12:09 pm March 4, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
March 4th, 20092:10 pm
18 wheels of love, you just proved my point. You want him gone so badly that even if he did do something good in a game, it wouldn’t make a difference, and for some reason you can’t seem to see that we didn’t really have a better option in RF last year.
It’s been 1 year that’s been bad. He had two years of 100+ RBI’s and one year of .300+ average, yet all of that is forgotten because he had a bad slump.
Also, if you remember, he was sent down to the minors last year, so he was told to stop playing, he was told to stop going out everyday and doing the job he was under paid to do, and now you’re complaining because he got a contract that was comparative to what others have made that have possessed his skill set.
I’m not a Jeff apologist, he had a ridiculously bad year last year, but I am a veteran fan, I’ve been watching baseball my entire life, and I’ve seen players go through slumps, and I understand off years, and I also understand that at his age, he’s got plenty of years to correct what he’s doing.
I’ve also seen fan bases that have turned toxic on players, and I thought Braves fans were better than that.
K-San Rules. I read an article not long ago where some people in the Baseball world were talking about K-San as a possible Rook of Year…wow, now THATS an early projection – i like it.
Frenchy leaving for a round with Tiger and Smoltz – who cares? The youth movement is in there getting their knocks.
I love how Heyward is coming out swinging big. the young man is going to be around for a long time….
francouer’s swing is already messed up. golf messes up your swing. two negatives equal a positive
March 4th, 20092:11 pm
I thought for sure Carroll was joking about the tee time, but I guess not. You have got to be kidding me. Jeff was the worst-hitting right fielder in all of MLB last season, he hasn’t figured it out this spring (still swinging at first pitches 80% of the time), and now he leaves a game early to go play golf, which is notoriously bad for a baseball swing.
From 1910-1914 Ty Cobb continuously battled with whether to play golf or not during the season, eventually deciding to put the clubs away because he felt it was bad for his swing and he is one of the greatest hitters ever.
Jeff is quickly becoming a joke. I will never understand why he is given the rope he continues to get.
18 Wheels of Love
March 4th, 20092:12 pm
Ross has a bomb and few hits and has thrown a couple of guys out stealing…he earned a few innings off.
ease19 (1:35 pm): “I know, just giving him a hard time… “
Yeah, me too.
March 4th, 20092:13 pm
heyward singled to right off Dan Giese to put runners first and second to lead off the fourth
random Given the above, how come you weren’t sayin “that’s too many SPs” four months ago, when Wren first announced his offseason intentions?????Hindsight, baby — ain’t it great? Makes you look really smart, huh?
because 4 months ago, he hadnt yet gotten 4 starters! if wren had gotten two starters like he said (and ONLY two) we would have TWO spot available right now for hansen, morton, jojo to win!
we clearly arent communicating on the same wavelength, here, bud. obviously, im evaluating the situation in hindsight. duh. and what im saying is, in hindsight, i would have gotten one less starter, and allowed a young guy to win a spot.
March 4th, 20092:14 pm
I wouldn’t look to Ty Cobb on how to live my life. He doesn’t scream sound decision maker.
Who is the runner at second and how did they get on base? gotta be more specific.
March 4th, 20092:15 pm
Big Chief did you say 091…….BINGO…….I miss Skip already
omar infante just smoked a ball but right into a double play, 5-4-3 and the yankees get out of the inning.
Carolll is doing us a favor.. .she doesn’t GOTTA to do anything.
March 4th, 20092:16 pm
The runner at second was Brandon Jones. Yikes, people. Just not going to be able to give you every detail.
Guess Brandon Jones (in for Francouer) walked in front of Heyward?
> guys, it’s spring training. Veterans (and yes, Francoeur is a vet) leave early all the time to go play golf.
Haven’t you heard batting practice and games don’t always tranlate? When is Frenchy’s going to hit that “oppo-bomb” in a game? You don’t reward failure and that’s exactly what Cox does and will continue to do.
Just for fun.. How long do you think the real HOF manager (Joe Torre) would have put up with this crap?
March 4th, 20092:17 pm
I would look to Ty Cobb on how to play baseball.
March 4th, 20092:18 pm
I want him to do well, but if he is not, I would move him and let someone else play RF. I want to win and if he is going to keep us from winning I want a guy that will help us win. I’m partial to the jersey, not the player, especially when they have shown the ability to adapt.
Yeah, we told him to stop playing when we sent him down…that’s exactly what happened. He was told to go to Miss. and sit on his can and do nothing. And he got sent down because he was completely lost. No one ever told him to stop playing.
