Griffey to Atlanta? Nevermind

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Lake Buena Vista, Fla. — Uh, oh.

Ken Griffey Jr. crushed the Braves’ hopes Wednesday night, and did a pretty good number on my evening, too.

Two days after Griffey told a close friend that he planned to sign with the Braves — which we reported in the AJC, to the chagrin of Griffey, his agent, and the Braves — the outfielder reversed course and decided to go to the Mariners, the team he played for during the first 11 seasons of his illustrious career.

It’s the fourth time in four months the Braves fell short pursuing a star they thought they had a good chance to get (including one, Rafael Furcal, they said they had an oral agreement with) and now general manager Frank Wren will have to look elsewhere to boost an outfield that had just 27 homers in 2008.

It was a stunning reversal for the Braves, after they read and heard many reports that indicated Griffey was going to sign with Atlanta to stay closer to his family in Orlando and play for manager Bobby Cox.

Braves players came to the ballpark Wednesday hoping Griffey might be suited up for their first full-squad workout. They’ll come to the ballpark Thursday morning asking what the hell happened.

“All signs are good,” third baseman Chipper Jones said Wednesday morning, but he was quick to add that he wouldn’t get too excited until Griffey signed on the dotted line. Previous experience this offseason had made Jones very cautious with his optimism. Smart man.

Jones had talked to Griffey daily for the past week and seemed confident he was coming to the Braves. “But I’m not going to smile until he’s signed,” Jones said, alluding to the previous times the Braves were jilted this winter.

Well, he’s signed. With the Mariners.

And for the past three hours or so, I’ve taken a beating on the ol’ blog here. Hey, bring it. I hear ‘ya and understand the passion. Your team has taken you on a rollercoaster of emotions a bunch of times this winter, but all in all, this isn’t nearly as impactful as, say, losing out on Jake Peavy or even Rafael Furcal, who’d have been the leadoff man the Braves lack.

Griffey was going to be a platoon left fielder, most likely. The Braves can still go get another free agent, like Garret Anderson, if they want to. Or suck it up and spend a couple extra mill, if necessary, to take on the salary of a Nick Swisher or Xavier Nady, giving up a prospect or two in such a deal if that’s what it takes, if that’s what they believe is really necessary to shore up this lineup.

In the meantime, here’s a response I had to one of the many scathing missives directed at me on the other blog tonight, before I posted this new one.

Occasionally you’re going to be castigated by angry fans for reporting something that doesn’t turn out as planned, and in this case what obviously makes it worse is published speculation at MLB.com that our story had something to do with Griffey’s decision.

And I’m not blaming Mark Bowman at all for writing it, because I was standing there today when Frank Wren said Griffey’s agent all but ended communication with the Braves right after our AJC story came out Tuesday.

But let’s be clear: What we wrote was a story that said Griffey told a close friend that he had decided to play for the Braves over the Mariners. We wrote it, because that’s what the close friend told our Terry Moore, who goes back a long way with them (Moore is from Cincy, like Griffey).

We did not write that Griffey had agreed to a contract, or that he’d even told the Braves he was going to sign with them. We wrote that Griffey told his good friend that he had decided to play for the Braves.

Now, as for the headline in today’s paper, I knew nothing of it until tonight, when someone at the paper informed me that it said “Griffey to play for Braves.” Folks, I’m in Florida, and I send my stories to the paper, not headlines. I have absolutely no control over headlines in the paper.

Far as I know, neither Mark Bradley nor I wrote that Griffey was definitely going to play for the Braves. Again, we wrote that he told his friend that he’d decided to play for the Braves. And that it looked like a deal would get done.

Now, if our story actually had any influence on Griffey’s decision, if Griffey is actually flighty enough to change such an important decision, to go play across the continent after telling others that he was going to play for Atlanta in large part because of the proximity to his family … well, then I’m flabbergasted.

If that’s actually the case. If he’d let his purported anger over that story affect his decision … well, that just seems a bit far-fetched to me.

Anyway, we wrote a story that said he’d told a friend he would be playing for Atlanta this season. Now he’s going to play for Seattle, and I’ll take a beating on the blog. But I’m a big boy. I can live with that.

If we’d written something that was erroneous, if I’d written that Griffey had agreed to terms with the Braves, that’d be one thing. We did not write that, at least I don’t think we did.

Anything I said on this blog the past two days, about how I still believed he was coming to play for the Braves, etc., I was giving you my opinion. I thought that was understood. This is a blog. I give opinions.

Again, I can live with the harsh criticism. Goes with the job, once in a while when something like this happens. Hopefully, just once in a great while.

Now, as I promised in this morning’s blog I would do if he changed his mind, here’s a new song for Ken Griffey Jr.

“GOING, GOING, GONE” by Bob Dylan

I've just reached a place
Where the willow don't bend.
There's not much more to be said
It's the top of the end.
I'm going,
I'm going,
I'm gone.

I'm closin' the book
On the pages and the text
And I don't really care
What happens next.
I'm just going,
I'm going,
I'm gone.

I been hangin' on threads,
I been playin' it straight,
Now, I've just got to cut loose
Before it gets late.
So I'm going,
I'm going,
I'm gone.

Grandma said, "Boy, go and follow your heart
And you'll be fine at the end of the line.
All that's gold isn't meant to shine.
Don't you and your one true love ever part."

I been walkin' the road,
I been livin' on the edge,
Now, I've just got to go
Before I get to the ledge.
So I'm going,
I'm just going,
I'm gone.

102 comments Add your comment

ellaguru

February 19th, 2009
12:17 pm

Anybody else follow college football recruiting? Lord, I hope not but I do and imagine this Griffey deal played out on message boards for about 6 months and involving 25 different kids. Oh, yeah, all of them 18 and BMOC all their lives. Predicting what they’ll do is pretty near impossible but that doesn’t stop the board’s bloviators from going nuts every time things happen a little differently than they figured. They can’t see one good reason a guy doesn’t want to play for their team and they list bullet points to illustrate. Turns out sometimes you just can’t dial in the diva factor correctly and off goes your corner prospect with the good hips to friggin’ FSU. FSU?! Are you kidding me?? God, I am still in disbelief. Urban, you can’t close worth a damn–the guy committed to us a year ago!

You get the idea.You just can’t see inside these guys’ heads. You can’t.

