Griffey to Atlanta: Nevermind

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Lake Buena Vista, Fla. — Uh, oh.

Ken Griffey Jr. crushed the Braves’ hopes Wednesday night, and did a pretty good number on my evening, too.

Two days after Griffey told a close friend that he planned to sign with the Braves — which we reported in the AJC, to the chagrin of Griffey, his agent, and the Braves — the outfielder reversed course and decided to go to the Mariners, the team he played for during the first 11 seasons of his illustrious career.

It’s the fourth time in four months the Braves fell short pursuing a star they thought they had a good chance to get (including one, Rafael Furcal, they said they had an oral agreement with) and now general manager Frank Wren will have to look elsewhere to boost an outfield that had just 27 homers in 2008.

It was a stunning reversal for the Braves, after they read and heard many reports that indicated Griffey was going to sign with Atlanta to stay closer to his family in Orlando and play for manager Bobby Cox.

Braves players came to the ballpark Wednesday hoping Griffey might be suited up for their first full-squad workout. They’ll come to the ballpark Thursday morning asking what the hell happened.

“All signs are good,” third baseman Chipper Jones said Wednesday morning, but he was quick to add that he wouldn’t get too excited until Griffey signed on the dotted line. Previous experience this offseason had made Jones very cautious with his optimism. Smart man.

Jones had talked to Griffey daily for the past week and seemed confident he was coming to the Braves. “But I’m not going to smile until he’s signed,” Jones said, alluding to the previous times the Braves were jilted this winter.

Well, he’s signed. With the Mariners.

And for the past three hours or so, I’ve taken a beating on the ol’ blog here. Hey, bring it. I hear ‘ya and understand the passion. Your team has taken you on a rollercoaster of emotions a bunch of times this winter, but all in all, this isn’t nearly as impactful as, say, losing out on Jake Peavy or even Rafael Furcal, who’d have been the leadoff man the Braves lack.

Griffey was going to be a platoon left fielder, most likely. The Braves can still go get another free agent, like Garret Anderson, if they want to. Or suck it up and spend a couple extra mill, if necessary, to take on the salary of a Nick Swisher or Xavier Nady, giving up a prospect or two in such a deal if that’s what it takes, if that’s what they believe is really necessary to shore up this lineup.

In the meantime, here’s a response I had to one of the many scathing missives directed at me on the other blog tonight, before I posted this new one.

Occasionally you’re going to be castigated by angry fans for reporting something that doesn’t turn out as planned, and in this case what obviously makes it worse is published speculation at MLB.com that our story had something to do with Griffey’s decision.

And I’m not blaming Mark Bowman at all for writing it, because I was standing there today when Frank Wren said Griffey’s agent all but ended communication with the Braves right after our AJC story came out Tuesday.

But let’s be clear: What we wrote was a story that said Griffey told a close friend that he had decided to play for the Braves over the Mariners. We wrote it, because that’s what the close friend told our Terry Moore, who goes back a long way with them (Moore is from Cincy, like Griffey).

We did not write that Griffey had agreed to a contract, or that he’d even told the Braves he was going to sign with them. We wrote that Griffey told his good friend that he had decided to play for the Braves.

Now, as for the headline in today’s paper, I knew nothing of it until tonight, when someone at the paper informed me that it said “Griffey to play for Braves.” Folks, I’m in Florida, and I send my stories to the paper, not headlines. I have absolutely no control over headlines in the paper.

Far as I know, neither Mark Bradley nor I wrote that Griffey was definitely going to play for the Braves. Again, we wrote that he told his friend that he’d decided to play for the Braves. And that it looked like a deal would get done.

Now, if our story actually had any influence on Griffey’s decision, if Griffey is actually flighty enough to change such an important decision, to go play across the continent after telling others that he was going to play for Atlanta in large part because of the proximity to his family … well, then I’m flabbergasted.

If that’s actually the case. If he’d let his purported anger over that story affect his decision … well, that just seems a bit far-fetched to me.

