LEW, you’re VERY likely correct. I’m highly improbable that AJ will ever get it back. Still… I’d like to see him get at least a brief opportunity in Gwinnett. But not until he shows a commitment to at least TRY to hit to all fields.
Goldenglove002-I don’t know how valuable his info is, though Dogsbrekky has \never given us reason to doubt him, but look at it like this-Pizzaro the Bizzaro and Anders have not been back to the blog since Johan’s difficulties have been reported. THAT has got to say a lot.
Well since I was once again suckered into the posting the last item of a page… please forgive the re-post here
ESPN.com: “PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. — Mets ace Johan Santana says that his Opening Day start could be in jeopardy as he continues to battle tightness in his elbow.”
HA!! That’s great!
I’m sure someone will chastise me for finding glee in a sports injury to a player of a rival team. And they my be right. It’s probably a character flaw on my part. But…
I CAN’T HELP BUT LAUGH!!!
After what happened to the Braves last year, and all the sh!t Mets fans talked throughout the season… given the complete lack of empathy from most Mets fans last year, I’m afraid I can’t muster any for the poor NY fans if Santana’s elbow issue turns out to be more than a short-term thing.
Of course, this may turn out to be nothing… but if it IS significant, Mets fans can expect the same measure of kindness from me that we were shown last year.
and they knew about it for quite a while, you may have noticed the “Mucils have signed a lot of minor league type deals recently and they are really pushing young John Maine to get ready…
dogsbrekky, well… I’ve been saving up all my assholeness (or at least, a large portion of it) for a time such as this. Mets fans will receive NO MERCY from me!!! lol
KC While I don’t have your glee that a player could be hurt. That doesn’t mean I don’t share your glee in the Mets season going in the tubes possibly before the season starts. I think even the Mets will admit without their Ace and only consistent pithcer they are toast. Maybe they should not have pushed Santana at the end of last season. If I remember right didn’t he try to be C.C. and pitch on 3 days rest a couple times
You know to Andruw’s defense (pre-2006 defense), some people’s faces naturally look like they’re smiling without even trying…mine included. It stinks sometimes because people won’t take you seriously when you’re trying to be very serious. I’m sure Andruw’s not happy when he strikes out.
I live just 8 miles from the Mets training base in Pt. St. Lucie and this place is really in an uproar over the elbow of a certain pitcher with the first name of Johan.
I cannot understand the Mets with their medical policies, remember the RF, I think Church took out Yunel and suffered such serious concussion that brain damage was feared, yet they flew him within days and played him.. they effed him up good long term, then I think he suffered another concussion…. in footy we have them rest for a month with such an injury otherwise you end up life effed (my bro in law suffers vertigo from footy concussions)… with Johan they knew in 2008 something was going on… wtf
There’s no glee in Santana’s injury, but there’s no real comparison to the Brave’s miseries of last year until the Mets have three more starters end their season and their best three relievers end theirs. Then, and only then, will they know the frustrations the Braves had last year. Right now, they only realize an imagined possibility.
“Patriotism could be the reason, pitching coach Dan Warthen said Saturday morning after Santana laid out a scenario that might push his first exhibition-game start into the third week of March.
Warthen believes Santana’s desire to pitch for his native Venezuela in the World Baseball Classic prompted the Mets’ primary starter to “push too hard” to prepare, and that the tightness that Santana now feels behind his left elbow is a result of the push.”
i just read jayson stark’s article on dontrelle willis and his fight to regain the magic that he lost a couple of years ago. sad story because he is/was a great ambassador of the game. his batting numbers are solid, and while i haven’t seen as much as a whisper about this, i wonder if any thought in the tiger organization as been to move him to the outfield. at the price tag of his contract i can understand then wanting to do everything possible to get him right and in the rotation (or at least a lefty specialist out of the pen) but if he doesn’t rebound this year one has to wonder about his future as a pitcher.
chuckw/deadjournalist, I’ll be pulling hard for Dontrelle. Next to Randy Johnson, watching him was about the most fun I ever had watching a non-Brave pitcher. Here’s hoping.
Bear – I am no medico but my ex father in law was a sports physio so I understand the lingo a little and this was something that happened a while ago and has been strained…be interested to see if he does a Glavine/Smoltz and pitches until the thing falls off the left side of his body (well right side for Smoltz)… but you get the drift…
having said that the guy is gold and will probably be abck better than ever…………
>some people’s faces naturally look like they’re smiling without even trying…mine included.
Fair enough. So, would it be asking too much for Andruw to slam his bat or helmet down in frustration? Or how about seeking out a reporter to vent a little?
See, I didn’t just jump off the bandwagon at the first sign of trouble.
I believe every Braves fan enjoyed Andruw’s great years, both in center field and with the bat. Frustration began to set in when he absolutely refused to even try to hit to all fields. He even said that he was a pull hitter and was not going to change. When he displayed that attitude and then began his decline in batting results his fans began drifting away from him. At the end only a very few remained in his corner.
The fact that he continues to refuse to take coaching (I believe) is what is behind the fans’ dislike of him now. I don’t think many actually hate Andruw. I certainly don’t but I don’t respect him because he has constantly refused to try to improve himself. He has shown that he believes he is above help, that he knows all there is to know about hitting and he is obviously wrong. If he continues this hard headed road then his career is over. And it will be Andruw’s fault, not the fault of the fans.
I just checked the Rangers’ box for today and Andruw has struck out two more times. He has now been to bat 9 times, has one single and 8 K’s. What will it take to get through his thick head? I don’t think there is a cure for what he has.
There may be no real comparison to the Braves’ decimated pitching staff in 08, but the loss of Johan (I’m not wishing this on any athlete) would be a good start and would provide a bit of karma to the Trolls and the constant crap we endured from them the last couple years-and might just convince some of the resident Gloom and Doomers that the Mutts are not nearly as strong or as worthy of fear as they would have us believe.