Gone Viral

February 19th, 2009
12:21 pm

Not to interrupt your nonsense ranting but we only missed the playoffs by 4 games in 2007. We were only one game worse than the NL Central division champion.

Also, we were upper half in attendance again last year.

Have you ever EVER considered thinking and/or researching before talking?

GSU-Lee

February 19th, 2009
12:21 pm

DOB

Why was Huddy mad at you? And who cares? I understand the fragility of your relationship with the team and also its importance to your job, but at the same time, he should not be mad at you for expressing an opinion.

timthebrave

February 19th, 2009
12:22 pm

DOB. I enjoy your articles and blog but I still say you messed up unless you never saw the headline to the article. More likely is you saw the headline and said….not what I would have said but “Oh well, let it run.” I’m not blaming you on the article or running Jr out of town but if your name is an article, then it’s your reputation on the line not the headline writer. On another note if they think Hanson is truly not ready then it makes sense to sign Glavine but why not give him a shot. It seems that everyone is saying that this guy is ready to go.

ease19

February 19th, 2009
12:22 pm

This blog used to be fun and entertaining but has now turned into nothing but irrelevant mindless babble. What happened to the music?

dogsbrekky (aka the loser who got the Griffey story effed up)

February 19th, 2009
12:22 pm

The Truth Hurts – Kawakami is tough, a real gamer with real talent

You will see mate….

I am willing to have a bet that he wins more games then the Mets and Phillies nos 4 pitcher if you like

Anders

February 19th, 2009
12:23 pm

Gibby- Yes I am. The Mets have Tatis in left against lefties. The rest will be Daniel Murphy who is just the kind of player you Braves fans love. I’m looking forward to seeing what this kid’s got.
No guarantees, but he has a patient bat and has been working his ass off all off season. He had a nice start last year. We’ll see.

BTW- Castillo reported to camp 17 pounds lighter and has been working out the whole off season in the DR. Drove two hours a day to make sure he worked out in the Mets facility in the DR. Reports are he begged Omar for his old job back. He is older and he does have health issues but he seems to be taking this very seriously which is refreshing. Plus Manuel has said he may bat Castillo lead off and Reyes 3rd – how ’bout them apples? Not sure if I believe Manuel but the order floated was Castillo, Beltran, Reyes, Delgado, Wright, Church etc..

OK – discuss. Someone needs to get you guys united against a common enemy again.

Original Jon

February 19th, 2009
12:23 pm

brave4eva How old are you? What like 5? 4eva? seriously? Maybe you should take your noob a** off this blog, 4eva.

GSU-Lee

February 19th, 2009
12:23 pm

Guy blogging as “DOB should be fired”

You are a tool and you just need to get off of the blog. you are wasting space with your unfounded and completley ridiculous comments. Quit talking down to people like your crap don’t stink.

Bobby's Belly

February 19th, 2009
12:24 pm

Back to baseball. We’ve always assumed it would be Schafer or Anderson. I’m excited at the possibility of Schafer AND Anderson. Let’s see if we can get a PTBNL for Blanco and roll the dice. 2009 has .500 written all over it (even had we got everyone we thought we were going to get.) This org. will be a force in ‘10, ‘11, ‘12.

brave4eva

February 19th, 2009
12:24 pm

Karma, shut the hell up. Do you honestly think that this is a race issue. It’s 2009, get with the time.

charliedawg

February 19th, 2009
12:24 pm

Were you people born yesterday? KG’s agent did his job. He got him a better deal at the place he wanted to play.

Griffey was not getting the deal he wanted with Seattle, so he starts flirting with Atlanta. Wren starts talks, bacause, you know, that’s his job. KG’s agent now get’s KG’s “friend” to say that KG told him he would love to play in Atlanta. AJC reports it, because, you know, that’s their job. Seattle sweetens the deal, and lo and behold, KG signs. Then he cries foul on the report, so he is not to blame and everyone still loves KG, his image is intact and is mad at the AJC.

Come on people, grow up! You honestly think he gives a crap about what’s reported in the AJC?

JDB

February 19th, 2009
12:24 pm

DOB – While I do think it was foolish to get so carried away with Griffey becoming a Brave before he signed, I can not put you at fault for what happened nearly as much as I can for Frank Wren.

Wren clearly has no business being a GM in the majors. If he could not even hack it for Peter Angelos and the lowly Orioles, what business does he have being with the Braves?

However, the problem with Wren being our GM lies even deeper within the organization – ownership. The Braves need an individual owner who will bring the passion to win back to Atlanta. The Braves will never become anything exceptional or build a dynasty as long as they are owned by a large media conglomerate. As much as I hate the Yankees/Red Sox, do you think they would have done what they have over the past 10-15 years and continue to spend money like crazy to win if they were owned by a large corporation? Enough said.

Patrick G

February 19th, 2009
12:25 pm

Enough is enough..on with the players who want to be Braves!

Original Jon

February 19th, 2009
12:25 pm

Hey DOB, I tell you what you should do, you should email all the people you dont mind blogging with a chat invite, and just talk to the people that actually know it wasnt your fault, let the losers sit on the sidelines and cry on the blog.

2Parc

February 19th, 2009
12:25 pm

DOB wishes he had the power of ‘let it run’. That’s called an editor.

Lew

February 19th, 2009
12:27 pm

DOB Must Be Fired-I don’t know how far heads are up a$$e$-Have you gotten past your lower intestine yet?

Crazy Double-A

February 19th, 2009
12:27 pm

Won’t somebody please let the pigeons loose?

Bravesgal

February 19th, 2009
12:27 pm

So, Anders, any ideas on how the Mets will choke this year?

braves4ever

February 19th, 2009
12:28 pm

Buffalo NY Braves Fan

February 19th, 2009
12:28 pm

Anders,

Was Castillo working out in the DR with A-Rod’s cousin?

Just asking…..

Robert in KY

February 19th, 2009
12:29 pm

Infrequent poster here. This is supposed to be a Braves blog (or at least that’s what I clicked a link to) notwithstanding the invasion by Muts fans like Anders and others. We can deride a beat writer for doing his job, whine about how bad we think the organization is OR get ready for the season. I’m choosing get ready for the season. We have 3 new pitchers, 2 of whom have been proven to log 200 or more innings per year. I have to agree with the Aussie bullpen guys, not taxing this pen so much will make it a GREAT bullpen. We’ve had teams in the past that had great starters and an iffy pen, now we have good starters and a great pen. The Braves WILL contend on the strength of our pitching staff as a whole.

