12:40 pm March 12, 2009, by David O'Brien
March 12th, 200910:17 pm
KC (9:26 pm): “I don’t KNOW this to be true… but I would guess that teams that have overwhelmingly good springs probably go on – more often than not – to have good seasons.”
“There you go again,” Reagan shakes his head, looks down, looks up, rolls his eyes, levels his steely gaze.
“Wishin’ instead of thinkin’. Or readin’. Or lookin’ stuff up.”
March 12th, 200910:40 pm
I’m perfectly calm. And Jason Perry fits the definition of replacement level perfectly. Replacement Level = freely available talent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_over_replacement_player
March 12th, 200910:41 pm
While the Gino Odjick shot (with the unheralded Karl Dykhuis) is inspired, nothing beats the image of the toothless icon of Flin Flon, Manitoba, Bobby Clarke, grinning with his hands on the Stanley Cup.
March 12th, 200910:56 pm
Here is an ESPN article that reviews the link between good ST and regular season performance.
Interesting that there does seem to be some correlation, especially on the bad ST’s (with the exception of the Braves!)
March 12th, 200910:57 pm
Great Song DOB….have you heard the Lizzy Long version? http://www.lizzylong.com and check it out.
March 12th, 200911:01 pm
DWW, I was surprised no one else pointed it out that as a general rule the SS needs to have the strongest arm in the infield.
March 12th, 200911:08 pm
northbeach Scott: Thanks for the firsthand verification. Wish I’d been up there to see that.
Heyward hit one in batting practice, by the way, that was the longest homer (and I hate calling batting-practice longballs “homers” because they’re not, but what else to call them?) that I’ve seen hit there since Wily Mo Pena’s LINE DRIVE off the clock atop the left-field scoreboard in B.P. a year ago.
March 12th, 200911:09 pm
by the way, northbeach Scott: Was that you that said hello during batting practice? Someone was getting autographs and said hello to me, said they read the blog, just wondering if that was you.
March 12th, 200911:15 pm
Nice article Steve McP.
March 12th, 200911:19 pm
Reid Gorecki & Brandon Jones are more wonderful outfielder than Jordan Shafer(he failed at AA and don’t know AAA at all) Gregor Blanco(he was worst in Major outfielders) you got it?
March 12th, 200911:22 pm
Doug, that’s a pretty good cover.
And a good opportunity, long as we’re talking Waylon and women, to link this clip of Hoss with his beautiful wife Jessi Colter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khEAuU5ShXs&feature=related
March 12th, 200911:29 pm
DOB, about the prettiest I’ve ever seen Jessi Colter when she’s playing keys for Waylon Johnny Cash Show DVD. Definitely a woman that can cast a spell.
March 12th, 200911:31 pm
Sometimes I skip words sentences, it makes look smart.
Bubdylan, that ain’t no sh … uh, joke. That ain’t no joke. The woman’s amazing.
March 12th, 200911:35 pm
That beard really changed Waylon’s image.
March 12th, 200911:41 pm
Interesting that there does seem to be some correlation, especially on the bad ST’s (with the exception of the Braves!) — McP
Thanx Steve. Interesting reading but the sample size -a few years compared to over a hundred years- makes it pretty iffy. and a correlation of .15 in that small a sample is pretty meaningless but gives some indication that guys like Scoots and nolie and such are pretty much right-it makes just about no difference one way or the other and shows why teams do not put much emphasis on spring games
Run Heap Run
March 12th, 200911:49 pm
Wow I haven’t thought about Waylon and Jesse and Hee Haw since I was a little girl and my grandparents would watch that show when I spent the night with them. Well I guessed they watched it all the time but the only time I saw it was when I was at their house…my parents were more the hippie type who thought they were way too cool for Hee Haw and the like. Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.
March 12th, 200911:52 pm
Waylon and Jessi were both great on the concept album White Mansions.
March 13th, 200912:02 am
Not saying it makes a difference, the stats are there and there does seem to be some correlation in terms of the poorer performing teams, but not so much the best performers. I do though think that winning is a good habit and the Braves are entering the season in good shape on the back (so far) of one of the best ST’s in recent times. It has to be good for the early games to go in feeling good about the team and it is good that the players expect to win.