Carroll: You’re doing great and thanks. I’m just flipping back to boxscore every now and then to fill in…know you can’t keep up with it all. You’re doing us all a favor, and tahnks, thanks, thanks.
March 4th, 20092:19 pm
Suppose Hanson outperforms Glavine this spring. Can anyone imagine putting Glavine in the pen and using Hanson as the 5th starter?
“How long do you think the real HOF manager (Joe Torre) would have put up with this crap?”
Probably longer than would please most of ya’ll.
I know she doesn’t have to do anything. She was just so great in the first few innings, now isn’t providing enough for us to know what is going on.
March 4th, 20092:20 pm
Thrillhouse – But he does scream great baseball player along with drunk, racist, egomaniac ect.ect. They have to make another movie about him. This time, a good one.
Carroll — this isn’t some kind of joke or something, you do have the facts right that Jeff was leaving the game to go play golf with Tiger and Smoltz? If that’s true, that’s ridiculous. It’s going to be hard for Jeff to sell it to the fans, writers, or other players that he’s dedicated to getting himself back on track to be the great ballplayer he once was when he’s leaving games early to play golf. I think that if I’m Tiger Woods, I would understand Jeff not coming to play golf so that he would have every opportunity to improve his swing and get better.
And Bobby would allow him to leave early like that? Seems odd.
March 4th, 20092:21 pm
Jeff has received more fair treatment here than he will any where else. What other manager is going to let him play every day regardless of how bad he is. He has been treated more than fair.
Perhaps if we had a discussion of HIM platooning instead of Diaz, he would have a more clear perception of what is fair.
March 4th, 20092:22 pm
Carroll, you are doing just fine, we are busy out here and its nice to see the game updates. Nice article on Glav and Hanson today.
keep up the good work,DOB will be jealous.
He’s The Natural, he’ll be fine. Nothing to worry about.
March 4th, 20092:23 pm
I’ll find out for sure why Jeff left when I get downstairs. That’s my assumption, but I don’t know for sure…..Todd Redmond just gave up a run-scoring triple to Johnny Damon.
March 4th, 20092:24 pm
I agree zachary. mexico
So infante hit into a triple play?
March 4th, 20092:25 pm
dap01 Why don’t you just lay off of Frency, it just the second week into Spring Traing.
March 4th, 20092:26 pm
We need to escape the call of MEDIOCRITY……. that means playing the best 3 outfielders based on current preformance not that from 2006..
very easy business decision…
get over the loyalty to local junior legends and we will be a contender in 2009…. I will bet anyone that the current RF doesnt hit either > 270, more than 90 rbi and more than 20 hr
Anyone can take me up on any part of the proposal,
Michael – you may want to find another resource for your updates.
Chipper Jonestown Massacre
March 4th, 20092:27 pm
“Just for fun.. How long do you think the real HOF manager (Joe Torre) would have put up with this crap?”
Well, he did put up with “Manny being Manny” for part of last season – and apparently he will do so for the next 2 seasons as well.
Michel: Apparently Sammons made an out and then Infante hit into a double play to end that inning (from boxscore).
March 4th, 20092:28 pm
If Francoeur had not been in the lineup for one at bat and had taken the game off no one would be complaining.
Absolutely. I don’t begrudge the guy a day off during ST to play golf, especially a long ST such as this one. I guess it’s the appearance of today’s action that makes folks look askance. I mean, the one-AB-and-bolt just LOOKS bad, for a guy who struggled so mightily last year. A single game’s worth of ABs isn’t going to be the difference-maker in how his swing turns out, but, have mercy, that stuff today doesn’t seem to be a smart PR move. Better to have just gotten in his work, canned the game, and hit the links.
March 4th, 20092:29 pm
what happened to seymour? he was doing good updates.
Uh yeah, this is a BLOG not live game play by play. The host is a reporter not an announcer. Relax and enjoy THE COMMENTS.
Thanks Randy B. But in the first week Jeff was wanting a $3,000,000 raise. I don’t have to lay off, this is only a blog. This is only my opinion. Jeff stinks now. I sincerely hope he rebounds. But as a fan (I know, I am only a fan) it was terrible to watch him last year. I hope for better.
Carroll – my questions is: who looks like a better player right now? Francouer or Heyward?
March 4th, 20092:30 pm
I’ll agree to let Jeff emulate Dale Murphy as a person and Ty Cobb as a hitter.