Bear – Andruw hurt his elbow (hyperextending) just before the 2006 ALL STAR game… since then his offence has just died… I think he played for us in pain thru 06-2007 and then reality hit home…
he is absolutely finished and he does not seem to have the intelligence to learn how to correct mistakes
worse – we have another younger less talented Andruw now
Read this. And I think there is a link on the ajc “Health” page with newer research as well. The jist–type of diet not so important, calorie control=very important. Obviously, gotta cut down on trans fats and the like, but no need to cut out the cheese entirely! Of course, I’m only saying this because cheese takes up about 50% of my daily food intake….
I do remember hearing whispers when Santana was traded that he would soon suffer elbow, shoulder problems soon. Now, I’m sure a lot of people just thought it was BS and something to make a story, but it’s starting to look true. That not only bad that their ace could be out for the wins he brings, but the mental part of it for that team is beautiful.
My last post, I should’ve wrote that rumors that Min. traded him instead of Liriano was the fear that his elbow could explode at any time. That might not even be true, so I don’t know. But, I won’t cry if he’s out for awhile, that’s for damn sure!
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum, your last post is a perfect example of why holding the WBC immediately before that start of the season shouldn’t even be considered and option!!!! Selig should be shot for allowing the present timing of this damned thing.
According to the Mets MLB site, the reason is Santana’s “Patriotism”-he pushed it too hard getting ready for the WBC. If such is the case, there goes the WBC -We can only hope!!!!!!! They’re claiming he will need to pitch 3 batting practice sessions before his first start-NONE have been scheduled yet. They are already claiming doubt that he will make his opening day start. Sounds to me like they’d better get him that High Res MRI and not mess with the lousy one and then book a visit to Dr. Job. Sounds just like Hampton, and Moylan, and Gonzo, and Hudson, etc.
I don’t know what this season will bring for the Braves, but should they win, I’d would be ever so much more impressed and pleased with topping healthy opponents. Santana’s possible injury, to me, is not something I look at with glee. When playing ball in my youth I enjoyed it most when the other team, other player, was bringing their best and most honest game. When it was over, win or loss, there would be no excuses.
Mets fans may have been @ssholes last season, but I still can’t think of a good reason to sink to their level.
Sounds like Santana has Tommy John on the horizon. He had elbow problems his last year in Minnesota. He might’ve had some elbow issues last year with the Mets, which led to his up and down season last year. .
Lew, I agree with you the Braves got shot in the foot last year when three of their best starters and two of their best BP guys were lost for the season (Gonzalez returned in June but was not at full form). I honestly don’t think that will happen again to the Braves because it is very rare for a team to lose three of it’s best pitchers due to injury. That is what ultimately kept us from being competetive last year. If the pitching had stayed healthy who knows where we would’ve ended up record wise.
This Santana injury could be more serious than the Mets think. Of course the fans are remaining optimistic and rightfully so (he’s their best pitcher) but deep down you know they’re freaking out about it.
Power pitchers seem to always have arm surgery at least once in their careers: Ala John Smoltz.
I don’t know if Santana’s ever had it but with the way he pitches you know it’s going to be coming eventually.
I heard on the radio that he’s going to throw a BP session tomorrow and if he still feels pain afterward they’ll fly him to NY.
KC: The first WBC was a hit. I went. It was an incredible experience. But I don’t know if it’d sell out all that much if it was held in November in Panama. It’s either March in America, or not at all. I’d like to see it continue. It’s good for the game.
Let me be clear… First of all, when we say “injury”, we’re not talking about someone getting in serious car crash, which OF COURSE I would take no joy in at all. We’re talking about a guy having an inflamed tendon – or something – in his pitching elbow, which might require him to sit on the bench for a while and STILL get paid millions of dollars. Poor guy.
So let’s not overstate the maliciousness of grinning over such an event. Actually, I think “maliciousness” is far too strong a word for that.
Having said that, I don’t really find ANY joy whatsoever in a guy having an injury… even just a sports injury such as this. I wish no ill whatsoever to Santana. But I DO find joy in watching the Mets run into bad fortune after the way so many Mets fans reacted to Atlanta’s incredibly bad luck last year.
I’m sorry if that fate is the result of an injury. But I’m not sorry to see the Mets suffer a small measure of the sh!tty luck we had to endure in ‘08.
TennPaul, I’m sure it’s wonderful. But putting seasons at risk, to me, is not an option. That’s why I think it should be held at a different time, or not at all.
KC: There is no other time. Middle of the season isn’t going to happen. After the season is over isn’t either as it is cold in America at that time and all the other countries are starting their seasons. This is the only time of year that works.
KC, I couldn’t agree more. That WBC ought to be eliminated right now and should have never been allowed at a time when it would disrupt the US training period. That was another dumb move made by our commissar.
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Tuxie Mama, I don’t agree that Frenchy is another Andruw. At least he is trying to make changes. I think he has a good chance to make them. I am not finished with Frenchy at all.
And for the record I have been a rider on KJ’s bandwagon for some time now. I especially liked what I saw at the end of last year, when everyone else was fading he was still bringing it. I see great things for him and am very glad they didn’t trade that young man.
I am concerned about Chipper’s health and an wondering what they are doing in getting ready for his finishing ride into the sunset. I am also concerned that a long term contract will never be finished. But I do think he deserves a moderate contract in exchange for all he has done for the Braves with his contracts up to now. Any screwing around with Chipper will bring down the wrath of God on the Braves front office.
18 wheels – I have been very sick for 4 of the 6 years I have lived in USA… I used to be uber fit and since I recovered from my main problem I took my doctor’s advice to put on weight too literally.. so I went from a triathlete 170 lbs to a fatty Aussie beer swiller 218lbs… back at 198 but at least muscly, not skin and bone….
If you eat red meat, eggs and bacon you can survive without anything else a long time… kid of fun… steak for brekky, steak for lunch.
oh what will I have for dinner……….. steak… awright
BRAVES
1. Lowe: A-
2. Vazquez: B-
3. Jurrjens: B
4. Kawakami: B-
5. Hanson of a fully healthy Glavine: B-
OVERALL GRADE: B+
When you average out those letter grades, you come up with pretty much the same thing. But I said I was giving the Braves a slight edge because of their depth and ability to absorb an injury in the rotation… even a significant one. The Mets on the other hand, don’t have the depth to cope with the long-term loss of one of their top 3 or 4 starters.