March 13th, 200912:12 am
I took from it that there’s so much statistical “noise” that we can’t really conclude anything. Doing something like comparing a team’s combined 10-year spring training record and their combined 10-year regular season record would probably correlate better. All I know is it certainly can’t hurt to play well in the spring.
March 13th, 200912:16 am
the count says how about the fact that the golden boy has ZERO extra base hits?
the count says there has never been a player that has got so much rope.
count says, quit comparing him to ANDRUW.
that is a insult to ANDRUW.
yeah walks are great, if you can run.
sorry KC UNTIL he hits like a real RF all bets are off.
if brandon jones got the same amount of at bats last year, who would of been better?
DOB i think it’d be a great idea for the braves to use the RED alternates as home alternates in general. I like them on Sundays and i think they’d look nice at some night games too!!
March 13th, 200912:18 am
anyone watching the cuse and uconn?
March 13th, 200912:23 am
breaking bad might be the best thing going on.
no idea how that will end.
hey, i liked the shield. breaking bad might not be on that level, but it is a pretty good watch.
March 13th, 200912:26 am
NEWS OUT OF HOUSTON ASTROS SPRING CAMP: Mike Hampton needs Tommy John Surgery
March 13th, 200912:29 am
yeah count…go cuse!!
March 13th, 200912:32 am
Speaking of the Astros, check out this projected rotation from The Sporting News:
1. RHP Roy Oswalt. Highest ERA (3.54) of his career in ’08, but went 9-2 with 1.96 ERA in final two months.
2. LHP Mike Hampton. His 13 appearances (4.85 ERA) last season were his first since 2005.
3. LHP Wandy Rodriguez. His 3.54 ERA in ’08 was career-best by more than a run.
4. RHP Brian Moehler. Most contenders’ rotations don’t feature a 37-year-old with 4.73 career ERA.
5. RHP Brandon Backe. His 6.05 ERA, 36 HRs allowed were worst among N.L. starters.
(Gonna be a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng season in Houston.)
March 13th, 200912:41 am
Love the Gino Odjick pic. I also like the name “Dykhuis” appearing in there.
Wait a minute…Dykhuis…
Wasn’t that a Commodores song?
March 13th, 200912:43 am
anyone else watching this classic?
March 13th, 200912:48 am
This UConn vs. Syracuse game is awesome. 5 OT’s???? Wow. Epic classic.
March 13th, 200912:49 am
yes…..5 OTs? crazy
March 13th, 200912:50 am
That would’ve really sucked if they fouled and it ended on a FT
March 13th, 200912:53 am
the count says, francoeur gets special treatment.
count wonders if brandon jones got the same amount of plate appearances,
count thinks, francoeur owes the braves.
brandon jones is not a gwinett county all star.
the count has never seen a more polarizing player.
March 13th, 200912:55 am
All of the scrubs are coming in. So many foul outs.
March 13th, 200912:56 am
what a game, anyone else watching.
March 13th, 200912:57 am
Yes we are uga
March 13th, 20091:03 am
Who’s winning the match?
5 OT’s is ridiculous. Why not have a penalty shot shoot out after the second OT – I bet the TV will support that for both excitement and there schedules
dinner at capital grille tonight. hung out with a couple of unc fans.
we made it through the dark times, (super bowl till the tourneys)
game on now boys. tourney, baseball, and eventually college football.
nothing worse then the run between the superbowl and march 10th or so.
March 13th, 20091:04 am
No way they’re going to 6 OT…..
March 13th, 20091:05 am
Sonny in Mechville too
unreal…what a game!
6 ot’s never happenened before
March 13th, 20091:06 am
Yes it has. They just said so.
March 13th, 20091:07 am
March 13th, 20091:08 am
The longest game was a 7 OT game. Cinci vs. Bradley in 1981
March 13th, 20091:10 am
Think this one will be on ESPN Classic tomorrow?
Go to a shoot out from the free throw line – end this thing!
i thought pitt my be tough?
over now the cuse have them.
March 13th, 20091:12 am
Too bad this game has to end with so many scrubs in. It’s getting ugly.