Anyway, we wrote a story that said he’d told a friend he would be playing for Atlanta this season. Now he’s going to play for Seattle, and I’ll take a beating on the blog. But I’m a big boy. I can live with that.

If we’d written something that was erroneous, if I’d written that Griffey had agreed to terms with the Braves, that’d be one thing. We did not write that, at least I don’t think we did.

Anything I said on this blog the past two days, about how I still believed he was coming to play for the Braves, etc., I was giving you my opinion. I thought that was understood. This is a blog. I give opinions.

Again, I can live with the harsh criticism. Goes with the job, once in a while when something like this happens. Hopefully, just once in a great while.

Now, as I promised in this morning’s blog I would do if he changed his mind, here’s a new song for Ken Griffey Jr.

“GOING, GOING, GONE” by Bob Dylan

I've just reached a place
Where the willow don't bend.
There's not much more to be said
It's the top of the end.
I'm going,
I'm going,
I'm gone.

I'm closin' the book
On the pages and the text
And I don't really care
What happens next.
I'm just going,
I'm going,
I'm gone.

I been hangin' on threads,
I been playin' it straight,
Now, I've just got to cut loose
Before it gets late.
So I'm going,
I'm going,
I'm gone.

Grandma said, "Boy, go and follow your heart
And you'll be fine at the end of the line.
All that's gold isn't meant to shine.
Don't you and your one true love ever part."

I been walkin' the road,
I been livin' on the edge,
Now, I've just got to go
Before I get to the ledge.
So I'm going,
I'm just going,
I'm gone.

889 comments Add your comment

2Parc

February 19th, 2009
12:34 pm

Alec Baldwin in Glengary Glen Ross:

“A – B – C – always be closing.”

Ben Affleck in Boiler Room:

“Remember Glengary Glen Ross? A – B – C – always be closing.”

blah blah blah

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
1:54 pm

Mike, losing Griff MAY not be earth shattering, but it could be. What if he hits 30 homers like he did just 2 years ago ?

Jim

February 19th, 2009
1:55 pm

XM Radio has Braves looking at Luis Gonzales. Hits RH pitching ok. In ‘08, .267/.770; 7/38; 270 ABs. Not great, but apparenlty a good influence on younger players. Has always hit well against the Braves.

Hit 31, 57, 28, 26 HRs, ‘00-’03, with Arizona. What was he taking? Wonder if he’s one of the “missing 103?” Has anyone asked ARod?

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
1:55 pm

oldbravesbag, you’re mostly right. Plus, Junior can DH most of the time. And he’ll be compensated as an ambassador for the club long after he retires. Even though he’ll finish his career for an awful team …

DunderChief

February 19th, 2009
1:55 pm

DOB – Or anyone else who knows the answer. Is Jeff Francoeur really eligible for free agency next year, or is this the lowest of the low for the AJC poll question? I’m 99% sure he’s got a couple of arb-eligible season left right?

MetsFaninATL

February 19th, 2009
1:56 pm

DOB — this ain’t your fault! If a story in the AJC was the deciding factor in Griffey playing for the Braves or not, then the team didn’t want him here anyway. Right? But that wasn’t it. It was, ultimately, Griffey wanting to end his career where he started it and having the chance to play more often (thanks to the DH). I love Griffey and hate the Braves. In the end, I think both are better off in this situation.

It takes a lot for me to feel badly for the Braves, but this almost does it.

2Parc

February 19th, 2009
1:56 pm

Coxlover (sorry, just can’t get past addressing you with that name)… yes, he gives depth… without him you have less pitchers… with him, you have more… hence, depth.

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
1:56 pm

JM, Seattle may be a beautiful city but the weather is DEPRESSING. I’ve been there before and I couldn’t wait to leave.

LVChad

February 19th, 2009
1:56 pm

Let’s say the friend (the source) was actually telling the truth that Griffey did indeed say he was going to sign with Atlanta. Then when Seattle sweetened the deal, Griffey changed his mind.