Someone in this blog, I can’t remember who… all but called me an idiot for my logic in giving the Braves a slight edge there.
Whoever you were, I would like to hear from you now.
How do you suppose the Mets are going to cope with the extended loss of Santana, if that occurs? They can’t. I was right. And I will be happy to accept your apology now.
If March is the only time that monster can be played then it ought to be eliminated. I see nothing good from it when we look at our teams. No team benefits from the WBC.
Kotchman batted a whopping .237 for the braves last year. .237! and on top of that he had a whole 2 homeruns. That’s production in 43 games. wow. thats one homerun every 77 at bats.
Overall LaRoache hit 9 more homeruns had 11 more RBIs in 10 less games.
at one point in his career LaRoache hit 32 homeruns.
I understand Kotchman had stuff going on with his family but his stats with atl last year were almost frenchie bad.
Oh and by the way LaRoache may have been the first guy I wanted up in the playoffs behind chipper. I know I can’t say that about Kotchman from what i’ve seen so far.
Kotch had two different seasons with the Braves last year. Before his mom got sick, yeah he was not that good, but once he came back from leave he started to turn things around a started stroking the ball. Its too early to give up on him yet.
Your 6:11 post is ridiculous, KC. Someone owes you an apology because you think your opinion about something will end up being right? What if Santana isn’t seriously hurt? What if your pitcher ratings are incorrect? The season hasn’t even started yet.
Kotchman is NOT a power hitter, never has been. He will hit for a high average, drive in runs and play gold glove calibur defense. If you are only going ot compare power numbers then LaRoche is most likely going to come out on top…LaRoche is also 4 years older and has had nearly twice as many at bats as Casey. Why don’t we give the kid a full season before we start trashing him?
Zach, it takes some guys longer than others to adjust to a new league and a new team. Also, Kothman as very distracted by the fact that his mother was critically ill. He missed some time to be with her.
Overall, Kotchman had a very solid season. And if you look at what he did as an Angel in ‘07 & ‘08… he hit .292 816 at-bats, with 23 homers, 122 RBI, and 61 doubles.
To put that in perspective, if you average that production over 550 at-bats, you’ll have the following:
.292, 16 homers, 82 RBI, 41 doubles.
That’s not a bad hitter. Laroche has more power, but Kotchman hits for a little higher average, and isn’t as vulnerable to lefties as laRoche.
I’m highly improbable that AJ will ever get it back. Still… I’d like to see him get at least a brief opportunity in Gwinnett. But not until he shows a commitment to at least TRY to hit to all fields. – KC
Right now, I think the Rangers would be happy if he hit to any field.
Chop Chop, you take issue with one of my posts???? I’m shock. SHOCKED!! lol
I’m just jabbing at whoever it was who ridiculed me for that point of view. Was that you? I don’t remember.
Just the real possibility that Santana could be out for an extended period highlights the lack of depth on that Mets staff. Yes, I think I was/am right about.
I’ve been seeing a TV restaurant ad lately for a parmesan crusted sirloin. I think it was a Ruby Tuesday ad. Sounds good to me (haven’t tried it yet) and might be right up your alley.
I didn’t say that, KC. I just thought your post was ridiculous…:P
Why? Because It reminded me of something that Hitler’s foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop once said to a Belgian diplomat on May 10, 1940. A Belgian diplomat arrived to protest the German invasion of his country. Ribbentrop claimed that France, England, and Belgium had forced the Germans to defend themselves. The diplomat rejoined that the facts were that Germany had illegally invaded his country and, in the end, history would judge Germany harshly. Upon hearing this, Ribbentrop shouted that “history has proved the facts!”
(Ribbentrop is also the guy who signed a pact with the Japanese and said that Germany and Japan were joining together to “save Western civilization.”)
Hey! Tornado sirens are going off here. Rock on, folks!
CHOP CHOP, also… I know there is no tone of voice in an electronic message such as these… but what exactly to you picture? Do you think I’m angrily DEMANDING an apology from someone for disagreeing? I’m just taking a jab at whoever was jabbing at me the other day. And I do it with a smile on my face (nothing maniacal… just having a good time). Lighten up dude.
It is funny how for the most part, the Angel fans hated to lose Kotch — even before Tex left them for they Yanks. But so many of the Braves’ fans wish that we didn’t have him. One set of fans know him and what he is capable of and the other set of fans seem to not be aware of what they have.
He most likely won’t hit 30 HR, but he will probably be consistent in his production. According to several Angels fans, Kotch should hit .285 – .300 with 18 – 25 HR, and he makes contact (does not strike out much). I did not realize that he had mono right after he was brought up to ML and was essentially out for a full year. So his development is behind what could have been. To them, he was beginning to break out last year. This is why they did not like losing him. He was home grown and a “good guy”.
Hey, don’t look now…but after today’s win….the Bravos are 3-1. I know it’s early (REAL early) but if they keep playing well during spring training….it might tumble over into the regular season.
not gonna go any further with you on the argument after this post…seems like others here are doing fine with the argument. But i’ll take the contact hitter any day of the week in this inconsistent lineup over the strike out prone, lackadaisical one who hits miserably with RISP and who doesn’t start hitting until after the all-star break when his team is out of the playoff picture.
I just can’t believe some people like you are so caught up in power numbers. There’s more to baseball than that, and what Kotchman did for the Angels last year is exactly what you want on your team, not Adam LaRoche.
I think that to a large degree, the malcontent stems from the fact that we traded Tex and all his late season production for a relatively unknown. You are correct when you say that he is still developing, but to me he looks solid both on the field and at the plate and has the potential to be a .300 guy with 20+ homeruns. I almost feel bad for Freeman because I think that Kotch could be around for a long time. But it seems that there are those on the blog that belong to “I want it now” generation or “What have you done for me lately” and refuse to let a guy find his way.
Yes! Morphine! Yes! Yes! Yes!
