Griffey’s gone, so now what?

Lake Buena Dark Star, Fla. – OK, so where were we? Before the blog got hijacked by controversy and confrontations, I believe we were talking about … oh, I don’t even remember.

Did I mention that to get to the AJC rental unit here in picturesque Kissimmee, one must drive down highway 192, past Seven Dwarfs Lane, past Medievel Times and turn right at the massive Wal-Mart? OK, just making sure.

We should have a get-together by the lake behind the house, the lake with the “Do Not Feed The Alligators” sign, which beneath that top line has this “All small animals must be on leashes.” (We’re not making this up, by the way.)

Those who’ve lived in Florida know what that’s all about. When I lived down in South Florida, you’d hear about gators lunging out of the edge of a subdivision pond and eating some poor old lady’s little dog like you or I would eat a french fry.

But anyway, the outfield.

Oh, wait: Tom Glavine’s contract is supposed to be finalized Friday morning. But the lefty won’t be in camp until about March 1. Doc Andrews told him it’d be best to stay on pace with his throwing program another week in Atlanta, away from live batting practice where he’d be tempted to raise the intensity level and get hitters out a week or two before he’s at that point in his program.

So he’ll aim for getting in games late in the first week of March and being ready for the regular season, but won’t need to be activated as fifth starter until April 19, the first day the Braves need that last man in the starting rotation. Works out perfectly for Glavine coming off elbow and shoulder surgeries.

Now, the outfield: Perhaps you’ve heard the Braves tried to sign Ken Griffey Jr.? The old “Kid” returned to Seattle to be adored by fans of a lousy team three time zones from his family, a team that plays in a great ballpark in one of, to me, this country’s three most beautiful cities (others: San Francisco and San Diego.)

The Braves say they’re going to give the kids a long look this spring and a chance to fill the center- and left-field openings before deciding whether to pursue another veteran outfielder via trade or free agency.

That means at least four left-handed-hitting youngsters are going to get consideration: Jordan Schafer, Josh Anderson, Gregor Blanco and Brandon Jones. Matt Diaz is penciled in as the right-handed hitting half of a left-field platoon.

If I had to guess, knowing the Braves would prefer the highly regarded Schafer at least a little more time in the high minors at Triple-A Gwinnett, If that’s the case, Josh Anderson must be considered the favorite for center, with Brandon Jones getting a shot at earning the left-hitting part of a LF platoon.

Not to say Blanco and Schafer won’t be in the mix this spring because they could be. But the Braves would really like to see B. Jones fulfill his potential after a lackluster ‘08 season when he showed flashes of brilliance, but not much in the way of sustained production. He’ll get a chance to win a job.

Schafer might just have too good a spring to keep off the roster. But its worth reminding that Josh Anderson has blazing speed and no options The Braves need his speed. Did I mention he’s out of options?

If Anderson is in CF, the Braves could use Omar Infante in a CF platoon (Anderson hit .341 in 91 at-bats vs. righties, and .200 in 45 at-bats vs. lefties), unless Anderson shows he can hit lefties closer to the way he did in the minors than what he did in the majors last fall.

But if Anderson platoons, they’d obviously have to have someone else bat leadoff vs. lefties.

If Anderson’s in CF, Brandon Jones could get a shot at platooning with Diaz. Blanco hit nearly 100 points higher this winter in Venezuela than his .251 average as a Braves rookie in 2008. But I don’t know, barring injury, how much shot he has at making this team. I could be wrong, of course.

“I think we have a variety of guys that can add something to the equation, whether it’s speed, defense, [power], or all-around play,” Braves general manager Frank Wren said. “Each of the guys who will be out there competing adds something a little different, which is all positive for us. I think at the end of [the spring], it’ll be a decision about who adds the most in that role.”

All Braves outfielders hit just 27 homers last season, worst in the majors. Their .367 slugging percentage was also the worst among major-league outfields, and their only outfielders with at least 350 at-bats had puny slugging percentages: Jeff Francoeur (.359) and Blanco (.309).

“I truly feel that as bad as were last year, we’ll be good this year,” Francoeur said. “I’d sure like to think I’m going to hit more than 11 homers this year.”

Frightening stat: Francoeur (11 homers) and Mark Kotsay (3) were the only Braves oufielders with more than three homers in 2008.

One more almost unfathomable number: Anderson led Braves outfielders with three homers after the All-Star break, despite playing only 24 games after the break. Francoeur had two in 244 at-bats after the break.

