1:06 pm February 27, 2009, by David O'Brien
Kings of Leon Lett
February 27th, 20094:09 pm
DOB or anyone else. What is the status now with Cody Johnson. I had heard he had a bad attitude but he spoke to my son and I for about 5-10 mins last year in Asheville when Rome came to town. Seemed to be a good kid. You could also tell last year that Heyward and Freeman were just better than everyone else at that level. They acted like they were having alot of fun and Freeman was crushing the ball.
Schafer would not bat first though…which would leave us without a lead-off hitter. Anderson best fits the 1 spot with his speed. It is kinda a toss up. Last year coming out of Spring Training though…I loved Blanco he was playing great. So it really is probably between Blanco and Anderson…for speed in Center. Schafer hits too similar to the rest of our line-up.
February 27th, 20094:10 pm
Lew: Good point. “Not-so-full uniform” more appropriate.
I’ll be interested to see what Smoltz does, mbatl. It’s gonna be a while before he’s pitching, though. Andruw has already failed miserably away from Atlanta. If he were pursuing redemption at Dark Star (and I’m glad he’s not), that would be interesting.
As far as Tex goes, I hope he tears his knee up. He’s a Yankee. I hate the Yankees.
DOB, re your squib on Brandon Hicks…does the organization really value his glove that much? I ask only because I haven’t been impressed with his defense in the past, and I’ve seen him play a good bit.
February 27th, 20094:11 pm
ChipperFan u r the new SAGE of this blog. (still laughing)
Being “clutch” isn’t a repeatable skill. Get that out of your head.
February 27th, 20094:12 pm
You gotta love Bobby Cox. Guy can give up a grand slam…and Bobby will be like…too bad the wind was blowing out today…you had good stuff today kid. He’s just such a great manager and keeps everyone relaxed and never gets frustrated.
It ain’t unreasonable to expect the top part of a Hooters girl’s uni to be full, right?
Wayne, you’re correct about Boyer. He just ran out of gas last season. I thought we all knew that as there was a collective gasp on the blog as we all worried that he was being overused.
Bennett is the long guy, either he or Buddy. I think Bennett is the better choice with that sinker. I think it’s back to the minors for Campillo as I don’t see him winning a spot in the rotation or in the pen. He’s a victim of having some pretty good power arms in the pen.
Wayne in Utah
February 27th, 20094:13 pm
Let’s cut Gonzo, his fastball isn’t over 88 after 3 games. What a bum!
mFin04: Your comment on the starters is spot on, and has been stated about 20K times since the end of last season. No truer words were ever blogged.
February 27th, 20094:14 pm
You can’t just say that Schafer won’t lead off. He has speed, power, and gets on base. He could hit there. Cox had Schafer batting 1st on the ESPN game. He’s not as fast as Anderson, but he certainly isn’t slow. If he makes the team over Josh Anderson in Spring Training, it’ll be because he is ready to hit in the majors.
If Josh Anderson is the lead off guy, well we’ve had much worse in recent years.
Chop CHop…a man after my own heart. I bet you don’t hate the Yankees as much as I do
Glove, Scott used to be my favorite player when I was 6 or 7. I think it was because my little league team was the ‘Stros & I got his Starting Lineup figure for my birthday. Boy, all that hard throwing (and hard living) caught up to him quick, didn’t it?
February 27th, 20094:15 pm
I’ll try and fire off a gem here and there. I can’t compete with Bubdylan, though.
Anybody bashing the bullpen because of last year’s results needs to remember that they were all ridiculously overworked because we lost almost all of our starters – and Gonzalez was fresh off a long DL stint. Try to see some context around the numbers you’re looking at.
February 27th, 20094:16 pm
Wonder if Chipper went after any of the Hooters girls after the game (or maybe even during the game)??
February 27th, 20094:17 pm
I am not sure what planet you come from, but go tell Derek Jeter that “clutch is not sustainable”. Your statement is Barbara Streisand.
It never ceases to amaze me the logic some use on the blog……
Get out of your “stat fog” and watch the games.
