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Buffalo NY Braves Fan
February 25th, 2009
5:27 pm
I know I’m taking lunch tomorrow when Hanson takes the mound.
SP
February 25th, 2009
5:27 pm
Couple other interesting notes on the BA Top 100:
The 5 Braves in the top 100 was tied with the Rays for 4th most of any organization behind A’s/Rangers (7) and Marlins (6). But by original organization, Braves were tops with 8 in the top 100. I also noticed Tyler Flowers came in at #99 so in addition to the 8 DOB mentioned above that would seem to make 9. Not sure how they figure it but it says an awful lot about our drafting.
There were also some interesting questions posed in the Top 100 chat with John Manuel and Jim Callis. Highlights among the answers: Hanson has a true ace ceiling, Rohrbough projects as a solid #2 or #3, Heyward can be a franchise player, and Schafer’s suspension did not directly affect his rating (though the missed time and slow start may have). No real surprises there but there was a very interesting question asking if the Tex trade never happened would the Braves have the deepest farm system in recent memory and Manuel’s answer confirms it would have to be one of the best ever.
Chop Chop
February 25th, 2009
5:27 pm
I don’t, Original Jon.
It’s all in the eye of the beerholder.
Original Jon
February 25th, 2009
5:32 pm
Beerholder, i like that one.
Tripleplay
February 25th, 2009
5:33 pm
Buffalo,
Cool to see another upstate NY Braves fan on here, don’t see many fans near me. I am about an hour south of you.
mbatl
February 25th, 2009
5:36 pm
“I also noticed Tyler Flowers came in at #99 so in addition to the 8 DOB mentioned above that would seem to make 9″
SP, Braves didn’t draft Gorkys, so if you’re counting top 100 drafted by the Braves, he wouldn’t be in the mix. That’s why it’s 8, not 9.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
February 25th, 2009
5:37 pm
SP,
Not sure if he was included in the group that DOB listed or not. Gorky Hernandez was acquired via trade, so if you go by original organization he would have to go back to the Tigers, same with Maybin from the Marlins who you mentioned had 6.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
February 25th, 2009
5:38 pm
Tripleplay,
Where abouts? Elmira? Geneseo?
richbrave
February 25th, 2009
5:39 pm
lET THE LOSING BEGIN. omg, THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING. oUR HEROES TAKE IT ON THE CHIN FROM THE PUNCHLESS tigers. tHIS SETS THE TONE FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON. wE MAY AS WELL MAIL IT IN. wE’RE DOOMED TO FIGHT WITH THE nATIONALS AGAIN FOR LAST PLACE.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
February 25th, 2009
5:41 pm
Richbrave,
did you save that just for unlucky “page” 13? It fits so well……
Anyone care that A-Roid homered today in ST? Think he’s still on the Juice because of it? haha…..
richbrave
February 25th, 2009
5:42 pm
Nope. Beautiful downtown CLARANCE. Oops. Careful there.
YoungBuck
February 25th, 2009
5:44 pm
DOB, do you think that the Braves are mor likely to start the season will a 12 man pitching staff or an 11?
richbrave
February 25th, 2009
5:51 pm
12 -12. They’ve got mound unknowns coming out of their ears.
President of Matt Diaz Fan Club
February 25th, 2009
5:53 pm
This is probably way off subject – but has anyone else been less then impressed regarding the photography coming out of spring training from the AJC and to be fair: MLB.com? And I’m simply referring to the lack of quantity, and in some cases quality. You’d think Braves camp (dark-star or whatever you guys are calling it) would be over-saturated with pictures, especially online. Instead, its just the opposite: why?
Chop Chop
February 25th, 2009
5:53 pm
I think A-Rod’s on the juice because he’s a lying SOB.
richbrave
February 25th, 2009
5:54 pm
Everytime I see GENESEO I think of CREAM ALE. KILLA’
Tripleplay
February 25th, 2009
5:54 pm
Corning/Bath area
Tripleplay
February 25th, 2009
5:55 pm
Richbrave..Cream Ale almost killed me in the 80’s. Can’t believe I survived drinking that stuff!
