Spahn, Joe Torre, Dale Murphy. Not Glavine because he bolted. Smoltz turned down a lot of money from the Yankees a few years back. Oh yeh, Ralph Garr needs to be on the short list too. Not a great brave, but one of my favorites was Gerald Perry. He is very good hitter and teacher.

DukeBoy

March 17th, 2009
1:09 pm

Agree with you Southpaw, great list.

KC

March 17th, 2009
1:10 pm

rOPER

March 17th, 2009
1:10 pm

Could somebody please post a link to the braves gameday? It’s just absurd how difficult it is to find a link on the mlb site.

John Adcox

March 17th, 2009
1:11 pm

BravesFan

March 17th, 2009
1:11 pm

Bravesologist

March 17th, 2009
1:12 pm

The Marlins would be very reluctant to trade Hanley within the division, it would almost never happen with a player of that caliber.

SoWeGa Fanatic

March 17th, 2009
1:12 pm

Joe Torre? Ralph Garr? Gerald Perry? Great Braves? Good grief! You forgot Mike Lum and Roland Office.

THWG

March 17th, 2009
1:12 pm

Fleming- Most definitely worth watching on hulu.

RIP Skip

March 17th, 2009
1:14 pm

DUKEBOY…I predict that you got good and liquored up before you made that prediction. :)

mcspotts

March 17th, 2009
1:15 pm

roper – Just go to http://www.atlantabraves.com and it’s always right there. It’ll be under a big picture of the pitcher making his throwing face.

cvbraves

March 17th, 2009
1:15 pm

Inning 1
Top Half
B:0 S:0 O:1 – Marlon Anderson pops out to third baseman Omar Infante in foul territory.

——————————————————————————–

B:0 S:0 O:2 – Jose Valentin grounds out, shortstop Yunel Escobar to first baseman Casey Kotchman.

DukeBoy

March 17th, 2009
1:17 pm

RIP Skip… no liquor, just a dream.

RIP Skip

March 17th, 2009
1:17 pm

As for great “all-time” Braves, what about the performance by Hank Gowdy in the 1914 World Series? Not to mention that in that first ever series sweep, the Boston Braves used only 3 pitchers in the 39 innings played: Rudolph, James, and Tyler. Pretty impressive.

rOPER

March 17th, 2009
1:17 pm

Thanks for the links guys, but neither is a link to gameday. It does still exist doesn’t it? The one off of the “official” site that has pitch by pitch updating?

cvbraves

March 17th, 2009
1:17 pm

Inning 1
Top Half

B:0 S:0 O:2 – Daniel Murphy singles on a line drive to left fielder Matt Diaz.

——————————————————————————–

B:0 S:0 O:3 – Nick Evans grounds into a force out, fielded by shortstop Yunel Escobar. Daniel Murphy out at 2nd.

David O'Brien

March 17th, 2009
1:18 pm

I messed up and was play-by-playing on the old blog,

I wrote (old now):

Pop foul out and a 6-3 to start the first inning for Jurrjens, now facing Murphy’s … er, Murphy.

Single to left

raindawg722

March 17th, 2009
1:19 pm

Anders, regarding your 12:40 p.m., you owe an apology to one Mr. Fred Sanford.

David O'Brien

March 17th, 2009
1:21 pm

Braves’ first: Escobar grounded out, Kelly lined out the other way to left, and Diaz walked.

mcspotts

March 17th, 2009
1:22 pm

I don’t get why so many people are picking Hank Aaron and Dale Murphy as the greatest Braves. I mean, I love Dale Murphy, but Chipper has more HR, 2B, R, H, and a higher average in fewer games and ABs. I guess time makes you appreciate people more.

My vote went for “Someone else” though (Greg Maddux)

Steve McP

March 17th, 2009
1:23 pm

Roper – No gameday during ST

cphizzle

March 17th, 2009
1:23 pm

i would like to cast a vote for Fred Mcgriff, the guy set the house on fire when he came to town! Chalk one up for the Crime Dog

N8

March 17th, 2009
1:23 pm

As good as Murph was, as good as Chipper is and will end up being, as GREAT as Smoltz was in the post-season (along with him dominating in two different roles), it AMAZES me how little respect and credit Glavine gets amongst Braves fans. Why?

Because he left for the Mets for a few years? Dude is one of the greatest left-handed pitchers EVER. Certainly that has to put him in the running for Greatest Atlanta Brave doesn’t it? Besides. No Tom Glavine, and there might not be a WS Champion banner in the outfield at Turner Field.

I was just as mad when he left. I was rubbed the wrong way when he spoke for the union during the strike. But come on! Give the guy some damn credit already.

Random

March 17th, 2009
1:23 pm

This may be old news, but I just noticed that CSN (Comcast Sports Net?) would be televising four ST games — 26 & 31 Mar, and 2 & 3 Apr.

rOPER

March 17th, 2009
1:24 pm

ah, thanks steve.