I cringed when Carroll reported that about Frenchy. Because I knew everyone on here was going to rip the guy to shreds. I know the guy had a bad year and I know its possible that he won’t bounce back, but right now it wouldnt matter what he did he would get slammed. MLB hitters play golf all year round with no problems, the swings are completley different. When Frenchy first came up and was ripping the cover off the ball, guess what, he was playing golf all the time back then as well. If he is going to have a bad year its not because he missed a couple of at bats in a spring game, not to mention that he probably knew about this golf thing a month ago and asked Bobby in advanced.
March 4th, 20092:31 pm
RBI’s are meaningless in Baseball so saying Jeff had two 100 rbi seasons doesnt mean a thing. OBP is the most important stat (on base percentage) and Francouer is one of the worst in baseball at this category. The most important thing in baseball is not making an out. Francouer makes em in spades. All rbi’s do is measure how good the players are around you.
If you think the braves are the only team that allows vets to leave early from a spring training game, you are very much mistaken. Just about every team (Torre’s included) allow them some free time, especially given teh longer traing this year…
Does anyone know where there is play-by-play of the game?
2-1 Braves after 4 1/2.
March 4th, 20092:32 pm
Seymour left to play golf.
Some people seem to have missed seymours link to the play by play.
Before Redmond came into the game we were were working a 1-hit shutout.
DWW: You are probably exactly right. Too early to be ripping Jeff.
March 4th, 20092:33 pm
Chipper is allowed to skip ST games to play golf because Chipper won the freaking batting title last year. He’s earned it. Francouer has not.
Look, anytime anyone does good, expectations raise. People expect Francouer to be good, like he was pre-last year. And whether he doesn’t need the reps or the golf outing won’t affect his preparation is not the point. It just doesn’t look like he is trying next to Acosta, who skipped the WBC to work, or Jurrjens, who gets so upset at himself for sub-par performances, so he skips the WBC to work.
I think Frenchy still has the RF job, but if he’s not careful, people are going to be calling for Heyward if he struggles. Heyward is in ST and is working his butt off and is producing on the field. If he tears up AAA to start the season and Frenchy struggles, people are going to remember stuff like this.
Bottom line: Francoeur hasn’t earned the luxury of skipping ST for golf. There are people behind him working hard to take his job, and if he’s not careful, they will. He has to compete to keep his job.
March 4th, 20092:35 pm
Well said, my man. Well said.
Kevin Russo flies out to center fielder Garret Anderson.
Apparently Seymour can’t tell the difference between Garret Anderson and Josh Anderson…
March 4th, 20092:36 pm
No guarantee Heyward is in AAA… he’s 19. I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’.
> Perhaps if we had a discussion of HIM platooning instead of Diaz, he would have a more clear perception of what is fair.
Honestly, I don’t think Frenchy could handle being platooned. He’d probably demand a trade and when he found out no one wanted him.. He’d just go home.
> Well, he did put up with “Manny being Manny” for part of last season – and apparently he will do so for the next 2 seasons as well.
The Dodgers got to the playoffs with Manny. And he didn’t exactly stink up the joint either.
Btw, how long did Torre put up with “Andruw being Andruw”? Right. Frenchy & Andruw are running parallel at this moment in time. The only difference is: Frenchy has a major league contract. If Cox had his way, Andruw would have also made the opening day roster.
March 4th, 20092:37 pm
It’s not Seymour, it’s MLB.
DAP (2:13 pm): “because 4 months ago, he hadnt yet gotten 4 starters! “
No, but he said he was going to get 2 SPs over and above Smoltz and Glavine, and sign the latter two when the time was right.
“if wren had gotten two starters like he said (and ONLY two) we would have TWO spot available right now for hansen, morton, jojo to win!”
Wren did get only two like he said, and then another to replace Smoltz.
“we clearly arent communicating on the same wavelength, here, bud.”
Seems that way, don’t it? All I know is they don’t have too many SPs — better for Hanson to start in AAA and be ready for the inevitable. Reyes and Morton, too.
Ditto RIP Skip.
Appreciate it Roman Gal
March 4th, 20092:38 pm
DWW you are right, but it seems that he is assuming that everything will be ok come start of the season. When he is off to such a slow start maybe he needs the additional work. If he was off to a good spring then yes take off, but dont assume anything right now.
“It’s not Seymour, it’s MLB.”