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
February 25th, 2009
5:56 pm
Tripleplay,
I have a friend from college who lives out that way…. yankee fan though *pukes*.
richbrave,
You need to try some canadian beer if you think cream ale is good haha.
richbrave
February 25th, 2009
5:57 pm
Does anyone else dispise this format? Trying to read and follow a thread-line is a killer. Where’s that GENESEE CREAM ALE. I got a head-ache.
richbrave
February 25th, 2009
6:02 pm
BUFFALO by any other name thy name is ROCHESTER(no JACK BENNY jokes please):
I’ve had plenty of LaBATTS BLUE. Not exactly sure the spelling is correct. Does that count? Loved a lass from ROCHESTER in my heyday. SWEET.!!!! Used to be some beauties in that town both inside and out.
Anders
February 25th, 2009
6:02 pm
Richbrave- Like I said this morning it’s liking blogging in a phone book.
TnBrian
February 25th, 2009
6:10 pm
I wish baseball was starting tonight because I’m getting a little sick and tired of the media claiming a certain someone is the new masia…please!
President of Matt Diaz Fan Club
February 25th, 2009
6:18 pm
According to the Orlando Business Journal:
“Central Florida’s unemployment rate rose to 7.7 percent in December, the highest level since August 1992 when the state and nation where going through another recession, according to statistics released Jan. 23 by Workforce Central Florida.” [I believe] Central Florida includes Orlando. So, why the heck isn’t there a decent photographer taking pictures of our beloved Braves? You’d think this would be one place someone with an inkling of talent could GET A JOB! The AJC and MLB either need to publish more photographs (that for whatever reason) aren’t being developed or they need to fire the guy/gal who’s been slated to take these pictures. If it’s the latter, whoever is employed to take pictures of the Braves is a sleep at the wheel! Or, sadly, the lack of pictures being published may just be some quasi effect of the recession economy. I’m just frustrated to be getting these crumbs they call spring-training pictures.
Original Jon
February 25th, 2009
6:18 pm
TnBrian What is a masia?
Lew
February 25th, 2009
6:19 pm
TnBrian-Masia? Take phonics, did we?
ease19
February 25th, 2009
6:20 pm
Original Jon – I think he meant messiah…
ease19
February 25th, 2009
6:21 pm
Oh god, my first smiley
TnBrian
February 25th, 2009
6:22 pm
Original Jon, a savior from the heavens would be how I would define it. Might not be 100% correct on the definition, but it’s close enough.
Example: Some think Cal Ripken, Jr. is the masia of MLB.
Tomas
February 25th, 2009
6:22 pm
DOB, how good an arm would you say Schafer, and Heyward have comparing it to Frenchy’s? Or is it not comparable yet?
One thing Josh Anderson lacks off defensively, is a good arm. He has a lot of range, but a Juan Pierre type arm judging by the few throws he made last year.
Original Jon
February 25th, 2009
6:22 pm
Ahhhhh, ok, lol, that makes more sense. I was thinking, Man, is there some new lingo i dont know about yet? I was worried for a second there. lol
President of Matt Diaz Fan Club
February 25th, 2009
6:24 pm
TnBrian – You know that the little red/scraggly line, located underneath your typed word(s) denotes that your syntax is incorrect, at least according to this software’s spellchecker program?!?!
TnBrian
February 25th, 2009
6:25 pm
Lew, sorry we all can’t be a spelling genius like you. Aren’t you the one from Vermont? Wow, must have a lot of time to kill doing you’re blog overview in such a BORING state.
MattyRoss
February 25th, 2009
6:30 pm
TNBrian – You’re comback realy got him there. Your the smartest guy on the blog.
GT
February 25th, 2009
6:31 pm
Lets temper the notion that 5 players on the BA Prospectus means we’re stacked for the future. I’m as excited as anyone about some of the players in our pipeline. But please don’t confuse this prospect list with being assured our future lineup will be the 2012 All Star team.
Its irrelevant how many former Braves are on this list. If they’re not in the organization now, they’re not going to help us in the future.
