Chipper Jones willing to be patient for contract

   Lake Buena Vista, Fla. - We start off the blog with a little update from Chipper Jones’ agent, B.B. Abbott. I spoke to him this morning to see where he and the Braves were in their discussion over a contract extension for Jones.

 

   He said the dialogue with the Braves was ongoing and open, but nothing is close just yet. Abbott said he didn’t expect anything to happen until Jones gets back from the WBC at the earliest, and not necessarily then either.

   Abbott said Chipper has decided to loosen any expectation that he might have an extension worked out with the Braves by the end of spring training. Abbott said he’s willing to continue negotiating after the season starts.

   First off, Jones is playing in the WBC now and could be away from Braves camp up until March 24. He doesn’t want his contract situation to be a distraction from what he’s doing for the U.S. team either.

   But he also doesn’t want the Braves to feel up against it with less than two weeks possibly to work out a deal when he gets back.

   “He understands it’s a unique spring training and he doesn’t want to set any parameters that are unreasonable because he does want to finish his career here,” Abbott said.

   My impression on why Chipper originally thought he’d want to have a deal worked out by the end of spring is that he might have gotten a little anxious about his future when the whole John Smoltz situation went down, and he also didn’t want his contract to be a distraction during the season.

   But Abbott pointed out that when they restructured Chipper’s contract a few years ago, they worked it on some during the course of the season. Chipper was able to leave most of it up to Abbott and then get involved when things got close. So as usual, it sounds to me like Chipper is willing to be flexible.

   There’s still a chance they could work a deal out when Chipper gets back from the WBC. I’m just saying it’s not do-or-die now at the end of camp.

   “He decided to let it happen if it’s going to happen,” Abbott said. “He’s not going to get engrossed in it. He’s a little more comfortable with the process now.”

 

   OK, now time to empty the notebook a little bit, since I’m going to file this blog before I get to the ballpark. It’s a night game tonight 7:05 against the Astros. Jo-Jo Reyes on the mound.

   Some points were raised earlier this week about Mike Gonzalez and his velocity. He’s mostly upper 80s with his fastball right now, which raises some eyebrows for those who expect he should be up in the low 90s by now at least. After all, this is a guy who was throwing mid-90s before his elbow surgery and mid-90s late last season.

   I asked Gonzalez about it, whether he’s concerned about it, and here’s what he said:

   “No it’s one of those things where spring training comes around, and I’m 88-90, 88-90,” Gonzalez said. “And I see the Phillies, I see the first game, the first nah nah nah, nah nah nah (that’s my attempt to spell out the ESPN theme for ya), before you know it you look back and it’s 95, 96. I don’t worry too much about the velocity. It comes out when the bell rings.”

   Asked Bobby Cox the same question.

   “It takes it a while to build it up, and adrenaline (kicks in),” Cox said. “I don’t care – if he can locate the heater, because his 88-89 looks real fast in the dugout to me and with that curveball he’s got, it really looks quick.”

   Gonzalez knows he’s got a month more down here to build up his arm strength. He said the most important thing is his elbow feels good.

   “It feels good, there’s no pain,” Gonzalez said. “I feel nothing in there, even last year when I started coming back on rehab I could feel the achiness, the tenderness, I was still trying to work through that. But now I go out there and throw I don’t feel anything in there.”

 

A few other tidbits and we’ll call it a blog:

 

   Kelly Johnson on being more aggressive at the plate, something that helped him during his 22-game hitting streak last September:

 

   “I’m just going up and being ready to hit from pitch one,”

Johnson said. “I made a point to be looking to swing the bat early in the count, regardless of pitch, just put bat on ball and the ball in play and good things will happen.”

   It’s something Cox sand Terry Pendleton have wanted him to work on for a while now, and he’s taking it to heart. What he said next sounds like TP’s influence to me:

   “You don’t get three great pitches to hit every at-bat,” Johnson said. “If you did everybody would probably hit a lot better than they do. Be ready to hit the one they might get.”

 

   Casey Kotchman on Garret Anderson’s defense:

 

   “That’s one thing in my opinion he doesn’t get enough credit for,” Kotchman said. “The smart routes and the ground that he covers in the outfield, with the arm that he has. I saw some plays he made last year that you’re going ‘Wow.’ He went out there a long ways and caught some balls that looked like they were certainly doubles or triples. I guess when you hit and you hit and you hit, maybe your defense gets overlooked, which isn’t a bad thing. A couple 1,000 hits they’ve got to overlook something.”

Tonight’s Braves lineup:

 

Josh Anderson CF

Kelly Johnson 2B

Garret Anderson LF

Casey Kotchman 1B

Yunel Escobar SS

Jeff Francoeur RF

Martin Prado 3B

Clint Sammons C

Jo-Jo Reyes P

549 comments Add your comment

car3boogie

March 6th, 2009
1:29 pm

AdirondackDave – Lance walked by me and stopped and talked a minute, Very nice guy. We talked about his Uncle out there Throwing BP. Lance said he was coming back to pitch but we left before he did. He did say he had the best teacher in the World. BIG KID by the way, Will be very interesting to see a Kid his size throwing the knuckler…..just by Leverage his fastball has to be pretty good.