Eric

March 17th, 2009
1:24 pm

Why is Josh Anderson not leading off? Yunel is not a lead off hitter Bobby!

RIP Skip

March 17th, 2009
1:24 pm

mcspotts…You make a great point about Chipper Jones. But I guess the fish gets bigger every year after you catch it.

David O'Brien

March 17th, 2009
1:24 pm

Fleming, on 24 last night: Some fisticuffs, a little gunfire, Jack prevailed. Good stuff.

Chicago Brave

March 17th, 2009
1:24 pm

My other was Maddux. Hank was the man for a long time. He became my hero in 3rd grade, 1957, Milwaukee. The Braves AAA team was the Louisville Colonels and my family lived in Jeffersonville, IN, a suburb of Louisville. The Braves got a lot of coverage and they and Yankees were the best teams in that era. Niekro and Murph doing it during all those down years was way impressive, and followed them daily, but they weren’t the best. How can anyone win 300 games on those teams…

dogsbrekky

March 17th, 2009
1:25 pm

Dave Justice for THAT hr, but he negates that by going to the evil empire

cvbraves

March 17th, 2009
1:25 pm

Mighty Casey has struck out!

GSU-Lee

March 17th, 2009
1:26 pm

“On 24 last night: some fisticuffs, a little gunfire, Jack prevailed…”

Isn’t that pretty much every episode?

dogsbrekky

March 17th, 2009
1:26 pm

At least the METS are playing their Irishmen today !!

Bout all they will do right this year

David O'Brien

March 17th, 2009
1:27 pm

Eric, might be that he’s checking other leadoff options in case Josh isn’t the center fielder, or might just be checking other leadoff options even if he is. Bobby said from the start of spring that he had a few candidates for leadoff. He might have meant it.

Mark Twine

March 17th, 2009
1:27 pm

TY Dog, took the words right out of my mouth, JUSTICE 23

N8

March 17th, 2009
1:28 pm

I should add that my above post was in response to Glavine getting 3% of the votes as being the other half of the Hank Aaron combo for greatest two Atlanta Braves.

Hell, Hammer only hit 335 of his HR in Atlanta anyhow. Why does he AUTOMATICALLY get a free pass? Didn’t Chipper pass him on the all time HR list for Atlanta Braves?

My opinion? Chipper and Glavine, with Smoltz and Maddux coming in for a close 3rd and 4th. Smoltz was obviously in Atlanta longer (but he was hurt more), and Maddux pretty much had one of the greatest 10 year runs in the history of baseball while in a Braves uniform.

But I’ve we’re simply talking about ATLANTA Braves, I’m going with Chipper and Glavine.

David O'Brien

March 17th, 2009
1:28 pm

Jurrjens struck out the side — Church, Kielty, Cancel.

ncgary

March 17th, 2009
1:29 pm

really chicago if neikro had played on a real big league team all those years instead of in atlanta he might have had 500 wins. ron reid was impressive for a long time in atlanta also

beachcomber

March 17th, 2009
1:29 pm

The economy has sure had an effect on the number of spring games available via radio or on line this year. No coverage of Braves-Mets today for non Atlanta residents.

Last weekend, XM had all of three Florida games on Sunday. Stations/networks just aren’t sending their folks to Florida like they used to.

Attendance here in the Tampa Bay area seems to be holding up. The Phils, no doubt riding their WS win, have had about a half dozen sellouts and a Clearwater record attendance against the Cards last Sunday – and they still haven’t hosted the Bosox or Yanks – that comes next week and weekend.

mcspotts

March 17th, 2009
1:30 pm

N8 – I think Glavine was a great player. But I didn’t vote for him because I think in his prime Maddux was one of the greatest pitchers EVER (his 94 and 95 seasons were absolutely ridiculous)

Also, I think a common perception of Glavine is that he’s past his prime and is only good for an ERA in the 4’s this year, and that’s if he stays healthy. So it’s harder to remember his glory days.

DukeBoy

March 17th, 2009
1:30 pm

Epinephrine

March 17th, 2009
1:30 pm

Big game for Jurrjens. This is an atrocious line up, and he needs to prove to himself that he is coming along and making adjustments. The Braves absolutely need him to avoid a sophomore slump. Good stuff so far.

dogsbrekky

March 17th, 2009
1:31 pm

N8 – I think Aaron is easily nos 1, but I can see arguments for all names mentioned, my favorite player will always be Maddux..

Josh H

March 17th, 2009
1:31 pm

mcspotts:

Not that I’m a stats guru, but Dale Murphy played for some awful teams.

Champ

March 17th, 2009
1:31 pm

wow you’re quick gsu-lee!

David O'Brien

March 17th, 2009
1:32 pm

Francoeur single up the middle

Random

March 17th, 2009
1:32 pm

Aaron is/was the greatest Brave ever, but not in my top five Atlanta Braves.