Get over KGJ, Peavy, Furcal and Burnett. Like the team or don’t. It is tirsome to scroll through the junk to get to REAL Braves talk.

Keep up the good work DOB and lets see some optimism shine with the faithful.

mighty mike

February 19th, 2009
12:30 pm

First, I told my ten-year-old son the Braves had a good chance of bringing in Jake Peavy. No Peavy. Then I told him Rafael Furcal was coming back. No Furcal. This week I told him we could go watch Ken Griffey Jr. play left for the Braves. No Griffey. By all that is holy, DOB, do you realize how that undermines my credibility as an authority figure. What is he supposed to think when I warn him about the dangers of playing with loaded firearms. Would he not be justified in saying, “Yeah, right, dad. And Peavy, Furcal and Griffey Jr. are coming to Atlanta.” The ninth circle of hell is reserved for traitors and journalists who guess wrong.

brave4eva

February 19th, 2009
12:31 pm

Original Jon, your missing the point of a blog, and particularly this one. Oh and please make fun of my name that I meant to be stupid to heat up dumb-a$$ people like you.

Gibby

February 19th, 2009
12:31 pm

Ahh Yes the castillo in leadoff move would make me feel really good. I just don’t see it. While Reyes is a damn good SS he real value is in the lead off role, so if the Mets want to move him out of that and put him in a role I am not sure he is suited for, I would love it.
As for Castillo period it has been a year and a half since he was a top guy. The Mets would be better served having him hit 2nd behind Reyes than having castillo lead off
Murphy could be a fun hard nosed player but he is one without a real position since most of the time he played 2nd in the minors. He is about as proven as Anderson.

Gibby

February 19th, 2009
12:32 pm

Anders, by the way thanks for getting me to talk about something baseball. It is so much more fun than this bashing reporter junk that is happening right now

Geezer

February 19th, 2009
12:34 pm

Another golden moment in Frank “Can’t Close the Deal” Wren’s leagacy.

Chuck James was solid until the 6th!!!

February 19th, 2009
12:34 pm

First off say what you will, I could care less. DOB did his job and reported to us who nag (not me, others that I won’t mention) about information relentlessly when there really isn’t too much to update. So DOB goes out of his frickin’ way for all of us and gets a nice little talk with Chipper for us, a little inside scoop. Those qoutes were relayed here on the blog because that’s what we all want. Never did DOB say “it’s official” he said, CHIPPER said “It all looks good.”

It is what it is they didn’t get Ken Griffey, like Bradley said it ain’t like Griffey ‘95 ditched coming here. He woulda been great too watch on a weekly basis and he would have contributed, IF healthy. They will get someone better now, chill out and again give DOB a break. There isn’t any reason to give him any crap, I read like 3 comments and had to say this. Say I’m “kissing arse”, whatever, I am just saying relax. He works overtime and doesn’t have to do half he does on this blog but he does. Relax.

lexbrave

February 19th, 2009
11:37 am
i think it’s pretty sad that instead of bragging on wren for vastly improving our rotation by bringing in Lowe and Vasquez and Kawakami, bolstering our bench by resigning norton and bringing in ross, resigned a super utility man in infante, picked up apparently a couple of good lefties in the pen (good enough to not offer ohman a million bucks) and is in the progress of extending chipper and resigning glavine that the only thing people can focus on is how he couldn’t move the braves closer to maryland for burnett’s wife, or wouldn’t give up our entire farm system for peavy, our couldn’t make furcal’s agent act ethical or wouldn’t stroke smotlz’s ego so we could be without a starter till june.

come one people.. i get as pissed as anyone about how many times we’ve been embarassed this offseason, but the fact is, wren has improved our team from last season. isn’t that what should matter?

Amen to that lexbrave, people need to relax. I get the same way but when Wren makes his move and thinks don’t pan out, he’s proven he isn’t gettin played out. He gets angrier and he has shown some marbles this offseason. Not to mention he has shown wisdom in securing our “untouchables” which in the past, even Schuerholz would have baited one of the big ones for a Peavy. Wren said they’re “untouchable” and stuck with it and I commend him for that. When he takes care of his business because he seems like a competitive dude he steps up to the challenge when the pressure is on using level-headed thinking. Everyone will be happy with what he does and all will be even better in LF.

Lew

February 19th, 2009
12:35 pm

MightyMIke-I don’t know-maybe you should tell him nothing in life is certain except Death, Taxes and ML Ballplayers tending towards Prima Donnahood on occasion?

Daniel from OK

February 19th, 2009
12:37 pm

DOB…..I have read your blog for a long time. I live in Oklahoma but have plenty of family in Atlanta that turned me into a Braves fan when I was young. Anyway I have never wrote anything on this blog or any other blog but today that changes. I just want you to know I am on your side 100-percent. Your job is to get information and report it. Sounds like everyone in that clubhouse was convinced Griffey would be in Orlando soon and you had no reason to doubt them. You have broke hundreds of stories over the years using sources just like you got with Griffey’s friend. If he really changed his mind because of a newspaper headline then forget it! So DOB just know I support you and respect the job you do for all us Braves fans (even in Oklahoma). I will be looking forward to your next story just like I always have. Don’t let the players and other media get the best of you. YOU DID NOTHING WRONG!!

Signed,
Not just a fan but also a colleague

Original Jon

February 19th, 2009
12:37 pm

brave4eva It didnt heat me up, i just think youre an idiot, thats all.

Lew

February 19th, 2009
12:37 pm

Braves4Eva-You’re too young to cuss. Go wash your mouth out with soap.

mighty mike

February 19th, 2009
12:37 pm

My son already thinks Wheaties are loaded with steroids.

getnathan

February 19th, 2009
12:37 pm

Karma

I don’t live in Atlanta (yet) but I can definitively tell you that Atlanta is hardly a redneck town.