“SWEET JANE” by Lou Reed

Standing on the corner, suitcase in my hand
Jack is in his corset, Jane is her vest
And me, I’m in a rock’n'roll band
Ridin’a Stutz Bearcat, Jim
You know, those were different times
Oh, all the poets, they studied rules of verse
And those ladies, they rolled their eyes
Sweet Jane, sweet Jane, sweet Jane

I’ll tell you something, that Jack, he is a banker
And Jane, she is a clerk
And both of them save their monies
And when they come home from work
Ooh, sittin’ down by the fire
Oh, the radio does play
The classical music, said Jim, the `March of the Wooden Soldiers`
All you protest kids, you can hear Jack say, get ready

Sweet Jane, come on, baby
Sweet Jane, sweet Jane

Some people, they like to go out dancing
Other peoples, they have to work
Just watch me now

And there’s some evil mothers
Well they’re gonna tell you that everything is just dirt
You know, that women never really faint
And that villains always blink their eyes
And that, you know, children are the only ones who blush
And that life is just to die

But anyone who ever had a heart
Oh, they wouldn’t turn around and break it
And anyone who’s ever played a part
Oh, they wouldn’t turn around and hate it

Sweet Jane, sweet Jane, sweet Jane …

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1,261 comments Add your comment

Coxlover

February 20th, 2009
12:38 am

Wow, I’m surprised DOB is still awake. He’s had such a long day.

Oromus

February 20th, 2009
12:43 am

“Oromus, Grammer is your friend. Do yourself a huge favor and avoid any room with a “SAT Testing in Progress” sign on the door. We must establish a minimum level of competence for Tim Hudson sycophants.”

You may want to learn how to spell “grammar” before correcting peoples grammar. lol…

Steve McP

February 20th, 2009
12:43 am

Hey DOB – is this a proper working blog? It has been really hard today trying to find out what has been happening with the limit of 100 posts, which takes up no more than a couple of hours.

MiamiBrave

February 20th, 2009
12:43 am

thanks DOB

take it easy brother

Andrew

February 20th, 2009
12:45 am

who else is giving us blogs at 12:45 in the am…dob’s the man…haters myswell just bounce

Iron Giant

February 20th, 2009
12:47 am

Can someone give a poster who missed most of the afternoon a quick summary of the Hudson thing? The random deletion of posts throughout the day has made it all but impossible to catch up on otherwise.

Coxlover

February 20th, 2009
12:47 am

DOB, I’m sorry if i was too harsh to you today. I was just upset but I’m over it now and ready to move on, as I’m sure you are as well.

Oromus

February 20th, 2009
12:48 am

Seriously DOB, did You and Hudson actually have an altercation today? You don’t have to give details, but, it would at least be nice if we knew we weren’t arguing over something that never even occurred.

A FAN

February 20th, 2009
12:48 am

DOB what clubhouse confrontations?

The_Superhoo

February 20th, 2009
12:50 am

i agree with Steve McP….hard to see what was written when you can’t see past 100 posts. if something goes down, it might get pushed off the limit by people commenting on it…

johnbama

February 20th, 2009
12:51 am

I think that Frenchy is correct. He is very talented and for all the love and hate from the Brave faithful about him he will be an above average right fielder this year. Break that down as you may. Would love to see the speed of Anderson in the outfield and as much as I would be happy if Brandon Jones stepped up I am much more intrigued by Schafer in left. The Angels do not have a prolific offense but a vastly superior offense in creating runs. Spead with a little power can kill. If you add the legs of a Schafer and Anderson to the lineup (maybe a combined 50 stolen bases and speed to score from first on a double) I really think that the offense would look completely different than it did last year.

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
12:51 am

Andrew You are welcome here. But, I didn’t want you to think that I didn’t realize that you aren’t new to the blog.

David O'Brien

February 20th, 2009
12:52 am

Oromus, it was nothing more than raised voices. And I, for once in my life, actually was the calmer of the two. Anyone who knows me would find that hard to believe, but it’s true in this instance. Really.

But it was nothing more than raised voices, and mine really wasn’t raised much at all. Lasted a few minutes, nothing more.

This, too, shall pass.

Alright, since I got three hours sleep last night and have been working for about, oh, 33 of the past 39 hours (sleeping, driving and watching Office and 30 Rock re-runs broke up the work marathon), I think I’ll go to bed.

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
12:52 am

Hudson Ferry Spelling is your friend. Do yourself a huge favor and avoid any room with a “SAT Testing in Progress” sign on the door. You must learn to spell “grammar.”

Andrew

February 20th, 2009
12:52 am

N8

February 20th, 2009
12:53 am

DOB

It appears that if Schafer has a monster spring, and the thought that he would play CF, that the “odd” man out is B. Jones (barring him having a monster spring as well).

With Anderson out of options (and probably the better “leadoff” hitting option, he might be the better option for the LH half of the LF platoon.

Of course, if it is that combination (Schafer in CF, and Diaz/Anderson in LF), who bats leadoff when Diaz plays? Certainly not Diaz.

I would think that Bobby would like to keep KJ and Escobar in the SAME batting spot, rather than have them “sometimes” acting as the leadoff hitter, huh?