February 27th, 20094:18 pm
MFin04 (3:51 pm): “I dont think Gonzo is going to close for the Braves this year. I realize he is the closer…but he was really in consistent last year.”
Are you insane, or merely oblivious?
That may be true, getnathan. The team I cheer for in the AL is the Red Sox because I know their fans (the real ones that were there before the World Series titles) are kindred spirits. All I know is that I can watch regular season Yankee games on ESPN or FOX and feel my blood boil.
February 27th, 20094:19 pm
How ya been?
To make my point…Schafer has been compared to (probably unfairly) Grady Sizemore of the Indians. Grady Sizemore batted first in every game he played for them.
February 27th, 20094:20 pm
“Being “clutch” isn’t a repeatable skill. Get that out of your head”
Tell that to Joe Montana, or Larry Bird, or Jordan. Tell it to Tiger. Some players are more likely to make a play when a play needs to be made than others. That is what clutch is. If clutch isn’t “repeatable”, what do you call Mariano Rivera?
We know Garret Anderson’s track record is that he performs better in certain “crucial and important” situations than many other players. We know he’s done this over some 15 seasons, that seems as close to repetitious and consistent as you can get in baseball.
Wayne, ferchrissake, don’t get that “clutch” conversation going again. Please, bubba. Just because the other blogger missed those conversations doesn’t mean the rest of us should have to relive them, LOL.
February 27th, 20094:21 pm
DOB- that’s why I love Bobby. He NEVER has anything bad to say about any of his players. A player could give up 15 runs in an inning and a third and Bobby’d be talking about how nice his splitter was looking.
Who’s after Bobby, do you think? Is it Pendleton? Maybe bringing back Ned Yost? Snitker?
Andruw Jones – 0 for 2 with 2 K’s
Glad he’s Texas’ problem now
James is Red
February 27th, 20094:23 pm
MFin04 – were you saying that my 10 win prediction for Glavine was not realistic? Why? He could easily start 20 – 23 games this year. You think 10 wins is that crazy?
February 27th, 20094:24 pm
Wayne in Utah (4:17 pm): “PWHjort
I am not sure what planet you come from, but go tell Derek Jeter that “clutch is not sustainable”. “
Show me some numbers that say Jeter is “clutch” — I’m not interested in your “gut” feelings.
If you do come up with stats or other objective evidence of Jeter’s “clutchness”, I’ll eat my hat if they’re valid.
Glove51 – No doubt Mike Scott had a great splitter, but did you ever see Bruce Sutter? When he was closing in his prime he would strike people out and bounce the ball in front of home plate half the time. People looked like Andruw Jones at his worst against Sutter. And That’s Bad!!
February 27th, 20094:25 pm
Great Wayne and you? It’s Spring Training, the Braves are back, things suddenly seem a little better.
You asked me something awhile back, I’ve forgotten what, but I don’t think you caught my answer. Just so you know I didn’t leave you hangin’
Hopefully the pen will be healthier than last season. I really would like to see what Boyer and Acosta can do when they don’t have to pitch as frequently due to the starters staying in longer, and they don’t have to fulfill roles they weren’t being counted on filling due to the return of Moylan and Soriano.
February 27th, 20094:26 pm
“To make my point…Schafer has been compared to (probably unfairly) Grady Sizemore of the Indians. Grady Sizemore batted first in every game he played for them.”
Josh H, that’s just an outright mis-statement. Sizemore batted mostly 7th/8th/9th in his first year (2004); and the same for his first 20 or so games in 2005. The Indians gave him 60-70 games before moving him up to leadoff fulltime.
It’s not a matter of debate. Research shows that hitting with runners in scoring position is not a repeatable skill. It’s just not. And there’s nothing you can say to refute that. Good players play well, sometimes with the bases empty, sometimes with the sacks packed. Bad players don’t. The notion of “clutch” in baseball is a delusion.
We need Hooters girls at every game if it’s going to cause Chipper to hit a homerun.
February 27th, 20094:27 pm
By the way, Royce Ring is trying to close out this Mets Cardinals game and he’s tanking. It was 9-4 2 men nobody out on when he came in, it’s now 9-8 2 men on 2 outs.