It’s about time we got some Morphine!
Been a good week for blog song of the day — some Hag, some Morphine. Somebody’s on an early roll in spring training.
KC: I live in So Cal. October has a World Series which prohibits the WBC. Novemeber through Decemeber consist of many other logistical problems aside from weather.
It’s just that after all the crap we took from Mets fans last year, and all the trash they talked (”you wouldn’t have been a 80 win team even with all your guys healthy” etc…) there’s something somewhat poetic about their having to endure a small measure of what we endured last year.
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KC
February 28th, 2009
4:56 pm
LEW, you’re VERY likely correct. I’m highly improbable that AJ will ever get it back. Still… I’d like to see him get at least a brief opportunity in Gwinnett. But not until he shows a commitment to at least TRY to hit to all fields.
KC
February 28th, 2009
4:56 pm
LEW, meant to say: I’m sure it’s highly improbable…
Lew
February 28th, 2009
4:58 pm
Goldenglove002-I don’t know how valuable his info is, though Dogsbrekky has \never given us reason to doubt him, but look at it like this-Pizzaro the Bizzaro and Anders have not been back to the blog since Johan’s difficulties have been reported. THAT has got to say a lot.
KC
February 28th, 2009
4:59 pm
Well since I was once again suckered into the posting the last item of a page… please forgive the re-post here
ESPN.com: “PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. — Mets ace Johan Santana says that his Opening Day start could be in jeopardy as he continues to battle tightness in his elbow.”
HA!! That’s great!
I’m sure someone will chastise me for finding glee in a sports injury to a player of a rival team. And they my be right. It’s probably a character flaw on my part. But…
I CAN’T HELP BUT LAUGH!!!
After what happened to the Braves last year, and all the sh!t Mets fans talked throughout the season… given the complete lack of empathy from most Mets fans last year, I’m afraid I can’t muster any for the poor NY fans if Santana’s elbow issue turns out to be more than a short-term thing.
Of course, this may turn out to be nothing… but if it IS significant, Mets fans can expect the same measure of kindness from me that we were shown last year.
Lew
February 28th, 2009
4:59 pm
KC-It’s just that if he hasn’t gotten it into his head by now that his approach needs changing, it never will.
dogsbrekky
February 28th, 2009
5:00 pm
KC – It is much worse than missing 1 start
dogsbrekky
February 28th, 2009
5:01 pm
and they knew about it for quite a while, you may have noticed the “Mucils have signed a lot of minor league type deals recently and they are really pushing young John Maine to get ready…
KC
February 28th, 2009
5:02 pm
dogsbrekky, well… I’ve been saving up all my assholeness (or at least, a large portion of it) for a time such as this. Mets fans will receive NO MERCY from me!!! lol
Jay212033
February 28th, 2009
5:03 pm
Nefi Feliz’ line for the day.
2 IP…3 H…1 R…1 ER…1 BB…4 K
Gibby
February 28th, 2009
5:05 pm
KC While I don’t have your glee that a player could be hurt. That doesn’t mean I don’t share your glee in the Mets season going in the tubes possibly before the season starts. I think even the Mets will admit without their Ace and only consistent pithcer they are toast. Maybe they should not have pushed Santana at the end of last season. If I remember right didn’t he try to be C.C. and pitch on 3 days rest a couple times
jds
February 28th, 2009
5:08 pm
You know to Andruw’s defense (pre-2006 defense), some people’s faces naturally look like they’re smiling without even trying…mine included. It stinks sometimes because people won’t take you seriously when you’re trying to be very serious. I’m sure Andruw’s not happy when he strikes out.
Robert
February 28th, 2009
5:08 pm
DOB
Does Bueno have a shot as a LH in the bullpen
Goldenglove002
February 28th, 2009
5:09 pm
You’ve got a great point about the lack of annoying Mets fans on here recently, Lew. It’ll be great too see them cry if he goes down for a while.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
February 28th, 2009
5:11 pm
I live just 8 miles from the Mets training base in Pt. St. Lucie and this place is really in an uproar over the elbow of a certain pitcher with the first name of Johan.
dogsbrekky
February 28th, 2009
5:11 pm
I cannot understand the Mets with their medical policies, remember the RF, I think Church took out Yunel and suffered such serious concussion that brain damage was feared, yet they flew him within days and played him.. they effed him up good long term, then I think he suffered another concussion…. in footy we have them rest for a month with such an injury otherwise you end up life effed (my bro in law suffers vertigo from footy concussions)… with Johan they knew in 2008 something was going on… wtf
Derick Richards
February 28th, 2009
5:11 pm
There’s no glee in Santana’s injury, but there’s no real comparison to the Brave’s miseries of last year until the Mets have three more starters end their season and their best three relievers end theirs. Then, and only then, will they know the frustrations the Braves had last year. Right now, they only realize an imagined possibility.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
February 28th, 2009
5:14 pm
Here is an excerpt from MLB.com today.
“Patriotism could be the reason, pitching coach Dan Warthen said Saturday morning after Santana laid out a scenario that might push his first exhibition-game start into the third week of March.
Warthen believes Santana’s desire to pitch for his native Venezuela in the World Baseball Classic prompted the Mets’ primary starter to “push too hard” to prepare, and that the tightness that Santana now feels behind his left elbow is a result of the push.”
chuckw/deadjournalist
February 28th, 2009
5:15 pm
i just read jayson stark’s article on dontrelle willis and his fight to regain the magic that he lost a couple of years ago. sad story because he is/was a great ambassador of the game. his batting numbers are solid, and while i haven’t seen as much as a whisper about this, i wonder if any thought in the tiger organization as been to move him to the outfield. at the price tag of his contract i can understand then wanting to do everything possible to get him right and in the rotation (or at least a lefty specialist out of the pen) but if he doesn’t rebound this year one has to wonder about his future as a pitcher.