Logan

March 6th, 2009
1:30 pm

Right church! Wrong pew?

gotigers72

March 6th, 2009
1:30 pm

Hey Carroll, please tell us THE TRUTH. Is the picture of the good looking guy at the top of this blog really DOB? Or did DOB pay that guy to have his picture taken and the real DOB is a big, fat slob with 3 chins abd a serious acne problem?

stupup74

March 6th, 2009
1:30 pm

I hope Kotchman is right about G. Anderson’s Defense and I hope we keep a productive and happy Chipper around for as long as possible.

OtisWasSafe

March 6th, 2009
1:32 pm

The Braves CANNOT screw up the relationship with Chipper. In a recent interview, Glavine said the PR fallout from the Smoltz dealings really worked in Glavine’s favor. I think that would go double-doubly for Chipper.

Tara

March 6th, 2009
1:32 pm

Chippers million dollar contract is important to those of us who are out of work, struggling to buy food for our kids and have no healthcare because of loss of work. Yes I really care about Chipper Jones and his million dollar contract. I am hoping just to keep my 99K home. I just dont care about the ego’s of professional sports players any longer. Got more important things to worry about. There I said it.

TommyP

March 6th, 2009
1:33 pm

Gonzalez threw in the mid-90s last year? I wasn’t aware of that. Monster year ahead for him.

Any fantasy league baseball fans that want to join a league for bloggers, I’ve set one up that is NL only and traditional roto scoring (4×4). If interested, email me at bcnsgood@yahoo.com. Just a few spots left (March 21 draft date).

PABravefan

March 6th, 2009
1:33 pm

Anyone who hass ever played ball knows that when you take some time away from the game, it takes time to start getting things heated up on the mound. If it is mid April and Gonzalez is still in the mid 80’s then we should be concerned, but not after 1 or 2 outings in spring. I am ready for some real lineups to see where this team really stands.

jeff

March 6th, 2009
1:34 pm

Great hopefully this isn’t another tall tale from this guy. The O’brien omen.

Bobby is da man!!!

March 6th, 2009
1:34 pm

The GM

March 6th, 2009
1:35 pm

The best situation for Chipper and the Braves is for Chipper to be traded to the AL and finish his career as a DH reducing his risk of injury and in return the Braves get a couple of top prospects for him. Then when his career is over Chipper returns to the Braves as hitting coach and the Braves strengthen their foundation for the future.

Roman Gal

March 6th, 2009
1:36 pm

Tara

If you’re going to criticize players for the money they make, you’d be better off criticizing someone other than Chipper.

ease19

March 6th, 2009
1:38 pm

Tara – wrong blog perhaps?

PABravefan

March 6th, 2009
1:39 pm

GM, I couldn’t agree more!! The only problem is if we are going to compete this year or next we need him!

Run Heap Run

March 6th, 2009
1:40 pm

Thanks for the update, Carroll! I’ve been wondering how it was going.

David

March 6th, 2009
1:43 pm

Wow if A-Rod is down for awhile just think at the money the Yanks will throw at Chipper.

PTBNL

March 6th, 2009
1:43 pm

Regarding the last blog…

CanadianBrave, like I said, it is a negative of the union. I know what the objective is. Just like any thing else when the goal is something along the nature of money being considered the best interest, then there are going to be conflicts with things that also are of “best interest” to players. Players not cheating are hurt by not getting the money that the cheaters get. However, they can not speak out because it hurts the cause of the union itself. This is a contradiction of the best interest of the ones who don’t cheat.

Run Heap Run

March 6th, 2009
1:46 pm

Am I crazy or was there just a comment in here by DOB and now it’s gone?

Jeff321

March 6th, 2009
1:47 pm

If we’re out of it by the all star break.. Trade Chipper and get young studs.

The Tex debacle really drained the farm system. Sure we still have some really good players. However, what about when Chipper retires? At what point do you think about the future?

Because I sure don’t want to trade any of our good prospects for more retreads/stop gaps.

Run Heap Run

March 6th, 2009
1:47 pm

Oh that was on the last blog – nevermind!

David O'Brien

March 6th, 2009
1:48 pm

Good note from Carroll about Chipper’s extension. Typically reasonable comments from one of the good-guy agents in the biz, B.B. Abbott….

Marie, I’m too stressed about David Gilmour turning 63 today, or I’d cover the subject you want addressed (the horrible economy and how it’ll affect baseball). Sixty-three! Say it ain’t so….

On a brighter note, Connie Britton (principal and coach’s wife on Friday Night Lights) is 41. Niice….

T.O. and A-Rod: Karmic comeuppance?…

Recently purchased three CDs that will make the year-end best-of list: Van Morrison’s live Astral Weeks (already discussed that here) and just-released albums by Robyn Hitchcock & Venus 3 (”Goodnight Oslo,” with Peter Buck, et al) and Neko Case (”Middle Cyclone”), every bit as fine as the cover with her in a dress, crouched atop a muscle car, sword in hand.

Justin Townes Earle’s new CD is also great, better than his debut CD, which was solid.

Oh, and the new Morrissey and U2 CDs are very good, too, in my opinion. Entertaining stuff from U2 on Letterman this week….

