1:25 pm February 28, 2009, by David O'Brien
February 28th, 20097:04 pm
Why? That makes zero sense…Were the Philles complaining that they beat the Braves youngsters?
February 28th, 20097:05 pm
KC, don’t worry about it bro. Random is a small person, and that’s what small people do. They personally attack those with whom they disagree. It’s a sig of insecurity, and often, a lack of intelligence.
And I thought your point about the depth of Atlanta’s rotation vs. NY’s was an excellent one.
ease19-Freeman is only 19 and has only played at A ball (low A, I believe). Kotchman has two years after this before Free agency. I would bet that Kotchman will either be traded before he hits FA or will be let leave to test the FA waters as soon as Freeman is ready to rol in the bigs.
February 28th, 20097:06 pm
KC (4:56 pm): “LEW, meant to say: I’m sure it’s highly improbable… [rather than 'I’m highly improbable. . .']“
Nah, I think you nailed it the first time.
In fact, sometimes yer purt near inconceivable to me.
Sign of insecurity…
February 28th, 20097:08 pm
“this is an enigma wrapped not in a riddle, but a tortilla of anonymity”
DOB, that might be the coolest thing you have ever said.
BossLady Thanks for the correction. My memory isn’t what it once was. And, before someone else says it, neither are several other things.
“Me, I’d rather the Braves beat the Mets with Santana than without him.” -Random
That’s what I was thinking.
February 28th, 20097:09 pm
TennPaul, I know there are logistical problems wherever you put the thing. But I think possible interference with the MLB season is the ULTIMATE logistical problem. Shouldn’t be acceptable.
I think maybe playing it about the same time as the Arizona Fall League would be the right ticket. I’m SURE there are problems with that… but none as critical as having guys worn fatigued or injured at some point in the season because of their participation in the WBC (on top of lack of continuity with the team for missing spring training).
February 28th, 20097:10 pm
I don’t know about that…but I would hate to speculate about something that will/may happen two years from now…Freeman is still only a prospect right now…
Random, again, I have never ridiculed you personally for disagreeing with me. I don’t get it.
But whatever man.
February 28th, 20097:11 pm
Before we get too carried away with the Santana thing, I recall that in ST last year the Mets had huge injury issues, but early in the season they were healthy and it was the Braves players that were falling by the wayside. Be careful what you wish for, that Karma can be a dangerous thing.
February 28th, 20097:13 pm
I’m not trying to stir up some crazy controversy about Kotchman. Ease I agree he needs more time, no doubt. I was interested to see that he was only 26. I’m just concerned with what he has shown me at the plate. Defensively he’s great, better than laroache, and maybe better than tex even though I think tex might have him by a little.
I understand how much a mothers illness can affect you and it puts a big toll on pretty much all aspects of your life. I’m not giving up on him yet, I’m just concerned about what he’s going to be able to do for us. Those are good stats, i’ll take .292 all day. However, the .230s he gave the braves this year gives me further concern that he might not be able to produce those numbers in the nl.
Look I get that you like kotchman because he’s a good team player and he had a good average with the angels. However, no way he’s the mvp over Vlad on that team. Furthermore, I’m not obsessed with power numbers, however 2 homeruns in 43 games is no power at all. Especially for a position that is relied on to produce and drive in runs. Again I’ll wait and see what he does this year, but he is by far my biggest question mark on this team.
Again I like his defense, and I think that he can be productive. However, he hasn’t shown me anything so far, and I haven’t heard anything about he’s improved. If he bats .290 and hits 20 homeruns with 90 RBIs i’ll be happy. The braves just cant take .230 average again from him.
February 28th, 20097:15 pm
ease, you are probably correct. It is just not the way I saw the trade. We were not going to get Tex after his contract ended last year so to get something was better than getting nothing. And… Tex was not going to get us into the post-season. So to me it was the right thing to do. After what we gave for Tex, I would have liked to have gotten more in return, but when we got him there was (less than) a year and a half left on his contract. When the Angels got him there was (less than) a half a year on the contract. So naturally his value had greatly decreased in terms of a trade.