How is that bad journalism?

How is that printing a false statement?

Did the source suddenly come out and say they were lying? Griffey called the Braves, so I think it’s possible at some point he really did say to a friend he was going to sign with Atlanta because that was indeed his intent.

Time to let all of the bad journalism stuff go, no? If anything direct your anger at the person who put up the incorrect headline not the guy who has proven to be stand up and printed what he believed to be information from a reliable source.

John Quest

February 19th, 2009
1:57 pm

Shut Up DOB, ESPN is an electronic, now digital, mullet wrapper. They have but a few good reporters, that’s it. Most of their news is imported from other sources. Oh, then there is that obnoxious cable crawl they actually think viewers are watching.

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
1:57 pm

Jim, I’m about 105% confident that Luis Gonzalez took roids the year he hit nearly 60 homers.

todd h

February 19th, 2009
1:57 pm

not trying to wave pom-poms but, dob is one of the best. very informative, entertaining and willing to give OPINION. i for one, appreciates that.

macdwolfpack

February 19th, 2009
1:57 pm

DOB, idiots are everywhere! You do an excellent job and it is much appreciated. If Griffey can’t recognize the better organization and is this wishy washy, then he needs to be in Seattle, maybe we can convince them to take Soriano back with him.
I find nothing wrong in what you wrote and hope you continue to share you knowledge.
In the meantime this is history and what I and many others care more about it your telling us what is happening with our team in Orlando during spring training.
So quit apologizing or explaining and go bring us some reports from spring training.

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
1:58 pm

Jim,

Yeah, Gonzalez looks like a poster child for juicing. Them’s Brady Anderson-like numbers.

UF Brave

February 19th, 2009
1:58 pm

Frank Wren needs to start taking some notes from Kyra Sedgwick…the man needs to learn how to close a deal!

JournalistJeff

February 19th, 2009
1:58 pm

Coxlover did you actually read the story? Or are you one of those people who only reads the headlines? If you actually read the story, it didn’t say he signed with the Braves, it said sources close to him stated he was coming to Atlanta. For all the people who want to question the way DOB does his job, maybe you should learn how journalism works. The Editor picks the headline NOT the writer. Was the headline a little misleading? Not if you actually read the story. DOB did his job, he had a credible source and he told us as much. He never said it was written in stone, or that Griffey had made up his mind 100%. If DOB would have waited to hear it from Griffey then the same people blaming DOB now would be yelling that DOB didn’t give us the scoop. And to top it off, the AJC was not the only one reporting that Griffey was “heavily leaning” towards coming to the Braves. ESPN and Foxsports also had “sources” stating that he was coming here.

2Parc

February 19th, 2009
2:00 pm

don’t like Gonzalez… didn’t like Griffey… on the fence about G. Anderson… and don’t like Edmonds… where’s Charles Thomas when you need him?

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
2:00 pm

2Parc, with Glavine we have more pitchers unless he gets injured, which at age 43 i would be very surprised if he doesn’t get injured at some point this year.

nolie

February 19th, 2009
2:01 pm

I guess you think Diaz is better than Griffey ?

Against lefties? no question Diaz is better now.

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
2:02 pm

JournalistJeff, I didn’t read the article on the AJC because my computer was acting up at the time. So all I read was the headline that said ” Griffey signs with Braves”

Bravesgal

February 19th, 2009
2:03 pm

Dtown – why should DOB take the blame for the headline? He did not write it.

2Parc

February 19th, 2009
2:03 pm

And then, Coxlover (ahem)… you now have depth and a choice of other pitchers to fill the void.

John Quest

February 19th, 2009
2:03 pm

Just because I mention a few languages now I’m a basher? You are very thinned skinned, masivatack. I will refrain from similar comments.
Sorry.

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
2:03 pm

John Quest,

You’re dead wrong about ESPN. They report almost all their own stuff using staff reporters. Their problem is being spread thin and being based in the NYC area. They seem to be a lot more interested in teams along the Boston-NYC-DC corridor (and in the nation’s other mega media market — LA) than in those around the rest of the country.