As for the African American players, there is a shortage among all of MLB, not just the Braves. A lot of the scouting over the years has gone to a lot of the Spanish Speaking nations and Japan, but I’m seeing a bit of a resurgence of African-American players (still a long way to go though).

timthebrave

February 19th, 2009
12:38 pm

2Parc. I know that DOB doesn’t have that power. I’m saying that if I wrote an article about my opinion and they had a headline stating it like a fact I would tell them to pull it. Especially on a big story. Instead of DOB saying…oops..I messed up he seems to be saying not my fault and it wasn’t a big deal because he would only be a part time outfielder anyways. Seems like an excuse to me. It doesn’t change my opinion that I think DOB is a good writer and enjoy reading his articles about sports and music; I just feel that he is being defensive as opposed to owning up. Just my opinion and maybe I’m taking it wrong

Anders

February 19th, 2009
12:38 pm

Gibby – I believe Murphy played 1st in the minors? He played 2nd this off season for a while with the Mets permission. I guess he’s trying to make himself as valuable as possible. Kid’s got a nice quiet patient swing. Might develop some pop too.

Roman Gal – I’m guessing you’d be happy if the Braves have an oppurtunity to choke rather than what they’ve had the last few years – no?

Buffalo Braves – I hope so!

Lew

February 19th, 2009
12:39 pm

Geezer-As long as it’s not FW’s wife telling him he didn’t close the deal, I imagine he’ll be all right in the long run.

cabravesfan

February 19th, 2009
12:39 pm

I’m just wondering if anyone who is blaming DOB or the AJC for Griffey’s decision has actually read what Griffey had to say about what swayed his choice…

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3918723

TDub

February 19th, 2009
12:39 pm

Here’s an idea. Anybody care about what’s happening with the team we do have today? Just asking.

And BTW, anyone who’s calling for DOB’s head, the next time you do something at work (assuming you work) that may even remotely be construed as having a negative impact on the company or someone in your office, I want you fired.

Bravesgal

February 19th, 2009
12:40 pm

A Mets fan talking smack? After the choke jobs of the last few years? Priceless.

mighty mike

February 19th, 2009
12:41 pm

But that’s alright, DOB. I’ll just tell my the Mariners promised Griffey an X-Box 360. He’ll understand that since I’ve been promising him one for a year now.

mighty mike

February 19th, 2009
12:42 pm

Lew

February 19th, 2009
12:42 pm

Bravesgal-Just par for the course here on the MIB/BBQ Blog. There’s usually a troll or two or just Anders making an appearance trying to convince us we should be afraid of the Mets and not continue to spank them in the season series year after year.

Gibby

February 19th, 2009
12:42 pm

Anders, don’t get me wrong I think Murphy, I thought he played 2nd but you would know better than I, will be a very good player. I think his long term role with the Mets will be as a utility guy. what I fail to see is how the national media loves the Mets OF situation so much. Beltran is great I will give you that but right and left leave much to be desired in my opinion. Church has value but is as injury prone as Chipper without the greatness.

Anders

February 19th, 2009
12:43 pm

This is supposed to be a Braves blog (or at least that’s what I clicked a link to) notwithstanding the invasion by Muts fans like Anders and others. – (Robert in KY)

You’re wrong. Look at the top of the blog it says

“We talk Braves, baseball in general, other sports, music, movies, BBQ and whatever else (except politics).”

I believe the Mets are part of “baseball in general”. Just sayin.

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
12:44 pm

DAP, dogsbrekky

The thing about minor league stats is that, for the most part, past performance suggests future results. (That’s why Frenchy’s very average overall performance shouldn’t surprise anyone; he did not consistently dominate the minors the way he did the majors when he arrived in 2005.)

Anderson has roughly 15 times as many plate appearances in the minors as in the majors. He’s set a pretty solid baseline of expectations. And those are for a speedy guy who gets on base a barely acceptable amount of the time for a leadoff hitter and has no power.

If the Braves had above-average production from the corner OF slots, a guy like Anderson could be a useful, complementary player. Since they may not (and that’s being generous), there’s a lot of pressure on Anderson to be a lot better than he’s shown.

Quint

February 19th, 2009
12:44 pm

let’s go back to middle school folks:

Fact: information that can be proven true or false
ex. Jack said “Griff told me he’s signing with the Braves.” That can be proven to be true or false. Not what Griff said, but that Jack said it.\
Opinion: statement that cannot be proven true or false, based on one’s thoughts or ideas
ex. “Griff is the best center fielder of all time.” You can not “prove” this to be true.

If TMoore says he was told by a family friend that Griffey said he would choose the Braves, then to Moore it was a fact, unless Moore is lying, which I don’t think he is. Now, the statement that Griffey would be playing for the Braves can NOW be proven as false, but not before he signed with someone.

Ya’ll get off of DOB. He has more journalistic experience and integrity than anyone on here who is not posting his full name and place of work. Anonymity is great, ain’t it?

Lew

February 19th, 2009
12:45 pm

Anders-Yeah, they’re a part of baseball-at least until the middle of September.

Bravesgal

February 19th, 2009
12:47 pm

Gotcha Lew. Anders, nobody is afraid of the Mets.

Original Jon

February 19th, 2009
12:47 pm

HAHAHA, Good one Lew at 12:45.

TommyP

February 19th, 2009
12:48 pm

Anders: I appreciate the baseball talk.

Consider me one of the fans that wishes the Braves were good enough to choke a lead away. Sure haven’t been lately.

It’s like the response I used to give Georgia fans that supported Jim Donnan. They’d ask, “What do you expect? To win the SEC championship every year?” My answer was, “I’d at least like to lose the SEC Championship ’cause at least it means we’re in the championship.”

Anders

February 19th, 2009
12:48 pm

Gibby – I don’t think the Mets outfield has been lauded at all. Left is questionable and Church has to prove he can stay on the field. I think what many miss is that even with those same problems last yaer they were right there at the end.
If their bullpen performed better they could have won the division or at least the WC. They’ve addressed the bullpen – guarantees nothing, but all things equal they have to figure they’ll be a least a little better this year. The Phils haven’t taken a giant leaps if any at all.

That’s how most are looking at it imo.

FEC

February 19th, 2009
12:48 pm

As pointed out by MB, there have been several this spring. OK…no “biggie”…I kinda feel bad for the GM…it is VERY DIFFICULT…in our day of techo-communications outlets to keep a “lid” on negotiations…”everybody knows somebody who knows somebody”…and “my cousin…”…you get the idea…Mr. Wren has probably spoke to Mr. Schuerholz about, “Now how did you say you got away with saying nothing to anyone?” Hogan’s Heros, SGT Shultz…”I know nothing…..” Good luck with the next deal.