I’m mixed on the new Eastbound & Down show on HBO. A bit too over-the-top, even for me. But has some hilarious moments, the scenes with Will Farrell. Too bad the lead actor is completely unbelievable as a former major league pitcher. He throws like a — well, I’d say girl, but that’d be an insult to women who throw properly — like a fat guy who’s never pitched at any level….

OK, we turn it back over to Carroll for real baseball news. Gonna go enjoy the spring-training-like weather here in Atlanta on the bike….

Carroll Rogers

March 6th, 2009
1:49 pm

um yes, that’s DOB. he’ll be happy to hear your compliment, gotigers….

Phil Jonez

March 6th, 2009
1:50 pm

Saw it, and now gone. Thank the AJC tech department I assume!!!

Run Heap Run

March 6th, 2009
1:50 pm

: ( I’m not going to be able to read the comments on this one with all the “trade Chipper” remarks. I can’t stand the thought of it! Be back for the next one…

DAP

March 6th, 2009
1:53 pm

there is no reason to trade chipper, and many reasons that it would be stupid to do it. chipper should be given about a 3 year extension, and trading him should not be considered.

LT200

March 6th, 2009
1:54 pm

First of all, people complain that there is no loyalty in sports anymore, then when the star wants to stay, everyone wants to get prospects for him. How about a little nostalgia people and let’s try to keep one of the best ever instead of letting him walk or trading him away. I still think Chipper’s got a couple of good years left.

As far as you are concerned Tara, I am sorry for your struggles but don’t blame the ball players. They get paid to do their job, they just have a much different pay scale. Especially don’t start taking shots at Chipper when he has restuctured his deal in the past to save the Braves money. He is not the one to criticize!

Jeff321 Unbeliever

March 6th, 2009
1:58 pm

Trade Chipper? Remember the uproar when Smoltz left? I can’t deal with it again.

N Nine (eta30)

March 6th, 2009
2:00 pm

Verrrry exciting stuff on Chipper JONES! He will finish as a Brave unlike Smoltz.

DiamondbackMac

March 6th, 2009
2:01 pm

Folks, Chipper won’t be traded unless Chipper asks to be traded.

Canadianbrave

March 6th, 2009
2:01 pm

PTBNL

I understand that those who didn’t use PEDs at the time were the ones who suffered. Unfortunately they will be the ones who suffer the most in the future because any sudden increase or decrease in stats, that may be due to confidence, or a learning curve, or natural deterioration, will always be looked at with skepticism. This however, does not change the fact that it is the job of player reps, and team reps to function within the existing legal structure. If the non users of the time, did demonstrate solidarity, assuming they were in the majority, and present there wishes to change the testing policies at the time, so that this could be negotiated through the correct channels, then the fault lies with them, but let’s face it everyone benefitted financially from the use of PEDs except those who didn’t make the rosters because their performance wasn’t enhanced and they couldn’t compete with those who did. Those who didn’t use still benefitted from the increased financial reward of the game, and this greed probably overshadowed their “moral struggles” with those whose performance was enhnced. Nonetheless, it still wasn’t the union’s job to ferret out users and expose them!

BravesFanInRockies

March 6th, 2009
2:04 pm

Jeff321

Drained the farm system? Think, man.

You can argue that the Tex deal was a mistake in hindsight, but every report I’ve read says the Braves have one of the top five farm systems in the game, with a good mix of players who should arrive in the majors gradually.

Besides, if you were to trade Chipper, who’s your 3B? That may be the only position that truly lacks depth in the system. It would make zero sense to move him under almost any circumstances, but certainly so unless you have someone who’s ready to play his position every day when the trade takes place.

Roman Gal

March 6th, 2009
2:04 pm

Getting an extension done for Chipper is really important. He’s by far the most popular (and most recognizable) Brave. I think the Braves realize how important Chipper is for their ticket and merchandise sales. I went to plenty of games last year and always saw hundreds and hundreds of #10 jerseys. Every time Chipper stepped to the plate, the entire stadium would erupt in cheers.

In fact during one game against the Mets last year, Chipper got hit by a pitch and everyone started booing at the top of their lungs. It was great.

So not only would the team be lesser without Chipper, it’s easy to recognize how much the Braves would suffer financially because of him going to another team.

Big Easy

March 6th, 2009
2:06 pm

Yes, DOBDavid Gilmour at 63. Crazy days. But just kick back and fire up Dark Side of the Moon (and maybe a good cigar), and enjoy!

~E~

Frank from KS

March 6th, 2009
2:07 pm

DOB regarding your 1:48 p.m. comment

Might I add…Barry Bonds to that list along with TO and A-Roid..(Lol).

They brought it all on themselves.

Kentavo

March 6th, 2009
2:09 pm

Hey DOB, as for Gilmour; Roger Daltrey turned 65 on Sunday.
65 and still rockin’!!!!!!

Roman Gal

March 6th, 2009
2:12 pm

I was talking to someone the other day about Dale Murphy and his legacy in Atlanta and comparing it to Chipper Jones’ legacy.

Which player do you think will go down in history as the more beloved figure in Atlanta?

I’m just wondering, because I wasn’t really alive when Murphy played and am trying to grasp how much the fans really loved him…and the only comparable player I can think of would be Chipper.