Although, half the guys can barely walk anymore…
March 13th, 20091:13 am
Yeah. Great game, but they’ve got nothing left. Thomas for Cuse has played 21 minutes all year…only 71 in his career. And he’s been playing for two OTs now.
March 13th, 20091:21 am
who are anyones top four seeds?
uconn, unc, rick pittino , and pitt.
how about gillispie ruining kentucky’s legacy, much like richrod did to michigans legay
March 13th, 20091:24 am
Not saying it makes a difference, Mcp
I didn’t say that you did, just posting some thoughts in reference to previous comments from others concerning spring training vs regular season.. If nothing else it’s much more fun to be 10-2 than 2-10.
Frenchy has one…one home run. Ah, ah, ahhhhh…………
March 13th, 20091:25 am
Johnny Flynn played 67 out of 70 minutes tonight.
March 13th, 20091:31 am
Jonny Flynn. The man deserves to have his name typed correctly after that performance.
March 13th, 20091:32 am
UNC, Pitt, Michigan State, Oklahoma.
March 13th, 20091:58 am
i am the biggest critic of our rightfielder.
i really believe he will have a decent season.
that being said, i sure wish he would keep his mouth away from the media.
never seen a player that loves the quote like him.
the dude has zero extra’s.
note: has there ever been a player on the braves that has gotten this extra treatment?
laroche hit .280 30 ish and got traded.
but then again roche’y was not local.
gurantee the french will never hit 30 for the braves.
though he will probably make excuses.
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
March 13th, 20092:05 am
The Braves don’t seem to have a back up plan if Francoeur falls on his face this year. That is worrisome. Our Bravos have the best record in Grape fruit league play, so enjoy this while it lasts.
March 13th, 20092:11 am
How is there no backup plan? We have about 50 outfielders. Diaz, Anderson, Ganderson, Jones, Schafer, Blanco, etc etc
March 13th, 20092:12 am
Plenty of them are available on the trade market too.
March 13th, 20092:17 am
i agree. they will trot him out there until the end. your RF SHOULD be a power hitter.
he aint ever gonna be a slap hitter that steals bases.
one or the other? right.
either be a gap to gap power hitter, or be somebody that can run.
he at this point can do neither.
he is the X factor on this team.
he really has to hit for power to make this lineup work.
March 13th, 20092:47 am
Lord, I miss Waylon. Thanks, DOB, for remembering one of the true greats of CW music. BTW, I might have “Dreaming My Dreams” ahead of “Honky Tonk Heroes” on purely sentimental grounds. Great column today.
March 13th, 20094:26 am
And another thing. I’m not buying the story coming from Bobby Cox that the center field job is wide open. The CF job is Josh Anderson’s to lose. Unless he has a really bad spring, Schafer and Blanco are headed back to the minors. As David O’Brien has already alluded to, Josh Anderson is out of options and the Braves don’t want to risk exposing the speedy outfielder to waivers.
Jeff Bennett’s 14.54 ERA looks rough. Buy hey, it’s only four innings of work. He should be ok.
Anybody want to wager on whether Chipper or Garret Anderson will be spending more time on the DL this year?
March 13th, 20096:35 am
That Syracuse-UConn game might have been the most amazing sporting event I’ve seen in a while. I fell asleep during the first overtime, after they had overruled the would-be game-winning 3 (correctly, I might add) at end of regulation.
Woke up hours later, or at least I think it was hours later, and was confused by the fact the game was in the fourth overtime. I think I actually woke while the replay of the entire game was being shown. Anyway, I watched the rest of the fourth OT and then the fifth and sixth OTs, in a quasi-sleep state where my brain was still trying to figure out, is this live or is it the middle of the night?
Anyway, can you imagine Syracuse trying to play again tonight? Wow.