CCjacket

February 19th, 2009
12:49 pm

DOB – wow, gotta get real technical I guess…

wsbtv.com said, that Braves officials, had told Chuck Dowdle that Jr. was leaning toward Seattle. This was Tues. afternoon. When some bloggers freaked about that, you kept assuring us that everything was okay, Jr. was coming to Atl.

That was my question… that was not your article, it didn’t have anything to do with a headline writer, it had to do with what you posted on your blog Tues. afternoon.

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
12:50 pm

And yes, however, I expect Anderson to be the everyday CF unless he really tanks in March and Schafer is lights-out.

Rick in Jackson

February 19th, 2009
12:51 pm

I have no idea who “Just Listen” is but his comment at 12:06 as to the reason JR went elsewhere certainly makes as much sense as anything. Sounds exactly like something Cox wouldn’t allow and a prima donna like JR would insist on. IF in fact JR changed his mind because of an article in the paper / on the web we don’t need someone on the team / in the clubhouse that thin skinned anyway – good riddance!

Anders

February 19th, 2009
12:51 pm

Roman Gal – I believe you started the smack talk and based on the Braves last few seasons you may want to question how wise that is. No reason to be afraid of what you already know you can’t catch.

Lew – Middle of September, I believe that’s when most on here have been talking GT vs. Dawgs football for about two months already -no?

Gibby

February 19th, 2009
12:52 pm

In the interest of talking of something bedsides Griffey and blasting back and forth about nothing, I will happily talk about the flaws I see in the team I hate the most which is the Mets.

Anders

February 19th, 2009
12:54 pm

Gibby – Glad I can oblige.

getnathan

February 19th, 2009
12:54 pm

Mets don’t scare me head to head. Braves have continuously beaten them in their season series since 1992 with the exception of a couple of years in between that time.

We’ve beaten the Mets in the playoffs (Kenny Rogers) we’ve beaten them out of the playoffs. the only reason they went to the WS in 2000 is because they didn’t have to play the Braves. Braves would’ve beaten them at that time, too.

So who cares about Murphy, Delgado, Beltran, Santana, SO WHAT!!!! They don’t scare me.

Phillies scare me only because they went 15-4 against Braves last year (including 9-0 at the Ted)

Mets should not strike fear in any of you Braves fans!!!!!

Lew

February 19th, 2009
12:56 pm

Anders-Only the last couple of years. However, the Mets’ brand of futility goes back decades. Wouldn’t all those little flags be a nice addition to Citi (we need help from the Government so we can pay the Mets) Field? Your walls will be as barren as your team is at second left and right fields-maybe catcher, too.

I will give the Mets credit for signing Putz, though. Like I’ve said before, with a name like that, he’s a perfect fit for the Chop Shop Neighborhood he’ll now play in.

getnathan

February 19th, 2009
12:57 pm

Anders – If their bullpen performed better they could have won the division or at least the WC. They’ve addressed the bullpen – guarantees nothing, but all things equal they have to figure they’ll be a least a little better this year. The Phils haven’t taken a giant leaps if any at all.

Braves pitching staff is deeper than Mets. Phils signed Ibanez and still have much of their WS team intact. Ibanez is an upgrade from Burrell. Mets will find a way to lose…trust me.

David O'Brien should be fired

February 19th, 2009
12:57 pm

I like how instead of even coming close to attacking the numbers/facts in my statements, instead i’m childish for not drinking the coolaide. Sorry guys- this season is not going to be good. Sorry- but DOB messed this one up pretty good, and should take some responisbility. Sorry i’m not going to just say that everythings peachy when the fact is that we overpaid for a 35 year old number two starter when we could have had Peavy or Burnett (don’t even get me started that Lowe is better than Burnett). Sorry that we’re paying a guy who based on fangraphs.com had a NEGATIVE 5.4 million affect on the braves 3.375 million when a guy who consistently bats 300 and pulls in 100+ rbis who could FINALLY protect Chipper in our lineup gets 5, and we didn’t even chase him.

Look at our rotation last year. Huddy is hurt. Glavine is unsigned and a year older. And Smoltz is gone. So we lost two good pitchers and a solid back rotation guy. What did we pick up? One good, and an unkown dude who has never pitched in MLB. What was our biggest weakness last year? Pitching. And we’ve gotten worse. And our lineup has not gotten better.

Tell me how that is wrong instead of telling me i’m childish, a tool, and what have you. Don’t tell me DOB is the best and is never wrong, and don’t tell me that I just don’t know what I’m talking about.

Lew

February 19th, 2009
12:59 pm

Anders-I take the “barren wall” comment back. I’m sure the Mets will sell enough advertising to pay for Odalis Perez. It should take up space if nothing else-just like Odalis.

Lew

February 19th, 2009
1:01 pm

DavidO’BrienShouldBeFired-OK. You’re wrong. And childish, a tool and what have you.

timthebrave

February 19th, 2009
1:04 pm

“David O’Brien should be fired”…your comparing last years to this year as if the players you named weren’t on the DL last year. Is Lowe better than a Smoltz?….no. Is Lowe better than an injured Smoltz?..defintely. Is Glavine better than an injured Glavine? Is Vasquez better than an inured Hampton? You have to say it is an upgrade based on who REALLY pitched last year and not just who was on the roster.

Anders

February 19th, 2009
1:04 pm

Lew- I believe the goal is to win WS. How many have the Braves won since the Mets started? And the Mets? Unless you want to keep score by franchise value?

As for your government comment – what are your thoughts on the government asking the auto builders who have taken billions to stop pumping money into Nascar? That of course would almost bankrupt many teams but I don’t see how a car going around the track as an advertisment is any different than a sign on a stadium? See how this slippery slope works?

Next we can go down the list of companies that have luxury suites at the Ted to see if any receive government bailout money and we can evict them.

It’s not as cut and dried as you and a grandstanding politician would like to think.

Bravesgal

February 19th, 2009
1:07 pm

“DavidO’BrienShouldBeFired, is just seeking attention. He must not get much from his parents. I’m through giving it to him.

