Anders short for Anderson, Josh. JA just stole first again. So fast you can’t even see him. Seems the Schafer kid bypasses first and just goes to second.
I would make Hanson my 5th starter over Glavine. I see Glavine as a 8-12 pitcher. Hope I’m wrong. I think Hanson could win 12-15 games right now. At the end of the year I would hate to miss the playoffs by a game, with HAnson down in AAA for half the season!
Someone was asking about Vazquez a while ago. I saw him pitch in the WBC last week. He went 4 innings and was LIGHTS OUT, UNTOUCHABLE.
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I lived in Taiwan for five years and got to see some pro baseball there. It is about the level of our high A I’d say but it is really popular over there and the turnout is very good. The game is gaining ground all around the globe these days.
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It’s nice for a change not to see those ridiculous calls for Frank Wren to be tarred and feathered. And it seems Bobby Cox is getting a lot less ugly crap being hurled his way these days. That’s also good. Not often a city gets the privilege of having one of the best managers of all time and get to enjoy 14 consecutive division championships. Cox will be around until he is ready to retire. You can count on it.
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For those who say the Braves are beating only second grade players on the opposing teams this spring you really should fill your glasses. You might also consider the Braves are playing their prospects (and second teamers) at the same time. To me it looks like the Braves are going to open the season with a very well balanced team, capable of winning a ton of games and one that will bring excitement to Atlanta in 2009.
I wonder just what Cox and Wren are thinking in their decision making concerning their rotation. Sure looks like Glavine was not needed but they have him, if he can get people out, that is.
Personally, I thought what the Rays did last spring with Eva Longoria was chicken-$hit…..holding him back for contract considerations when he had clearly won the job in the spring. I hope the Braves don’t resort to such actions if indeed guys like Hanson or Schafer win their jobs in the spring.
Like some have said, put your best team out there, even if you have to put somebody else in the pen, or outright another player.
Shameless plug here for my boys. I know music is constantly discussed here, and I want to let everyone here know 10 Years is going to be at the Masquerade on Sunday night. They’re a rock band from Knoxville, TN. If you listen to radio rock you’ve most likely heard their most famous song, “Wasteland”. It was at the top of the Modern Rock charts for a few months in 2007. They released their sophomore effort titled “Division” last May, and put on a hell of a live show. If you want to check them out http://www.myspace.com/10years or http://www.10yearsmusic.com . Tickets are $14 in advance and $16 at the door if you want to come out. I have seen them 10 times and this is the very first headlining show they’ve ever done in Atlanta. Let me know what you guys think.
Keep reminding yourselves that it’s only spring training.
That said, the Braves are putting up some impressive numbers, especially considering they’ve been without their two best hitters (Chipper and Mac) for nearly two weeks. And Garrett Anderson hasn’t played in a Grapefruit League game.
In their 10th consecutive win (nine Grapefruit), they got got another 14 hits Friday, raising their National League-leading batting average to .306.
Meanwhile, their pitchers gave up one earned run to lower their NL-leading ERA to 3.18 ERA, more than a half-run lower than any other team.
“We’re making some good players, getting timely hits, and we’ve had outstanding pitching all spring,” Cox said.
Let’s repeat: It’s only spring training.
But if you’re a Braves fan, it’s certainly better to see this than the alternative. And perhaps the most important thing: the lack of major injuries.
Dave , you are pretty much spot on with your take on the Braves so far… While it is still very early, it is nice to be ringing up wins. Good for the team and good for the fans. At least it has kept the drive by Mets fans from being too vocal….
OK, I gotta clear out of here. The Cardinals have a split-squad game with the Orioles, who are taking batting practice on the field now. Weird. Whole new crowd coming in, new food being put out in the pressbox (mahi mahi tacos; I’ll have to grab a couple before I bolt), new hacks entering the fray.
Gonna be tough to beat the Phils, but I think the Braves have a real, legit shot at the wild card. The Mets have way more weak spots in their lineup than we do (we have exactly NONE), and a far worse pitching staff outside of Santana. If the wild card doesn’t come out of the West, I think it’ll come out of Atlanta.
Go Braves!
So for all you Hanson fans out there. How many innings do you think the
kid has in him this year. 100, 150, 200. Remember the concern we all had for Jair last year.
If he starts in the bigs we could burn him up by August,
It is a long season out there. It will take a bunch of pitchers to get us through.
I would rather see the kid pitch in October than April
While I think the Phillies will be tough this year, I really didn’t see them being the best team in baseball last year, as much as just being the team that peaked at the playoffs.
Once in a while a team is so dominant all year, and blast through the playoffs (Red Sox in 2007). Other times, a lot of teams are excellent at times through the year, and the one that peaks at the end wins it all.
Of course, there are exceptions to my points, but what I am getting around to saying is that I don’t expect the Phillies to dominate in the NL East this year. It’s anybody’s game. A lot will have to do with injuries and such, but there are 4 teams in the east with a shot. And then there is the playoffs for a team that struggles early, and maybe finishes strong.
It could be a fun year for Braves fans if the Braves avoid the injury bug, and a couple of things go our way.
Sticking to the subject of Hanson, for all y’all that have seen him. What’s he look like. How is his motion, his mechanics? Is he going to blow up like Woods? Is he fluid, does he but undo stress on his shoulder or elbow? Does he look like a 20 year pitcher or a 5 year pitcher? How long before he has his Tommy John surgery? I hate to sound cynical but TJ surgery seems to be pretty SOP these days
Wayne-I’m just not seeing Hanson start the season in Atlanta-or Schafer.
With so many fifth starter options with ML experience (Morton, Parr and Reyes, not to mention Glavine), there’s just absolutely NO reason for Hanson to start the year anywhere but Gwinnett.
Short of a trade, don’t expect to see either Blanco (still has options) or Schafer (clock hasn’t even started yet) start the year in Atlanta either. With Josh out of options and Brandon Jones hitting well, I just don’t see them making the team out of Spring Training.
There’s absolutely no reason to rush them into an early start when there are so many other alternatives. Like I said-without a trade (which is entirely possible), I doubt neither Hanson nor Schafer start the year on the ML team. It won’t hurt them to have some more time in the minors since neither has played above AA.