March 13th, 20096:42 am
All this love for the glove of Brandon Hicks flies in the face of what I personally have seen of him, but, certainly Bobby and the Braves have seen him more than I. Guess I’ll defer to the better evaluators, LOL. His bat’s got the thunder, no doubt, but not quite enough lightning to go along with it. Not that it much matters. I’m guessing there is a stud 3B prospect available from somewhere in a trade for prospect pitching, when the time comes.
gurantee the french will never hit 30 for the braves
uga, if you’re right, it’s going to be a long season short on contention, especially if it’s the Anderson Twins along side of him. He has to thump, and not just a little bit. The pitching may be good and deep, but it isn’t dominant, and I think the Braves will need an 800-run season to create enough differential in this division. So there aren’t any ifs, ands, or buts for Francoeur.
March 13th, 20097:15 am
Paulie, there’s not a bad song on that album. Or on most of his albums, for that matter. Great artist….
Coach, I don’t disagree on the CF job. But gotta write what they’re saying. I think you can tell from how I wrote it that plenty of people believe, as you do, that it’s Josh’s job to lose. But you just never know. Things happens. Still, if I had to predict, at this stage I’d still say it’s going to be Anderson’s job. But we’ve still got 3-1/2 weeks until opening day….
Bank Walker, Texas Ranger
March 13th, 20097:16 am
DOB, when did sort of open become wide open (Cox: Centerfield job wide open)?
March 13th, 20097:27 am
Check out the Braves blog at http://braves.gearupforsports.com/blog/
March 13th, 20098:10 am
I know these games don’t count, but is anyone else surprised by the amount of runs they are putting up so far with thier lack of power? Plus it seems that our utility players are hitting quite well.
March 13th, 20098:36 am
That Syracuse Uconn game last night was the best college basketball game I’ve seen in over 10 years. The only game I remember that was in its class was the Duke vs NC game in 1995 when Duke wasn’t very good and NC had Rasheed Wallace and Stackhouse and wound up winning in 2OT. I just remember Jeff Caple of Duke making a half court shot to send the game into double overtime and the crowd exploding. What an atmosphere. The game last night was all about resilience. Syracuse just never gave up and outlasted Uconn. Great game.
March 13th, 20098:45 am
Paulie and DOB,
That live version of ” Bob Wills is Still the King” off of Dreaming My Dreams…..holy smokes. Many, many budweisers met their demise with that song setting the scene in my wilder days.
I’ve been listening to his Music Man album all week. Especially love his version of “He Went to Paris.”
March 13th, 20098:50 am
Don’t plug your Braves blog on here, PJ. Kthxbai.
March 13th, 20099:18 am
Josh Anderson will lead the Braves to 1st place in the NL EAST. Looking forward to this season!Go Braves!
March 13th, 20099:22 am
Nice call on the Waylon DOB — arguably the greatest country album ever. Definitely the one that put Waylon on the map. Check out Victory by Billy Joe Shaver if you don’t own it (but you probably do)
March 13th, 20099:35 am
Runs are the key indicator for offense, not home runs. A run scored via walk, sacrifice and single is one hit, one run. A solo home run is one run. I know …simplistic but the truth. I can recall the Dodgers of the 60’s scoring tons of runs without a bunch of home runs. I think a 1B by name of Wes Parker drove in about 100 with around 10 home runs. If the Braves can put runs of the scoreboard without a 30 home run guy, it is ok with me.
March 13th, 20099:37 am
Question: how difficult is it for a center fielder to learn playing the corner outfield positions? The reason I am asking is because what if Francoeur does not produce this year and Schafer is doing well in the minors, would it make sense to put Schafer in right field (assuming that Anderson will get the center field job)? What about Gorkys Hernandez? Would it make sense to put him in left field in a year or two? Just wondering… Thanks for any feedback! And: Spring has finally arrived in Zurich, Switzerland. Got a whopping 50 degrees today! I guess that does not compare to Orlando, Florida… However, there is a good chance I will get to see the Braves’ game against the Yankees on March 28. I sure could use some sun!!
Andre "Pulpwood" Smith
March 13th, 20099:48 am
Man, I just got around to watching that Waylon and Jessi video. Nice looking woman back then, but that has to be the worst job of lip synching ever.
March 13th, 20099:59 am
IMO (deffensively) a center fielder would have no problem playing the corner outfield spots the difficulty would be a corner outfielder moving to center. Generally a center fielder can play any of the outfield position; you would like to have your strongest arm in right, but a good center fielder will also have a good arm. Schafer has the tools to play any outfield spot, but you would normally want more power than he has for a right fielder.