I guess in a PERFECT world for me, the following happens (assuming no outside OF’s are brought in).

Schafer plays damn well in the spring, winning the CF job and bats leadoff. Brandon Jones wins the LH half of the platoon spot in LF and Francoeur does enough to show he might be ready to be the RH hitting clean-up hitter to sandwich in between Chipper and McCann.

Leaving Anderson to be traded for whatever we can get for him.

After all, Blanco (if he’s still around), could be the emergency 5th OF waiting at AAA to come up and fill in, and bring the “speed” factor to the table.

But with 4 young guys without a ton of experience, who the hell knows how it will unfold. Could go a 100 different ways.

They could all stink and force Wren to trade a top prospect for something. Maybe Campillo and Buddy pitch well enough for somebody like the Yankees to give up Nady for one of them (if they have an injury to one of their rotation guys).

Perhaps Diaz stays healthy and wins the EVERYDAY LF job, like the plan was last year.

Like I said. Could go a number of ways. IMO, competition is good.

Should be a fun spring. Barring you don’t get beat up.

Lightweight

February 20th, 2009
12:54 am

Dave, Tell us that you did not get intimidated by a 170 lb, disabled list lingering, emaciated bully??

Tell Timmy to get his scrawny arm off of the trainer’s table and start to contribute.

johnbama

February 20th, 2009
12:54 am

DiamondbackMac….I am new here….love me too?

Lightweight

February 20th, 2009
12:56 am

Sorry!! I know how to spell “grammar” and FERRY. It’s been a long day, especially for guys who pick their spots.

gotigers72

February 20th, 2009
12:56 am

Methinks Schafer shows out in the spring and ends up in left ie center. Probably platooning with Diaz in left. A good way for him to break in.

What’s the word on Ohman. Haven’t heard much on him. Did he sign with someone else or is he still unsigned? Dude needs to be a Brave. Lights out on the field last year, would probably be better this year ’cause the innings eaters will keep him from having to pitch every other day. Besides, I would miss his craziness/sense of humor.

johnbama

February 20th, 2009
12:57 am

BOB…your opinion….do you like or think the young guy route is the best possible scenerio for the Braves right now. I know there has been talk of a Nady or a Swisher (who I think would be a better pickup than most). Either way, is a Jones or Schafer platoon with Diaz in left with Anderson in center a positive and productive way to go?

What is the vibe in the clubhouse about the young guys….I know it is early….very early….and how the could be factors this season offensively.

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
12:58 am

johnbama I don’t remember saying anything about love, just welcome. Of course, in the platonic sense, I love all Braves fans.

Andrew

February 20th, 2009
12:58 am

i want schafer to step up and win the job…more exciting to see a top prospect thriving in the bigs..

N8

February 20th, 2009
1:01 am

gotigers72

Very good point about Schafer in LF as the LH half of the platoon. Never really thought of that. I guess because DOB said he’s the better (actually he said he’s a really good CF – I’m just assuming he’s the better option defensively over Anderson), I just assumed that if he played it would be in CF.

But as I recall, it was obvious how good of a CF Andruw was gonna be, and he started in LF his first full season in 97 because Lofton was here.

I could see Schafer being the LH half of the platoon with Diaz, but playing CF and bumping Anderson to LF when he’s in the lineup. Then when Diaz playes, Anderson would be the CF, allowing Anderson to be the lead-off hitter (assuming he gets on base enough), and utilizing his speed at the top of the order.

Sounds good to me. Let’s play ball!

Bubdylan

February 20th, 2009
1:02 am

Holy Moses! I had no idea Josh Anderson’s lefty-righty split was like that. That almost seems like good news, if we can afford a double-platoon outfield.

nolie

February 20th, 2009
1:03 am

I wonder if Huddy is pissed at AAron for calling Grif and telling him to sign with Seattle, and if so if he’ll have the balls to call him out on it next time Hanks strolls through the clubhouse?

TnBrian

February 20th, 2009
1:06 am

N8, you pretty much wrapped up all of the OF questions this team has right now. It can go so many ways, it’s almost impossible to predict what young players will do, until we see it live. Patience…

Coxlover

February 20th, 2009
1:08 am

Nolie, I think Aaron tried to get Griffey to come to Atlanta if i’m not mistaken.

Rusty in ATL

February 20th, 2009
1:08 am

Sure is nice to have some baseball to talk about. Whether you like the moves or not, the Braves have gone out and deliberately sought to change the results on the field by bringing in new players. I imagine there are a lot of fans in places like Pittsburgh and San Diego that wish their ball clubs had done the same. The Braves are likely to be better this year than they were last. Will it be good enough to make the playoffs? Time will tell. For now, everyone is in first place!

As far as the Griffey fiasco goes…two sides to every story.