February 27th, 20094:28 pm
James…i wasnt saying 10-12 wins was crazy…i was wanting….ERA innings pitched…etc. Do many guys pitching 5th get that many wins? I was wanting more info…not saying you were incorrect
I meant to say “every game this year”. My apologies.
Is that the same research that says a ball doesn’t actually curve?
February 27th, 20094:29 pm
“We need Hooters girls at every game if it’s going to cause Chipper to hit a homerun.”
I think it causes something else lol
I guess we can expect a 4.55 ERA in 150 IP from Glavine. Around 75 K’s and a 1.35 WHIP.
February 27th, 20094:30 pm
Gonzo got lucky in a lot of the games he pitched…and there were non save situations were he didnt blow a save…just blew the game. Just havent been impressed…but I’ll reserve judgment until he blows his first save…he was awful the other day. I realize its the first game…but I’ve seen this from him before.
Josh, guess you learned not to make a mistake around here, eh buddy?
February 27th, 20094:31 pm
Research done by Bill James. In addition to revolutionizing the way we look at baseball, Bill James has been employed by the Red Sox since 2003. What have they done since then? 2 world championships.
February 27th, 20094:32 pm
No, but I bet it’s in the same body of work that shows God-like pontifications from cred-less bloggers tends to slow the winning of friends and influencing of people by same.
mbatl: Is it’s Friday and 4:30 an excuse?
On topic: It would be prudent to start Schafer out batting 7th or 8th. But with our lineup being completely void of other good leadoff options, if he makes the majors you just might have to throw him in that role.
February 27th, 20094:33 pm
I dont like having a closer…that walks a lot of guys…making me turn up the volume on my tv while i listen to the game…while sitting on the toliet in the bathroom…so i dont wet myself and the couch.
Chop Chop – A friend of mine always raves about how great the Yankees WERE, and I hate how they think they can buy a championship, and I hate the way they treated Joe Torre, and I hate the way they use Joba Chamberlain (their version of Hanson just more experienced), I hate the way they build their teams. I can go on and on and on. They are the most disgraceful franchise in all of sports in my opinion.
February 27th, 20094:36 pm
Renegator 4:26 pm
I agree – Chipper always seems to be productive with Hooters girls
Not to mention overpaying for players…and giving 6 year contracts when…a 3 year contract would make more sense. Im glad they signed Burnett….it seems like the Braves…got lucky with all their moves falling through…i like having lowe and escobar…and the rest of the new guys. i think every one of our moves worked out for the best.
February 27th, 20094:37 pm
Someone might want to look it up somewhere (I’m trying to finish a story), but I heard Andruw is 5-for-5 with five strikeouts this spring….
Andruw Jones first 3 games this spring…0 for 5 with 5 strikeouts…..Hilarious.
February 27th, 20094:38 pm
Gonzo closed out 14 out of 16 after coming off surgery. I don’t think he even blew a save with Pittsburgh. I guess he should be throwing as hard as he can in his first inning of preseason. Unless I guy throws 95mph+ you think a pitcher is not a great pitcher. The braves had 2 pitchers that threw in the 80’s that are going to the hall of fame. You are taking preseason too serious. Maybe you should head down to FL, check out some hooters girls, and relax a little
LOL, that sounds like Bobby. “Hey Andruw…your swing looks good. You are 5 for 5 so far in spring training.”
February 27th, 20094:39 pm
Andruw Jones now 0-5 with 5 punchouts on the spring….
Ol’ kirkinga lists five all-time great players in various sports as proof of “clutch.” The best athletes are generally the most “clutch” because they are the best players in almost every other situation.
Now, as far as Garret Anderson is concerned, his career numbers do not show an abundance of clutch:
2 outs/RISP: .287/.356/.428
Close and Late: .299/.339/.430
Tie Game: .291/.321/.459
Those numbers aren’t bad, of course. Anderson’s overall career numbers are .296/.327/.469.
In other words, Garret Anderson is pretty consistent. He doesn’t lose his **** when the chips are down, but he doesn’t exactly elevate his game either. It’s nice to have a known quantity on the ball club (I know Bobby’s raving already), but don’t expect Garret Anderson to be Mr. Clutch.