I just got back home (to our condo in Delray Beach) from the Braves-Marlins game in Jupiter. Read DOB’s comments and, as usual, they were right on.
Tommy Hanson did struggle a bit in the first inning but, in spite of that, never looked like he was not in control. He may not have had his “A” game but, man, the movement on his off-speed stuff was absolutely wicked. I can easily see why he’s virtually unhittable when he’s on.
Second thing I would say it that the Braves team from top to bottom look very good. Even these 19-year old phenoms Heyward and Freeman contributed and looked like good major leaguers. And the pitching, well, something else. Finally, as good as these Braves look, the Marlins looked equally BAD. Other than Maybin, who looks to be an inch from stardom, and Ramirez who is already there of course, these Marlins don’t look like a team that’s going to compete for a playoff spot.
When Chipper and Mac get back the team should be able to play with anybody. The season can’t start soon enough for me.
There’s a lot to be said for some well placed “wildness” for a pitcher. I am thinking about Kevin Costner’s comments to the batter after Nuke hit the bull.
Lew, I agree 100% and more importantly, I think that’s the way Wren and Cox see it, too. Both Schafer and Hanson need to complete another half-season in the minors, as both have only played half a year at AA. One full year above A ball is the standard minimum, and we’ve got plenty of solid options to take us into July.
I forgot to mention, in case DOB didn’t, that Schafer had a fine day. Made a spectacular diving catch in left-center and had a couple hits. His all-around play, including speed, is going to make it tough for Bobby not to keep him on the major league team come April. He did fan his first two times up but he still looked very good to me. A keeper.
From: AdirondackDave
“I just got back home (to our condo in Delray Beach) from the Braves-Marlins game in Jupiter.”
Both you and Dave OB (and everyone else) should not leave Jupiter without a visit to the Square Grouper; its a tiki bar on Jupiter inlet. Awesome … go to http://www.squaregrouper.net/
Well since Coach K will pass both Dean Smith and Bobby Knight. You can cross them off the list however, John Wooden is another story. You got me with him.
Dave: Exhibition… hummm and now a picture in the blog… Pictures at an Exhibition… memories of Emerson Lake and Palmer… looked it up… 1971. Gotta move my vinyl to mp3. Inspired.
And further regarding pictures at an exhibition… Still have my laptop wallpaper picture of Chipper hands on hips, glove off, with Langy behind him rounding third on homer. It characterized last season for me. But, my impression so far reading your articles and blog… encouraged, ready now to put up a new picture from the exhibition. Thanks, Bruce
LEW — I sort of agree with you on Hanson and Schafer, especially Hanson. Here’s the thing with Schafer that I had sensed before and saw today. He seems to be that special player who can be a game-changer, both offensively and definsively. Clearly he has little or nothing left to prove with his glove and he really hits the ball with authority pretty consistently.
Anderson does have great speed and fits the lead-off mold better than Schafer and Bobby may see that as a more immediate need. I think Schafer will very soon be a 2-3-5-6 hitter. He seems highly motivated it going to make it a tough decision for Bobby. We’ll know in a few weeks.
Hi folks, new poster (but a long-time lurker) here. I’m old enough to have seen Ted William pinch-hit at Yankee Stadium (he fouled to first.) My gal and I go to about twenty Braves games a year and I love the team.
Can someone provide an update on James Parr? His line was fantastic. Is he in the running for a bullpen job? Thanks!
Years ago I patronized (drank copious amounts of beer after work) a place called Mr. Pibbs Gator Lounge in Boynton Beach just up the road from you. Do you know if it’s still there? Ever been?
DiamondbackMac — Don’t know if Mr. Pibbs is still there. We’re in Boynton quite a bit but haven’t driven by it. I’ll check the phone book and let you know.
With all due respect. O’Brien, you my friend have had way too much F-N red bull today.
Few metal bands on planet earth can match Metallica when it comes to pure power, vocals and lyrical genius.
Mastodon= Brutal Ear Rape. Decent band but in no way do they compare to the original Gods of metal music. Sacrilege, my man, sacrilege.
It’s nice to see Tommy Hanson doing his thing. My recommendation is for all you lucky fans in Atlanta to bypass Turner Field, save some bucks and go watch the Gwinnett Braves play. besides, they are almost guaranteed to dominate. Unlike our Atlanta Braves.
Josh Anderson can absolutely fly folks, man. Here’s some recent times TP and I clocked on him:
2.6 sec
2.5 sec
2.4 sec
2.3 sec
Homeplate to dugout. Faster in the later innings! Really beneficial in the “speed up the game” era.
I’m a Carolina alum and firmly believe that Wooden was the greatest college basketball coach of all time. Winning NCAA titles 10 out of 12 years will never be equaled.
But Coach K’s (and Bob Knight’s and Roy Williams’s) winning totals are impressive, but they don’t really compare to what Wooden, Dean and that old racist Adolph Rupp accomplished because they coached in an era when teams played 25-32 games a season, not 40 as is the case now.
It’s much easier piling up 800+ wins when you play 8 to 10 more games a season than your predecessors.
While I hate Dook I admire what Coach K does with his kids, because he hasn’t consistently recruited the talent that Roy, Jim Calhoun and Billy Donovan (to name a few) have signed in recent years.
Well Knight started coaching around the same time Dean Smith did. Typical Carolina fan to overlook that. But Coach K is just as good as Dean and better than Roy or Calhoun. Besides the greatest college basketball coach of all time might be Pat Summit. I dont like Tennessee but that woman could sure coach basketball.
AdirondackDave, I forgot to mention Schafer’s terrific catch in the little note I did on him for the paper. It was probably the best catch of the spring by a Brave so far. Covered a ton of ground, Cox said he and others in dugout thought Schafer had no chance to get to it.
Roach, I’ll agree with you, actually, on Coach K. The kind of coach you hate when he’s on the other team, but you’d love to have him coaching yours. He’s in the latter years of his career now, but he’s still great.
I’d take Knight in his prime over all of them. Having said that, I realize it’s hard to argue that anybody’s better than Wooden, in any sport, based on the overwhelming number of wins and championships his team produced.
But then, UCLA or no other team could ever have a dynasty even remotely similar in this day and age, or in the past 30 years. Game has changed entirely. There’s so much parity and so many great programs, no one team can dominate in recruiting like that anymore, or keep the bulk of its star players for as many as two or three years, and you have to win so many more games in the tourney now than you did back in the UCLA dynasty years.
