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		<title>By: dogsbrekky</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/06/chipper-jones-willing-to-be-patient/comment-page-11/#comment-28017</link>
		<dc:creator>dogsbrekky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Davy Johnson, great coaching, have Jeter at short with no range when you have Rollins available</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davy Johnson, great coaching, have Jeter at short with no range when you have Rollins available</p>
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		<title>By: chipper j</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/06/chipper-jones-willing-to-be-patient/comment-page-11/#comment-22273</link>
		<dc:creator>chipper j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget you guys., I expect to be paid for a full season despite the fact that I only play about a little more than 50% of the time.

I&#039;m a wuss, but I deserve the money!

OOOie, I just hurt myself again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget you guys., I expect to be paid for a full season despite the fact that I only play about a little more than 50% of the time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a wuss, but I deserve the money!</p>
<p>OOOie, I just hurt myself again</p>
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		<title>By: PTBNL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/06/chipper-jones-willing-to-be-patient/comment-page-11/#comment-21320</link>
		<dc:creator>PTBNL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lew, I just want to say that I do respect your posts.  But sometimes you are more dogmatic than others and I cringe at those times because usually you are one that points out dogma.  Recently you said something to the effect that &quot;the Braves will NOT get G. Anderson&quot;.  I cringed at that statement, but I said nothing.  I give you credit for calling attention to your own mistake after the deal was done. 

As I said, I read your statements about the present state of the prospects involved in that deal as being more dogmatic than even you like for others to be at times.  Your last post had more dogma regarding the Peavy trade, but in regard to your original post it was less dogmatic.  Interestingly, you asked me for guarantees about things if the trade had not taken place.  But essentially that was my point about your original post.  It sounded like you were &quot;guaranteeing&quot; that it was not a bad trade because of how you presently see the prospects that were involved in the trade.  It is just a matter of how your post was perceived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lew, I just want to say that I do respect your posts.  But sometimes you are more dogmatic than others and I cringe at those times because usually you are one that points out dogma.  Recently you said something to the effect that &#8220;the Braves will NOT get G. Anderson&#8221;.  I cringed at that statement, but I said nothing.  I give you credit for calling attention to your own mistake after the deal was done. </p>
<p>As I said, I read your statements about the present state of the prospects involved in that deal as being more dogmatic than even you like for others to be at times.  Your last post had more dogma regarding the Peavy trade, but in regard to your original post it was less dogmatic.  Interestingly, you asked me for guarantees about things if the trade had not taken place.  But essentially that was my point about your original post.  It sounded like you were &#8220;guaranteeing&#8221; that it was not a bad trade because of how you presently see the prospects that were involved in the trade.  It is just a matter of how your post was perceived.</p>
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		<title>By: PTBNL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/06/chipper-jones-willing-to-be-patient/comment-page-11/#comment-21280</link>
		<dc:creator>PTBNL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lew, I actually agree with most of what you are saying.  However, that is based on hindsight.  Yet even still it is too early to even base anything on hindsight.  Andrus may end up being as good as others have expected him to be.  Salty may break out this year.  Felix... well, surely you know it is too soon to tell about him in any regard.... good or bad.

But your point about Peavy is where I can&#039;t speak with such dogma as you do.  The truth is, we don&#039;t know how it would have affected Peavy&#039;s view on coming to the Braves if we had had those prospects still in the barn.  He supposedly raised questions about the quality of the team if Yunel was included.  Would that have been a problem if it looked like we had a promising SS to replace him?  I don&#039;t know.  Neither do you.  That is my point.  We really don&#039;t &quot;know&quot; how this deal stacks up.  Or... possibly we could have had Andrus in the deal instead of Yunel, along with one of the other prospects involved in the Tex trade -- which would have been available if we had gone for a &quot;lesser&quot; 1st baseman.  Even then, (yes, I am arguing both sides),   I don&#039;t know that we won&#039;t be glad that we did not get Peavy.  I was all for the trade, but it may have been a bad idea.  I especially felt that it was a bad idea if we got the Peavy that seemed to be exposed throughout the offseason.  I certainly would not have wanted him at the cost of Hanson, though I am well aware that Hanson is not a sure thing.