For Griffey…if he let the actions of a newspaper beat writer dictate the fact that he is 4,000 miles away from his family instead of 400, then he has to be one of the most selfish people I know. He is a husband and father before he is a baseball player, and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt that he did what was best for his family, and him.

For DOB…everyone needs to just calm down a bit and let the dust settle. It is horrible to work in an environment where people jump to conclusions and react without taking time to think through it. I have worked for and with people like that (as I am sure many of these bloggers have) and it is bad. If O’Brien indeed jumped the gun, let him and AJC work that out. Anytime you are criticized, whether deserved or not, it is a good chance to evaluate yourself and see how you can improve. Bottom line is, DOB had his reasons for reporting the story, he is a grown man, and let’s let him decide how to respond and what changes to make, if any at all. He does an exceptional job covering the Braves, and I would dare say a lot of other fans from other teams would like to have as much insight into that Braves locker room as we get through DOB.

As for Hudson…I am glad that our ‘ace’ (even though he is injured) had a little fire in his gut. Maybe he overreacted a bit…jumped the gun, whatever. Bottom line is this blog has been full of overreactions and gun-jumping the last few days. Let us lay off Huddy. He’s gonna be fine. Besides, he is a grown man as well, and I am sure if some words of reconciliation need to be offered between him and DOB – from either side, it will happen.

GO BRAVES!!!

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
1:08 am

I am not going to be Hudson’s apologist but…….from the sketchy facts I’ve been able to gather about the incident he did the same thing as about 30% of the bloggers here. He wanted to blame someone for his disappointment and frustration and DOB was handy. Of course, he blamed the wrong person and he probably realizes it by now. I would hope that he’s man enough to apologize.

Andrew

February 20th, 2009
1:10 am

anyone ever have the mlb extra innings package?

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
1:12 am

Rusty in ATL As for Hudson…I am glad that our ‘ace’ (even though he is injured) had a little fire in his gut. Maybe he overreacted a bit…jumped the gun, whatever. Bottom line is this blog has been full of overreactions and gun-jumping the last few days. Let us lay off Huddy. He’s gonna be fine. Besides, he is a grown man as well, and I am sure if some words of reconciliation need to be offered between him and DOB – from either side, it will happen.

Looks like we came up with the same thought at the same time.

Andrew

February 20th, 2009
1:14 am

Hudson is doing this because he’s letting managment know that this team is not content on throwing the same outfield out there this year..my thoughts anyway

BA

February 20th, 2009
1:18 am

NOLIE: I heard it was the other way around, that the Hammer WAS recruiting for the Braves.

Anyway, now that the Everyman has spoken, it sounds like much ado about nothing- you know, Yahoo needs pagehits too.

So back to a popular pasttime- arguing with N8!

I actually like Anderson, in center to start the year. You lead him off and live with his defense, because while his power is non-existent, he hits .300 everywhere he’s played.

If Schafer lights up the international league for a month or two, maybe you move Anderson over to left with Diaz. But I wouldn’t lead Schafer off, and I don’t think Cox would either- not a rookie that’s never led off. Maybe Anderson and Johnson/Escobar the days Diaz starts.

I think Blanco has a better shot than most people think, because Cox won’t forget that the kid played hard all year long, an awful year at that. And those winter league numbers are sexy.

I hadn’t thought of Infante platooning, DOB. But they should him in the lineup if they can.

johnbama

February 20th, 2009
1:18 am

I am glad in many ways to see passion of that kind (Hudson) coming from Braves players. DOB I am not glad that you were the brunt of it but it is a good thing to see.

Diamondback….love you too….in that Brave kind of way.

What do you guys think….Anderson platoon with Diaz in left…Schafer in center or the other way around?

Cherokee

February 20th, 2009
1:18 am

Where did all these new people come from all of a sudden, and why are almost all of them morons?

uga-brave

February 20th, 2009
1:19 am

uga got a special treat tonight,

sitting at CHOPS tonight after a long day, my two favorite bartenders, michael and chris told me that there was a dooley coming in.

met vince and sonny seiler before, no huge deal.

so sitting there when michael puts down a martini and waves and low and behold vince is sitting next to me.

after being polite for all of about one minute, i told him about the two worst beats in sanford stadium when i was there.

of course it was david shula’s last second drive on labor day in 1985.

then the bad L.S.U. beat in 1998.

the pass that went off rodney hampton’s facemask at the twenty.

told him about ex- players i know like steve harmon, knox cullpeper, larry brown, etc.

tom donaldson ex rod squad QB.

VINCE WAS A PRINCE.

Rusty in ATL

February 20th, 2009
1:20 am

DiamondbackMac, has anyone ever told you that you are a wise and perceptive individual…and that your thought processes are beyond most mere mortals?