National networks have almost always shared those flaws. I’ll be interested to see if MLB Network does a better job covering the entire sport, not just the Red Sox, Yankees, Mets and Dodgers.

2Parc

February 19th, 2009
2:04 pm

The headline said ‘Griffey chooses Braves’ – nothing about signing.

Bud Selig

February 19th, 2009
2:05 pm

Look, when I hear people say “The Commissioner turned a blind eye to David O Brien’s irresponsible reporting” that irritates the you-know-what out of me. The truth is, I’ve been championing responsible reporting for years, now, and I think Major League Baseball has come farther than any sport in taking steps to clean up this mess.

tulsabravo

February 19th, 2009
2:05 pm

“Goes with the job, once in a while when something like this happens.” Once in a while?

David O'Brien

February 19th, 2009
2:06 pm

Really does sound like Braves are going to give the young guys a chance to show they can handle CF and LF (along with Matt Diaz). Josh Anderson, Brandon Jones, Jordan Schafer and Gregor Blanco are all going to get consideration, get to show what they can do this spring.

PTBNL

February 19th, 2009
2:06 pm

KC, the other day you admitted that your conclusions about Smoltz were speculative. Why do you insist on repeatedly claiming them as dyed in the wool facts? Please, if you are going to say such things over and over, acknowledge that it is your belief that Smoltz left for bla, bla, bla. You should respect Smoltz enough not to speak for him without his telling you what he is thinking.

From the facts that we know, it is possible that what you have said about his reasons for going to the Sox is true. But the facts are very skimpy and leave many possibilities available. You seem to have chosen one and convinced yourself that it is the truth, when you really don’t know that it is true…. and have admitted that it is speculation.

So again, let your “beliefs” be known…. as beliefs… not as facts.

Thanks.

dondi123

February 19th, 2009
2:07 pm

Based on the reporting in this blog and elsewhere, the Braves / Wren have tried and failed to cut deals for Peavy, Burnett, Furcal, Smoltz and Griffey in the last 4 -5 months.

In the Schuerholz era, I don’t believe the world would have known that all those misses had happened. So, Scheurholz was either 1) a better deal-maker or 2)better at keeping news / negotiations under wraps. Which one do you think it is, DOB?

PTBNL

February 19th, 2009
2:08 pm

David, are player visits to the blog out of the question any more because of the bad experience yesterday?

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
2:09 pm

Bud Selig,

Good one.

David O'Brien

February 19th, 2009
2:09 pm

Workout shortened by rain today, but Braves got everything in except their extra BP that some guys take at the end.

Cox was impressed by Kawakami’s session today, as the man with the large media entourage (yes, still following his every move) added the curveball to the mix. He’s on his own schedule, being permitted to come along slowly at first, as he prefers. Threw fastballs and curveballs today, after only fastballs in his first two ‘pens.

He’ll face hitters for the first time Saturday.

Workouts are 1 p.m. Saturday and Sunday, by the way. Because of physicals in the a.m. both days.

2Parc

February 19th, 2009
2:09 pm

Good… let the boys give it a shot… I like the non-Yankee approach anyway.

DOB – ever heard of Outformation? Local southern rock band?

nolie

February 19th, 2009
2:09 pm

Platooning is admitting you don’t have a good enough player to play that position. Either let Diaz play 162 (minus a few games off) games there or get a player that will. Why don’t they also platoon McCann,Francoeur,KJ,Yunel,Chipper,Kotchman,etc. if its the way to go ?
Everyone except Chipper has a worse average against either lefties or righties. Boom. ROBDAWG

so what? You’re making a lot of foolish statements today.There is absolutely nothing wrong with platooning. The Orioles and Yanks for instance did a huge amount of winning with platoons on a regular basis.