Anyway…. good points.
TP, one of the ESPN announcers mentioned the idea of having the WBC in place of the All Star game once every 4 years. I don’t know how scheduling would be for the other countries, but it seems like a more acceptable alternative to me if it could be worked out.
dogsbrekky (5:18 pm): “Bear – I am no medico but my ex father in law was a sports physio so . . .”
So . . .
Did HE divorce yer mother-in-law, or did YOU divorce yer only redeeming feature?
Enquiring minds want to know.
kennesawmountainlandis, yeah, I don’t get the whole personal attack thing, but that tends to happen when you have the anonymity of the internet. You don’t have to worry about what that says about you, because nobody actually knows who you are. I still don’t get into the name calling… but to each their own. Seems like we can have spirited disagreements without taking the low road.
February 28th, 20097:17 pm
Zach, did you notice who he hit those HRs against? Could be nice. We certainly need someone who can hit that pitcher!
February 28th, 20097:19 pm
ease19, yeah, that’s kind of my point. The Phillies didn’t give a #$%^& that the Braves were injured. They still felt they earned it. And if the Mets had won it, it wouldn’t be any different.
Given their dismissal of the Braves (again, stuff like “you wouldn’t have won 80 games even WITH everyone healthy”), it seems a little poetic to me if they have to endure some of the same. And we can listen to them talk about about “well, if we were healthy…” and dish it right back.
February 28th, 20097:20 pm
here’s what the yahoo ranks are on kotchman:
just to show you that I’m not the only one who has doubts about him
February 28th, 20097:22 pm
Oh, I think Kotchman will be fine, as long as fans don’t expect him to be other than what he is. But, in a convoluted way, you could say that the trade of Adam Laroche cost the Braves a good 1B, a boatload of prospects, and $60MM to Derek Lowe, in return for…one full year of Mike Gonzalez.
Had Adam not been traded (and I understood the logic; Thorman’s minor league numbers were legit, and there was no reason to think he would be such an epic bust), there would have been no need to look for a bat in 2007. Even if no good pitching were available at that time (and there wasn’t), some of those Tex prospects could have been used that offseason to pursue a Haren or Harden or other young stud pitching to fill the gap until the next wave of farmhands. Adding that young pitching would have eliminated the necessity of spending 4 and 60 for a Lowe (or even more for a Burnett, or whatever).
No telling how it all would have turned out in the real world, of course, and the Braves might have been no better off. Heck, they might have had to pay some outrageous price for a closer, and it would all be moot. Still, it’s an intriguing six degrees of separation. And, it sure would be nice to have that Laroche lumber in this projected lineup.
I’m just funnin’ with ya, KC.
I’m mellow, Lew.
That Ribbentrop business always cracks me up, Random. It comes from “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” by William Shirer. I’m a history buff, so it’s fun to be able to find some reason to honor insipid historical figures from time to time. It’s no reflection on KC, of course. He seems like a cool guy aside from being wrong about the Braves whenever he types anything here. (Again, a joke.)
I’ve been reading a book about the SS (”The Order of the Death’s Head). I just got “I’ll Sleep When I’m Dead: The Dirty Life and Times of Warren Zevon” in the mail today. I’ve read it before. Great book.
atlanta braves preview from yahoo
1. 2B Kelly Johnson. Average at best in the field but productive with the bat.
2. SS Yunel Escobar. When healthy, which wasn’t often, was strong in the field and at the plate.
3. 3B Chipper Jones. Led N.L. in average (.364) and OBP (.470) for first time.
4. C Brian McCann. One of the game’s best-hitting catchers is in better shape.
5. LF Garret Anderson. A good Plan B after Ken Griffey Jr. chose the Mariners.
6. RF Jeff Francoeur. If he doesn’t bounce back, Braves could be in for long season.
7. 1B Casey Kotchman. Only two homers in 152 at-bats after trade from Angels.
8. CF Josh Anderson. Stole a combined 52 bases at Class AAA and majors.
February 28th, 20097:23 pm
TennesseePaul: “KC: I live in So Cal…”
Hmmm… for some reason, I was under the impression you lived in Tennessee. Don’t know where I got that idea. =)
February 28th, 20097:25 pm
It’s all good Chop Chop.