The Braves have 5 current players on tihs list. The average per major league club should be 3. I think its great that the Braves have two player more than the average, but that doesn’t really mean we have 2/3 more talent waiting in the wings than your average club; it means this publication decided to list 2 more players from the Braves farm on this peice of paper than their next best alternatives. Its not like the Braves organization composes 20% of this list.
I haven’t seen the list, but I wonder how other organizations stack up.
Just injecting a little more realism here, from down here on Earth.
And please don’t turn on Hanson the first time he gets knocked around – be it in tomorrow’s exhibition, or in a game that matters. It will happen at some point. The way some people speak of him on this forum, anything less than a 300-0 career for him will be a disappointment.
I’m as hopeful about his future as anybody. But he has yet to throw a pitch in major leagues. So lets cool the smack and hype about his position on some list, and enjoy watching him progress his way into the rotation (and hopefully to the top of it) over the next couple years.
ease19
February 25th, 2009
6:32 pm
Masia is a spanish farmhouse and actually, “Yes, ” I did look it up. I was curious.
Chop Chop
February 25th, 2009
6:33 pm
Hansen is are masia.
Print it.
TnBrian
February 25th, 2009
6:33 pm
MattyRoss, I’ll admit that I’m not the best at this internet fighting crap. I’m more of a face to face fighter. I think I can get my point across a little better that way.
BravesFanChris24
February 25th, 2009
6:34 pm
Saw the results, didn’t look that bad at all. It’s only spring training, no need to throw in the towel yet -_-
Glad to see Schafer apparently has a nice arm. I hope he’s playing tomorrow’s game. I’m gonna be DVR’ing it.
David O'Brien
February 25th, 2009
6:36 pm
Ian Curtis, I overlooked Tyler on the list, and they only traded him this winter. So that’d be nine current or former Braves prospects in the top 100. Wow. That’s pretty impressive.
CVBRAVES: just a typo on Chipper. He’ll play tomorrow in the home opener, barring something unforseen.
OK, time to take a sunset ride back to Orlando. Actually, sun’s about gone completely. But it’ll be nice anyway.
TnBrian
February 25th, 2009
6:36 pm
I have a feeling that the misspelling of the word “masia” wasn’t the only thing that got some of you mad. My 6:10 post might aggravate some as I can tell.
keylargo
February 25th, 2009
6:40 pm
A. Jones – 0 for 2 with two strikeouts and 3 men LOB.
pryguy
February 25th, 2009
6:41 pm
Feels good to have the young guys battling and seeing Jordan play real well. Not a bad thing to have competition within our outfield, that’s for sure. Also not a bad thing there is so much depth within the pitching staff and outfield. Things have seemed to work itself out at the end of this offseason. I’m really liking what the Braves have assembled….not much different from any year of getting ready for Braves baseball. Well done Frank, Bobby etc….
Anders
February 25th, 2009
6:44 pm
TnBrian – masia, messiah – Doesn’t matter. David Wright answers to either one.
President of Matt Diaz Fan Club
February 25th, 2009
6:44 pm
Hey guys – the only person with the “messiah” complex is DOB. Have you read his Blog protocol: “We talk Braves, baseball in general, other sports, music, movies, BBQ and whatever else (except politics). “ First off, how does he define politics? I know its cliché and boring, but the word “political” is ALSO defined, along with its common meaning: the science or art of political government, AS: the science or art of political government.
Moreover, if your usage of the word “political” is in the vernacular common to people who work in a professional environment for a living, you know that it is all to common to refer to a [power-play] or a boss/ a coworkers [actions] as quote on quote “political”. My point, we have been discussing politics on this blog since its very inception because DOB threads dictate that we do. Think about it – what is going on in the front office i.e. Wren’s drama, Liberty Media, etc is very much political. I feel better now!
President of Matt Diaz Fan Club
February 25th, 2009
6:47 pm
I know this is becoming confusing, but this is the definition I was getting at: use of intrigue or strategy in obtaining any position of power or control, as in business, university, etc.
Bay Area Steve
February 25th, 2009
6:48 pm
Hansen is are masia. Print It.
Chop Chop, well done, sir. Bubdylanesque.
Anders
February 25th, 2009
6:48 pm
Where’s Lee Harvey Oswald when we need him?