Trent

February 19th, 2009
2:09 pm

Not to add confusion my post was to “Shut up DOB”….not the actual DOB

Billy Walsh

February 19th, 2009
2:09 pm

Robdawg08

On which teams would Andy Petite and Phil Hughes be an ace on? Did you see Petite pitch after the all star break last year? Phil Hughes hasn’t one a MLB game since the 2007 season. Burnett has ace ability but he is never healthy and Wang is coming off a major injury. The only bona fide ace on the Yanks staff is CC. Give me the Rays starting five anyday. Price is going to be a stud…along with Kazmir, Garza, Shields, and Sonnanstine. I agree with you on the platoon. Starting the year with a Diaz/Jones platoon would be a disaster. Wren needs to find an everyday LF and have Diaz and Jones come off the bench.

2Parc

February 19th, 2009
2:09 pm

Coxlover – you know what happens when you assume….

Danga

February 19th, 2009
2:10 pm

I am all for giving the young guys a chance. All of the in house options are certainly better defensive options. Lets see what the Bravos can do with a strong pitching staff and good defense. Hopefully, we do the little things well and actually win some 1 run ball games this year.

Billy Walsh

February 19th, 2009
2:10 pm

I think the Rays will be even better than last year

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
2:11 pm

FWIW, RotoAuthority rated our own Javy Vazquez as the seventh-best starting pitcher in baseball for fantasy leagues. Lowe is 27, Kawakami 30, JJ 63.

lfp6

February 19th, 2009
2:11 pm

I overheard a discussion about Griffey at my work.
Mr. A.: Well, if Junior plays for us, I hope he gets his stroke back.
Mr. B.: Oh he’ll get a stroke, allright….just not the one youre thinking.

Junior IS 39, and I’m willing to wager that he did NOT want to platoon, hence going back to Seattle.

As for Frenchy, this year is ‘put-up or shut-up’, imho ^^. Oh, and no arbitration for Jeff: he and the Braves went with a 3.375M USD contract.

Lastly, getting us another boom-stick OF…Garret Anderson does look like a possibility that should be investigated, but will we be able to afford him?

The Artist Formerly Known as Too Hot For Teacher

February 19th, 2009
2:11 pm

glad to hear the Spring Training updates. Once some hitters face Kawakami we’d be interested to hear what they have to say – seeing how nobody has ever faced him before.

John Quest

February 19th, 2009
2:11 pm

BravesFanintheRockies, I listen to ESPN quite a bit, and many of their lead in stories are prefaced with, “XYZ and Co. are reporting……., or ESPN has learned……”. This is my point. They do have many reporters in the field, but I usually find a story on the internet long before I hear it on ESPN.

Friday The 13th Remake Was Okay

February 19th, 2009
2:12 pm

I dont blame DOB, I blame Franky “gorgy fan” Wren. Its going to be a terrible season for us brave fans. I hope some people have Fire Wren signs at the ball park, but lets face it this team is going to struggle this year…Hopefully if Frank bombs next winter he gets a good talking to by the head guys and maybe quit or get fired.

I do have to ask DOB, if you were to put a record on this upcoming season as of right now what do you think? Sadly I think something along the lines of last year, but I dont see us winning more than 60 games this year.

JSS

February 19th, 2009
2:12 pm

DOB, what kind of reviews is Tommy Hanson getting so far? You mentioned earlier that Chipper was impressed with his stuff…

NotForMe

February 19th, 2009
2:13 pm

He’s still one of the best defensive third basemen in the game (though few people seem to realize that), KC

actually I’d say that you and a few other homers are about the only ones in the world who “realizes” that. At one time he was one of the very worst fielders in baseball. He is somewhat better since returning, but more like in the middle than one of the best.

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
2:13 pm

BTW, on those fantasy predctions, Braves are one of three teams with three starters ranked in the top 30; other two are Yankees and Cubs.

Just a Fan

February 19th, 2009
2:14 pm

DOB YOU ARE THE MAN. LOVE YOUR BLOGS. KEEP IT UP.
I live in NYC and you are one of my main sources of info on my beloved braves. Much love.