March 4th, 20092:39 pm
Heyward is not going to tear up AAA to start the season, because he’ll be in AA to start the season. His highest level so far is A ball…no need to rush him (yet).
I pretty much agree with everything Jeff321 is saying.
Good stuff Jeff.
March 4th, 20092:40 pm
Heyward will start the year at either Myrtle Beach or Mississippi. He finished last year at Myrtle Beach but got the lion’s share of his playing time at Low-A Rome last year. Regardless of what happens, he’ll finish the season at Mississippi or Gwinnett then come up to the big club in September.
Well it kinda matters when you take a shot at someone.
Carrol, how’d we get the run back?
B:0 S:0 O:0 – Defensive Substitution: Reid Gorecki replaces center fielder Garret Anderson, batting 1st, playing center field.
B:0 S:0 O:0 – Defensive Substitution: Brandon Hicks replaces shortstop Yunel Escobar, batting 2nd, playing shortstop.
B:0 S:0 O:0 – Pitcher Change: Kris Medlen replaces Todd Redmond, batting 3rd, replacing second baseman Kelly Johnson.
B:0 S:0 O:0 – Defensive Substitution: Brooks Conrad replaces pitcher Todd Redmond, batting 4th, playing second base.
March 4th, 20092:41 pm
The Yankees are so sorry!! it is the 6th inning and Johnny Damon is still playing.
Heyward is not going to tear up AAA to start the season, because he’ll be in AA to start the season. His highest level so far is A ball…no need to rush him (yet). RC
My guess is that Heyward be in Myrtle Beach (A+) to start the season along with Freddie Freeman.
March 4th, 20092:42 pm
B:0 S:0 O:0 – Pitcher Change: Todd Redmond replaces Blaine Boyer, batting 4th.
B:0 S:0 O:1 – Kevin Russo flies out to center fielder Garret Anderson.
B:0 S:0 O:2 – Ramiro Pena flies out to right fielder Jason Heyward.
B:0 S:0 O:2 – Dan Giese singles on a fly ball to right fielder Jason Heyward.
B:0 S:0 O:2 – Johnny Damon triples (1) on a fly ball to center fielder Garret Anderson. Dan Giese scores.
B:0 S:0 O:3 – Brett Gardner grounds out to first baseman Martin Prado.
B:0 S:0 O:0 – Martin Prado hits a ground-rule double (1) on a fly ball to left field.
B:0 S:0 O:1 – Garret Anderson out on a sacrifice bunt, pitcher Dan Giese to first baseman Juan Miranda. Martin Prado to 3rd.
B:0 S:0 O:2 – Yunel Escobar out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Brett Gardner. Martin Prado scores.
B:0 S:3 O:3 – Kelly Johnson called out on strikes.
March 4th, 20092:43 pm
“My guess is that Heyward be in Myrtle Beach (A+) to start the season along with Freddie Freeman.”
That’s probably right. My guess as well.
March 4th, 20092:44 pm
Nice, completely manufactured run.
Steve from OH
Heyward and Freeman will start in Myrtle Beach (Hi-A).
Is there any update on Charlie Morton? Has he resumed throwing and will we see him in a game soon?
B:0 S:0 O:0 – Defensive Substitution: Brooks Conrad replaces pitcher Todd Redmond, batting 4th, playing second base.
B:0 S:0 O:0 – Xavier Nady triples (1) on a fly ball to right fielder Jason Heyward.
B:0 S:0 O:1 – Juan Miranda grounds out, shortstop Brandon Hicks to first baseman Martin Prado. Xavier Nady scores.
B:0 S:0 O:2 – Angel Berroa flies out to center fielder Reid Gorecki.
B:0 S:3 O:3 – Jose Molina called out on strikes.
March 4th, 20092:45 pm
Brian – good points on francouer
propp – very funny
I would only add that spring training is really no-win for jeff. If he does poorly, everyone jumps on him. If he does well, everyone writes it off as “only March.” At the end of the day, he is responsible for putting up better numbers. If he and Bobby feel its OK to take the afternoon off like all the other vets, no big deal in my eyes. Just so long as he produces come April. If he doesn’t, that’s on him and I’m sure he knows that.
I’m sure if braves management had a problem with Jeff going to play golf he would not be doing so.
March 4th, 20092:47 pm
How did Medlen look?
March 4th, 20092:48 pm
Nice to see Prado finally get a hit.
Saw it coming with the walks yesterday. Add Prado to the list of players that forgave playing in the WBC to have a chance to earn a spot with the braves. It’ll be fun for him to play tomorrow against Venezuela i’m sure.