John Wooden actually grew up about 15-20 miles from where I live. He was long gone to California when I was born but interesting to know he grew up around the same area I did.
I hope that Bobby will make an unemotional decision regarding who is on the 25 man roster and select the best 25 players to start the season. If that means leaving Glavine and G. Anderson off the team, then so be it. A team may not win a championship in May and June but they can sure lose one by believing these games don’t count as much as those palyed in August and September.
“But if you’re a Braves fan, it’s certainly better to see this than the alternative. And perhaps the most important thing: the lack of major injuries.” – DOB
Well now you’ve done it. Better start a pool on who gets seriously injured tomorrow. I don’t know why you continue to doubt your influence on what happens with this team.
Braves Paisan: I can’t really provide you an update on James Parr, although I thought he did a pretty good job late last year and he has done very well this year in limited appearances. I think he’s right there with Charlie Morton and Jo Jo Reyes, probably at AAA Gwinnett this year. By the way, sounds like we’re about the same age. Most of the other folks on the blog are much more astute than me.
I hear what some of you are saying about sending a player down to start the season. My point is this, IF a player needs some additional seasoning, then yes, please send him down if you have a suitable (meaning a GOOD suitable) replacement.
IF a player dominates in the spring, is pitching/hitting against AAAA players going to make him better? You might answer, “It’s for his confidence.” Has anyone questioned Schafer and Hanson’s confidence levels? I don’t think so.
So, if your just sending them down because Josh Anderson is having an OK spring, or because you already have 4 decent starters, I am having none of that.
I just get tired of babying players sometimes, especially if they are ready and prove it in the spring.
DOB — Absolutely, I agree. Schafer’s catch was AJ at his best. Can’t wait until we see him playing everyday in CF. I think he has the same game-impact type of capability we’ve seen in McCann, maybe more so because of his stellar defense.
How exactly does one “wait” for a three-run homer? Steve Ohio
I always wondered that so I asked Bobby and he told me that he tells his hitters not to homer if there aren’t at least 2 men on base and if they do they are in his doghouse. See that was easy to find out
It’s supa’ fine and all dat da damn Braves are some sprin’ trainin’ juggernaut and dat Francoeur gots’ta had dree supa’ fine days dis sprin’; but it really duzn’t mean much if anydin’. Fo’ cryin’ out loud, de Pirates are in second. Wid Francoeur, if dree years uh mediocre t’pure awfulness isn’t enough t’convince some sucka’s, ah’ doubt him bein’ bad-ass in sprin’ would. Personally ah’ dink de Braves gots’ta be good, Francoeur gonna continue t’be a huge OBP liability and Schafer will eventually snatch de damn center field job fum Anderson in-season; as Anderson walks less dan Francoeur.
It might be wise in regard to all of the decisions yet to be made about the team, including Schafer and Hanson, to realize that for the most part, we on the blog, 1) have hardly seen any of them actually play, 2) are not privy to the full picture regarding anyone’s development and the goals set by the Brave’s for each one.
It might not be wise to make decisions on numbers or what has been seen without having more knowledge. To do so would be akin to trying to figure out the sum of 10 numbers when you only have 6 of the numbers.
I may be wrong, but I do not think the Braves’ FO is going to send anyone down just to send them down. Going to AAA is not just about playing against AAA level players. The Braves have developed these players and know where they want them to be when they come to the ML team. At AAA the development is more important than the games themselves. Last year they decided to go with Blanco because Bobby finally saw something in him that they had wanted to develop in him. I would not be surprised if the same would be true of Schafer. If they see him as having developed the things they want him to develop then he will most likely start in CF. However, personally, I would not mind him going to AAA if they feel that by doing so he could become a 5 star player whereas on the other hand they feel he would be a 3 star player without the developmental atmosphere and experience of the minors.
I like what I see in his abilities, but I also have some trust in the Braves FO, who knows all the missing numbers, to make a more informed decision than I could (without the missing numbers).
I have used Schafer as an example, but the same is true with all of these guys. It is nice to gush over what we see, but, again, it might be wise to not get ourselves worked up to be disappointed (or angry) because the Braves decide something different from the way we “feel”.
FROM THE BILL JAMES Q & A POSTED EARLIER_BOY DOES THIS APPLY TO BASEBALL BOARDS
A: It is totally impossible to isolate the correct strategic choice in almost all real-life situations, for the simple reason that all real-life strategic situations involve dozens of variables, many of which have not been thoroughly tested by trial. People who think that they know when a manager should bunt and when a manager should pitch out and when a manager should make a pitching change are amateurs. People who have actually studied these issues know that the answer disappears in a cloud of untested variables.
Bobby is a dead ringer for a dear (and dead, Gawd bless his soul) old friend of mine. If the pitcher had beer on the mound and a grill fired-up when Bobby went for a visit, it would be like revisiting the past with my old friend…
James (Tunney) Moore was his name; he was an American original.
Over time, every hitter will hit better when he has the platoon advantage than when he does not. There may be an exception, maybe two exceptions. You see a lot of reverse splits or backwards splits in one-year data — lefties hitting better against lefties, etc. Over time, at least 99 percent of hitters are going to hit better when they have the edge, and certainly the difference is significant.
The Braves are looking awfully good this spring but I’m having cautious optimism. So many intangibles have to be present for a team to be successful. As we all know far too well injuries can sink a team. If the Braves stay healthy they could be one of the best teams in baseball. The bullpen would by far be the best in the majors. But, the key is staying healthy.
I’ll say this. Tommy Hanson, Freddie Freeman, and Jason Hayward not only give me lots of hope for the future but they are putting severe pressure on certain current Braves. If I were Jeff Francoeur and Casey Kothcman I would feel lots of pressure to succeed this year because if they don’t I don’t think they will have starting jobs next year. And Tommy Hanson has to have Bobby Cox and Frank Wren gushing like school girls. I really think this kid could get 15 wins this year if he started.