Bubdylan
February 28th, 2009
5:15 pm
KC, take the high road. Not that I don’t understand…
Bubdylan
February 28th, 2009
5:17 pm
chuckw/deadjournalist, I’ll be pulling hard for Dontrelle. Next to Randy Johnson, watching him was about the most fun I ever had watching a non-Brave pitcher. Here’s hoping.
dogsbrekky
February 28th, 2009
5:18 pm
Bear – I am no medico but my ex father in law was a sports physio so I understand the lingo a little and this was something that happened a while ago and has been strained…be interested to see if he does a Glavine/Smoltz and pitches until the thing falls off the left side of his body (well right side for Smoltz)… but you get the drift…
having said that the guy is gold and will probably be abck better than ever…………
dogsbrekky
February 28th, 2009
5:21 pm
chuckw – funny how certain 2003-2005 stars kind of fell apart at the time a certain report into PEDS was released…… wasn’t that 2007 kind of…………
Jeff321
February 28th, 2009
5:25 pm
>some people’s faces naturally look like they’re smiling without even trying…mine included.
Fair enough. So, would it be asking too much for Andruw to slam his bat or helmet down in frustration? Or how about seeking out a reporter to vent a little?
See, I didn’t just jump off the bandwagon at the first sign of trouble.
18 Wheels of Love
February 28th, 2009
5:26 pm
An enigma wrapped in a tortilla! Now that is humor right there!
Speaking of food, just cracked a cheap bottle of red and some nice cheeses. Some aged gouda and a jalapeno havarti.
dogsbrekky
February 28th, 2009
5:28 pm
18 wheels, drinking my 1st beer in 3 weeks, have lost 20 lbs doing a sick no sugar, no pasta, no cheese, milk and intesnive sprinting program
I look great
but feel like sheet… so I bought some nice Pecorinos, danish blue and some boring old Jarlsberg and 2 doz shrimp… cajun prawn time and Sam Adams……
Tuxie Mama
February 28th, 2009
5:31 pm
No food talk please…. I am not allowed cheese…
I have been watching the preseason games (stats etc)..
It appeard to me young Jordan Schafer and Jones, Freeman deserve a shot very soon……….. even if it means dropping other better names
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
February 28th, 2009
5:34 pm
I believe every Braves fan enjoyed Andruw’s great years, both in center field and with the bat. Frustration began to set in when he absolutely refused to even try to hit to all fields. He even said that he was a pull hitter and was not going to change. When he displayed that attitude and then began his decline in batting results his fans began drifting away from him. At the end only a very few remained in his corner.
The fact that he continues to refuse to take coaching (I believe) is what is behind the fans’ dislike of him now. I don’t think many actually hate Andruw. I certainly don’t but I don’t respect him because he has constantly refused to try to improve himself. He has shown that he believes he is above help, that he knows all there is to know about hitting and he is obviously wrong. If he continues this hard headed road then his career is over. And it will be Andruw’s fault, not the fault of the fans.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
February 28th, 2009
5:36 pm
I just checked the Rangers’ box for today and Andruw has struck out two more times. He has now been to bat 9 times, has one single and 8 K’s. What will it take to get through his thick head? I don’t think there is a cure for what he has.
Lew
February 28th, 2009
5:37 pm
There may be no real comparison to the Braves’ decimated pitching staff in 08, but the loss of Johan (I’m not wishing this on any athlete) would be a good start and would provide a bit of karma to the Trolls and the constant crap we endured from them the last couple years-and might just convince some of the resident Gloom and Doomers that the Mutts are not nearly as strong or as worthy of fear as they would have us believe.
Tuxie Mama
February 28th, 2009
5:39 pm
Bear – Andruw hurt his elbow (hyperextending) just before the 2006 ALL STAR game… since then his offence has just died… I think he played for us in pain thru 06-2007 and then reality hit home…
he is absolutely finished and he does not seem to have the intelligence to learn how to correct mistakes
worse – we have another younger less talented Andruw now
Steve from OH
February 28th, 2009
5:40 pm
Dogsbrekky:
Read this. And I think there is a link on the ajc “Health” page with newer research as well. The jist–type of diet not so important, calorie control=very important. Obviously, gotta cut down on trans fats and the like, but no need to cut out the cheese entirely! Of course, I’m only saying this because cheese takes up about 50% of my daily food intake….
Gibby
February 28th, 2009
5:40 pm
Can anyone call Anders and Pizzaro. I would love to hear from them
TnBrian
February 28th, 2009
5:41 pm
I do remember hearing whispers when Santana was traded that he would soon suffer elbow, shoulder problems soon. Now, I’m sure a lot of people just thought it was BS and something to make a story, but it’s starting to look true. That not only bad that their ace could be out for the wins he brings, but the mental part of it for that team is beautiful.
Steve from OH
February 28th, 2009
5:41 pm
Page five being the key page in that article…
dogsbrekky
February 28th, 2009
5:44 pm
Will have a gander Steve OH – thanks..
TnBrian
February 28th, 2009
5:45 pm
My last post, I should’ve wrote that rumors that Min. traded him instead of Liriano was the fear that his elbow could explode at any time. That might not even be true, so I don’t know. But, I won’t cry if he’s out for awhile, that’s for damn sure!
nolie
February 28th, 2009
5:45 pm
I live in Port Charlotte and he’s absolutely right. It has the oldest average age of any county in America, just chock full of snow-birds too.
KC
February 28th, 2009
5:46 pm
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum, your last post is a perfect example of why holding the WBC immediately before that start of the season shouldn’t even be considered and option!!!! Selig should be shot for allowing the present timing of this damned thing.
Lew
February 28th, 2009
5:48 pm
According to the Mets MLB site, the reason is Santana’s “Patriotism”-he pushed it too hard getting ready for the WBC. If such is the case, there goes the WBC -We can only hope!!!!!!! They’re claiming he will need to pitch 3 batting practice sessions before his first start-NONE have been scheduled yet. They are already claiming doubt that he will make his opening day start. Sounds to me like they’d better get him that High Res MRI and not mess with the lousy one and then book a visit to Dr. Job. Sounds just like Hampton, and Moylan, and Gonzo, and Hudson, etc.
Steve from OH
February 28th, 2009
5:48 pm
Here is the AJC article. A little newer, a little more definitive.