February 27th, 20094:40 pm
While I would love to see you eat your hat, I have not the time nor the inclination to humor you. Again, Barbara Streisand.
February 27th, 20094:42 pm
I’ll take batting .290 to .300 in every and any situation all day long. If guys are on base…that means he will get a hefty number of RBIs batting in the 3,4,5, spots.
February 27th, 20094:44 pm
Tn Jeff at 4:36
He’s also been reproductive with Hooters’ girls.
Because you know they are right. Keep fighting the good fight guys. There is no such thing as “clutch” just as wins arent a good indicator of who is a good pitcher. Its going to take awhile but eventually people will start to realize which stats matter in baseball and which ones dont. OPS WHIP are very important. Wins RBI Batting Average not nearly as much.
Unfortunate about Andruw. Expected, but still unfortunate.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
February 27th, 20094:45 pm
The statement was being clutch isn’t a repeatable SKILL. Clutch hitting is not a skill, it is part of a hitters mental make-up. It is more about mental ability than any physical skill they possess.
That would be the same in any sport.
By the way, Tiger Woods was clutch yesterday when he failed to advance, wasn’t he.
It’s not a matter of debate. Research shows that hitting with runners in scoring position is not a repeatable skill.
If this is true, show us the “research”. I think we need to understand that sabermetricians have biases too and it shows up in how they chose to use certain variables or not, and how much weight they give to them.
The definition of repeat is: “To do, experience, or produce again”. We can see that by the plain meaning of the word, what you say can’t be true. If it were, then no player would ever make a clutch play more than once, much less multiple times during every season.
How do we explain Mariano Rivera? He repeatedly executes in the clutch, regular season and playoff, season after season.
February 27th, 20094:46 pm
MFin04 What are you talking about? Mike had a WHIP of 1.18 last year which is not bad for a closer at all, So how do you figure he walks a lot of guys. Oh, and timthebrave, I think MFin04 is a girl, so why would she want to see Hooters girls?
February 27th, 20094:47 pm
Someone might want to look it up somewhere (I’m trying to finish a story), but I heard Andruw is 5-for-5 with five strikeouts this spring….DOB
That’s correct. He was 0 for 3 with 3 strikeouts before today and today against the Cubs he’s wearing an 0 for 2 collar with 2 strikeouts. Has not hit the ball this spring.
February 27th, 20094:48 pm
Lew, we are surrounded by those of superior intellect! We must be old has beens. Heck, if I was a horse, they woulda shot me already.
Last time I went to the doctor, he told me my Whip was whupped, and that my OPS+ was flat.
February 27th, 20094:49 pm
Once again, kirknga with his familiar refrain- I have yet to see you back up your repetitive claims that Garrett Anderson is “clutch”.
Where’s the beef?
Here’s a guy for ya…
Is he clutch?
Shane I think batting average might be one of those stats that might matter a little bit. You wouldnt a guy on your team batting in the cleanup spot with an .173 batting average would ya?
February 27th, 20094:50 pm
As far as Gonzo is concerned this is pretty much the only number that concerns me: since 2005 he is 43 for 45 in save oppertunities.
February 27th, 20094:51 pm
Wayne, I believe Shaun has been out recruiting.
But thats exactly the point. Its not clutch because he does it everytime wether its against KC in March or the WS in October.
Winning teams basically lead the league in two categories every year On base percentage and Slugging.
You see the object of baseball is to not make an out. Guys like Francouer make em in spades. thats why he is a losing player who couldnt play for certain teams (Like the Red Sox) Where guys like Youkilis dont make outs. You see this helps the team win, when you dont make outs. Like Francouer does over and over and over again.
February 27th, 20094:52 pm
If his OPB was .400 i wouldnt care less.
February 27th, 20094:53 pm
Oh Manny, where art thou?
February 27th, 20094:54 pm
Correction…Andruw is now 0 for 6 with 6 strikeouts…..I LOVE THIS GAME!!