The Braves present looks pretty good. Their future looks a helluva lot better. Just think this could be the Braves lineup in 2010: 1B Freddie Freeman; 2B Kelly Johnson; SS Yunel Escobar; 3B Chipper Jones; LF Jason Heyward; CF Jordan Schaffer; RF Jeff Francoeur; C Brian McCann
The rotation: Lowe, Jurrjens, Kenshin K, Vasquez and Hanson with Reyes, Morton, and Parr lurking.
I need over and unders for my Injury League:
(1)How many games does the Hooters Man play??
(2)How many innings pitched for the Billerica Union Organizer?
(3)How many games does the Madonna disappointer play??
I rememba’ ya’ Lillibridge. You’s wuz de Braves best high-level sho’tstop prospect goin’ into 2007 and kinda melted waaay down and look now likes some utility player.
Flange1, you got me thinking with that Femme Fatale reference…. Whether it’s spelled Nico or Neko, it’s going to be a gorgeous woman with a distinct voice.
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Bobby's Belly
March 13th, 2009
5:03 pm
Anders short for Anderson, Josh. JA just stole first again. So fast you can’t even see him. Seems the Schafer kid bypasses first and just goes to second.
monty
March 13th, 2009
5:06 pm
I would make Hanson my 5th starter over Glavine. I see Glavine as a 8-12 pitcher. Hope I’m wrong. I think Hanson could win 12-15 games right now. At the end of the year I would hate to miss the playoffs by a game, with HAnson down in AAA for half the season!
cphizzle
March 13th, 2009
5:08 pm
Random, how do i apply for that job? can i put you down as a reference?
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
March 13th, 2009
5:09 pm
Someone was asking about Vazquez a while ago. I saw him pitch in the WBC last week. He went 4 innings and was LIGHTS OUT, UNTOUCHABLE.
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I lived in Taiwan for five years and got to see some pro baseball there. It is about the level of our high A I’d say but it is really popular over there and the turnout is very good. The game is gaining ground all around the globe these days.
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It’s nice for a change not to see those ridiculous calls for Frank Wren to be tarred and feathered. And it seems Bobby Cox is getting a lot less ugly crap being hurled his way these days. That’s also good. Not often a city gets the privilege of having one of the best managers of all time and get to enjoy 14 consecutive division championships. Cox will be around until he is ready to retire. You can count on it.
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For those who say the Braves are beating only second grade players on the opposing teams this spring you really should fill your glasses. You might also consider the Braves are playing their prospects (and second teamers) at the same time. To me it looks like the Braves are going to open the season with a very well balanced team, capable of winning a ton of games and one that will bring excitement to Atlanta in 2009.
I wonder just what Cox and Wren are thinking in their decision making concerning their rotation. Sure looks like Glavine was not needed but they have him, if he can get people out, that is.
Dadgum
March 13th, 2009
5:10 pm
GT & VT lose heartbreakers. The ACC is about over for me. Just watch, it will be another boring UNC/Puke final.
Rock on…..does Carolina get every call and put back. Damn!
Anders
March 13th, 2009
5:10 pm
Tomahawk – Calm down Kimosabe. We smoke peace pipe now.
Couch Tater
March 13th, 2009
5:14 pm
Sectin 412 & northbeachscott,
Thanks for the insight! DOB, if you need stringers…
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
March 13th, 2009
5:15 pm
Anders….
“Options” do not = “PED’S” lol.
Shane
March 13th, 2009
5:17 pm
I dont know if UNC gets all the calls but I know one school that does ……. Duke
Random
March 13th, 2009
5:18 pm
Hey, Section 412 — Welcome Back!
And thanks for the ST info and insights.
Tomahawk210
March 13th, 2009
5:30 pm
Anders-It’s not 4:20 anymore.
Wayne in Utah
March 13th, 2009
5:39 pm
Personally, I thought what the Rays did last spring with Eva Longoria was chicken-$hit…..holding him back for contract considerations when he had clearly won the job in the spring. I hope the Braves don’t resort to such actions if indeed guys like Hanson or Schafer win their jobs in the spring.
Like some have said, put your best team out there, even if you have to put somebody else in the pen, or outright another player.
Roach
March 13th, 2009
5:39 pm
You get the calls when you have the best college basketball coach ever!!! Go Blue Devils
Woogidy
March 13th, 2009
5:45 pm
Shameless plug here for my boys. I know music is constantly discussed here, and I want to let everyone here know 10 Years is going to be at the Masquerade on Sunday night. They’re a rock band from Knoxville, TN. If you listen to radio rock you’ve most likely heard their most famous song, “Wasteland”. It was at the top of the Modern Rock charts for a few months in 2007. They released their sophomore effort titled “Division” last May, and put on a hell of a live show. If you want to check them out http://www.myspace.com/10years or http://www.10yearsmusic.com . Tickets are $14 in advance and $16 at the door if you want to come out. I have seen them 10 times and this is the very first headlining show they’ve ever done in Atlanta. Let me know what you guys think.
winterville
March 13th, 2009
5:48 pm
Did anybody else see this on deadspin about James Parr?
http://deadspin.com/5169553/james-parrs-not-buying-into-all-this-obama-hype
David O'Brien
March 13th, 2009
5:49 pm
Keep reminding yourselves that it’s only spring training.
That said, the Braves are putting up some impressive numbers, especially considering they’ve been without their two best hitters (Chipper and Mac) for nearly two weeks. And Garrett Anderson hasn’t played in a Grapefruit League game.
In their 10th consecutive win (nine Grapefruit), they got got another 14 hits Friday, raising their National League-leading batting average to .306.
Meanwhile, their pitchers gave up one earned run to lower their NL-leading ERA to 3.18 ERA, more than a half-run lower than any other team.
“We’re making some good players, getting timely hits, and we’ve had outstanding pitching all spring,” Cox said.
Let’s repeat: It’s only spring training.
But if you’re a Braves fan, it’s certainly better to see this than the alternative. And perhaps the most important thing: the lack of major injuries.
David O'Brien
March 13th, 2009
5:53 pm
You get the calls when you have the best college basketball coach ever!!! Go Blue Devils — Roach
John Wooden, Bobby Knight and Dean Smith would like a word with you, son.
Gil In Mechanicsville
March 13th, 2009
5:56 pm
Dave , you are pretty much spot on with your take on the Braves so far… While it is still very early, it is nice to be ringing up wins. Good for the team and good for the fans. At least it has kept the drive by Mets fans from being too vocal….