Niekro/Chipper-Smoltz-Glavine/Murphy/Maddux/Aaron

GSU-Lee

March 17th, 2009
1:33 pm

Champ, you gotta be quick if you are directing sarcasm at DOB, because he turns it around so fast

mbatl

March 17th, 2009
1:33 pm

“Jurrjens struck out the side — Church, Kielty, Cancel.”

Wow, that’s good to hear. He’s not been striking out many guys. Of course, that’s not exactly Murderer’s Row….

As to Esco leading off, my theory is that Schafer will make the team and start in CF, but that he’ll bat 7th or 8th for the first month or two so he can just focus on hitting the ball, not situational stuff. If so, makes sense to get some other guys some time leading off.

cphizzle

March 17th, 2009
1:34 pm

hey the single king is in the house today give it up ladies and gentlemen for frenchdogg

mcspotts

March 17th, 2009
1:34 pm

Man….looking at Maddux’s career stats, I’m upset that I was too young to appreciate him in the early 90’s. His ERAs from 92-95:

1992 – 2.18
1993 – 2.36
1994 – 1.56
1995 – 1.63

that’s just unbelievable

DAP

March 17th, 2009
1:34 pm

i think that if murphy had won his two MVPs during the division title run, it would be a much tougher decision for folks who automatically go with chipper. id go with chipper too, but murphy really was special, and was on a really bad team. who wins back to back MVPs? that doesnt happen much.

DukeBoy

March 17th, 2009
1:35 pm

I told u RIPSkip

GSU-Lee

March 17th, 2009
1:35 pm

Mcspotts- Especially 1995, he went 19-2 that year in a strike shortened season. That is ridiculous.

N8

March 17th, 2009
1:36 pm

dogsbrekky, Maybe it’s because I’m younger, and didn’t grow up watching the Hammer, that I don’t give him his due (even though I still consider him the HR King).

But the question was about ATLANTA Braves, not the history of the Braves franchise (In which Hank is 4th on the list, behind Chipper, Murphy and ANdruw).

It’s really a simple question. I’m in no way saying that ANY of those guys are better or more important to the history of the game, than Hank. But WHILE IN ATLANTA, one could argue that ALL OF THEM were. Hell, Andruw had more HR and won how many gold gloves, often being referred to as the greatest CF since Mays. One really could argure that even Andruw is ahead of Hank, while in Atlanta.

Which is why, one can’t discount Maddux. What he did in his time in Atlanta is astounding, IMO.

Mac

March 17th, 2009
1:36 pm

The two greatest Atlanta Braves for me? That’s easy; Zane Smith and David Palmer, with Paul Assenmacher ever so close.

David O'Brien

March 17th, 2009
1:36 pm

JOSH ANDERSON two-run homer on 1-1 pitch

N8

March 17th, 2009
1:37 pm

I worded my first paragraph wrong in the las post. Hank is fourth on the ATLANTA Braves HR list. NOT the history of the Braves franchise (obviously).

dogsbrekky

March 17th, 2009
1:38 pm

mcspotts – I think the most overlooked record in sports is the 16 straight years that Mad-dog won 15 games or more…. nowadays the media gets all orgasmic about guys who do it ONCE !

McFann :Ô:

March 17th, 2009
1:38 pm

Thanks for the new Blog, Chief! Love the little shamrock–thank you for making it have three leaves!

Happy Saint Patrick’s Day, Denizens!

Rob from SC

March 17th, 2009
1:38 pm

DOB – how would you predict the CF race as of now

Marcus

March 17th, 2009
1:38 pm

mcspotts

That is too bad, I’m 36 and he’s the best I’ve ever seen, that includes Clemens in his prime (Pre drugs 80’s prime). It was really amazing to watch how Maddux got into people’s head and carved them up with an upper 80’s fastball and change of speeds, the man is a baseball genius.

cvbraves

March 17th, 2009
1:38 pm

Competition between Josh and Jordan heats up!

Il Cattivo

March 17th, 2009
1:39 pm

Seriously J.Anderson – slugging homers. This CF race is getting pretty good I say.

Epinephrine

March 17th, 2009
1:39 pm

Haha wow, Josh Anderson showing some pop. Hey, I want Schafer to win that job, but he deserves the chance to compete for the job. Good for him.

Buffalo NY Braves Fan

March 17th, 2009
1:39 pm

It amazes me how no one remembers Spahn. It seems he gets so little respect on the ole blog here.

McFann :Ô:

March 17th, 2009
1:40 pm

Ha! That crazy boxscore on mlb.com has the game 0-0 in the middle of the second!

Gosh, I can’t stand that thing…

BUZZMEAT

March 17th, 2009
1:41 pm

go jordan schafuer!!!!!

DukeBoy

March 17th, 2009
1:41 pm

J. Anderson im impressed

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