NEXT
February 28th, 2009
5:52 pm
Let’s hurry up and get to the next page, shall we?
NEXT
February 28th, 2009
5:53 pm
Come on… next page already!!
NEXT
February 28th, 2009
5:55 pm
Why this taking so long?
NEXT
February 28th, 2009
5:56 pm
We’re almost there!!!
TennesseePaul
February 28th, 2009
5:57 pm
I don’t know what this season will bring for the Braves, but should they win, I’d would be ever so much more impressed and pleased with topping healthy opponents. Santana’s possible injury, to me, is not something I look at with glee. When playing ball in my youth I enjoyed it most when the other team, other player, was bringing their best and most honest game. When it was over, win or loss, there would be no excuses.
Mets fans may have been @ssholes last season, but I still can’t think of a good reason to sink to their level.
Richie
February 28th, 2009
5:58 pm
Sounds like Santana has Tommy John on the horizon. He had elbow problems his last year in Minnesota. He might’ve had some elbow issues last year with the Mets, which led to his up and down season last year. .
Chop Chop
February 28th, 2009
5:59 pm
Keith Brooking signed with the Cowboys. Good for him. I hope he helps lead the Cowboys to another missed postseason.
Brad
February 28th, 2009
5:59 pm
Lew, I agree with you the Braves got shot in the foot last year when three of their best starters and two of their best BP guys were lost for the season (Gonzalez returned in June but was not at full form). I honestly don’t think that will happen again to the Braves because it is very rare for a team to lose three of it’s best pitchers due to injury. That is what ultimately kept us from being competetive last year. If the pitching had stayed healthy who knows where we would’ve ended up record wise.
This Santana injury could be more serious than the Mets think. Of course the fans are remaining optimistic and rightfully so (he’s their best pitcher) but deep down you know they’re freaking out about it.
Power pitchers seem to always have arm surgery at least once in their careers: Ala John Smoltz.
I don’t know if Santana’s ever had it but with the way he pitches you know it’s going to be coming eventually.
I heard on the radio that he’s going to throw a BP session tomorrow and if he still feels pain afterward they’ll fly him to NY.
KC
February 28th, 2009
6:02 pm
Random recently pointed out that I have a tendency of being the last to post on a page, so let’s see if I can keep the trend going here…
This Cruz kid sounds interesting. Can’t wait to see him pitch.
TennesseePaul
February 28th, 2009
6:02 pm
KC: The first WBC was a hit. I went. It was an incredible experience. But I don’t know if it’d sell out all that much if it was held in November in Panama. It’s either March in America, or not at all. I’d like to see it continue. It’s good for the game.
KC
February 28th, 2009
6:02 pm
Nope… wound up on the next page. Oh well.
Let me be clear… First of all, when we say “injury”, we’re not talking about someone getting in serious car crash, which OF COURSE I would take no joy in at all. We’re talking about a guy having an inflamed tendon – or something – in his pitching elbow, which might require him to sit on the bench for a while and STILL get paid millions of dollars. Poor guy.
So let’s not overstate the maliciousness of grinning over such an event. Actually, I think “maliciousness” is far too strong a word for that.
Having said that, I don’t really find ANY joy whatsoever in a guy having an injury… even just a sports injury such as this. I wish no ill whatsoever to Santana. But I DO find joy in watching the Mets run into bad fortune after the way so many Mets fans reacted to Atlanta’s incredibly bad luck last year.
I’m sorry if that fate is the result of an injury. But I’m not sorry to see the Mets suffer a small measure of the sh!tty luck we had to endure in ‘08.
KC
February 28th, 2009
6:03 pm
TennPaul, I’m sure it’s wonderful. But putting seasons at risk, to me, is not an option. That’s why I think it should be held at a different time, or not at all.
18 Wheels of Love
February 28th, 2009
6:04 pm
Dogsb, I’m jealous. I want to drop 10-15…that is tough.
I’m a big Sam Adams fan. Love all of it.
Hey, next time I’m at Outback I’m getting a Tooheys – now that I know they serve them.
No sugar, no milk, no cheese? That is beyond tough man. But 20 lbs dropped is killer.
TennesseePaul
February 28th, 2009
6:05 pm
KC: There is no other time. Middle of the season isn’t going to happen. After the season is over isn’t either as it is cold in America at that time and all the other countries are starting their seasons. This is the only time of year that works.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
February 28th, 2009
6:10 pm
KC, I couldn’t agree more. That WBC ought to be eliminated right now and should have never been allowed at a time when it would disrupt the US training period. That was another dumb move made by our commissar.
—————–
Tuxie Mama, I don’t agree that Frenchy is another Andruw. At least he is trying to make changes. I think he has a good chance to make them. I am not finished with Frenchy at all.
And for the record I have been a rider on KJ’s bandwagon for some time now. I especially liked what I saw at the end of last year, when everyone else was fading he was still bringing it. I see great things for him and am very glad they didn’t trade that young man.
I am concerned about Chipper’s health and an wondering what they are doing in getting ready for his finishing ride into the sunset. I am also concerned that a long term contract will never be finished. But I do think he deserves a moderate contract in exchange for all he has done for the Braves with his contracts up to now. Any screwing around with Chipper will bring down the wrath of God on the Braves front office.
dogsbrekky
February 28th, 2009
6:10 pm
18 wheels – I have been very sick for 4 of the 6 years I have lived in USA… I used to be uber fit and since I recovered from my main problem I took my doctor’s advice to put on weight too literally.. so I went from a triathlete 170 lbs to a fatty Aussie beer swiller 218lbs… back at 198 but at least muscly, not skin and bone….