Hillbilly

March 6th, 2009
2:12 pm

DOB,

Have you seen Gilmour’s latest concert DVD yet, Live at Gdnask? Sixty-three ain’t nothing but a number for him. He hasn’t lost one step whatsoever and it especially shows in his perfomance of Echoes and Fat Old Sun. With a little help from his old buddy Rick Wright (his last recorded perfomance before his death last year) they absolutely rocked it out like they were in their prime.

Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMQftoxtJ7E

derek b

March 6th, 2009
2:14 pm

Hey Tara, said you dont care about Chipper and his million dollar contacts? Then why are you on the AJC sports section reading about it? If your stuggling so badly b/c you dont have a job, then you really shouldnt surfing the web taking time out of your day to comment on it. Are you suggesting that all sports outlets stop reporting b/c YOUR struggling?? Sound like you should be surfing for a job..

Roman Gal

March 6th, 2009
2:14 pm

I wasn’t really alive when Murphy played

Ok, so I was alive, but I couldn’t color in the lines yet when he retired.

Ed Glennon

March 6th, 2009
2:15 pm

I can not believe people want to trade Chipper. Chipper was underpaid last year and would have hit even better if Overpaid Tex had not hit behind him. Chipper does everything he cam to make signing him easy. He gives back some money, doesn’t complain about what he gets and gives his all. Compare that to Glavine. I like Glavine but last year he got paid 8 million bucks and won two games. He could have won three if had lasted five innings. So what does he do? He holds out for a little more money this year. Now it is up to 12.4 million bucks for two years. Chipper won more games in the month of April last year. As for getting prospects. Are you kidding? We didn’t even get a prospect for Willey Aybar. The guy we got pitched yesterday. There must be a lot of Chipper fans out there. Please help me set these guys straight.

DAP

March 6th, 2009
2:16 pm

bravesfaninrockiesYou can argue that the Tex deal was a mistake in hindsight,

that would be an easy argument to win, i think. we traded not only the player who is in the top ten prospects in baseball, but also a serviceable starter, a young switch hitting catcher, and an amazing defensive SS. the tex trade was definitely a mistake, but it takes hindsight to make that assessment.

Seymour1948

March 6th, 2009
2:16 pm

I think Smoltz will go down as a more beloved Brave than Chipper honestly.

Carroll Rogers

March 6th, 2009
2:16 pm

Roger Daltrey is 65?! Well, the baby blues still get me….

Canadianbrave

March 6th, 2009
2:17 pm

Roman Gal

I think Chipper will go down as the more beloved player because he will probably make the hall of fame. He will also be associated with a winning Brave’s tradition, where Murphy played in a rather forgettable Brave’s era. Talent wise I’m sure Murphy was every bit Chipper’s equal. Although I understand Murph’s community legacy is quite accomplished and this part of Chipper’s legacy is yet to be determined.

Jeff

March 6th, 2009
2:18 pm

Send “Tripper” to the AL.He is the poorest excuse for a STAR player.He’s on the DL for most of the last 3 years(hurt toe,headaches,hungovers etc….).He’s BOBBY’s boy which tells you something.He’s OUT when we need him the MOST.Tell me what he has done in the PLAYOFFS……NOTHING!!! Pack up “HOOTER BOY”!!!

Chop Chop

March 6th, 2009
2:19 pm

If I were Liberty Media, I’d send this internal memo to Braves employees:

The key here is to keep people buying Chipper jerseys. A lot of shirkers and slackers have been holding on to their Chipper paraphernalia for many years and not putting money back into our franchise. Such excreta should not be allowed inside Turner Field! The suckers should purchase new Chipper items every time they enter the stadium! However, we cannot turn away anyone with a ticket. Therefore, ushers should turn over fans wearing worn, outdated Chipper items to security. Security will then escort said fans to the holding area for detention in the newly-established Tooner Field lock-up.

Roman Gal

March 6th, 2009
2:20 pm

I think Smoltz will go down as a more beloved Brave than Chipper honestly. Seymour1948

Really? Why?

Tomahawk Matt

March 6th, 2009
2:21 pm

**DOB** ever seen Pink Floyd’s Live at Pompei? Awesome stuff. Gilmour is the man.

**CARROLL** what’s your “Spring Season” impression of the new young outfielders – Schafer, Anderson, etc. ??? Jason Heyward? Freeman??

GO BRAVES!!!!

ease19

March 6th, 2009
2:21 pm

Hillbilly – “Remember that Night” was awesome as well…CSN and David Bowie as an added bonus…

Seymour1948

March 6th, 2009
2:23 pm

I just think Smoltz was a more personable and media-accesible player. But even more than that I think because he played on the ‘91 team, he will always have a special place in Braves fans’ hearts.

ease19

March 6th, 2009
2:25 pm

Roman Gal

I don’t think that you can compare…different times different legacies. I would be like comparing Murphy to Niekro or Niekro to Aaron or Aaron to Matthews…see where I am going? Chipper will always be just one of the beloved Braves.

Tomahawk Matt

March 6th, 2009
2:25 pm

JEFF – It sounds like you haven’t been watching a lot of Braves baseball the last 15 years.