RonAl

February 19th, 2009
1:10 pm

DOB, what’s happening on the field, give me some ST reports.

Original Jon

February 19th, 2009
1:13 pm

David O’Brien should be fired Sorry- but DOB messed this one up pretty good, and should take some responisbility.
How exactly did he mess this one up, you still have not explained yourself on this one.
Sorry i’m not going to just say that everythings peachy when the fact is that we overpaid for a 35 year old number two starter when we could have had Peavy or Burnett (don’t even get me started that Lowe is better than Burnett).
WHAT?!?!?! Seriously, do you know anything about baseball at all? How is an injury prone pitcher who had a contract year better than an pitcher who consistently pitches 200 innings, I am sorry, but that is just poor baseball knowledge on your part.
Look at our rotation last year. Huddy is hurt. Glavine is unsigned and a year older. And Smoltz is gone. So we lost two good pitchers and a solid back rotation guy. What did we pick up? One good, and an unkown dude who has never pitched in MLB. What was our biggest weakness last year? Pitching. And we’ve gotten worse.
Again, what are you talking about, we lost Smoltz and Glavine to injuries early in the season, and even Hudson had season ending surgery at the end, if anything, our pitching got 10 times better. What did we pick up? One good, and an unkown dude who has never pitched in MLB. What was our biggest weakness last year? Pitching. And we’ve gotten worse. And our lineup has not gotten better.

Tell me how that is wrong instead of telling me i’m childish, a tool, and what have you. Don’t tell me DOB is the best and is never wrong, and don’t tell me that I just don’t know what I’m talking about.
There, I believe I told you how you were wrong, you’re still a childish tool, what have you, and DOB is the best, not saying he is never wrong, but he reports what he knows to be fact at the time. Oh, and you have no idea what you are talking about.

[...] DOB has a new post explaining the Griffey situation and what happened. It’s the fourth time in four months the Braves fell short pursuing a star they thought they had a good chance to get (including one, Rafael Furcal, they said they had an oral agreement with) and now general manager Frank Wren will have to look elsewhere to boost an outfield that had just 27 homers in 2008. [...]

JDB

February 19th, 2009
1:19 pm

To play devils advocate and throw out a conspiracy theory I just thought up…

What if DOB and AJC ran Griffey off on purpose? You think they aren’t loving the hits coming in on their website and this blog? Any PR is good PR.

God knows the AJC print edition will be gone forever within a couple years since they are nothing but glorified tree coffins since the invention of the world wide web. Might as well start boosting traffic to the website now so they can sell some ads to stay in business.

rammerjammer

February 19th, 2009
1:21 pm

Griffey used the media and the Braves to pressure Seattle into giving him much more than they originally intended. I think the Braves will have the last laugh on this one, and Seattle now has their own personal vampire.

brian

February 19th, 2009
1:30 pm

this probably has been posted but ESPN.com is reporting that Frenchy and the Braves agreed to a contract. I would have taken his butt to arbitration.
KISSIMMEE, Fla. — Outfielder Jeff Francoeur has agreed to a $3.375 million, one-year contract with the Atlanta Braves, avoiding an arbitration hearing.

Francoeur
The two sides reached agreement shortly before midnight Wednesday at the midway point between their two offers, just hours before they were scheduled to fly to Arizona for a Friday hearing.

The deal includes a $25,000 bonus if Francoeur reaches 685 plate appearances.

timholloway

February 19th, 2009
1:32 pm

Ok, news reports all around the world issue retractions, and corrections to erronious stories they break, people make mistakes, but take responsibility for your actions. DOB you fouled up, and fouled up big time! Instead of coming out and saying I printed a story that I had no concrete proof about, and I am sorry, you came out blaming some “source” close to Griffey claimed that he was going to sign with Atlanta. Who was this source, was he a credible enough source that you felt the need to get the entire Braves fan base all geared up? I think not! You single handedly, with each cumbersome keyboard strike, deflated Atlanta sports, be a man and just come out and say you screwed up, you would be a whole lot more CREDIBLE as a reporter if you did.

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
1:33 pm

Man, Bradley’s new column is so glass-half-full that I almost thought it was written by KC.

Actually, losing out on Junior isn’t the end of the world. Still, I’d rather have him on the roster now along with Jones, Schafer, Anderson and Blanco and let the ABs (if not God) sort ‘em out. Probably not for what the Mariners paid, but just sayin’ …

Bravesgal

February 19th, 2009
1:35 pm

“be a man and just come out and say you screwed up, you would be a whole lot more CREDIBLE as a reporter if you did.”

LOL – Don’t you love all these weenies that hide behind a computer screen and act all tough and stuff?

Anders

February 19th, 2009
1:40 pm

So, Anders, any ideas on how the Mets will choke this year? -(Bravesgal 12:27)

LOL – Don’t you love all these weenies that hide behind a computer screen and act all tough and stuff? -(Bravesgal 1:35)

Now that’s priceless.

Bravesgal

February 19th, 2009
1:44 pm

Anders, there aren’t any Mets blog for you? NY Post? NYDN? Newsday? Anywhere?

Anders

February 19th, 2009
1:45 pm

Bravesgal – You got whipped on that one. Don’t whine for me to leave. It’s not very becoming.

BTW- You posted me – not the other way around.

Paul "The Punchin' Pole"

February 19th, 2009
1:48 pm

All,

Being in the journalistic field myself, albeit in a much smaller market than Atlanta, I do know after all of the ethics classes and editing classes that I have take, I am not at all mad at DOB. The editors write the headlines. DOB did get a little trigger happy in the blog, but that’s a blog. In the actual article, he never said that the Braves and Griffey agreed to terms. If I’m a reporter (which I am, even if it’s for a publication that comes out once every two weeks) and I had the information he and Terrance Moore had, I would have wrote the story. The editor could have decided to not run it for lacking a strong enough source or at the very least made a different headline. Anyway, overall good job this offseason DOB. He broke the Lowe and Kawakami signings, but it will always be a what have you done for me now type of relationship with some readers. In my eyes, DOB did nothing wrong ethically, his editors could have used some better judgment, but that’s another argument.