Coldwork….yeah it was a great game caught the highlights. NC State over Maryland ACC final in 1974, double OT 104-103, when only the winner went to The Dance. Voted by many as the greatest college game ever played. Oh yeah, no shot clock, no dunking, and no 3-pointer, no kidding. Straight up. David Thompson in his prime. Kinda makes the UConn/Cuse game last night look a little pale. Still though a good game.
Congrats to my Jackets!! They could have folded long long ago. Speaks volumes for Hewitt. When the NCAA and NBA quit allowing players to bolt after a year the college game will become much better. Why they don’t do what baseball and football do is beyond me. With Crittenton and Young on board Tech would have been going to teh NCAA tourney I have no doubt.
I feel sorry for Hewitt actually. He has to play the one-and-done game with the blue chip prospects as he doesn’t get the number of top players that UNC/Duke/Kansas get every year. I am not blaming the players for going. I’m blaming the system. College basketball could be so much better a sport. Making a player stay through his junior year would also allow the NBA to become a stronger sport as it would make the players more recognizable having seen them for 3 years in college. Just saying….
Rock on….Paul Hewitt is a great coach and recruiter
March 13th, 200910:04 am
Guy stopped by a bar last night in South Ga. with his guitar. The guy was good really good. Found out later he was a member of the band Memory Dean from Athens. Moon light out on a deck with my favorite lady a few friends, this guy singing and playing, What a night.
March 13th, 200910:05 am
DWW – thanks for the opinion. I was just wondering since the Braves seem to have three really good centerfield prospects and it would be fun to see all of them play for the Braves at some point. Of course, I understand that one or more of them could be used in trades.
Also, if Francoeur cannot find his swing, then the Braves might as well give Schafer playing time in right field. Just my opinion.
I wasn’t watching basketball last night, but it does sound like you all enjoyed quite a show. I watched ER, and it was awesome last night. It was a treat for us longtime fans of the show to bring back Drs. Ross and Benton and Nurse Hathaway.
March 13th, 200910:11 am
“But you just never know. Things happens.” – DOB
I’d says that just about sums it ups. Especially when talking about the Braves.
Worrying about position battles, before we even know which one of them will get injured this spring, just seems pointless.
March 13th, 200910:13 am
Runs are the key indicator for offense, not home runs
Oh, I don’t disagree with you there, at all. It’s just that big flies are more efficient at producing runs. Teams score any runs at all in so few innings that it’s imperative that they maximize scoring in the innings in which they do score, and stringing together multiple hits over three outs is more difficult than hitting a single pitch out. That’s all I was pointing to.
I do have to disagree with you about the 60s Dodgers, though, or at least on the definition of “tons of runs”, LOL. Those guys relied on pitching to create differential. They scored more than 800 runs once in the decade (Tommy Davis’s big year), under 700 every other year. But they had Koufax, Drysdale, Osteen, Sutton, etc., and a high mound. Nobody’s BA got well against those guys!
Who says they need a stud third baseman in the system to replace Chipper? We’ve been lucky the last two decades or so, but will likely have to suffer through years of serviceable third baseman after Chipper retires. Just as Chipper, Andruw and Javy allowed the Braves to take mediocre shortcuts at critical corner slots like first and left, it could be that Heyward, Schafer, McCann, KJ and Escobar allow the Braves to take serviceable shortcuts at positions like third. The next third baseman likely ain’t in the system right now. Third base will likely become the new first base/left field “just throw any dime a dozen dweeb out there” position for the decade after Chipper retires. Eddie Mathews and Chipper Jones broke in almost fifty years apart. We’ll likely never have another third baseman like either one of them until 2050 or so. So don’t fret over whether they’ll find the next Chipper or Eddie because that ain’t happening for another half century. And don’t fret over whether they’ll find the next Joe Crede ’cause everywhere you turn there are a million Joe Credes just like Joe Crede.
March 13th, 200910:14 am
Actually hit DOB link to Colter/Waylon because I couldn’t remember what she looked like. Good song but that 60/70’s hairstyle was doing Jesse no favors in addition to the song being out of synch. She’s cute but she is no Rosanne Cash with either looks or voice. Just my opinion.