I don’t mind your disagreeing with me. You have the right to be wrong! =)
February 28th, 20097:29 pm
Chop Chop (6:28 pm): “Your 6:11 post is ridiculous, KC. Someone owes you an apology because you think your opinion about something will end up being right?”
Good call! I completely missed the implications of that comment.
Must have been one of my moments of KC’s incoceivability.
February 28th, 20097:31 pm
ease19-While I think Kotchman will turn into a pretty damned good first baseman, I have a feeling Freeman will be even better. The way the business end of things in MLB works these days, and given that the economy will worsen before improvement, I think it is quite possible that the Kotchman/Freeman things shakes out just like I envision it.
If the WBC has scheduling conflicts, then just let them cancel it. Go back to playing international baseball in the Olympics. I enjoyed seeing the Netherlands play Cuba at the old Fulton County Stadium in the 96 Olympics.
Hola a todos!
With all the talk about wanting to cream the Mets, I personally have more harsh feelings towards the Phils. They are the cocky SOB’s year in and year out.
February 28th, 20097:32 pm
KC-He does live in S. California, despite his name. I sent his Wurlitzer out there.
February 28th, 20097:34 pm
“Must have been one of my moments of KC’s incoceivability.” -Random
You keep almost using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
February 28th, 20097:35 pm
ChopChop-Have I got an Annhilator CD you’d love-Maybe we could interest you in some Norweigian Death Metal? They go great with Hitler and the SS. Good background music.
February 28th, 20097:36 pm
Indigo Montoya-Inigo’s Blues Brother.
February 28th, 20097:37 pm
KC (6:47 pm): “Random, what is up with you bro? I have disagreed with you on many occasions, but I’ve never marginalized you personally or called you an “idiot”.”
No, bro’, that wasn’t you Chop Chop was addressing in his very funny 4:21 comment (you should check it out), but leland.
(Am I including time references in my comments to no effect at all?)
February 28th, 20097:38 pm
What was Indigo Montoya’s repeated line in the movie? I can’t remember, and I’m sure it’s appropriate at some point in these environs, LOL.
February 28th, 20097:40 pm
PTBNL, don’t forget that we got Marek in the deal, and he is supposed to be another of THOSE prospects that we keep hearing about.
But remember fellas, this is going to be an exciting team to watch…so many unknowns (which could go either way of course!)…so does it really matter who we play?
“They go great with Hitler and the SS. Good background music.” -Lew
February 28th, 20097:41 pm
Oh, right, Inigo Montoya, my bad. Got carried away with the poster’s moniker.
February 28th, 20097:42 pm
Couldn’t agree more! Think of the discourse if Hamels had a sore elbow…
February 28th, 20097:43 pm
My name is Inigo Montoya…You killed my father…Now prepare to die!
“Indigo Montoya-Inigo’s Blues Brother.” -Lew
OH, SNAP. I always get that wrong. Excellent pun, though.
February 28th, 20097:44 pm
It wasn’t Indogo Montoya-It was Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
February 28th, 20097:45 pm
It would help if I could spell. Now I must prepare to die.
February 28th, 20097:48 pm
Yeah, but did Wagner ever burn down a church in Olso?
February 28th, 20097:49 pm
good deal, I’m pretty sure I was thinking of the “prepare to die” part, LOL. As in, for some posters, “You disagreed with me. Now prepare to die.”
yeah, that’s the ticket.
February 28th, 20097:50 pm
Lew – Don’t die, who can spend the time speell in this day and age of speelchcke…
“It wasn’t Indigo Montoya-It was Inigo Montoya” -Lew
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. I always add a silent D for some unknown reason.
February 28th, 20097:51 pm
And Inigo Montoya went to school with DOB at Kansas. Or was it Indigo?
February 28th, 20097:53 pm
ease19-It’s OK. I’m an Old Dude and I’ve lived a good life.