What has Chipper done? …sorry excuse for a star player?

I hate to use these silly acronym things but I’m ROFLMAO.

Go root for the Expos Jeff.

DWW

March 6th, 2009
2:25 pm

Will all of the regular braves radio stations be carrying the game tonight or just wgst in atl?

Jeff321

March 6th, 2009
2:25 pm

>Besides, if you were to trade Chipper, who’s your 3B? That may be the only position that truly lacks depth in the system. It would make zero sense to move him under almost any circumstances, but certainly so unless you have someone who’s ready to play his position every day when the trade takes place.

We already have a better defensive third baseman.. But, he’s currently playing shortstop! Now, do we have any SS’s left after mortgaging the future for third/fourth place finishes?

Just to be clear: I like Chipper fine and hope he remains a Brave. However, I also like to think about the future. And feel with Chipper we’ve finished in 3rd, 3rd, and fourth the last three years.

So, I guess if Braves management is more concerned with ticket sales and Braves merchandise, the obvious choice is to keep Chipper.

Hillbilly

March 6th, 2009
2:27 pm

Tomahawk Matt,

I always considered the Pompeii version of Echoes my favorite PF perfomance ever. The version of that same song that Gilmour, Wright, and company cranked out at Gdnask last September might have been that good or better. Rock-Frickin’-City.

Chopper

March 6th, 2009
2:28 pm

DOB or Carroll, Do either of you know if the Braves are planning on doing anything this year to honor Skip Caray? I know they wore the patch on their sleeve for part of last season, but will they display something in the stadium or erect a statue? Also, what about Pete? Any tribute to him on opening night planned?

Hillbilly

March 6th, 2009
2:29 pm

Ease19

Haven’t seen it all yet. Just bits and pieces on YouTube.

DWW

March 6th, 2009
2:29 pm

Are we talking about the guy who won the batting title last year? It doesn’t sound like it.

Kurt

March 6th, 2009
2:30 pm

David Gilmour is 63 today?!?! I should have been born 30 years earlier…

Trading Chipper would be foolish. He can still hit. He’s the leader. He’s earned his keep. Good to see he and Mac represent yesterday with their homers, off the Phillies, no less.

USA v Canada, tomorrow at 2!

Mets World Series 2009

March 6th, 2009
2:31 pm

The Mets are still better at most positions than the Braves:

Schnider/Mcccan – tie (schnider has better defense)
Kotchman / Delgado – 38 hrs from Carlos
Castillo/Johnson – Castillo can return to a .300 hitter but Johnson barely wins
Wright/C. Jones – no contest, Wright
Reyes/Escobar(who???) – Reyes wins, best SS in the majors
Tatis/Diaz – Tatis raked last year
Beltran/Anderson – Beltran is an all-star
Francouer/Church – Church raked before his concusion he will rebond and Francoeur is the worst in the majors

Santana/Lowe – Santana is the best sp in the majors
Perez/Kawakami – Perez has better potential plus hudson was hurt last yr
Pelfrey/Jurrjens – Jurrjens gives up too many hits
Maine/Vazquez – Vazquez wins barely cause he had a good 07 but maine has more potential
Redding/Glavine – Redding through more innings, Glavine is done

Closer: K-rod had the most svs, he is the best lcoser in baseball, no contest

ease19

March 6th, 2009
2:31 pm

And feel with Chipper we’ve finished in 3rd, 3rd, and fourth the last three years.

So the fact that Chipper was part of the 1995-2005 Braves doesn’t matter?

Random

March 6th, 2009
2:32 pm

PTBNL (5:08 pm): ”Shane, that is not totally true. Jeff had good people around him last year, but he did not get RBIs. If I remember correctly he led the majors in bases loaded opportunities (hmmm those around him must have been doing something right)…. but he failed to get them in…. which is not true of previous years. Yes, RBIs are a “team” generated stat to some extent, but the person who gets the RBIs also has to do what is necessary to get the runs in. No two ways about it. It is not totally and only (as you keep trying to say) a matter of those around a hitter. The hitter, too, must perform his task at the appropriate time. Jeff did not do that last year, but he did do it in previous years. Try as you may, you can not take that away from him.”

HEAR, HEAR!!! – are you listening, Shaun I mean, Shane?

Francoeur had 40 RBIs in 70 games in 2005, batting .300/.336/.549:

In 2005, Francoeur came to the plate 274 times. There were 177 runners on base during those 274 PAs – he drove in 31 of those baserunners, for an OBI% of 17.514%. This was FIRST in the NL for RFs with at least 250 PAs, and 4th among ML RFs, after VGuerrero, JRivera and GSheffield. (Bobby Abreu was 4th among NL RFs at 16.25%.) Francoeur was 15th among all NL position players, and 2nd on the Braves to Chipper (18.545%).

Francoeur drove in 8.8% of the 91 runners he had on first base – also FIRST among NL RFs with 250 PAs in 2005. He drove in 19.3% of 57 runners on second (6th), and 41.4% of 29 runners on third (also 6th).