Rock on…….only two things in life that make it worth livin…oh, you know the rest.
March 13th, 200910:17 am
scoots another great things about homeruns is that it can turn a game around real quick. if youve got tons of homerun power, you are almost always in a game. it makes coming from behind much easier and more probable.
if youve got no one that hits homers and a good pitcher on the mound, you know he (or the defense) will have to make several mistakes for you to score. if you have some boppers, one mistake is all it takes.
March 13th, 200910:20 am
I’m very excited about our outfield and pitching situations, because (and this doesnt happen very often) when someone does go down with an injury you get to see someone you wanted to see play anyways. This will be the antithesis of last year; instead of saying “here we go again” we might be saying “ok now lets see what one of these young guys can do”. I think this will mean much less stress and more enjoyment for braves fans this year.
March 13th, 200910:24 am
Couldn’t disagree with you more. Bob Horner was ROY at third and was lights out the best hitter on the Braves in the 80’s (and probably the league), besides Murphy, and who knows what he could have done if not for his injuries (which forced him to retire at 31)…and a little known third baseman named Terry Pendelton was a serviceable 3B, oh heck, who won the MVP in 91′. Why would we want to settle on a “dweeb” as you call them?
March 13th, 200910:25 am
Josh Anderson just stole first.
March 13th, 200910:28 am
DAP – good point, however a couple of doubles in a row can accomplish the same thing, and while the Braves don’t have the home run potential, they can certainly generate a bunch of extra base hits.
March 13th, 200910:33 am
DWW – kind of a win-win for us Braves fans!
Martin Prado just got thrown out at first….from right field
March 13th, 200910:35 am
Here are Josh Anderson’s minor league stats the last 6 seasons. Look close. What # alarms you the most? See Answer Below.
TRI NYPL 20 Hou A- of 74 297 44 85 11 4 3 30 26 9 16 53 10 2 2 4 2 .286 .339 .380 719
2004 LEX SAL 21 Hou A of 73 299 69 97 12 3 4 31 47 9 33 47 7 1 2 2 0 .324 .402 .425 827
SAL Caro 21 Hou A+ of 66 280 45 75 13 6 2 21 31 4 13 53 6 1 7 0 3 .268 .314 .379 693
2005 COR Tex 22 Hou AA of 127 524 67 148 17 9 1 26 50 19 29 80 8 2 10 2 5 .282 .329 .355 684
2006 COR Tex 23 Hou AA – of 130 560 83 173 25 4 3 50 43 13 27 73 10 0 8 4 9 .309 .349 .384 733
2007 ROU PCL 24 Hou AAA of 132 513 64 140 17 6 2 43 40 8 32 75 8 2 10 1 11 .273 .325 .341 666
2008 RIC IL 25 Atl AAA – of 121 494 77 155 25 4 4 40 42 7 30 57 6 3 8 3 9 .314 .358 .405 763
6!!!!!!!!! 6 Minor League Seasons
March 13th, 200910:37 am
My response to PJ’s Smoltz article:
“This is an internally inconsistent revision of history, replete with a false chronology implying invalid causations.
“You should be ashamed.”
March 13th, 200910:41 am
I’m Home from The Classic(San Juan) and i like to make a couple coment about the WBC, i know a few of you don’t like the set up of the classic, wrong Time, player can be hurt…But this was my first experiance in any international event, and was awasome…i make a few friends from other country(Panama,Dominican Republic) and we promise to keep in contact thru email and phone.
I recomend to any Sport Fan ,if you have the Opportunity to attend any of this event to do it. I think the WBC is great for Baseball.
Pendleton got hot and had a career year or two but, generally, was about as average as an average baseball player could be. You can find some serviceable stopgap like Terry on the street any old time. You can’t count on him playing out of his mind for a year or two like Terry did, but serviceable stopgaps like Terry are a dime a dozen in this game. And because Horner only played 100 games a season on average in his career, he was also just average in the value he gave to a team. + Offense for 100 games with replacement level offense for the other 60 games a season made Horner nothing more than average at best.
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