If you eat red meat, eggs and bacon you can survive without anything else a long time… kid of fun… steak for brekky, steak for lunch.
oh what will I have for dinner……….. steak… awright
KC
February 28th, 2009
6:11 pm
I wish I could remember… who was giving me $%^&* after I posted the following assessment of the Braves and Mets rotations a couple weeks back:
METS
1. Santana: A+
2. Perez: B
3. Maine: B-
4. Pelfrey: B-
5. Redding: C-
OVERALL GRADE: B
BRAVES
1. Lowe: A-
2. Vazquez: B-
3. Jurrjens: B
4. Kawakami: B-
5. Hanson of a fully healthy Glavine: B-
OVERALL GRADE: B+
When you average out those letter grades, you come up with pretty much the same thing. But I said I was giving the Braves a slight edge because of their depth and ability to absorb an injury in the rotation… even a significant one. The Mets on the other hand, don’t have the depth to cope with the long-term loss of one of their top 3 or 4 starters.
Someone in this blog, I can’t remember who… all but called me an idiot for my logic in giving the Braves a slight edge there.
Whoever you were, I would like to hear from you now.
How do you suppose the Mets are going to cope with the extended loss of Santana, if that occurs? They can’t. I was right. And I will be happy to accept your apology now.
dogsbrekky
February 28th, 2009
6:12 pm
Tooheys is okay but where I am from it is Coopers, Red Back or Swan beer
more of a wine swiller myself… but cheese oh yeahhhhhhhh
BBQ (USA style) …….. oh yeahhhhhhhhhhh
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
February 28th, 2009
6:13 pm
If March is the only time that monster can be played then it ought to be eliminated. I see nothing good from it when we look at our teams. No team benefits from the WBC.
Zach
February 28th, 2009
6:15 pm
Bobby,
Kotchman batted a whopping .237 for the braves last year. .237! and on top of that he had a whole 2 homeruns. That’s production in 43 games. wow. thats one homerun every 77 at bats.
Overall LaRoache hit 9 more homeruns had 11 more RBIs in 10 less games.
at one point in his career LaRoache hit 32 homeruns.
I understand Kotchman had stuff going on with his family but his stats with atl last year were almost frenchie bad.
Oh and by the way LaRoache may have been the first guy I wanted up in the playoffs behind chipper. I know I can’t say that about Kotchman from what i’ve seen so far.
I’m not trying to knock him, but
KC
February 28th, 2009
6:17 pm
For the record, here was my take on the Phili rotation…
PHILLIES:
1. Hamels: A
2. Myers: B-
3. Moyer: B-
4. Blanton: C+
5. Kendrick: C-
Bubdylan
February 28th, 2009
6:21 pm
Enter your comments here
Moby Grape
February 28th, 2009
6:23 pm
oh what will I have for dinner……….. steak… awright— DogsB
If you’re on a protein diet why wouldn’t you eat cheese, or did I mis-read an earlier comment?
ease19
February 28th, 2009
6:25 pm
Zach
Kotch had two different seasons with the Braves last year. Before his mom got sick, yeah he was not that good, but once he came back from leave he started to turn things around a started stroking the ball. Its too early to give up on him yet.
Chop Chop
February 28th, 2009
6:28 pm
Your 6:11 post is ridiculous, KC. Someone owes you an apology because you think your opinion about something will end up being right? What if Santana isn’t seriously hurt? What if your pitcher ratings are incorrect? The season hasn’t even started yet.
Reminds me of a line from the Beatles’ “Happiness Is A Warm Gun”: Mother Superior, jump the gun.
cabravesfan
February 28th, 2009
6:28 pm
Zach-
Kotchman is NOT a power hitter, never has been. He will hit for a high average, drive in runs and play gold glove calibur defense. If you are only going ot compare power numbers then LaRoche is most likely going to come out on top…LaRoche is also 4 years older and has had nearly twice as many at bats as Casey. Why don’t we give the kid a full season before we start trashing him?
DiamondbackMac
February 28th, 2009
6:30 pm
Moby
Grape oh what will I have for dinner……….. steak… awright— DogsB
Maybe he just likes cheese.
KC
February 28th, 2009
6:33 pm
Zach, it takes some guys longer than others to adjust to a new league and a new team. Also, Kothman as very distracted by the fact that his mother was critically ill. He missed some time to be with her.
Overall, Kotchman had a very solid season. And if you look at what he did as an Angel in ‘07 & ‘08… he hit .292 816 at-bats, with 23 homers, 122 RBI, and 61 doubles.
To put that in perspective, if you average that production over 550 at-bats, you’ll have the following:
.292, 16 homers, 82 RBI, 41 doubles.
That’s not a bad hitter. Laroche has more power, but Kotchman hits for a little higher average, and isn’t as vulnerable to lefties as laRoche.
David O'Brien
February 28th, 2009
6:34 pm
I’m highly improbable that AJ will ever get it back. Still… I’d like to see him get at least a brief opportunity in Gwinnett. But not until he shows a commitment to at least TRY to hit to all fields. – KC
Right now, I think the Rangers would be happy if he hit to any field.
cabravesfan
February 28th, 2009
6:35 pm
LaRoche also struck out 122 times in 136 games; Kotchman struck out 39 in 143
KC
February 28th, 2009
6:36 pm
Chop Chop, you take issue with one of my posts???? I’m shock. SHOCKED!! lol
I’m just jabbing at whoever it was who ridiculed me for that point of view. Was that you? I don’t remember.
Just the real possibility that Santana could be out for an extended period highlights the lack of depth on that Mets staff. Yes, I think I was/am right about.
Again, though… I’m shocked that you disagree.
KC
February 28th, 2009
6:37 pm
DOB, I will certainly grant you that.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
February 28th, 2009
6:38 pm
Dave, I wonder if the Rangers committed to pay him the $500,000 even if he doesn’t make the team. Do you have any info on this?
KC
February 28th, 2009
6:39 pm
Mean to say… “right about that”.
DiamondbackMac
February 28th, 2009
6:39 pm
dogsbrekky
I’ve been seeing a TV restaurant ad lately for a parmesan crusted sirloin. I think it was a Ruby Tuesday ad. Sounds good to me (haven’t tried it yet) and might be right up your alley.
dogsbrekky
February 28th, 2009
6:39 pm
Cheese – I love it but am just following the rules for once
kind of works….