Just a Fan

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
2:14 pm

Friday, I agree that this could be a very long year for the Braves. I think the Braves will win around 75-80 games. That’s assuming that Chipper stays healthy and Frenchy has a better year. If Chipper is hurt a lot and Frenchy has another year like he did last year, I think 65 wins is more likely.

Poco Springfield

February 19th, 2009
2:14 pm

DOB,

Do you see anyone platooning or getting spot starts with Kotchman at first base? Could Kala Ka’aihue eventually be the right handed part of a platoon with Kotchman?

Will Prado platoon at second base with KJ?

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
2:15 pm

Bravesfan, rankings mean nothing.

f.n. hale

February 19th, 2009
2:15 pm

Holy Crap! I thought it was a joke, but people are seriously upset with DOB and the AJC over this thing? I wasn’t all that psyched about Griffey coming anyway, though it would have been cool seeing a future hall of famer, but folks, we’re just talking here and the only thing reported was that a writer who is known to have a relationship said Griffey told a friend he was coming here. What was supposed to be verified? That the guy really told Terrence that or that Griffey really told his friend that? Maybe DOB should have verified it was really Terrence relaying the info or maybe the guy wasn’t really friends with Griffey after all. How about if he had written “unconfirmed sources have indicated that Ken Griffey, Jr. told other unconfirmed sources that he was going to play for a major league baseball team that some believe to be the Atlanta Braves”? On the other hand, it would be kinda cool to have that kind of power. Hey DOB, can you make mention that Jennifer Aniston has told a friend she had decided not to sleep with f.n. hale?

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
2:15 pm

John Quest

Fair point, esp. if you’re talking about their radio shows. Those do often function as a headline service for plenty of other media sources.

Thrillhouse44

February 19th, 2009
2:15 pm

Strong DOB, has Kawakami indicated how he’s adjusting to the bigger balls in the American game?

getnathan

February 19th, 2009
2:16 pm

Jim if the Braves are looking at Luis Gonzalez, that, to me, would be a mistake. They might as go with what they have.

dap01

February 19th, 2009
2:17 pm

I don’t understand the FIRE WREN comments. He inherited a mess. He has helped create a turnaround that all of us agree is coming.

We have excellent pitching depth now and in the future (Hanson, Morton, Robough, Locke, Tehran). We have great positional players coming up Schafer, Heyward, Gorkys). Griffey used the Braves as leverage, not fun for us but it is a business. The only thing that Wren could have done differently was over pay. Overpay is not good.

What Braves fan is not excited about our team for years to come?

We are not the destination of choice anymore but we are headed in a great direction.

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
2:17 pm

Coxlover

The point is, the Braves staff has been overlooked or underrated by a lot of so-called experts. We shouldn’t be surprised at all if they kick some butt.

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
2:18 pm

dap, yeah we have a lot of good young players and when they start getting good and the Braves can’t afford them, they’ll go to big market teams like the Yankees or Red Sox.

BigHittas

February 19th, 2009
2:18 pm

I’ve said it before on this blog….I think Glavs will be the opening day pitch. I think there’s a better chance of that than the Braves signing Griffey at this point. :D

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
2:19 pm

I just don’t see how Braves fans think we have any shot of making the playoffs as bad as our outfield is. We had the WORST offensive production in the outfield last year.

Danga

February 19th, 2009
2:20 pm

Friday and Coxlover…You expect this team to win fewer games than last year? This team still has weaknesses, but you have to remember that Hudson, Smoltz, and Glavine all went down with injuries last year. That left JJ and Campillo as the aces of our staff. They had fine years last year, but Hudson and Smoltz they are not. The Bravos have pitching depth this year, and that will give them the time they need to determine if the kids can handle the OF jobs.

Thrillhouse44

February 19th, 2009
2:20 pm

If Luis Gonzalez ends up on the Braves roster, I’ll gladly buy his Tic Tacs from Jose Canseco.

moose knuckle

February 19th, 2009
2:20 pm

dob:

how is Kawakame adjusting to the bigger ball?