David O'Brien
March 13th, 2009
5:59 pm
Kim: You asked how old Hanson is. He’s 22.
OK, I gotta clear out of here. The Cardinals have a split-squad game with the Orioles, who are taking batting practice on the field now. Weird. Whole new crowd coming in, new food being put out in the pressbox (mahi mahi tacos; I’ll have to grab a couple before I bolt), new hacks entering the fray.
ChipperFan
March 13th, 2009
6:00 pm
Gonna be tough to beat the Phils, but I think the Braves have a real, legit shot at the wild card. The Mets have way more weak spots in their lineup than we do (we have exactly NONE), and a far worse pitching staff outside of Santana. If the wild card doesn’t come out of the West, I think it’ll come out of Atlanta.
Go Braves!
No crying in baseball
March 13th, 2009
6:05 pm
So for all you Hanson fans out there. How many innings do you think the
kid has in him this year. 100, 150, 200. Remember the concern we all had for Jair last year.
If he starts in the bigs we could burn him up by August,
It is a long season out there. It will take a bunch of pitchers to get us through.
I would rather see the kid pitch in October than April
Wayne in Utah
March 13th, 2009
6:14 pm
ChipperFan
While I think the Phillies will be tough this year, I really didn’t see them being the best team in baseball last year, as much as just being the team that peaked at the playoffs.
Once in a while a team is so dominant all year, and blast through the playoffs (Red Sox in 2007). Other times, a lot of teams are excellent at times through the year, and the one that peaks at the end wins it all.
Of course, there are exceptions to my points, but what I am getting around to saying is that I don’t expect the Phillies to dominate in the NL East this year. It’s anybody’s game. A lot will have to do with injuries and such, but there are 4 teams in the east with a shot. And then there is the playoffs for a team that struggles early, and maybe finishes strong.
It could be a fun year for Braves fans if the Braves avoid the injury bug, and a couple of things go our way.
Wayne in Utah
March 13th, 2009
6:16 pm
No crying…
If Hanson wins a job out of the spring, I suspect Bobby will pace him throughout the season. Maybe put him in the 5th spot for the early going.
Just thinking out loud. I definitely hear your concerns about October vs April though.
No crying in baseball
March 13th, 2009
6:16 pm
Sticking to the subject of Hanson, for all y’all that have seen him. What’s he look like. How is his motion, his mechanics? Is he going to blow up like Woods? Is he fluid, does he but undo stress on his shoulder or elbow? Does he look like a 20 year pitcher or a 5 year pitcher? How long before he has his Tommy John surgery? I hate to sound cynical but TJ surgery seems to be pretty SOP these days
Pete
March 13th, 2009
6:17 pm
By: David O’Brien “Hanson then hit Hanley R. with a pitch.”
Is it just me, or in his first game when he hit (cant recall name) maybe it was not retaliation?
Lew
March 13th, 2009
6:27 pm
Wayne-I’m just not seeing Hanson start the season in Atlanta-or Schafer.
With so many fifth starter options with ML experience (Morton, Parr and Reyes, not to mention Glavine), there’s just absolutely NO reason for Hanson to start the year anywhere but Gwinnett.
Short of a trade, don’t expect to see either Blanco (still has options) or Schafer (clock hasn’t even started yet) start the year in Atlanta either. With Josh out of options and Brandon Jones hitting well, I just don’t see them making the team out of Spring Training.
There’s absolutely no reason to rush them into an early start when there are so many other alternatives. Like I said-without a trade (which is entirely possible), I doubt neither Hanson nor Schafer start the year on the ML team. It won’t hurt them to have some more time in the minors since neither has played above AA.
AdirondackDave
March 13th, 2009
6:30 pm
I just got back home (to our condo in Delray Beach) from the Braves-Marlins game in Jupiter. Read DOB’s comments and, as usual, they were right on.
Tommy Hanson did struggle a bit in the first inning but, in spite of that, never looked like he was not in control. He may not have had his “A” game but, man, the movement on his off-speed stuff was absolutely wicked. I can easily see why he’s virtually unhittable when he’s on.
Second thing I would say it that the Braves team from top to bottom look very good. Even these 19-year old phenoms Heyward and Freeman contributed and looked like good major leaguers. And the pitching, well, something else. Finally, as good as these Braves look, the Marlins looked equally BAD. Other than Maybin, who looks to be an inch from stardom, and Ramirez who is already there of course, these Marlins don’t look like a team that’s going to compete for a playoff spot.
When Chipper and Mac get back the team should be able to play with anybody. The season can’t start soon enough for me.
Wayne in Utah
March 13th, 2009
6:33 pm
Pete
There’s a lot to be said for some well placed “wildness” for a pitcher. I am thinking about Kevin Costner’s comments to the batter after Nuke hit the bull.
ChipperFan
March 13th, 2009
6:35 pm
Lew, I agree 100% and more importantly, I think that’s the way Wren and Cox see it, too. Both Schafer and Hanson need to complete another half-season in the minors, as both have only played half a year at AA. One full year above A ball is the standard minimum, and we’ve got plenty of solid options to take us into July.
AdirondackDave
March 13th, 2009
6:40 pm
I forgot to mention, in case DOB didn’t, that Schafer had a fine day. Made a spectacular diving catch in left-center and had a couple hits. His all-around play, including speed, is going to make it tough for Bobby not to keep him on the major league team come April. He did fan his first two times up but he still looked very good to me. A keeper.
Pete
March 13th, 2009
6:42 pm
From: AdirondackDave
“I just got back home (to our condo in Delray Beach) from the Braves-Marlins game in Jupiter.”
Both you and Dave OB (and everyone else) should not leave Jupiter without a visit to the Square Grouper; its a tiki bar on Jupiter inlet. Awesome … go to
http://www.squaregrouper.net/
Roach
March 13th, 2009
6:43 pm
DOB,
Well since Coach K will pass both Dean Smith and Bobby Knight. You can cross them off the list however, John Wooden is another story. You got me with him.
bruce
March 13th, 2009
6:56 pm
Dave: Exhibition… hummm and now a picture in the blog… Pictures at an Exhibition… memories of Emerson Lake and Palmer… looked it up… 1971. Gotta move my vinyl to mp3. Inspired.