So what I am saying is that we may have come out worse by getting Peavy (because we did not make the Tex deal) than we did by making the Tex deal.  Be aware that I am aware that all of this is speculation.  I am just saying these things to say that such possibilities make it very hard to &quot;judge&quot; the Tex trade good or bad.

As  I said, personally, I would have liked (at the time) to have gotten a lesser 1st baseman for much less in prospects.  And I feel that according to what we thought we had (in the prospects traded at the time) we gave too much for 11/2 yrs of Tex.  (Which turned out to be 1 yr for him,  but also getting the kind of 1st baseman that I would have rather had to begin with, plus a promising pitcher.)  Can I say for sure that the Braves should have done differently.  No.  

So I guess what I am saying is that I am shortsighted also.  We just don&#039;t &quot;know&quot;, even with hindsight, the impact of that trade.  That is all I am saying when I use the word shortsighted.  It just seemed to me that you were being dogmatic about how it has turned out.  The dogma is what I was referring to as shortsighted.  Because, as I was trynig to point out after your post, there could have been different possible outcomes if the trade had not been made.  In actuality, the outcomes could have either been better or worse.  As I repeatedly said, we really don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lew, I actually agree with most of what you are saying.  However, that is based on hindsight.  Yet even still it is too early to even base anything on hindsight.  Andrus may end up being as good as others have expected him to be.  Salty may break out this year.  Felix&#8230; well, surely you know it is too soon to tell about him in any regard&#8230;. good or bad.</p>
<p>But your point about Peavy is where I can&#8217;t speak with such dogma as you do.  The truth is, we don&#8217;t know how it would have affected Peavy&#8217;s view on coming to the Braves if we had had those prospects still in the barn.  He supposedly raised questions about the quality of the team if Yunel was included.  Would that have been a problem if it looked like we had a promising SS to replace him?  I don&#8217;t know.  Neither do you.  That is my point.  We really don&#8217;t &#8220;know&#8221; how this deal stacks up.  Or&#8230; possibly we could have had Andrus in the deal instead of Yunel, along with one of the other prospects involved in the Tex trade &#8212; which would have been available if we had gone for a &#8220;lesser&#8221; 1st baseman.  Even then, (yes, I am arguing both sides),   I don&#8217;t know that we won&#8217;t be glad that we did not get Peavy.  I was all for the trade, but it may have been a bad idea.  I especially felt that it was a bad idea if we got the Peavy that seemed to be exposed throughout the offseason.  I certainly would not have wanted him at the cost of Hanson, though I am well aware that Hanson is not a sure thing.</p>
<p>So what I am saying is that we may have come out worse by getting Peavy (because we did not make the Tex deal) than we did by making the Tex deal.  Be aware that I am aware that all of this is speculation.  I am just saying these things to say that such possibilities make it very hard to &#8220;judge&#8221; the Tex trade good or bad.</p>
<p>As  I said, personally, I would have liked (at the time) to have gotten a lesser 1st baseman for much less in prospects.  And I feel that according to what we thought we had (in the prospects traded at the time) we gave too much for 11/2 yrs of Tex.  (Which turned out to be 1 yr for him,  but also getting the kind of 1st baseman that I would have rather had to begin with, plus a promising pitcher.)  Can I say for sure that the Braves should have done differently.  No.  </p>
<p>So I guess what I am saying is that I am shortsighted also.  We just don&#8217;t &#8220;know&#8221;, even with hindsight, the impact of that trade.  That is all I am saying when I use the word shortsighted.  It just seemed to me that you were being dogmatic about how it has turned out.  The dogma is what I was referring to as shortsighted.  Because, as I was trynig to point out after your post, there could have been different possible outcomes if the trade had not been made.  In actuality, the outcomes could have either been better or worse.  As I repeatedly said, we really don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/06/chipper-jones-willing-to-be-patient/comment-page-11/#comment-21233</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I&#039;m thinking Adirondack, maybe the fact that he is on the team is just a coincidence. Maybe Jeter can help whomever the team decides to invite. Maybe, in fact, it is actually Jeter&#039;s RBI.

Anyway, I heard 680 the Fan talking about !st Take on ESPN2 the other day and they were talking about them having a NY Post writer on and all he spoke of the whole 5 mins was Wright and Jeter. Maybe there&#039;s more to baseball outside of New York. I like to think myself that the RBI by McCann was more of his talent and knowledge of the game than Jeter&#039;s. 