President of Matt Diaz Fan Club
February 25th, 2009
6:53 pm
“I don’t know why you are treating me like this. The only thing I have done is carry a pistol into a movie.”
~ Lee Harvey Oswald
ugacpa02
February 25th, 2009
6:54 pm
GT – First off, not surprising a tech guy doesn’t understand rankings. First you want to have alot of guys on it and even more important you want to be near the top. So the braves have 2 of the top 5 players, meaning baseball america does think they are going to become stars. Also the Braves have 3 more on the list, as you said, enough to be an average collection of talent by themselves.
I guess I understand why a GT guy might not get it. This list is like recruiting rankings. Yes it may not mean the team with the most listed players or those with the highest rankings will ultimately dominate the game. However, it’s obvious to anyone with a brain that having 2 of the top 5 is better than not having them. Having 5 of the top 100 is better than not having them.
As to why it matters that many others on the list are ex Braves, it’s because it shows we have a good organization at drafting and developing minor league players. We had stagnated for awhile in the late 90s but we’re back with a vengance.
cityofdecatur
February 25th, 2009
6:55 pm
Buffalobrave when you come to Atlanta from Rochester. The only way to describe the location is 58 miles se of Toronto across lake Ontario Never mention NY or Buffalo to southerners they scrunch up there nose and forehead. Can’t help them selves I hear the Red wings are affiliated with Twins now. Still have my knot hole card stashed somewhere. Haven’t seen the new park. I went to the old one on Norton Street many a time. Fact when i was in grade school (Eisenhower was the pres) Openning day tickets were an excuse to miss school. Ah the days of Leave it to Beaver. Enjoy the f….in. snow No shovelling for 35 years thanks for the flashback.
BravesFanChris24
February 25th, 2009
6:57 pm
DOB
Do you know the bullpen lineup for tomorrow’s game?
President of Matt Diaz Fan Club
February 25th, 2009
6:58 pm
I’m going to be taboo here: I wonder if the recession economy + increased spending by the Braves will work? I hope this isn’t too “political”?
tr
February 25th, 2009
7:00 pm
TnBrian
It’s all cool. I understood and was not offended. And I completely agree about the WBC. Except maybe for the occasional Moylan, what’s the point?
TnBrian
February 25th, 2009
7:03 pm
Anders, well, he is good, but not the MESSIAH. I’m not sure who gets on my nerves more, you or Lew. Man, that guy is either very arogant or just doesn’t like the name Brian, because this isn’t the first time he’s chimed in and bashed my posts. Oh well, he’s a Bravos fan, so he does have more baseball sense than you Mutt fans. You’re alright though Anders…sometimes.
cityofdecatur
February 25th, 2009
7:03 pm
Did you just mention Genesse Cream Ale. Flashback complete . Senior day at Kroger gonna go save some money! enjoyed the first day of the new year.
Chop Chop
February 25th, 2009
7:06 pm
Oh, that wacky A-Rod…
But Rodriguez’s home run was overshadowed by his departure. The New York Post spotted him being picked up in a burgundy SUV by Yuri Sucart, the cousin who has been identified as the person Rodriguez claimed had injected him with “boli,” the street name for the steroid Primobolan, over a three-year period from 2001-03. Sucart has not spoken with reporters since he was named in connection with Rodriguez’s steroid use.
It was a brazen act, under the circumstances, for Rodriguez, who is still waiting to be questioned by Major League Baseball investigators in connection with his steroid use. That interview could take place any day.
TnBrian
February 25th, 2009
7:07 pm
If O’Brien reads my post from earlier, he’ll more than likely sit me in the corner, so I’ll shutup in the name of Braves talk.
18 Wheels of Love
February 25th, 2009
7:08 pm
I think that tattoo DOB mentioned on Schafer about scars, might say “Chicks dig scars”.
TnBrian
February 25th, 2009
7:26 pm
18 Wheels Of Love, yeah, but they don’t dig arrogance. Schafer apparantly has cooled off on the “I’M SO AWESOME” attitude he had this time a year ago, so I’ll assume he got that tattoo awhile ago….if that’s what it says.
ease19
February 25th, 2009
7:27 pm
President – I think that politics is left off the menu because whether you lean right or lean left has no relevance on whether you are a Braves fan or a Mets fan (which I think is a mental disorder). This is generally, yes, generally a baseball blog and I just don’t think that someone’s political view should be aired out on this particular blog.