Go get me some beets you idiot
February 27th, 20094:55 pm
I give up. From this point forward, I will not engage those of superior intellect. I know my place. I am comfortable there.
February 27th, 20094:56 pm
You see this helps the team win, when you dont make outs.
Need to work on your condescension a little, not quite thick enough yet.
Andruw is now 6 for 6. Geez!
February 27th, 20094:57 pm
That’s what chipper told us. He worked out all winter with Andruw and Frenchy and indicated that AJ didn’t really look any better, but Francoeur looked great.
So far so good on the first part of that equation. The jury’s still out on the second part, obviously. Hopefully he’s as right about Francoeur as it appears he was about AJ.
Wow someone mentioned Bill James!
Has anyone ever heard of him?
He works for the Red Sox?
Does he know anything about baseball stats?
Do you think he likes ERA, saves and RBI? Bet he does but he will say he doesn’t…
February 27th, 20094:58 pm
Can the Andruw saga get any stranger? It is truly a sad situation for our once beloved CF’er.
Wayne, have you ever heard of Bill James?
Us guys in the blog need to be introduced to these new baseball guys….
February 27th, 20094:59 pm
Really fun game to watch. McFann, I took many pics. If any turned out OK, I’ll send ‘em along.
Nice to meet you, DOB.
If Brandon Jones shows off big time this spring, who will be threatened the most? Garret A or Frenchy?
February 27th, 20095:00 pm
Stop the in love with Gonzalez crap. The only reason he actually became or closer is because Acosta and Soriano got hurt. His perfection numbers werent even with the Braves…they were with the Pirates…he was 14 of 16…big deal…that really isnt dominant stuff. that would equal out to 42 of 48…which isnt that bad…but it isnt terrific. He also had games..that he came in when we were down…and would give up 2 or 3 runs. It isnt just about save appearances. It is about every time you go out there and pitch. Also..his blown saves were closer towards the end of the year…which means as the season progressed he got worse…which could translate into him being worse now.
Wayne in Utah (12:48 pm): “Actually, I hope he never signs. I hope the selfish you know what and his money grubbing agent lose their shirts on this one.
I have no patience or need for somebody who would lay down on his team, just to get a better deal. I just hope he gets what he deserves.”
Who you talkin about, Wayne?
Babe Ruth in 1919?
Or Joe Dimaggio in 1938?
Or maybe Curt Flood in 1970?
Your accusations above are equally valid to all three, you know.
Yer just a hater, Wayne — plain and simple.
PS: KC: “Does anyone know if today’s game is on local radio (in ATL)?”
Here’s the braves.com radio broadcast schedule.
PPS: WiU — Barbara Streisand??? I take it you mean “Barbra”, but have no idea how so. What do you mean?
You want clutch on Garret Anderson, how is this for clutch, in the past 3 years he has come up to bat with bases loaded 43 times and has driven in 38 of those runners with a .372 batting average and a .956 OPS. That isnt clutch? He also has a .300 batting average with runners in scoring position for the past 3 years, not too bad either. You can gauge how clutch a person is by the number of runs they drive in in close and late situations.
Didn’t he have a band in the 60’s and 70’s?
February 27th, 20095:02 pm
I don’t know why the Braves haven’t signed Ohman for a million but I would sure hate to think we had wasted that million on signing Andruw Jones. And I heard 50 people on this blog say, “what could it hurt to sign him”. You don’t just throw money away in any successful business.
BTW, Mariano Rivera is not a clutch performer. He’s simply the best closer in the history of the game.
February 27th, 20095:03 pm
——- OPS WHIP are very important. Wins RBI Batting Average not nearly as much. ——–
OPS and WHIP?!@?!?!? Holy I love the 90s! 1997 called and they want their “cutting edge” stats back. Hate to break it to you but there are much more telling stats than OPS and WHIP. Sabermetrics has advanced a long ways from these stats you find so important. Seriously, I feel like I just went back in the time machine and happened upon a message board argument from way back in my college days. Thanks for the flashback. It’s hilarious to hear someone say how dare you use those primitive counting stats, you should be using these primitive sabermetric stats.