Hipp

February 19th, 2009
1:50 pm

I really feel sorry for all you braves fans. You really had a tough off season and what made a bad off season worse was horrible reporting! I’m sorry to say, but I think now the Braves will battle the Nats for 3 place. Personally I think the Braves overpaid an aging Lowe just to say they got someone and didn’t strike out on every big free agent they tried for. Anyone agree?

Dennis

February 19th, 2009
1:55 pm

As this off-season has unfolded I see post after post criticizing Frank Wren for missing out on one great free-agent after another.Upon closer examination he wouldn`t mortgage our future for Peavy,didn`t cave to a ridiculous contract for an oft-injured Burnett,didn`t get another DL poster child in Furcal,missed out on Griffey the aging well past-his-prime star and we`ve yet to start spring training so folks there isn`t any reason to rush.What we have done is despite criticism of overpay D.Lowe will probably come closer to paying dividends than any other fa sp.He has yet to ever be on DL where Burnett often stays and is almost a sure bet for 200 inn.Vazquez is a dependable 200 inn,high strikeout guy,Jurrjens is a blossoming star,Kawakami is a vet who Braves feel very good about so I trust them.This is a team with a very solid `pen,youthful,promising lineup and a very solid rotation of #2 or 3 types.Wren will find us some outfield help and all you internet GM`s need to get over the hype of staff aces or #1`s and get in the real world.This will be a very competitive ballclub and don`t be surprised if they contend or win their division this yr.DOB you do a fine job sir so keep up the good work and I think the AJC is more often correct than not so lets all get behind this team and ride the wave and the naysayers can maybe buy Pirates season tickets so they can continue to grumble.

Jen

February 19th, 2009
1:55 pm

This is really classy and I hope Braves fans appreciate the explanation and acknowledgement. I’m a Cubs fan but if our journalists had an ounce of this integrity, reading the sports section would be a whole lot more enjoyable.

timthebrave

February 19th, 2009
1:56 pm

It seems that Ken Griffey Jr got a better incentive package in Seattle after talking with the Braves. I might be wrong on this but it appears he used the Braves to leverage a better deal.

cabravesfan

February 19th, 2009
2:02 pm

Ken Rosenthal seems to have confidence that the Braves will be much better (granted they can’t possibly be much worse)- I know, one man’s opinion and all that but we need something to counter all the negetivity today

Gotta love the quote from Francoeur also – “The way I look at it, A) I’m not going to suck and B) We have pitchers who will throw 200 innings,”

Anyways, check it out if you are so inclined…
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9238050/Improved-Braves-look-awfully-dangerous?MSNHPHMA&From=MSNHP&FG=FOX_Pipe

THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum

February 19th, 2009
2:06 pm

mighty mike

February 19th, 2009
12:30 pm
“First, I told my ten-year-old son the Braves had a good chance of bringing in Jake Peavy. No Peavy. Then I told him Rafael Furcal was coming back. No Furcal. This week I told him we could go watch Ken Griffey Jr. play left for the Braves. No Griffey. By all that is holy, DOB, do you realize how that undermines my credibility as an authority figure. What is he supposed to think when I warn him about the dangers of playing with loaded firearms. Would he not be justified in saying, “Yeah, right, dad. And Peavy, Furcal and Griffey Jr. are coming to Atlanta.” The ninth circle of hell is reserved for traitors and journalists who guess wrong”

———————–

Mighty Mike, you have to be the sorriest excuse for a father I have ever run into. You compare Ken Griffey signing with Seattle with a ten year old kid playing with loaded firearms. You are a crazed fool. No wonder your kid is confused. He is the son of a permanently twisted and mentally handicapped father. God, I feel sorry for him, because of you, not because of David O’Brien.

As for the rest of you idiots, get a life. Wren has put together a team far better than last year’s and he has done it without gutting the farm system of future stars. My hat’s off to him. And DOB has done a terrific job of reporting the news, including the rumors which all of us want to read. That is the purpose of a blog like this. If we waited for every deal to be announced by the commissioner’s office before we discussed them this blog would dry up within 24 hours.

Most of us want a little fun in the offseason and the opportunity to talk about what might be or what is. And we want to chat about how it will all likely come together and what we get is a bunch of damn fools spitting up all over themselves with every change that takes place. Think of it this way, the Mets wanted Lowe, do you think their fans went absolutely nuts when we got him? No, they took it like adults. How about acting like a Mets fan for a change and act like an adult?

Mike, you and that idiot who identifies by the stupid monicker of, “FIRE DAVID O’BRIEN” are without a doubt two of the most ignorant people I have ever encountered. Look at what you have written and try to find a reason for saying such idiotic things. You really need to get a life, you and all these damned fools who can’t find a way to shut the hell up. You have yelled enough already. You are disgusting.

Adam

February 19th, 2009
2:28 pm

I forgive you DOB. Just be careful from now on not to lose your credibility in your fans eyes. Griffey will be under more pressure to perform in Seattle. He would have thrived here but his loss.

THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum

February 19th, 2009
2:32 pm

If I had my finger on the BAN BUTTON here is a list of idiots who would be the first to go.

Nate
Jack
David O’Brien should be fired
brave4eva
Stop coddling DOB
Mighty Mike
Tim Holloway

And that is just from this particuolar blog page.

Stop Coddling DOB

February 19th, 2009
2:53 pm

Are you kidding me BEAR you f-ing drama queen? You’re calling all of us idiots and saying we need to “get a life” for our comments about DOB… Yet your post above calls Mighty Mike “disgusting” and the “sorriest excuse for a father you have ever run into”??? Talk about going over the top. Why don’t pull your head out of DOBs a$$ long enough to take a deep breath, read the news filled with fathers leaving, beating or even worse killing their kids on a daily basis and then do us all a favor and press the ban button on yourself. As I was typing this I just heard from my brother’s roommates sister’s boyfriend’s cousin that you’re a massive tool… I guess according to you and DOB that pretty much makes it official.

dogsbrekky (aka the loser who got the Griffey story effed up)

February 19th, 2009
2:55 pm

Spring training – anyone down there let us know how the following dudes look early on

1. Schafer
2. Josh Anderson
3. Frenchy
4. Kawakami

Thanks for a great blog DOB

“Shake and Bake”

Brewcrew

February 19th, 2009
3:46 pm

DOB:
I understand the wording of what you reported. My question is, why doesn’t what you reported mach the headline that goes along with it? I know the headline wasn’t something you were responsible for, but someone was…so how did that happen?