TnBrian – I was not offended either, I just wanted to know what the word meant…Obviously everyone knew you were talking about David Wright…Ha another joke on Anders!
And for those who like to bash Anders…just picture him like the poor kid down the street who likes to come over to your house and play because you have all the nice toys.
Bubdylan
February 25th, 2009
7:33 pm
“Hansen is are masia.
Print it.” -Chop Chop
Laughed out loud. Really nice.
pepe le pu
February 25th, 2009
7:46 pm
OHMANNNNNNNNNNN OHMANNNNNNNNNNNN OHMANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN GOD pleaseee enlighten FRANK “signing joke” WRENNNNN to pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee get WILLYYYYYYYYY back on the freeekinggg rosterrrrrrrrrrrr I BEGGGGGGGGGGGGG youuuuuuuuuuuuu please DOBB Call Ohman and tell him we are begging him to come back home! And call Wren as well and tell him what u are hearing here in the BLOG!!! }}
World Peace is only possible if WILLLLLLLLLLL OHMANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNn OHMAN THE MAN! signs with DA BRAVOS!
18 Wheels of Love
February 25th, 2009
7:47 pm
I was kidding about the chicks dig scars…it doesnt say that.
But you know what, if I had abs like Schafer, I’d be telling you all about them every day and posting links to my website showing them off.
Bryan
February 25th, 2009
7:52 pm
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1881350-1,00.html
Damn good article
ease19
February 25th, 2009
7:54 pm
pepe – was that really necessary? seriously?
spotts
February 25th, 2009
8:00 pm
yea pepe….you really kinda screwed page 14 of the blog
Couch Tater
February 25th, 2009
8:00 pm
Chop Chop
Boggling the boy in the burgandy barge would brazenly “boli” the buttocks of that blowhard.
Ba da bing, ba da boom.
Lew
February 25th, 2009
8:22 pm
TnBrian-Mad because you mispelled something? Dude, you are entirely too thin skinned. We were joking with you. Don’t get your jockies in a bunch. As for Vermont-yes, the peace and solitude leaves me plenty of time to do my job-painting pictures, or look out the back door at the deer and wild turkeys. Everyone should be lucky enough to live here like I do.
Moby Grape
February 25th, 2009
8:24 pm
didn’t see anything, but if Schafer continues this type of performance this spring, he’ll be the opening day CF against Cole Hamel —GETNATHAN
I doubt that very seriously, even if he makes the squad which I also doubt..but somewhat less seriously. Gee am I serious or what?
But I’m willing to bet that he won’t start the first game against Cole.
tr
February 25th, 2009
8:24 pm
Bryan
Wow. I get the feeling that it won’t be long before we find out who the juicers were – when they start dropping like flies, dying from all sorts of hideous cancers!
Cherokee
February 25th, 2009
8:33 pm
NOLIE-from last night. Good question. Chipper might be lucky to hit .280 this season after being 25 and 50 points over his career average the last two seasons. What goes up must come down. Probably everybody else is thinking ..340 this season.
bravesfan54
February 25th, 2009
8:36 pm
Steve 97060 – We like Anders. Leave it be.
18 Wheels of Love
February 25th, 2009
8:40 pm
How about my Gamecocks beating UK 28???
Major block party!
18 Wheels of Love
February 25th, 2009
8:42 pm
16 blocks. Patrick Patterson looks like a AAU player tonight. Unreal.
dogsbrekky
February 25th, 2009
8:53 pm
Had a great Italiano dinner tonight in NYC, I’m looking good though
(or so all the old ducks in NY tell me)
Tommy Hanson t’row………. Schafer will rock again
“PARTY on WAYNE”
President of Matt Diaz Fan Club
February 25th, 2009
8:58 pm
dogsbrekky – where did u eat?
dogsbrekky
February 25th, 2009
8:59 pm
BASSO 56′
Italiano between 8th and Broadway
I like everything though
President of Matt Diaz Fan Club
February 25th, 2009
9:01 pm
Never been, but it sounds great. I love NYC.