And further regarding pictures at an exhibition… Still have my laptop wallpaper picture of Chipper hands on hips, glove off, with Langy behind him rounding third on homer. It characterized last season for me. But, my impression so far reading your articles and blog… encouraged, ready now to put up a new picture from the exhibition. Thanks, Bruce
AdirondackDave
March 13th, 2009
6:59 pm
LEW — I sort of agree with you on Hanson and Schafer, especially Hanson. Here’s the thing with Schafer that I had sensed before and saw today. He seems to be that special player who can be a game-changer, both offensively and definsively. Clearly he has little or nothing left to prove with his glove and he really hits the ball with authority pretty consistently.
Anderson does have great speed and fits the lead-off mold better than Schafer and Bobby may see that as a more immediate need. I think Schafer will very soon be a 2-3-5-6 hitter. He seems highly motivated it going to make it a tough decision for Bobby. We’ll know in a few weeks.
AdirondackDave
March 13th, 2009
7:01 pm
Thanks, Pete.
Braves Paisan
March 13th, 2009
7:08 pm
Hi folks, new poster (but a long-time lurker) here. I’m old enough to have seen Ted William pinch-hit at Yankee Stadium (he fouled to first.) My gal and I go to about twenty Braves games a year and I love the team.
Can someone provide an update on James Parr? His line was fantastic. Is he in the running for a bullpen job? Thanks!
DiamondbackMac
March 13th, 2009
7:09 pm
AdirondackDave
Years ago I patronized (drank copious amounts of beer after work) a place called Mr. Pibbs Gator Lounge in Boynton Beach just up the road from you. Do you know if it’s still there? Ever been?
Bobby's Belly
March 13th, 2009
7:13 pm
I’ve instructed everyone on my team that stealing first base is no longer permitted. Unless your OBP = AVG. Then I insist on it.
AdirondackDave
March 13th, 2009
7:18 pm
DiamondbackMac — Don’t know if Mr. Pibbs is still there. We’re in Boynton quite a bit but haven’t driven by it. I’ll check the phone book and let you know.
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 13th, 2009
7:26 pm
With all due respect. O’Brien, you my friend have had way too much F-N red bull today.
Few metal bands on planet earth can match Metallica when it comes to pure power, vocals and lyrical genius.
Mastodon= Brutal Ear Rape. Decent band but in no way do they compare to the original Gods of metal music. Sacrilege, my man, sacrilege.
It’s nice to see Tommy Hanson doing his thing. My recommendation is for all you lucky fans in Atlanta to bypass Turner Field, save some bucks and go watch the Gwinnett Braves play. besides, they are almost guaranteed to dominate. Unlike our Atlanta Braves.
AdirondackDave
March 13th, 2009
7:32 pm
DiamondbackMac — Sorry, Mr. Pibbs appears to be long gone. Not in the ‘06 book either.
Bobby's Belly
March 13th, 2009
7:37 pm
Josh Anderson can absolutely fly folks, man. Here’s some recent times TP and I clocked on him:
2.6 sec
2.5 sec
2.4 sec
2.3 sec
Homeplate to dugout. Faster in the later innings! Really beneficial in the “speed up the game” era.
BravesFanInRockies
March 13th, 2009
7:39 pm
Roach
I’m a Carolina alum and firmly believe that Wooden was the greatest college basketball coach of all time. Winning NCAA titles 10 out of 12 years will never be equaled.
But Coach K’s (and Bob Knight’s and Roy Williams’s) winning totals are impressive, but they don’t really compare to what Wooden, Dean and that old racist Adolph Rupp accomplished because they coached in an era when teams played 25-32 games a season, not 40 as is the case now.
It’s much easier piling up 800+ wins when you play 8 to 10 more games a season than your predecessors.
While I hate Dook I admire what Coach K does with his kids, because he hasn’t consistently recruited the talent that Roy, Jim Calhoun and Billy Donovan (to name a few) have signed in recent years.
ShamusThacker
March 13th, 2009
7:42 pm
Coach, you’re on acid. Evidently a 4-way hit… lol
Roach
March 13th, 2009
7:47 pm
Rockies,
Well Knight started coaching around the same time Dean Smith did. Typical Carolina fan to overlook that. But Coach K is just as good as Dean and better than Roy or Calhoun. Besides the greatest college basketball coach of all time might be Pat Summit. I dont like Tennessee but that woman could sure coach basketball.
David O'Brien
March 13th, 2009
7:55 pm
AdirondackDave, I forgot to mention Schafer’s terrific catch in the little note I did on him for the paper. It was probably the best catch of the spring by a Brave so far. Covered a ton of ground, Cox said he and others in dugout thought Schafer had no chance to get to it.
David O'Brien
March 13th, 2009
8:01 pm
Roach, I’ll agree with you, actually, on Coach K. The kind of coach you hate when he’s on the other team, but you’d love to have him coaching yours. He’s in the latter years of his career now, but he’s still great.
I’d take Knight in his prime over all of them. Having said that, I realize it’s hard to argue that anybody’s better than Wooden, in any sport, based on the overwhelming number of wins and championships his team produced.
But then, UCLA or no other team could ever have a dynasty even remotely similar in this day and age, or in the past 30 years. Game has changed entirely. There’s so much parity and so many great programs, no one team can dominate in recruiting like that anymore, or keep the bulk of its star players for as many as two or three years, and you have to win so many more games in the tourney now than you did back in the UCLA dynasty years.
Roach
March 13th, 2009
8:16 pm
John Wooden actually grew up about 15-20 miles from where I live. He was long gone to California when I was born but interesting to know he grew up around the same area I did.
flange1
March 13th, 2009
8:23 pm
Voice of Harold a much better song than 7 Chinese Brothers…..
flange1
March 13th, 2009
8:33 pm
Hard to argue with the Lou Reed trilogy either, There She Goes Again, Pale Blue Eyes, and Femme Fatale. Great covers from a great band……
The GM
March 13th, 2009
8:40 pm
I hope that Bobby will make an unemotional decision regarding who is on the 25 man roster and select the best 25 players to start the season. If that means leaving Glavine and G. Anderson off the team, then so be it. A team may not win a championship in May and June but they can sure lose one by believing these games don’t count as much as those palyed in August and September.