February 28th, 20097:54 pm
“but did Wagner ever burn down a church in Olso?” -Lew
Did I burn down a church also? Maybe. You need spelling AND grammar help.
February 28th, 20097:55 pm
Hope Santana will be okay…always want to play the best at their best…and win!!!
February 28th, 20097:58 pm
For you, Lew:
I’m a swooooooooooooooord man… (duh-nunt dunnn, dununt da-nunnn…) I’m a swoooooooooord mayunnn…
Oh, that’s bad.
February 28th, 20097:59 pm
Sorry Richard-Forgot you’d never heard of The Norwegian Death Metal bands and their favorite pasttime. And we thought it was such a nice Protestant Boys.
What’s “incoceivability,” Random?
I’m into Schleswig-Holstein death metal, Lew. Got any of that? Anything that challenges the hegemony of Denmark is cool with me, brother.
February 28th, 20098:00 pm
Indigo-You killed my song-prepare to die, Sam and Dave
February 28th, 20098:02 pm
ChopChop-No, but I’ve got some good Bal Sagoth and Trivium.
mets fan in atlanta
I’m letting yall have your fun, as i’ve been reading the blog since the first spring game and you are all “gushing” over your new pitchers. Everyone has hope in the spring–even KC and Pittsburgh. (BTW, in those 2 cities, they use Atlanta as one of those alternatives, haha)
Anyway, but i have to stop you for a moment about the injury crap. You act as if the Braves were the only team to lose players last year. Yeah, you lost Hudson and a lesser extent Smoltz, but the rest of the guys you “lost” were probably a blessing in disguise. You can’t count Hampton, and Glavine is done. He was done last year, and the injury was just an excuse.
The mets lost Alou (starting left fielder–remember him?) for basically the entire season. Ryan Church was lost for the last two-thirds of the season, and he wasn’t right when he came back. While those two were out, they also lost Beltran for about 3 weeks, and the backups to those guys got hurt AT THE SAME TIME! Angel Pagan and Endy Chavez were both on the DL for extended amounts of time, and Pagan eventually lost the entire season after a pretty good start. Even Marlon Anderson (who i think is now terrible) went on the DL for a while.
What does this mean? Enter Fernando Tatis, signed off of the scrap heap. What does he do? Just win Comeback Player of the Year. Guys like Nick Evans, Dan Murphy and other rooks played a lot more outfield than anyone thought they would–most met fans didn’t know their name at the beginning of the season.
On top of this, Wagner hurts his arm, we have to rely on waiver deadline pickup Luis Ayala to close games in a pennant race, he understandably doesn’t hold up at the end, and the Mets falter at the end.
So, you expect met fans to fall on their knees if Santana isn’t ready at the beginning of the season? Are you serious? This is a team that had Pedro Martinez on it the last 4 years. We have backup plans–they are just aren’t disguised like JOJO Reyes or Charlie Morton. One of them is Jonathan Niese, who if memory serves, threw a shutout against Los Bravos back in September. He’ll be starting at AAA.
I watched Livan Hernandez throw 2 innings in a start against the Cardinals the other day for the Mets. He looked crisp, and this was against pujols, ankiel, and the other starters for St. Louis. It didn’t take him 20 pitches combined for the two innings. And he’s considered to be our 3rd choice for the 5th starter!!!!!!!!
That’s depth—and its not named JoJo Reyes.
February 28th, 20098:03 pm
ease19: The notion that Kotchman could be around for a long time doesn’t jive with what I’ve seen over the years. Gap-hitting first-basemen tend to not stick around for long at all simply because it’s so easy to find a more productive hitter with defensive limitations and stick him at first. Even if Kotchman is a .300 hitter with with 40 K’s, I’d be surprised if he’s still a major league starter when he hits free agency unless he can also hit 25+ homers a year.
February 28th, 20098:04 pm
MuttsFanInAtlanta-Yes, we DO have new pitchers. Don’t you wish you did?