BA

February 20th, 2009
1:22 am

Oh, and N8- I like Carlyle and Campillo. But even if one of them went 10-2 by the Break, you wouldn’t get Nady for one of them.

nolie

February 20th, 2009
1:23 am

BA–OK. The story that I read said that both Mays and Aaron called him and spoke about “legacy”. Since there would be no legacy involved with his coming to Atlanta I thought it meant he was telling Jr to go back to Seattle. I must have missed the ones that were more specific.

Rusty in ATL

February 20th, 2009
1:26 am

Holy cow UGA Brave…I will never forget that LSU game, but wasn’t it in 1987? I met Coach Dooley a couple of years later and I asked him if he would have gone for the tie if we got to fourth down, and I will never forget what he said in that southern drawl…”Absolutely NAWT, son!”

PTBNL

February 20th, 2009
1:26 am

David said that Blanco ran out of options last year. That is why he “won” a position last year. How would he be “waiting” in the minors?

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
1:28 am

Rusty in ATL Not that I can remember, but the 70’s are pretty much a blur. Might have something to do with the drugs. :)

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
1:31 am

Rusty in ATL Of course, even through this alcoholic haze, I realize that you were complimenting yourself while complimenting me.

Rusty in ATL

February 20th, 2009
1:33 am

Well me either, DiamondbackMac! Just checking. But, I was in elementary school in the 70’s…
At any rate, I do agree, obviously, with your remarks. There have been times in the last 20 years when I really wished the Bravos would have shown some fire in their guts. I remember guys like Russ Nixon…he managed with a chip on his shoulder. And Otis Nixon…will never forget the night he beat the living daylights out of that Phillies pitcher for hitting him! We need that kind of emotion in the locker room. It is good for the soul!

BA

February 20th, 2009
1:34 am

Any chance Van Wieren gets the itch and makes a Favre-esque comeback?

Andrew

February 20th, 2009
1:36 am

long drive wayyy back..braves win!!

BA

February 20th, 2009
1:36 am

Right on, Nols. I can’t remember where I heard/read that, but my mind is automatically programmed to filter the reputable stuff from the stuff like “Talking Chop”. Personally, I wish the Hammer would just put the phone down and fix Francoeur. I can’t believe Frenchy wouldn’t listen to HIM!

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
1:42 am

Rusty in ATL My favorite example of a player with fire. (Nolan Ryan not Robin Ventura) Of course Robin was fired up too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzhFtOR4zmg

uga-brave

February 20th, 2009
1:42 am

DOB,

dont laugh, i kinda called it when he was overstrider, well whatever that is.

if FRANCOEUR actually has opened his stance and learned to push his hands back, watch out.

you heard it here first, big season.

i always questioned his so called sense of entitlem

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
1:44 am

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
1:45 am

Billy (Braves fan in 585)

February 20th, 2009
1:45 am

N8 I love your break down of the outfield possibilities. Forgetting Griffey (dear lord, everyone needs to let this go) the different scenarios that could arise are making Spring out to be a lot of fun. That’s why we watch this team. Because baseball is fun. And that’s why we post on this blog too, because its fun. We like to converse about this team that gets us all fired up. Therein lies my belief why the angst against DOB was so unnecessary. He helps provide all this fun for all of us and when you get down to it, what else can we ask? Lame soap box rant… over.

Anyways, back to the OF. I would like to see Anderson in CF every day, no matter who else gets up with the big club. That’s how he’s going to become the lead-off/everyday CF I hope he is. If he flickers out, well, Schafer may be the guy. Again, we don’t know, so its going to be a great time seeing what happens.

uga-brave

February 20th, 2009
1:47 am

random, BA, nollie,

put uga on record on francoeur having a big year.

Bubdylan

February 20th, 2009
1:50 am

uga-brave, not sure if you meant to type “big ear,” “big rear,” or “big tear,” but you typed “big year.” Not trying to be a spelling nazi, just alerting you…

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
1:53 am

uga-brave put uga on record on francoeur having a big year.

I think he may have turned the corner. Good year (he may be a little cautious) not a big year.

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
1:55 am

He did back down on arbitration so I think the cautious attitude may have already begun.

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
1:57 am

I have always believed that he has the porential to become a great player. TRULY GREAT.

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
1:57 am

that should be “potential”

N8

February 20th, 2009
1:58 am

BA Agree about Campillo and Buddy.

I guess I was thinking that if the Stanks had Burnett or CC go down in spring training, they might be desperate for a guy that could eat some innings and be willing to have a deal center around one of those guys (along with other prospects), without having to give up a guy like Medlen.

For the most part, I just meantioned Nady because he’s been bantered about so much. But was more or less thinking of any other (insert name) OF with more experience than our quad of youngsters, that one of those guys (Buddy or Campillo) might fetch from a desperate team.