Bobby's Belly
March 13th, 2009
8:48 pm
GM – Think Bobby plays who FW gives him. Sure he seeks BC’s opinion, but I bet FW has final say.
toga party
March 13th, 2009
8:51 pm
“But if you’re a Braves fan, it’s certainly better to see this than the alternative. And perhaps the most important thing: the lack of major injuries.” – DOB
Well now you’ve done it. Better start a pool on who gets seriously injured tomorrow. I don’t know why you continue to doubt your influence on what happens with this team.
toga party
March 13th, 2009
8:55 pm
AdirondackDave, thanks for the updates and the perspective from today’s game. DOB’s the best, but it’s great to get another perspective.
Rest assured, you didn’t miss anything up here in NY today. 17 degrees this morning.
cvbraves
March 13th, 2009
8:58 pm
Braves Paisan: I can’t really provide you an update on James Parr, although I thought he did a pretty good job late last year and he has done very well this year in limited appearances. I think he’s right there with Charlie Morton and Jo Jo Reyes, probably at AAA Gwinnett this year. By the way, sounds like we’re about the same age. Most of the other folks on the blog are much more astute than me.
cvbraves
March 13th, 2009
9:03 pm
BravesFanInRockies: Didn’t have the good fortune to be a UNC alumnus, but I’ll forever believe Dean was/is the best ever.
Wayne in Utah
March 13th, 2009
9:09 pm
I hear what some of you are saying about sending a player down to start the season. My point is this, IF a player needs some additional seasoning, then yes, please send him down if you have a suitable (meaning a GOOD suitable) replacement.
IF a player dominates in the spring, is pitching/hitting against AAAA players going to make him better? You might answer, “It’s for his confidence.” Has anyone questioned Schafer and Hanson’s confidence levels? I don’t think so.
So, if your just sending them down because Josh Anderson is having an OK spring, or because you already have 4 decent starters, I am having none of that.
I just get tired of babying players sometimes, especially if they are ready and prove it in the spring.
Just sayin…….
AdirondackDave
March 13th, 2009
9:09 pm
DOB — Absolutely, I agree. Schafer’s catch was AJ at his best. Can’t wait until we see him playing everyday in CF. I think he has the same game-impact type of capability we’ve seen in McCann, maybe more so because of his stellar defense.
muffin
March 13th, 2009
9:27 pm
adirondackdave—–i agree with you on the schafer kid, it seems he has an impact on every game.
Fillies Feeling Frightfully Philharmonic
March 13th, 2009
9:46 pm
Good to hear Schafer and Hanson were good today, both are MLB ready…
Maybe your FO will mess up and trade them away for a rental, hopefully to us
Flukish Fillies Firstbaseman Frequently Flails
March 13th, 2009
9:57 pm
No thanks.
Kim
March 13th, 2009
10:01 pm
Dave – Thanks! Tommy really impresses me with his maturity and level head. And, his pitching ain’t too bad either!
Wayne in Utah
March 13th, 2009
10:08 pm
Is the blog working?
Wayne in Utah
March 13th, 2009
10:09 pm
I guess that answers that question…..
nolie
March 13th, 2009
10:13 pm
How exactly does one “wait” for a three-run homer? Steve Ohio
I always wondered that so I asked Bobby and he told me that he tells his hitters not to homer if there aren’t at least 2 men on base and if they do they are in his doghouse. See that was easy to find out
ShamusThacker
March 13th, 2009
10:16 pm
I know I waited on three-run homers from our outfielders last year. Pretty long wait most of the time…
Urban Braves Fan
March 13th, 2009
10:19 pm
It’s supa’ fine and all dat da damn Braves are some sprin’ trainin’ juggernaut and dat Francoeur gots’ta had dree supa’ fine days dis sprin’; but it really duzn’t mean much if anydin’. Fo’ cryin’ out loud, de Pirates are in second. Wid Francoeur, if dree years uh mediocre t’pure awfulness isn’t enough t’convince some sucka’s, ah’ doubt him bein’ bad-ass in sprin’ would. Personally ah’ dink de Braves gots’ta be good, Francoeur gonna continue t’be a huge OBP liability and Schafer will eventually snatch de damn center field job fum Anderson in-season; as Anderson walks less dan Francoeur.
Random
March 13th, 2009
10:22 pm
Jeff321: ”Well, I hope you got a good laugh.. because this will be our last engagement.”
How devastating – I’m crushed.
Listen, bud–
If you actually believe all the bile and bull you disgorge here, yer an fn moron.
Conversely (“OTOH”), yer just a petty and pitifully unfunny ahole.
So either way, yer little promise is win-win for me.
Thanks, buddy.
PTBNL
March 13th, 2009
10:31 pm
It might be wise in regard to all of the decisions yet to be made about the team, including Schafer and Hanson, to realize that for the most part, we on the blog, 1) have hardly seen any of them actually play, 2) are not privy to the full picture regarding anyone’s development and the goals set by the Brave’s for each one.
It might not be wise to make decisions on numbers or what has been seen without having more knowledge. To do so would be akin to trying to figure out the sum of 10 numbers when you only have 6 of the numbers.
I may be wrong, but I do not think the Braves’ FO is going to send anyone down just to send them down. Going to AAA is not just about playing against AAA level players. The Braves have developed these players and know where they want them to be when they come to the ML team. At AAA the development is more important than the games themselves. Last year they decided to go with Blanco because Bobby finally saw something in him that they had wanted to develop in him. I would not be surprised if the same would be true of Schafer. If they see him as having developed the things they want him to develop then he will most likely start in CF. However, personally, I would not mind him going to AAA if they feel that by doing so he could become a 5 star player whereas on the other hand they feel he would be a 3 star player without the developmental atmosphere and experience of the minors.
I like what I see in his abilities, but I also have some trust in the Braves FO, who knows all the missing numbers, to make a more informed decision than I could (without the missing numbers).
I have used Schafer as an example, but the same is true with all of these guys. It is nice to gush over what we see, but, again, it might be wise to not get ourselves worked up to be disappointed (or angry) because the Braves decide something different from the way we “feel”.