February 28th, 20098:05 pm
Lew – Old is just a state of mind…in the immortal words of Rod Stewart, “Forever Young!” (which by the way was my Mother/Son dance at my wedding, since my sister was only 13 at the time and my parents were in their 50’s)
February 28th, 20098:07 pm
ease19-That’s why I get into Juvenile Testosterone rock like Night Ranger and Whitesnake. It keeps me young.
February 28th, 20098:08 pm
I love it how Mets fans always think their team is perfect, even this early in spring training when play isn’t that important,…up until they choke in September that is and realize how un-perfect their team actually is.
You’re a real gloom and doomer, Lew. You should take a chill pill and relax, my friend.
February 28th, 20098:10 pm
True…other than Chris Chambilss and the Crime Dog, first base has been sort of a rotating door. My point to Lew was lets not speculate on a “prospect” (remember Andy Marte) and two years into the future..
“Everyone has hope in the spring” (implying it means nothing)
“I watched Livan Hernandez throw 2 innings in a start against the Cardinals the other day for the Mets. He looked crisp, and this was against pujols, ankiel, and the other starters for St. Louis” (implying it means something)
you took a wrong street, didn’t you?
February 28th, 20098:12 pm
i dont think there is anybody outside of new york that thought that signing santana to a 7 year deal was a good idea. his current sore elbow may end up being nothing, but i remember reading somewhere at the time they signed him that most scouts believed his mechanics made him a ticking time bomb for a major surgery…and sooner than later.
February 28th, 20098:13 pm
Help…I …have…something…in…my …throat…and…I…can’t…breath…Oh wait, nevermind, I’m not a Mets fan…Boy, thats a relief, thought I was choking there for a minute.
February 28th, 20098:14 pm
Andruw Jones is 1 for 9 with 8 strikeouts, if I’m reading and adding correctly. And this is spring training.
Apparently Andruw didn’t get that memo, though, and he’s treating is just like the regular season.
February 28th, 20098:18 pm
ChopChop-No need-I sparked one earlier and listened to some Jon Oliva’s Pain. I’m mellow.
February 28th, 20098:20 pm
ease19-I never bought the hype on Marte. Just on Hanson, Heyward and Freeman-and Julio Teheran.
Run Heap Run
Ok serious question guys…how many of you are on the crack pipe right now? Because….
February 28th, 20098:21 pm
Maybe the new Mets’ mascot for their new stadium should be named Heimlich.
February 28th, 20098:24 pm
Thorman’s minor league numbers were legit, and there was no reason to think he would be such an epic bust), Scoots
other than that I posted everywhere that he would never make it in the bigs..
actually I might notta been on here yet at that time.if so you’ll hafta take my word on it.
another Hessman-lotsa power and no ability to hit for average. So far Hicks is looking a lot the same though it is too early in his career to be sure.Campbell might end up the same. and Cody too…and there was Helms and there was Cameron. Not a great success ratio with big powerful third/first/OF kinda guys there. Seemed like they were on a bad streak there looking for another Klesko or better.
I’ve heard the All Star game idea for the WBC and I don’t ever seeing that happening. Imagine how upset everyone would be when the games are smack dab in the middle of the season as opposed to Spring Training.
Below the equator baseball is pretty popular. But, when we think of Winter ball, it’s actually summer down there. Those countries have regular seasons as well. Those seasons are from November to February. The goal of the WBC is to promote baseball and spread it throughout the world. That doesn’t happen when you cancel countries entire seasons so American MLB spring training schedules can satisfy a few crazed fans.
If it is possible injury or fatigue that is an issue, perhaps it’s best if we wrap all the players in bubble wrap and package them in styrofoam crates in the offseason so they don’t break a leg on a four wheeler or playing basketball, or cut a finger on a window or with an apple slicer…
Lew, I like: Heimlichez
February 28th, 20098:27 pm
Chop Chop, do you know Godwin’s Law? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law
February 28th, 20098:28 pm
Prepare to die. We have no one to perform the Heimlich manuever.
February 28th, 20098:29 pm
I’m aware of it. We needed a reference, Maturin.
Celebrity Post Night
February 28th, 20098:30 pm
Dang, the gig is up, isn’t it?
Frank from KS
February 28th, 20098:31 pm
Don’t forget Big Cat in your 8:10 p.m. post.