Try and argue with me all you want, but I agree about Infante needing to get some regular AB’s and if Anderson is the leadoff hitter, he could certainly be the LH half of a platoon with our backup CF, Omar Infante. Though it’s a small sample size, Infante hit .333 in 8 games as a leadoff hitter last year, (but he’s batted just .235 batting leadoff for his career – 81 games).

So he’s probably NOT the option there. THAT being said, in 123 AB (51 games) last year, against LH pitching, he hit .325 with a .363 OBP.

Combine that with Anderson as the other half of a platoon, along with come combination of Diaz & Schafer (you’re right – again, sorry to disappoint you and agree with you – he’d be better served to be brought along slowly NOT in the leadoff role) or B. Jones, and we COULD have a platoon in both CF and LF and make it work.

Bobby seems to be good at putting guys in position to succeed (which a platoon DEFINITELY does for young guys), and if we can’t find a viable everyday guy for either position, then this might be the best temporary option.

If (BIG if’s), Chipper stays healthy, McCann continues to be the middle of the order guy he’s been, Kotchmann looks like he did in all months except August, and MOST IMPORTANTLY Jeff Francoeur rebounds, the LF and CF spots won’t be that important, IMO.

Only if those guys fail to produce (be it from injury or just stinking it up), will the youngsters be asked to carry more of the load, thus making Wren a bit more desperate to make a move.

I said it before the Griffey nonsense (though I was VERY excited to have him as the LH half of the platoon), I’m OK with these guys to start the year, unless they all stink in spring training.

Who knows? Maybe this is the year that Francoeur or KJ has a Ryan Ludwick type of year? Could happen.

N8

February 20th, 2009
2:01 am

BA, forgot to add that I hear somewhere today (can’t remember where – been listening to too much crap on various online radio stations), that while The Hammer initially was trying to persuade KGJ to come to Atlanta, that he eventually agreed with Willie about “legacy” and what not.

The radio guys (I think it might have been Krasnick (sp) from ESPN on Buck and Kincade), didn’t neccesarily say that Hand TOLD HIM to go Seattle, but that he understood the thought process.

N8

February 20th, 2009
2:02 am

I’m out for the night (maybe back LATE tonight), I borrowed all 5 seasons of “ALIAS” from my mom’s collection and started watching them last night, so I’m off to fire through another disc.

l8r.

uga-brave

February 20th, 2009
2:02 am

rusty,

all i remember about that game was tommy hodson coming down the field and ben smith pretty much dismemebering him.

mike archer was rhe l.s.u coach then and he went after ben.

there was never a two point conversion on us. at least i dont think.

l.s.u. was up huge until we ran a double reverse to cacisuus osbourne.

#24.

remember that guy? or chuck carswell, or ben smith?

remember MO LEW, best outside blitzer i ever saw. sure there are a couple of jet’s fans that remember morris lewis.

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
2:05 am

N8 No if’s about it, McCann is and always will be a rock.

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
2:15 am

Sports Illustrated swimsuits on TNT. Thank you Ted!

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
2:16 am

Am I the only one here?

Rusty in ATL

February 20th, 2009
2:21 am

UGA Brave I remember the game quite well, and all of those names. Of course, John Thomas, I think it was, dropped a wide-open TD in the end zone at the end of the 3rd quarter that would have certainly changed things for us. The final score was 26 to 23 LSU. We were within 10 yards of Kasay field goal range, although Chris Crumley was not in Dooley’s doghouse yet. so who knows who would have tried a potential tying field goal. Of course, Coach made that a moot point, saying he wouldn’t have gone for the tie…like Pat Dye!

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
2:25 am

<——Bama fan

uga-brave

February 20th, 2009
2:25 am

rusty,

dead on about thomas and crumley.

Rusty in ATL

February 20th, 2009
2:27 am

Another devastating loss…not in Dooley era…was 1992 to Tennessee…34-31. Gosh, that game summed up the Goff era. Win that game, and Ray is still our coach probably. That was Heath (the Democrat) Shuler’s coming out party. Incidentally, it was also Phillip Fulmer’s coming out party. Johnny Majors was recovering from heart surgery and Fulmer was the interim coach. Lots of history here for the younger denizens to absorb.

Of course, all this talk of losing has me depressed. How about some great wins between the hedges….my personal top 5…in no particular order…

2004: LSU 16 UGA 45
1991: Clemson 12 UGA 27
1990: Alabama 16 UGA 17
1987: Kentucky 14 UGA 17
1982: Clemson 7 UGA 13

Chop Chop

February 20th, 2009
2:29 am

This damn “wipe out the posts” stuff makes me a little reticent to type anything lengthy…

I gave you some props earlier today, uga-brave. Looks like you are absolutely on target about the Braves not raising payroll this year. We’ve got Glavine coming in for $1 million this season (incentives deferred to some future date) and no free agent or trade-added outfielder signed to any kind of a deal. Looks like the payroll will be down from last season.