But then again they didn&#039;t attribute the home run to Jeter&#039;s teaching either. Maybe they learned themselves that baseball exists outide of NY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m thinking Adirondack, maybe the fact that he is on the team is just a coincidence. Maybe Jeter can help whomever the team decides to invite. Maybe, in fact, it is actually Jeter&#8217;s RBI.</p>
<p>Anyway, I heard 680 the Fan talking about !st Take on ESPN2 the other day and they were talking about them having a NY Post writer on and all he spoke of the whole 5 mins was Wright and Jeter. Maybe there&#8217;s more to baseball outside of New York. I like to think myself that the RBI by McCann was more of his talent and knowledge of the game than Jeter&#8217;s. </p>
<p>But then again they didn&#8217;t attribute the home run to Jeter&#8217;s teaching either. Maybe they learned themselves that baseball exists outide of NY.</p>
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		<title>By: jba</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/06/chipper-jones-willing-to-be-patient/comment-page-11/#comment-21198</link>
		<dc:creator>jba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Braves Won 3 to 1</description>
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		<title>By: Lew</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/06/chipper-jones-willing-to-be-patient/comment-page-11/#comment-21184</link>
		<dc:creator>Lew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PTBNL-I still don&#039;t see why you claim that I&#039;m shortsighted. What guarantee do you have that any of those particular players would have even been available this winter had they not been traded for Tex (which seems to be your major disagreement with what I&#039;ve said)? As was earlier mentioned by another Denizen, some of them would have already been traded for a better option at first base. Others might have been used as bait for temporary fillers with all the injuries we experienced.

All I&#039;m saying is that none of the players involved in the trade to Texas have shown anything that would lead me to believe anyone would have graced our figurative palms with anything more than what we got in return-1 1/2 potential years of Tex-which we turned into Kotchman and Marek. Experiment didn&#039;t work. Oh well. More players just like them where they came from.  

To say that one of them would have been the missing piece in a Peavy acquisition is at best a moot point -Peavy didn&#039;t want to come here to begin with.  Besides-we could have  given them Hanson if we really wanted to convince Towers. Not too sure it would have convinced Peavy.

This is hardly destined to go down in the annals of trade history as a Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio, or Rick Wise for Steve Carlton type trade-much less a Herschel Walker for 11 players type deal that really cost a franchise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PTBNL-I still don&#8217;t see why you claim that I&#8217;m shortsighted. What guarantee do you have that any of those particular players would have even been available this winter had they not been traded for Tex (which seems to be your major disagreement with what I&#8217;ve said)? As was earlier mentioned by another Denizen, some of them would have already been traded for a better option at first base. Others might have been used as bait for temporary fillers with all the injuries we experienced.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is that none of the players involved in the trade to Texas have shown anything that would lead me to believe anyone would have graced our figurative palms with anything more than what we got in return-1 1/2 potential years of Tex-which we turned into Kotchman and Marek. Experiment didn&#8217;t work. Oh well. More players just like them where they came from.  </p>
<p>To say that one of them would have been the missing piece in a Peavy acquisition is at best a moot point -Peavy didn&#8217;t want to come here to begin with.  Besides-we could have  given them Hanson if we really wanted to convince Towers. Not too sure it would have convinced Peavy.</p>
<p>This is hardly destined to go down in the annals of trade history as a Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio, or Rick Wise for Steve Carlton type trade-much less a Herschel Walker for 11 players type deal that really cost a franchise.</p>
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		<title>By: AdirondackDave</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/06/chipper-jones-willing-to-be-patient/comment-page-11/#comment-21170</link>
		<dc:creator>AdirondackDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, what&#039;s going on in the Braves/Yankees game?  Over?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, what&#8217;s going on in the Braves/Yankees game?  Over?</p>
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		<title>By: CameronInNC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/06/chipper-jones-willing-to-be-patient/comment-page-11/#comment-21164</link>
		<dc:creator>CameronInNC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang McCann a 2 run bomb.</description>
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		<title>By: PTBNL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2009/03/06/chipper-jones-willing-to-be-patient/comment-page-11/#comment-21109</link>
		<dc:creator>PTBNL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Drew.  Could it be that he is on the team in the first place because he can hit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Drew.  Could it be that he is on the team in the first place because he can hit?</p>
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