“Shake and Bake”……….. speaking of which the great Talladega was on again last night
Chop Chop
February 28th, 2009
6:41 pm
I didn’t say that, KC. I just thought your post was ridiculous…:P
Why? Because It reminded me of something that Hitler’s foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop once said to a Belgian diplomat on May 10, 1940. A Belgian diplomat arrived to protest the German invasion of his country. Ribbentrop claimed that France, England, and Belgium had forced the Germans to defend themselves. The diplomat rejoined that the facts were that Germany had illegally invaded his country and, in the end, history would judge Germany harshly. Upon hearing this, Ribbentrop shouted that “history has proved the facts!”
(Ribbentrop is also the guy who signed a pact with the Japanese and said that Germany and Japan were joining together to “save Western civilization.”)
Hey! Tornado sirens are going off here. Rock on, folks!
Chop Chop
February 28th, 2009
6:42 pm
:-p
Chop Chop
February 28th, 2009
6:42 pm
:p
KC
February 28th, 2009
6:42 pm
CHOP CHOP, also… I know there is no tone of voice in an electronic message such as these… but what exactly to you picture? Do you think I’m angrily DEMANDING an apology from someone for disagreeing? I’m just taking a jab at whoever was jabbing at me the other day. And I do it with a smile on my face (nothing maniacal… just having a good time). Lighten up dude.
PTBNL
February 28th, 2009
6:43 pm
So true, ease19.
It is funny how for the most part, the Angel fans hated to lose Kotch — even before Tex left them for they Yanks. But so many of the Braves’ fans wish that we didn’t have him. One set of fans know him and what he is capable of and the other set of fans seem to not be aware of what they have.
He most likely won’t hit 30 HR, but he will probably be consistent in his production. According to several Angels fans, Kotch should hit .285 – .300 with 18 – 25 HR, and he makes contact (does not strike out much). I did not realize that he had mono right after he was brought up to ML and was essentially out for a full year. So his development is behind what could have been. To them, he was beginning to break out last year. This is why they did not like losing him. He was home grown and a “good guy”.
Random
February 28th, 2009
6:44 pm
Chop Chop (4:21 pm) –
Very sweet comeback to and idiot. Very funny, too.
Lew
February 28th, 2009
6:44 pm
TenPaul-Ever been to Florida or Arizona from October through December? Too cold? Seriously?
KC
February 28th, 2009
6:44 pm
Chop Chop LOL LOL LOL… Sorry dude, you lost me at about the point you began comparing me to Hitler’s foreign minister. =)
KC
February 28th, 2009
6:47 pm
Random, what is up with you bro? I have disagreed with you on many occasions, but I’ve never marginalized you personally or called you an “idiot”.
dogsbrekky
February 28th, 2009
6:47 pm
Chop Chop – no politics please
muffin
February 28th, 2009
6:47 pm
i’m not surprised the schafer kid has had an impact in two of the three games he has played in, we should come to expect it. soon
to be superstar!!!!
Brad
February 28th, 2009
6:48 pm
Kotchman struck out 39 in 143
That’s good; it means he puts the ball in play a lot.
Frank from KS
February 28th, 2009
6:49 pm
Lol…DOB @6:34 p.m.
Hey, don’t look now…but after today’s win….the Bravos are 3-1. I know it’s early (REAL early) but if they keep playing well during spring training….it might tumble over into the regular season.
Bobby's Cox
February 28th, 2009
6:52 pm
zach,
not gonna go any further with you on the argument after this post…seems like others here are doing fine with the argument. But i’ll take the contact hitter any day of the week in this inconsistent lineup over the strike out prone, lackadaisical one who hits miserably with RISP and who doesn’t start hitting until after the all-star break when his team is out of the playoff picture.
I just can’t believe some people like you are so caught up in power numbers. There’s more to baseball than that, and what Kotchman did for the Angels last year is exactly what you want on your team, not Adam LaRoche.
Random
February 28th, 2009
6:53 pm
Steve McP (4:38 pm): “I cannot see what he has done to justify the venom and glee that has accompanied his loss of ability to hit.”
I’d say that at a good majority of the verbiage here comes from player haters.
Whether it’s Andruw, Manny, Tex, Schmoles, whoever, seems like most everbody here hates someone.
Bobby's Cox
February 28th, 2009
6:54 pm
Actually, keep it up Zach, cuz you’re gaining more support for Kotch than I’ve seen for the kid since…well, ever on this blog.
ncscoots
February 28th, 2009
6:55 pm
Chop Chop – no politics please
Bubba, that’s history, not politics. Hall monitors really should know the difference.
Random
February 28th, 2009
6:57 pm
KC –
Me, I’d rather the Braves beat the Mets with Santana than without him.
ease19
February 28th, 2009
6:58 pm
PTNBL
I think that to a large degree, the malcontent stems from the fact that we traded Tex and all his late season production for a relatively unknown. You are correct when you say that he is still developing, but to me he looks solid both on the field and at the plate and has the potential to be a .300 guy with 20+ homeruns. I almost feel bad for Freeman because I think that Kotch could be around for a long time. But it seems that there are those on the blog that belong to “I want it now” generation or “What have you done for me lately” and refuse to let a guy find his way.
Lew
February 28th, 2009
6:59 pm
ChopChop-Quoting Nazis, Dude? You need to go spark one and mellow out.
StingerSplash
February 28th, 2009
6:59 pm
Yes! Morphine! Yes! Yes! Yes!
It’s about time we got some Morphine!
Been a good week for blog song of the day — some Hag, some Morphine. Somebody’s on an early roll in spring training.
BossLady
February 28th, 2009
7:01 pm
That would be Longhorn’s steaks
TennesseePaul
February 28th, 2009
7:02 pm
KC: I live in So Cal. October has a World Series which prohibits the WBC. Novemeber through Decemeber consist of many other logistical problems aside from weather.
KC
February 28th, 2009
7:04 pm
Random, me too.
It’s just that after all the crap we took from Mets fans last year, and all the trash they talked (”you wouldn’t have been a 80 win team even with all your guys healthy” etc…) there’s something somewhat poetic about their having to endure a small measure of what we endured last year.