DiamondbackMac

February 20th, 2009
2:37 am

G’night and God bless.

uga-brave

February 20th, 2009
2:42 am

rusty,

you are obviously a kindred spirit..

us real dawgs, heck i went to tempe last year, and my buddy that flies for UPS has already set us up in stillwater.

so i will be there when oklhoma state is in the top ten.

we will drop them. long live the sec.

boise state wandered in to athens, blow out.

georgia went out to arizonia st. blowout.

okkie state wandered in two years ago blowout.

georgia will walk into stillwhater and will blow those guys out.

uga-brave

February 20th, 2009
2:54 am

bubdylan,

aint kidding, i really believe it.

you can get off the floor now.

i have been his biggest critic. got a hunch.

it is live or die for him.

gotta a hunch he will tear the cover off the ball this spring. you heard hit here first.

really believe if he cocks his hands back watch out.

Zach

February 20th, 2009
3:11 am

is it just me, or does it seem like B.Jones could care less what happens to him. Every time I saw him on tv last year he face just looked like he could care less less if he was playing baseball or sitting in my living room watching the game with me.

BA

February 20th, 2009
3:13 am

I marked you down, UGABRAVE.

A big year. Hands back.

Sir Stealth

February 20th, 2009
3:28 am

Thanks for the 12:30 a.,m. post, DOB – to hell with the haters – I’d hope that doesn’t include Hudson, but I’ll try to side with reasonableness every time, Braves player or not, and I just don’t see any argument for him whatsoever. Disappointed with a lot of people when it comes to the Braves matters right now. Hope you keep up the great work though and ignore all the B.S.

BA

February 20th, 2009
3:42 am

The Teflon DOB

Epinephrine

February 20th, 2009
5:04 am

Huddy’s an idiot. I honestly find it to difficult to emphasize with a player too stupid to grasp even the most simplistic of ideas.

Ritchie from Scotland

February 20th, 2009
5:17 am

looks like Hudson believes too much is what is written. Surely it’s obvious now to everyone that Griffey only used us (used again this off-season, there’s a surprise) to get a better offer from the M’s and that’s what happened. I have faith in our youngsters, they are more likely to have the drive to play better than Griffey and lets face it, our defense will be better.

Mark Windsor

February 20th, 2009
5:35 am

the outfield looks like alot of platooning…this can keep some hitters from ever hitting full stride during a season..it concerns me never liked platooning to much…noe the whole outfield out side of frenchy is a daily platoon…

Mark Windsor

February 20th, 2009
5:49 am

I think by seasons end if hudson returns he will be best pitcher we have I hope he does and we fix his contract to stay around for awhile as well hem a great guy..He is the type to come back from this type arm surgery with success..he has what it takes..we really have a good lookn pitching staff this season qwhat if we had signed Smoltz, Hampton as well there would be too many questions..I think..Right now outside of Glavine it looks pretty sure thing..now that hitting..we got great defense up the middle..Frenchy is so important…wow hope he doesnt flake out…

David O'Brien

February 20th, 2009
7:00 am

Now that was some welcome overnight chatter. N8, Rusty, uga-brave, et al, great to read entertaining posts again. But uga-brave, I wouldn’t be betting on a blowout of the Cowboys out in Stillwater.

Sam 95

February 20th, 2009
7:16 am

Any chance the Braves might make a trade with the O’s for Luke Scott?

Robert

February 20th, 2009
7:18 am

Oklahoma State at Stillwater is a tough game, any way you slice it

Robert

February 20th, 2009
7:19 am

“georgia will walk into stillwhater and will blow those guys out”

Not

apowell61

February 20th, 2009
7:22 am

If the 5th spot in the rotation is supposed to go on April 19, the 12th game of the season, what order will they pitch in at the beginning of the season? 1-2-3 vs. phillies, 1-2-3 vs. nationals, 4-1-2 vs. marlins, 3-4-5 vs. pirates? Just trying to figure out who will be pitching at the home opener.

JW (non-Braves fan)

February 20th, 2009
7:29 am

I’m not a Braves fan, but I’m a baseball fan, so I’ll read about (and analyze) just about any story from any team.

The Griffey story obviously got big national media attention. But the overlooked story to come out of it, to me anyway, is why Wren wouldn’t pursue Garret Anderson or Jim Edmonds after being so interested in Griffey.

Statistically, I can’t see the logic; those two are equal or better than Junior.

I did a more detailed breakdown here, if anyone’s interested: http://mlb162.com/?p=65

Strange off-season for Atlanta gets stranger. Take solace, though… at least they’re not paying $24mil for 3 closers this year (ah, NYM – can’t even avoid a financial embarrassment with something as simple as stadium naming rights).