President of Matt Diaz Fan Club
February 25th, 2009
9:07 pm
Random question – but does anyone know what ever happened to Mark Wohlers? Also, have you all seen East Bound and Down? hilarious! More importantly – has Rocker seen it?
dogsbrekky
February 25th, 2009
9:11 pm
Wohlers had or has an anxiety disorder and sort of disappeared a long time ago, nice man, and I hope he is doing well… just no sliders.. EVER
spotts
February 25th, 2009
9:11 pm
ouch….I’m sure it’s been mentioned but I just saw that GA made $12.6 million last year. Quite a paycut
Couch Tater
February 25th, 2009
9:20 pm
Bryan @ 7:52
Thanks for the link. You may want to read this one if you haven’t.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/03/11/steroids1/
Jarryd
February 25th, 2009
9:32 pm
Awesome article Bryan. Thanks for the link.
Bubdylan
February 25th, 2009
9:49 pm
Hello?
Couch Tater
February 25th, 2009
9:54 pm
Bub,
It’s the dude at the top of the page that keeps staring and smiling. Scaring people off.
Jarryd
February 25th, 2009
9:59 pm
is this thing on?
Bryan
February 25th, 2009
9:59 pm
Thanks, that’s a good article – though i think it drifts into hyperbole just a bit. It describes as some kind of freekish circus show . . . but thats not how i remember it . . . i think the Sosa/McGuire/Bonds home run chase was a gross spectacle – but how many championships did those dudes win. Ok, this article is a joke – but this guy, this scrawny, scrappy dude has something those roidin bombers don’t . . . a championship.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/turns_out_craig_counsell
Bryan
February 25th, 2009
10:01 pm
. . . i meant to say . . . describes baseball as . . .
Bryan
February 25th, 2009
10:02 pm
i meant to say . . . it describes baseball as . . . sorry
Bubdylan
February 25th, 2009
10:10 pm
Couch Tater, I never thought it was a scary picture till the blog got all quiet and strange-feeling… then I scrolled up and really looked and, yeah… that bartender from The Shining is definitely serving DOB some swanky drinks…
Bubdylan
February 25th, 2009
10:22 pm
Bryan, good stuff. That Bob Uecker “quote” was hilarious.
Jarryd
February 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
DOB, ever listen to any Tab Benoit? Great blues from ’round LA way.
Bubdylan
February 25th, 2009
10:25 pm
Okay, apparently we’ve had an alien attack and Jarryd, Bryan and I are the only dudes left to populate the Earth. I’m headin’ over the Jane Austen blog to see what gals are left….
dogsbrekky
February 25th, 2009
10:28 pm
We’ve got nothing to fear
In the end the rain comes down
In the end the rain comes down
Washes clean the streets of the
“BLUE SKY MINE”…………
Danga
February 25th, 2009
10:31 pm
Oh man I am cracking up over here…First that onion article and then that Jane Austen post. Funny stuff.
18 Wheels of Love
February 25th, 2009
10:36 pm
Washes clean the streets of the blue sky town.
Love the harmonica on that one.
Here are two of my fav’s:
Dreamworld
Sign says honeymoon to rent
Cloudland into dreamland turns
The sun comes up and we all learn
Those wheels must turn
TIn Legs and Tin Mines
Cry in the hope that there’ll be tomorrow
Waiting around there must be a time
Time to start thinking and working it out
Come with me now, with me now, we’ll be laughing
Who’s running the world today
I’m gonna wait till they knock on my door
I’m gonna wait till they dig up the floor boards
Poland in Disneyland, wet dream control
Super computer, the new contraband
I’m gonna wait, we must make a stand
come with me now, stand with me now one more time
dogsbrekky
February 25th, 2009
10:39 pm
18 Wheels – yeah that prick company killed my old (Mesothelioma)
………… Great Aussie song but !
dogsbrekky
February 25th, 2009
10:40 pm
sorry meant they killed my old man (dad)
tumbleweed
February 25th, 2009
10:42 pm
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