Francoeur had 103 RBIs in 162 games in 2006, batting .260/.293/.449:

In 2006, Francoeur came to the plate 686 times. There were 437 runners on base during those 686 PAs – he drove in 74 of those baserunners, for an OBI% of 16.518%. This was SECOND in the NL among RFs with at least 450 PAs (behind JDDrew at 18.307%), and 7th among ML RFs. Francoeur was 30th among all NL position players (BBonds was 31st), and 4th on the Braves to McCann (21.362% — 2nd in NL), Chipper (17.751%) and Giles (17.193%).

In 2006, Francoeur was FIRST among NL RFs with 450 PAs in driving in baserunners from first base (6.8%), FIRST in driving in baserunners from second base (20.8%), and 4th in driving in baserunners from third base (37.5%).

Francoeur had 105 RBIs in 162 games in 2007, batting .293/.338/.444:

In 2007, Francoeur came to the plate 696 times. There were 487 runners on base during those 696 PAs – he drove in 86 of those baserunners, for an OBI% of 17.659%. This was THIRD in the NL among RFs with at least 450 PAs (behind BHawpe at 18.630% and CHart at 18.328%). (XNady (17.333%) was 4th and Junior (15.254%) was 5th). Francoeur was 6th among ML RFs, and 18th among all NL position players (XNady was 19th, APujols 35th), and 2nd on the Braves to McCann (18.227%</strong) — Chipper (16.782%) was 3rd.

In 2007, Francoeur was 8th among NL RFs with 450 PAs in driving in baserunners from first base (4.3%), FIRST again in driving in baserunners from second base (23.5%), and 4th again in driving in baserunners from third base (41.4%).

Finally, Francoeur had 71 RBIs in 155 games in 2008, batting .239/.294/.359:

In 2008, Francoeur came to the plate 653 times. There were 494 runners on base during those 653 PAs – he drove in only 60 of those baserunners, for an OBI% of 12.146%, good for only 10th in the NL among RFs with at least 450 PAs (ahead of only JBruce at 11.610% and KFukudome at 11.594%) Francoeur was 20th among ML RFs, 76th among all NL position players, and LAST on the Braves behind Tex (16.338%), Kelly (15.574%), Chipper (14.972%), McCann (14.128%), Yunel (13.774%) and Blanco (13.214%).

In 2008, Francoeur was again 8th among NL RFs with 450 PAs in driving in baserunners from first base (4.2%), and now 11th in driving in baserunners from second base (14.6%), and LAST (12th) in driving in baserunners from third base (27.7%).

IN SUMMARY, driving in baserunners in 2005, 2006 and 2007, Francoeur ranked 1st, 2nd and 3rd among NL RFs; 4th, 7th and 3rd among ML RFs; 15th, 30th and 18th among NL position players; and 2nd, 4th and 2nd on the Braves.

In 2008, he ranked 10th among NL RFs; 20th among ML RFs; 76th among NL position players; and LAST (7th) on the Braves.

Francoeur did NOT stink at driving in baserunners in any of the 05, 06 or 07 seasons – he worked for and fully earned all his RBIs in those years. But not in 2008.

Francoeur’s BA and OBP have been fluctuating each season with his “luck” (BABIP), but – alarmingly – his SLG and (especially) his Isolated Power have steadily decreased every year since 2005. You can first see this in his 2007 decline in driving in baserunners from first base.

Francoeur needs to work on his strike zone awareness, pitch recognition and plate discipline, in addition to “fixing” his stance, grip and swing.

He’s not yet hopeless, but he’s got a lot of work to do to be productive again.

(Sorry if I’m late in chiming in — I’ve been on the road.)

N Nine (eta30)

March 6th, 2009
2:32 pm

DWW__

96.1 and wgst .There’s also another fm thats part time…

Tomahawk Matt

March 6th, 2009
2:33 pm

HillBilly –
I’ll have to get the Gdnask DVD. I saw Floyd at GA Tech & then at Clemson Death Valley in 93. A tab and some Live at Pompeii used to put me on the space coaster. Woo Hoo!

Go Braves!
Go Floyd!

Kentavo

March 6th, 2009
2:33 pm

As popular as Smoltz is (was?), you’d see a meltdown of grander proportions from the fanbase if Chipper does not retire a Brave.

Kurt

March 6th, 2009
2:34 pm

With Chipper, we also finished 1st for a loooooong time, including a WS. He’s not the cause of the last 3 year decline.

Its called a transition period. This fan base is spoiled. Braves are changing from the dynasty of the 90s to the new dynasty run by McCann, Escobar, Johnson, Jurrjens, Hanson, Heyward, Freeman and the like. Let’s the Phils and Mets whine about who’s the team to beat in the East. They’re just keeping the seat warm till we’re ready to take it back.

N.L. East- Still property of the Atlanta Braves

The Real Don Steele

March 6th, 2009
2:34 pm

Everybody talks about giving up Saltalamachia and Andrus for Tex but have you noticed that pitcher Nefteli Felize is rated the 10th best minor-league prospect in all of baseball? We gave him up too. That was a killer, terribly one-sided trade and the Rangers will be laughing about it for the next twenty-five years.

Big Easy

March 6th, 2009
2:36 pm

Oh, now this is the music discussion I can get into. David Gilmour is extremely underrated as a guitarist (or, indeed as a musician). He’s the best guitarist (in my eyes) out there. Says more with one note than most guitarists say with their entire repertoire. His guitarcraft took Pink Floyd to heights unknown.