Thanks for your time…

Chopdawg

February 20th, 2009
7:34 am

Uh-oh…we’re talking about all-time UGA tuff losses & I got a few to add: how about two Clemsons in the mid-80’s, when they beat us on last-second FG’s both years, once in Sanford & once over there? I attended both those games & that game in Clemson was really bitter, we got a terrible call from the refs that led to a safety. That LSU game in Sanford was ‘87 or ‘88, we gave up a last-minute tipped interception in their territory, and we did flat-out drop a wide open touchdown pass off that double reverse. In ‘92, both the Tennessee & Florida games could’ve been won; if we’d won either game we’d have played in the first SEC Championship game in Birmingham.

Of course the tuffest loss of all was Auburn ‘05…CHOP

tr

February 20th, 2009
7:35 am

Seems like the new format reloads better when I make a comment.

Christian

February 20th, 2009
7:36 am

Yeah, it almost seems like Griffey played the Braves in trying to drive up his offer from the Mariners. I mean he was the one who contacted the Braves, not the other way around. So he isn’t happy with the sole offer he’s getting from the Mariners, turns to the only other logical team, the Braves, puts on an act of struggling with the decision, and then goes with the improved Mariners offer. Then he has the audacity to use the AJC article as a scapegoat to hide the fact that he toyed with the Braves the whole time. Seriously, if you’re willing to make such an important decision, and move 3 time zones away from your family, just out of spite for one stupid article, then you have serious growing up to do.

Efrim

February 20th, 2009
7:43 am

I think it would be better for Schafer if he started off in Triple A(where he has never played) and then moved to Atlanta by June or July. Remeber, the kid lost 2 months of development time last year and then got hurt in winter ball. Platooning him in LF doesn’t make sense to me. Even if you gave him spot starts in CF. If he makes the opening day roster, he should be starting in CF, but I really hope the Braves don’t rush him.

braves4ever

February 20th, 2009
7:51 am

David, good morning.
its a good day to see baseball,talk baseball
How has Shafer looked in live hitting? does he have poise? And what impression does Hanson leave with you.

Gil In Mechanicsville

February 20th, 2009
7:58 am

Christian… Right on Bro…

Steve from OH

February 20th, 2009
8:09 am

Efrim, I agree that platooning Schafer isn’t a good idea. Dude needs as many AB against lefties as he can get. I hope he’s the starter in center on opening day though.

Josh H

February 20th, 2009
8:23 am

I don’t think anyone mentioned it, but Happy Birthday to Brian McCann.

I only know this because we share the same birthday. Down to the year and everything :)

BB FAN

February 20th, 2009
8:24 am

DOB,

I’m really not sure what all the fuss is over. When I read the headline to the Griffey story, I’ll admit, I thought it was a done deal. However, As soon as I read the article, I realized it was just somebody close to Griffey saying he had chosen the Braves. It was the Headline that was VERY misleading. Not the story. Whoever wrote the headline is to blame. A headline saying “Could Griffey be coming to Atlanta?” would have been much less misleading.
But anyway, just thought I would give you an unbiased opinion.

TommyP

February 20th, 2009
8:25 am

Well, concerning uga-brave’s call of a blowout in Stillwater…it’s hard not to predict that when every time Georgia plays an out of conference team at the beginning of the year and it’s highly touted, it becomes a laugher.

Off the top of my head, we embarrassed Boise when they were the upset pick.
We went out to Arizona and didn’t have a tough time at all with them.
We had an easy time with Ok. State when they came to Sanford.
I remember a 31-0 victory over Clemson when it was supposed to be another Clemson upset.

Just saying, every time we have an inter-conference battle and the other team is supposed to pull the upset, it’s not even competitive for very long. (I got your back, uga-brave)

On to baseball….

In no way can I believe that the Braves are going to see if they can fill the LF void from within. It’s a great thing to say at this point but it falls in the category of comments that Bobby makes every spring concerning players in camp.

You’ll see the Braves monitoring spring training moves closely and then make a move based on that. Maybe a rookie from another team takes a starting position away from a vet and the vet becomes expendable. Something along those lines….

flange1

February 20th, 2009
8:26 am

Steve from OH and Efrim,

Y’all remember that Andruw started off for the Braves as a platoon guy in LF. I hear what you are saying about Schafer, but remember how Bobby is! He likes to platoon young guys to get then some positive experience against pitchers they don’t struggle against.

UNCBrave

February 20th, 2009
8:26 am

So FRANK WREN has NOT improved an OF that hit a MAJORS WORST 27 HR’s LAST YEAR? Also, rely on a rookie to hit for power that’s never hit MLB? Oh, I forgot, and hope Francoeur has a better year…

Not intelligent AT ALL when JIM EDMONDS is out there CHEAP!!

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