Random
March 13th, 2009
10:32 pm
I found Ken Williams’ platinum VISA card on the way home — maybe now we can afford Jermaine Dye.
nolie
March 13th, 2009
10:33 pm
FROM THE BILL JAMES Q & A POSTED EARLIER_BOY DOES THIS APPLY TO BASEBALL BOARDS
A: It is totally impossible to isolate the correct strategic choice in almost all real-life situations, for the simple reason that all real-life strategic situations involve dozens of variables, many of which have not been thoroughly tested by trial. People who think that they know when a manager should bunt and when a manager should pitch out and when a manager should make a pitching change are amateurs. People who have actually studied these issues know that the answer disappears in a cloud of untested variables.
ShamusThacker
March 13th, 2009
10:33 pm
Bobby is a dead ringer for a dear (and dead, Gawd bless his soul) old friend of mine. If the pitcher had beer on the mound and a grill fired-up when Bobby went for a visit, it would be like revisiting the past with my old friend…
James (Tunney) Moore was his name; he was an American original.
nolie
March 13th, 2009
10:36 pm
ANOTHER JAMES GEM-
Over time, every hitter will hit better when he has the platoon advantage than when he does not. There may be an exception, maybe two exceptions. You see a lot of reverse splits or backwards splits in one-year data — lefties hitting better against lefties, etc. Over time, at least 99 percent of hitters are going to hit better when they have the edge, and certainly the difference is significant.
Steve from OH
March 13th, 2009
10:36 pm
no crying in baseball:
Here is a small piece on Hanson’s mechanics.
Hope this helps.
And Couch Tater, I saw your link from the last blog, I’ll read it (probably tomorrow) when I get the chance.
PTBNL
March 13th, 2009
10:38 pm
Interesting quote, Nolie.
PTBNL
March 13th, 2009
10:40 pm
Steve, the link does not work on my computer.
ShamusThacker
March 13th, 2009
10:44 pm
I’m gonna have to brush up on rocket science to read summa these posts.
Robert(Chipper Is The Best)
March 13th, 2009
10:45 pm
The Braves are looking awfully good this spring but I’m having cautious optimism. So many intangibles have to be present for a team to be successful. As we all know far too well injuries can sink a team. If the Braves stay healthy they could be one of the best teams in baseball. The bullpen would by far be the best in the majors. But, the key is staying healthy.
I’ll say this. Tommy Hanson, Freddie Freeman, and Jason Hayward not only give me lots of hope for the future but they are putting severe pressure on certain current Braves. If I were Jeff Francoeur and Casey Kothcman I would feel lots of pressure to succeed this year because if they don’t I don’t think they will have starting jobs next year. And Tommy Hanson has to have Bobby Cox and Frank Wren gushing like school girls. I really think this kid could get 15 wins this year if he started.
The Braves present looks pretty good. Their future looks a helluva lot better. Just think this could be the Braves lineup in 2010: 1B Freddie Freeman; 2B Kelly Johnson; SS Yunel Escobar; 3B Chipper Jones; LF Jason Heyward; CF Jordan Schaffer; RF Jeff Francoeur; C Brian McCann
The rotation: Lowe, Jurrjens, Kenshin K, Vasquez and Hanson with Reyes, Morton, and Parr lurking.
Steve from OH
March 13th, 2009
10:49 pm
Ok, I’ll try again.
Propaganda Minister
March 13th, 2009
10:50 pm
I need over and unders for my Injury League:
(1)How many games does the Hooters Man play??
(2)How many innings pitched for the Billerica Union Organizer?
(3)How many games does the Madonna disappointer play??
Thanks in advance.
PTBNL
March 13th, 2009
10:53 pm
That worked, Steve.
ShamusThacker
March 13th, 2009
10:58 pm
Steve, may we assume you’re one of the AJC’s programmers? lol
PTBNL
March 13th, 2009
11:02 pm
Thanks, Steve. Good to see the slow mo.
Frank from KS
March 13th, 2009
11:07 pm
DOB re: @ your 5:53 pm post
Don’t forget Roy boy. Roy Williams, that is. :>)
Steve from OH
March 13th, 2009
11:08 pm
Shamus, not even close!
shane
March 13th, 2009
11:11 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_science
Brent Lillibridge
March 13th, 2009
11:14 pm
Does anyone remember me?
ShamusThacker
March 13th, 2009
11:17 pm
I abhor using bandwidth for this, but…
lol
Urban Braves Fan
March 13th, 2009
11:18 pm
I rememba’ ya’ Lillibridge. You’s wuz de Braves best high-level sho’tstop prospect goin’ into 2007 and kinda melted waaay down and look now likes some utility player.
Mrs. Lillibridge
March 13th, 2009
11:23 pm
Sorry, doesn’t ring a bell.
Lillibridge To Nowhere
March 13th, 2009
11:26 pm
Please tell us how AAA is in Chicago compared to ATL after a few years.
ShamusThacker
March 13th, 2009
11:28 pm
Brent Lillibridge? Yessssssss, I think my sister’s mentioned you. Weren’t you a Stewart Ave. transvestite-gigolo, for a while, years back?
My brain cell rock in high gear sometimes.
Bobby's Belly
March 13th, 2009
11:31 pm
FL BMV has warrant out for Josh Anderson. Speeding. That boy is fast!
Todd Van Poppel
March 13th, 2009
11:32 pm
You guys really should have taken me over that cad Chipper Jones. He is always hurt.
I’ll be back in a few minutes, the timer beeped on the flame broiler here at the Burger King I work at.
ShamusThacker
March 13th, 2009
11:34 pm
funny stuff TVP
David O'Brien
March 13th, 2009
11:35 pm
Flange1, you got me thinking with that Femme Fatale reference…. Whether it’s spelled Nico or Neko, it’s going to be a gorgeous woman with a distinct voice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NziBR8I4c48
ShamusThacker
March 13th, 2009
11:36 pm
I thank we all been in the shrub stash with zippos.
ShamusThacker
March 13th, 2009
11:38 pm
Sounds like Agnes Moorehead.
David O'Brien
March 13th, 2009
11:38 pm
Unbelievable — Syracuse is in overtime again tonight, with West Virginia.
ShamusThacker
March 13th, 2009
11:42 pm
You know you’re getting old when scenes of Agnes Moorehead (deceast of old age btw) take on an all new glow…