Love Live at Pompeii. That is probably the best version of “Echoes” out there. The guitar sound Gilmour gets on that…amazing.

And you know, I don’t think we’ve heard the last of him, either. I get the feeling he will tool around in his studio and put out another album of some sort in the next couple of years. Don’t know if he would tour without Rick, but maybe. I’d love to see him live.

~E~

ease19

March 6th, 2009
2:36 pm

Hillbilly – worth a rent on Netflix or better yet, worth owning. It was an amazing show…I think the fact that he still performs Echoes is cool as well, not many artists will play a 30 minute song at shows anymore.

Sandlot

March 6th, 2009
2:36 pm

I was talking to someone the other day about Dale Murphy and his legacy in Atlanta and comparing it to Chipper Jones’ legacy.

Which player do you think will go down in history as the more beloved figure in Atlanta?

Sounds like an interesting conversation, Roman Gal. I think they’re both right up there. Having grown up with Murf as one of the brightest spots of the otherwise dismal 80’s teams, I’d give him the edge in part for being such a positive influence and all-around good guy off the field as well. But Chipper came along at such an exciting, fun point in Braves history and helped power the Braves to ten of their fourteen division titles, not to mention the WS victory, and has surpassed or is approaching many of the club records held by Murphy.

For nostalgia’s sake, I’ll go with Murf. But Chipper’s a close second.

Redirect

March 6th, 2009
2:37 pm

Mets World Series 2009

“Wright/C. Jones – no contest, Wright”

Please elaborate as to why Wright is better than Jones. A simple “Because I think so” is not a good explanation. Please use stats, numbers, etc.

DWW

March 6th, 2009
2:37 pm

N Nine Thanks
I live in south Macon though (dont pick up those stations) and was wondering if the stations that normally have the games would have this one or if it was just an atl thing.

Tomahawk Matt

March 6th, 2009
2:37 pm

Hey Mets World Series 2009 –
Peter Gammons called and said he wants his foolish comments & predictions returned to him.

If only the World Series was played in August… that’s so unfair to the Mets – I mean the way they crumble apart in September every year…

GO BRAVES!
Go Flush yourselves Mets.

ease19

March 6th, 2009
2:38 pm

Tomahawk Matt

I was going to say the same thing…;-)

N Nine (eta30)

March 6th, 2009
2:39 pm

Mets World Series 2009__

could you be any more one-sided? The analysis you presented is a…joke

Schnider/Mcccan – tie (schnider has better defense??????? McFann any comments?

Dude, you really think Muts have an edge in everything except (barely) KJ

Braves fans, must tell you something when a lost Muts fann says KJ has potential..ha

Chopper

March 6th, 2009
2:41 pm

Hey Mets WS 2009,

Just ask Cole Hamels: Mets are choke artists!

Roman Gal

March 6th, 2009
2:41 pm

ease19

I guess it’s hard for me to have the proper perspective. Maybe in 20 years I’ll be able to understand better…hey, and hopefully we’ll be including Jason Heyward in that list of all-time greats.

fifthbusiness

March 6th, 2009
2:41 pm

I bet all those 60 something rockers are taking PED’s to keep up with their youth.

ease19

March 6th, 2009
2:41 pm

DWW – you can’t get 96.1? I seem to remember getting it at least to Dublin on my way to the beach a couple of years ago.

derek b

March 6th, 2009
2:43 pm

Mets World Series 2009 : this guy is an idiot. Do I have a 2nd? If your going to attempt to break down a comparision of the Braves & Mets, why dont we start with playoff wins the last couple years….I forgot, Mets let those 2 slip away. Anyway, who’s gonna take you serious with a crap analysis like that anyway. I could say, well, as long as gragor blanco can hit 50 HR and drive in 195 RBI & hit .398, he’ll be better than the Mets entire outfield. Dont be an idiot…

Andrew

March 6th, 2009
2:43 pm

i hope they give chipper 3 more years

Jeff321

March 6th, 2009
2:44 pm

Lets not forget about Matt Harrison too, eh.

>So the fact that Chipper was part of the 1995-2005 Braves doesn’t matter?

Sure it matters and is appreciated.

Chipper was a part of some good teams, and they managed to win one World Series.

But, does it matter when thinking about the last three years? No, because Chipper was also a part of those teams too.

Piece

March 6th, 2009
2:44 pm

Mets World Series 2009: I might as well have stopped reading your post after line 1 when you said that Schnider[sic] and McCann are equal. Wow. Is this your first season following baseball? B-Mac is a perennial AS and Silver slugger and he’s 25. What has “Schnider” ever done?

Tomahawk Matt

March 6th, 2009
2:46 pm

Roman Gal –
I saw Heyward at FanFest this year. He makes other big guys look like toddlers. I can’t wait to see him at Turner Field whenever that happens – a couple years away I imagine – but O MAN! Dude is impressive. He’s going to help win more than a few games.

GO BRAVES!!!!

Hillbilly

March 6th, 2009
2:46 pm

Tomahawk Matt,
I saw Roger Waters in Dallas in ‘99 or 2000 I think. I really do not prefer one over the other (Waters vs. Gilmour.) I think they’re both incredible.