I hope the Braves hire Chipper to be hitting coach some time…and Smotlz, Maddux, or Glavine to be a pitching coach. Wouldnt that be cool.
February 27th, 20095:05 pm
Chop Chop…you are the only one to describe Anderson’s number’s as “not bad”. Of course, this misses the whole point which is the Braves as a team were bad in those situations and so his acquisition is going to improve the team if he performs as his 15 year record says he will. That’s the point that important, what it does for the Braves.
But you just put Anderson’s numbers up there label them “not bad”, but you don’t provide any other data. Why is that? We’re supposed to take your word for the matter? Don’t think so buddy, you’re great, but I disagree with you on this one.
Some players perform better under pressure, we know that. We don’t need an equation to “prove” it to us. Sometimes you really can trust your own eyes.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan….first, that is exactly what someone said and I was responding to him, so you’re wrong, someone did say it.
The idea that it is a singular and discrete “skill” is in itself the problem. It is not a skill. Player are not asked to do something in the clutch that they aren’t asked to do throughout the game. An exception would be closers in baseball, but only because they enter games late.
So there is no such thing as a “clutch skill”, there is only performance in clutch situations. I think you were touching on that point so we can agree there. As far as picking All-Time great, well that’s the point! That’s part of their legacies, their ability to hit, pass, catch, kick, run, throw, make a pitch, get a hit, defend the goal, make a goal, make a putt, when that is what;’s needed to win a game.
So stop with this “skill” stuff(the other guy, not you). There’s only hit or no hit, catch or didn’t catch, made the pitch or fail to make. Throw in stealing bases, and those are the only “skills” in baseball.
By the way, trying to diminish Tiger Woods record based on his performance his first time back from a long injury absence seems really weak to me.
Thanks! Can’t wait! Glad you got to see a good game. This season, I hope to see McCann get a hit while we’re at a game. Been a couple years since I’ve had that thrill…at least the Braves have won most of the games we’ve attended the past few years.
February 27th, 20095:07 pm
Here are his numbers for Sept.
Sept. Totals 12innings….8 runs….4hrs…7bbs…20ks….5.84 ERA….7 saves 2blown saves…what a closer
MFin04, do you watch baseball at all? I mean, the guy just came back from Tommy John surgery in Mid June and saved 14 out of 16 games. You say he was progressively getting worse by the end of the season? hmmmm, lets see, the guy just had TOMMY JOHN SURGERY!!!!!!!!!! You think he was at full strength at the end of the year after just coming back from a year of rehab??? What is it with you? If the guy goes out there and saves 50 games this year you still wouldnt be happy. I feel like you have a personal vendetta against him or something
February 27th, 20095:08 pm
Sorry for misspelling Barbra (Bull) Streisand ($hit),which is what I attach to your comparing Babe Ruth, Joe D and Curt Flood to Manny.
If you don’t see the difference, I sure as heck am not going to debate it with you. As thick skulled as you seem to be, I don’t have a prayer to try to convince you of anything (not that I am much different)
And there you go with that “Hate” word again. Are your like some of the folks on my TV, who want to lump anyone who disagrees with them as “hate mongerers”.
I don’t hate Manny. I really don’t know of anybody I hate. I hate injustice. I hate this recession. I hate oppression. I don’t hate Manny.
I just hope he gets what he deserves, whatever that might be…..
February 27th, 20095:09 pm
Been reading the ole blog. The ignorance of some people on here is truly amazing.
As to Andrew’s issues, I hate it. The guy did a great deal for the Braves back in the day b4 he totally lost it.
G. Anderson…is going to fit in nicely with the Braves…high average guy…who will drive in runs with runners on. Id much rather have that…then a guy batting .220 and hitting a lot of homeruns that cant field.
You would really have issues with our closer saving 42 games? What would be acceptable to you? Considering we had 26 saves as a team last year I would gladly take 42 of 48 this season. You would seriously rather have Acosta or Soriano close games for us?
February 27th, 20095:10 pm
What kind of information can you give us about Diory Hernandez. If i remeber correctly, he had a pretty decent season out in the AFL. Does he have any type of future with the team?
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