Also, why do we need to sign Tom Glavine? Or, as I like to call him…Peanut. Why Peanut? Because for the past couple of years, all he does is get shelled! We have a wealth of youth as well as Jorge Campillo to slide into that 5th spot. Why not save that money to pursue a lead off hitter or power-hitting outfielder to put behind Chipper?

Random

February 19th, 2009
3:47 pm

Rick in Jackson (12:51 pm): ” have no idea who “Just Listen” is but his comment at 12:06 as to the reason JR went elsewhere certainly makes as much sense as anything.”

I’ll tell y’all exactly why “JR” “went elsewhere” — ’cause you AndIdiots kept callin’ him “JR”.

He goes by “Junior”, not “JR”.

He was probably rightfully concerned that if he signed with Atlanta, an imminent question might be “Who shot JR?”

Random

February 19th, 2009
3:53 pm

getnathan (12:57 pm): “Phils signed Ibanez and still have much of their WS team intact. Ibanez is an upgrade from Burrell.”

I believe you’re the only person outside of Bucks County who thinks that.

Matt (1:15 pm): “I’m just curious. Have we made any improvements offensively in the offseason ?”

Replaced Miller with Ross.

Matt (12:56 am) — You are totally clueless. Totally.

“Agree with me or not, but I feel that this is what has happened.”

You feel, huh? Unfortunately for you, it’s not simply a matter of opinion — you are demonstrably wrong in most of the “facts” that presumably form the basis of that opinion.

“Burnett stated that he didn’t want to have to deal with the media and being the ace for the Braves, but throw that one out because he signed with New York. However, read between the lines, and it basically states that he doesn’t want to deal with this newspaper because of the sway that some people have in the Braves front office.”

“he doesn’t want to deal with this newspaper because of the sway that some people have in the Braves front office”??? — this, dear boy, is fabricated from whole cloth. It sure ain’t “between the lines” of anything you have written or I have read. Where are you pulling this from???

“The same thing happened to a certain extent with Furcal. I think that the Braves felt that they were pressured by the AJC to sign someone big.”

Such bullsiht. I don’t have to ask where you’re pulling this from — it’s steaming fresh from the 7th planet.

“I think that Frank Wren has again ended up with egg on his face for having too many leaks in his office and his clubhouse.”

Neither Wren nor anyone in the Braves front office leaked either the Griffey info or the Furcal info. You’re just making stuff up now.

“Btw, I don’t blame DOB at all for this because he was reporting what he believed to be true.”

That’s mighty big of you. (sarcasm)

Believe you me — DOB has much higher journalistic standards than to simply report “what he believe[s] to be true”. That may be good enough for FOX News (though sometimes they fail to clear even that low bar), but not for a legitimate reporter like DOB.

DOB certainly knows what sources to trust, and how far to trust them, and for what kind of info, as well as to get confirmation or second sources as appropriate. He does NOT report his beliefs — he saves them for the blog. (And we thank him for them.)

“I hope that he will continue to try to find out as much as he can, but it might be advisable to double check with head honchos before breaking stuff now. Getting burned twice in one offseason doesn’t help your credibility with the national media.”

Patronizing much?

In summary — clueless, totally clueless.

Sheik Yerbouti

February 19th, 2009
4:44 pm

Hey dave, I love you man.

If grif is so sensitive then good riddance. Our two aussies would eat him for lunch.
They were great the other day on the blog. What bar do they hang out at?

Sensitive went out of style in the 80’s. Hey grif grow a pair..

Southside Johnny and his big band are touring a show of nothing but Tom Waits tunes.
There will be an interview tonight with johnny on wmnf out of tampa at ten pm. Listen live on the internet at http://www.wmnf.org. Pretty sweet community radion station, great late night play list

As usual: Let the kids play becuse the “the kids are alright!” Play Ball

Adam

February 19th, 2009
5:25 pm

You are a clown, congrats on breaking the story first and in doing so leaving the Braves with egg on their faces once again. Find a new job please.

THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum

February 19th, 2009
5:46 pm

You freaks don’t know when to shut the hell up do you? Griffey got more money and a front office job with the Mariners after his playing days are over. That is apparently what he wanted along with the adulation he was accustomed to in Seattle. He would have been playing second fiddle to Chipper and a few others had he signed with Atlanta and I doubt his ego could handle that. (Now that is an opinion in case you don’t recognize one.)

Read all the facts before you puke on this blog again. All you braying naysayers are pathetic and you are coming off as the idiots you are.

Washington Will

February 19th, 2009
6:57 pm

Thank you very much for the part you MAY have played in Jr coming back to Seattle. He means way more to us than he would have in Atlanta. You deserve a raise and people here are big fans of yours!!! I think Willie Mays talk with him had a lot more to do with it than the AJC report anyways. Go M’s!

ccrider

February 19th, 2009
7:29 pm

DOB: Assuming the Braves find Brandon Jones to not be the answer for the LF platoon and Josh Anderson doesn’t beat out Schafer in CF. I think the Cardinals will be willing to move either Ankiel or Chris Duncan for more pitching during spring training. DO you think Duncan could be a fit with Diaz? He seems to hit RHP for avg. and power. I seem to remember his defense is no worse than Diaz. He’s cheap $835 thousand. Do you like Duncan for that spot and can either be gotten more reasonably than the other?

ccrider

February 19th, 2009
8:02 pm

Anders: It is sad that instead of being a fan of your own team, on a blog with other Mets bloggers discussing your team’s possibilities and hopes, you spend your time pontificating about a team and it’s fans that you care nothing about. You would rather be a constant annoyance to everyone on this blog, most that do not enjoy your contributions(including DOB himself, whose is fairly tolerant), than go somewhere that you might be appreciated and conversed with in a more friendly way. I truly feel sad for you. You must live a life where the only attention you can garner is by being an contarian, thus drawing attention to yourself not for you wit or knowledge, but for your spite and ill intentions. You are like so many of the ill-informed bloggers that have posted on the Griffey signing. They don’t bother to see the facts of how and why it concluded the way it did, they just want to rail at someone for the inadequacies of their lives. You seem to be smart enough to see your not wanted here. Ask yourself a question? Why?

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