March 4th, 20092:49 pm
Also nice to see bobby having the players work on some fundamentals in game situations this spring (moving runners over).
It would not surprise me if Bobby Cox did not have Jeff Francouer in the lineup for todays game and Jeff asked to be in it for some time to get extra work in. Just saying.
March 4th, 20092:52 pm
Still, Jeff had no business asking off to go play golf to begin with. When you’re the worst everyday player in the game, you don’t get that luxury. You should have to work to keep your job, not just show up and assume that it’s yours.
March 4th, 20092:53 pm
i want to see this hook from kawakami for myself
i cant wait until the season starts
“Still, Jeff had no business asking off to go play golf to begin with. When you’re the worst everyday player in the game, you don’t get that luxury. You should have to work to keep your job, not just show up and assume that it’s yours.”
People get regular rest. Chill. We don’t know the circumstances so we all need to shut the HELL up and quit speculating.
March 4th, 20092:55 pm
whats the score?
The season hasn’t even started and the camps are already forming here on the blog. It’s almost as exciting as spring training baseball I can’t see or hear.
This blog is ALL about speculation.
B:0 S:0 O:0 – Pitcher Change: Francisley Bueno replaces Kris Medlen, batting 3rd.
B:0 S:0 O:1 – Kevin Russo grounds out, third baseman Omar Infante to first baseman Martin Prado.
B:0 S:0 O:3 – Dan Giese grounds out, pitcher Francisley Bueno to first baseman Martin Prado.
B:0 S:0 O:0 – Pitcher Change: Andrew Brackman replaces Dan Giese, batting 9th.
I have the live updates now. How did Kris Medlen and Bueno look?
March 4th, 20092:56 pm
Maybe Frenchy needs a break and not concentrate so much on the game. Sometimes it’s good to get away for a bit. Might actually help him.
We’ve been through this a thousand times. Mississippi is for prospects, and Gwinnett is for more advanced, big league almosts, if you will. Heyward, Freeman, and Hanson to double-A. Plus this was discussed in the paper the other day.
Lead off double for the fleet footed McCann.
Don, MLB.com keeping it updated
I agree Timmy. Even these supposed great years Francouer had werent really all that good. His OBP is terrible even back then
March 4th, 20092:57 pm
I think you’re wrong. I think everyone is looking for some hope with Jeff. I for instance want to see that the new approach is going to work, or see some progress. I’m happy with him cutting down on his K’s, however, he was doing that for the most part at the end of last year. I still want to see him drive a pitch, not just make contact. Anderson, Schafer, Heyward, Diaz, etc.. can do that.
It’s still early in spring, so i’m being patient, but I don’t like jeff going to go play golf when everyone knows the golf swing can tamper with your baseball swing….no this year for jeff. I was upset smoltz was playing golf last year so much when his shoulder wasn’t feeling right. I know it doesn’t matter what i think, but as a fan, i just don’t like it. If you’re struggling, the sacrifice a little.
All i know is that it’s exciting seeing all these kids play (schafer, anderson, Gorecki, b jones, etc..) and i’m starting to pull for them and not care what happens to jeff when these kids are ready. I’m losing hope with Jeff, and it has just as much to do with his head as his unproven ability this spring.
cvbraves, thanks for posting that play-by-play. where did you find it? I say, keep on. really hard to keep you guys informed to the level you crave, when I’m also writing and reporting. Especially when they get going with all the substitutions. so if you’d like to, keep at it.
Jeff told another reporter – Scott Miller of CBSSportsline – he was playing golf with Tiger and Smoltz today. Bobby could have just given him today off, let’s not forget that. He probably asked for an at-bat.
Kawakami seemed pleased with his outing, just getting a taste of what it’s like to try and communicate with him. Said he wanted to get better command on his cutter but was otherwise happy, in so many words!
Still 3-2 Braves, heading into the top of the eighth.
March 4th, 20092:58 pm
Bottom of 7
B:0 S:0 O:1 – Omar Infante grounds out, pitcher Andrew Brackman to third baseman Justin Leone to first baseman Juan Miranda.
B:0 S:0 O:2 – Clint Sammons grounds out, shortstop Eduardo Nunez to first baseman Juan Miranda.
B:0 S:0 O:3 – Martin Prado grounds out, third baseman Justin Leone to first baseman Juan Miranda.
i think we’ll see quite a lot of 3-2, 4-3 games this season
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