Big Easy,
I don’t think we’ve seen the last of him either. In fact, I don’t think we’ve seen the last of a Waters/Gilmour/Mason reunion show either. They will play together again.

Ease 19,
I’ll check it out.

DWW

March 6th, 2009
2:46 pm

ease
I can get it in north Macon, but its weak. It also seems to come in better if you are heading out of atl for some reason.

derek b

March 6th, 2009
2:46 pm

Thank you Piece, you seconded my motion that Mets WS 09 is an idiot…

H. Ross Perot

March 6th, 2009
2:48 pm

Schnider/Mcccan – tie (schnider has better defense)

That giant sucking sound you hear is McFann hyperventilating.

derek b

March 6th, 2009
2:51 pm

H. Ross Perot That giant sucking sound you hear is McFann hyperventilating.

Are you suggesting that Brian Schnider is in better shape than McCann? LOL!

I think that sucking sound was the Mets down the stretch the last couple seasons…..

ease19

March 6th, 2009
2:51 pm

Roman Gal

Its not about proper perspective, just perspective in general…I grew up watching the 80’s Braves and so Murphy would be number 1 on my list. But like Sandlot said, Chipper would be a close second because I got to see both those guys play. Niekro was just finishing his career then, and Aaron was about done when I was born. Someone like Lew might offer a different perspective since he got to see Aaron and Niekro in their prime. However, my point was just that you shouldn’t try to compare legacies…A legacy just is…

AIG Employee

March 6th, 2009
2:53 pm

I have to say Chipper. Another thing you would have to take in account though is if this extension gets done he will finish a Brave where Dale did not. Not his fault, but it was as weird seeing him in a Phillies uni as it will be to see Smoltz in a Sox uni.

The guy did name his daughter Shea though. Chip gets bonus points for that one.

N Nine (eta30)

March 6th, 2009
2:54 pm

derek b,

That was McFann not mcCann!!! lol McFann you okay?

cabravesfan

March 6th, 2009
2:54 pm

derek b

I don’t think Mets WS 09 needs anyone to point out the obvious but I will back you on that one also…He lost me (after I got done laughing at the Mac/Schnider comaprison of course) at Delgado being better then Casey Kotchman becasue of his HRs…ignoring that Delgado had as many strikeouts and errors last year as Casey has had his entire career (i know that is just pulling random stats but if he can do it, so can i :-) )

Greg in TN

March 6th, 2009
2:55 pm

Afternoon denizens…

Excellent work from the land of the mouse, Carroll. Always top notch stuff when you pinch-hit for the Notorious One.

So far, have to be pleased with the Grapefruit League action to this point, gang. Kawakami, Freeman and Hanson have been impressive to this denizen thus far although it is a tad early.

There are still agents out there that get the job done for their clients without the over-the-top hoopla that comes from others, and BB Abbott is one of them. Kind of reminds me of Dale Murphy’s long-time agent, Bruce Church in that regards. And to answer your earlier question, Roman Gal, I can only say that from my perspective, Murphy’s legacy to this fan is one notch higher than Chipper’s only from the perspective that he was my all-time favorite player from my childhood and teens. I fully expected him to take off his Braves jersey to find a superman costume underneath complete with the big bold S on the front. It was like a punch in the gut the evening he was traded in August, 1990. I understood the reasoning behind it from the club’s perspective, but I always thought he looked awful in that Phillies uni.

Moving onto the Offensive Assassin’s negotiations with the team, it doesn’t surprise me about Chipper wanting to give the team a little more time with the WBC going on, so with a spring training full of distractions in terms of WBC, I can certainly understand the desire not to add to it. The Braves have no business trading Chipper Jones, not that I believe they would seriously consider moving him unless he asked for a trade (not that I think he would ask for one). I would expect BB Abbott and Frank Wren will come to an agreement keeping #10 on the hot corner, which is as it should be.

Bravely going forward

March 6th, 2009
2:55 pm

Mets World Series: I’ve seen that list before, with the same wording (e.g., saying “Who?” to Yunel). Tell us where that list came from. You stole it from somewhere.

ease19

March 6th, 2009
2:55 pm

DWW – it will be on tonight WIFN at 8:05 for some reason.

Chop Chop

March 6th, 2009
2:56 pm

I just hope Chipper hits as well at Henry Paulson Stadium at Historic Bernie Madoff Field as he did at Shea.

22oz

March 6th, 2009
2:59 pm

The “Mets Win World Series” is a repeat of a post from MLBTR a few weeks ago,which sadly, was real. Spelling aside, it is one of the dumber team breakdowns i’ve ever read.

Redirect

March 6th, 2009
2:59 pm

I would venture to say that McFann can hold her own VERY WELL. I don’t think that “Mets World Series 2009″ would want to even attempt to debate McFann on Schneider vs McCann. My thoughts are that McFann has already nailed down comparisons with every starting catcher in the majors to prove just how good McCann really is.

Drew

March 6th, 2009
2:59 pm

Same here. That ballpark seemed to be built for Chipper the way he has torn it up in the past. They may have built it opposite so Chipper would look human there.

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