February 28th, 20098:32 pm
Mike – I found the comp passes and they are good for any practice session. If you want to email me your address, I’ll be happy to get them in the mail to you. My em is firstname.lastname@example.org
Chris Woodward Watch...
February 28th, 20098:43 pm
Chris Woodward is now hitting .667 for Seattle.
The Braves should consider reacquiring this talented and versatile player!
February 28th, 20098:51 pm
Frank from KS
Yes I did forget and also forgot Sid Bream (I know that is a Braves sin), but he still fits the mold…couple of years here then gone…Chambliss (7seasons) and McGriff (4 season) are the only two that had any staying power at 1B…
I am Blaine Boyer's belly
I am Blaine Boyer’s belly. I don’t need to have my apples sliced. I don’t need to have my steak cut up in little pieces. I don’t even need the food to be chewed. I eschew chewing. Teeth – you are no good to me. You just slow down the passage of the food. Get in my belly, food!
February 28th, 20098:52 pm
I love that we can count someone named Buzz Meatyard as one of our blog fans facebook group hahaha – just one of 76 people from all over the country have joined since yesterday afternoon – go us!
February 28th, 20098:54 pm
Chris Woodward Been there, done that.
February 28th, 20098:57 pm
Run Heap Run
I’ve learned that I am too old for MySpace, but not for Facebook…thanks for setting that up!
February 28th, 20099:00 pm
I have been asked to comment on the Brave’s bullpen. We just don’t know if the bullpen is viable as there are toxic assets that keep decreasing in value (e.g. Blaine Boyer). We need to seperate the toxic assets. One way is to create two bullpens: a “good” bullpen, and a “bad” bullpen. We will move all the toxic assets to the “bad” bullpen so that the “good” bullpen can carry on with business as usual and help the Braves “save”. Private investors can then bid on the “assets” in the “bad” bullpen. Maybe this can be facilitated by a Resolution Trust type organization. We’ll put Scott Boras in charge of selling these “assests” since he can sell snow to Eskimos.
February 28th, 20099:03 pm
I know it’s just hockey, but the Predators scored 5 goals in the first 11 minutes to take a 5-0 lead over the vaunted Red Wings! WOW
Bobby Cox's beverage of choice...
February 28th, 20099:04 pm
It is not a coincidence that Sid Bream rhymes with Jim Beam.
February 28th, 20099:06 pm
“Dunedin” rearranged spells Dine Nud. Just sayin’.
Hope Springs Eternal
February 28th, 20099:10 pm
Or Nine Dud
February 28th, 20099:11 pm
Son? Hello? Can’t we please just talk about this? Where ARE you?
February 28th, 20099:12 pm
Is Mark Few (coach of Gonzaga) and Orel Hershiser the same person? Just askin’!
February 28th, 20099:16 pm
mets fan in atlanta, you think our depth is limited to JoJo Reyes??? LOL
You weren’t watching TV on Thursday, where you?
February 28th, 20099:17 pm
Anders Mom – That is funny, I was wondering the same thing…Pizzaro is an arse but I like Anders…
Bubdylan’s comment about Actinopterygii and Elasmobranchii reminds me that I have to go to work on Monday so I need to go drink heavily (Jim Beam perhaps) so I won’t have nightmares about what I will be facing in the office when I get there…Nite all!
February 28th, 20099:18 pm
Or, tragically, “Nun Died”
Ander's Uncle Luigi
Well, I just been laid off from the pizza parlor. I been making pizzas for all the peoples for many years and now no work. What can I do?
Anders, I be moving in with you soon. You momma said you got to share the room in the basement with me. I also be needing room for my garlic collection. It’s a no problem. Keep a the cockaroaches away.
February 28th, 20099:20 pm
Mets Fan In Atlanta, here is replay of Thursday’s game if you’d like to see what we have waiting in the wings.
February 28th, 20099:21 pm
Oops, here it is: http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/channels?channel=3578771
Blaine Boyer’s belly is bigger than the combined economies of Sweden and the Phillipines.
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