BamaBrave

February 19th, 2009
2:20 pm

Regarding Edmonds… “Not sure why he hasn’t been mentioned more prominently here or elsewhere”
- Mr. Baseball

Pure speculation on my part…but I was always under the impression that Edmonds used his mouth more than his ears in St. Louis, and was an injury-prone prima donna. As a consequence, I don’t think he was a “Bobby Cox” kind of player. Maybe he’s mellowed, maybe he hasn’t. I just don’t see him being the wise old outfield mentor, holding court in the dugout with Anderson, Schafer, etc.

Redirect

February 19th, 2009
2:20 pm

“…has Kawakami indicated how he’s adjusting to the bigger balls in the American game?” Thrillhouse44

Must…not…make…snide…or crass…comment! Must refrain…bad thoughts…sensory overload!

2Parc

February 19th, 2009
2:21 pm

last year is last year… don’t you people have any optimism?

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
2:22 pm

And for another take on Griffey, this, from a CBS reporter who covered him in Cincinnati:

“So all that talk about doing things ‘for my family,’ as he has said over the years, is a bunch of crap. Junior, as I have always suspected, is full of crap. Because if he were all about his family, as he has said time and again, he’d be an Atlanta Brave right now.”

Chris

February 19th, 2009
2:22 pm

Enter your comments here

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
2:22 pm

Danga, keep in mind that we didn’t have Smoltz and Hudson last year and we don’t have them this year either !!!! Smoltz is gone to Boston and Hudson probably won’t play this year.

Braveheart

February 19th, 2009
2:22 pm

Good line about the tic tacs Thrillhouse

Andy K.

February 19th, 2009
2:22 pm

DOB, in regards to Kawakami, are Bobby and Roger going to be more lenient with his pitch count once the season starts? Because those guys in Japan throw way more than pitchers here do.

Mets Stink!

February 19th, 2009
2:23 pm

I don’t get why people are hating on Frank Wren. It’s been a tough offseason for the braves, but they are going to be better this year with the new additions. We didn’t get Peavey, but the Padres were asking for way too much in return. Burnett chose the Yankees over the Braves, and by doing that he’ll have a much better shot at a World Series ring. Furcal and his agent backed out on a deal at the last minute. Griffey chose the Mariners after they offered more money in incentives and after speaking to Willy Mays. In my opinion, the only bad thing that Wren and the Braves did was letting Smoltz get away. With the way Smoltz has acted the last couple weeks, I’ve been more convinced that losing him wasn’t that bad of a thing.

I think Wren has done everything that he could with the money he has available to build a better team. This isn’t the braves of the mid 90s. There’s not a lot of money to throw around, so players aren’t going to line up to come here like they did.

jared

February 19th, 2009
2:23 pm

Going to give the young guys a chance in the outfield? Sounds a lot like last year if you ask me. So basically Wren is saying that he is content with having the worst offensive outfield in baseball for the second straight year. This guy is a joke.

sinking ship

February 19th, 2009
2:23 pm

the only thing sad about Griffey going back to the Mariners is that he is not taking Bobby Cox and Jeff “Flounder” with him

Man With No Name

February 19th, 2009
2:23 pm

DOB, no word on going after G Anderson, J Edmonds, or Swisher/Nady deal? Can we really go with what we’ve got in the young guys in the OF. We need power in our line up in a bad kind of way. We had Tex in there with Chipper and scored some runs but our pitching was depleted. Now we have some supposed pitching depth but a serious lack of power. However, I guess if L Media won’t give you some funds to spend like Ted used to, you gotta make lemonade out of lemons.

semiballcoach

February 19th, 2009
2:24 pm

rather than sign anyone or make a rash trade, braves might be better off waiting until june to see which teams are impacted by the economy and see who’s available

TrueBlueBrave

February 19th, 2009
2:25 pm

Whatever happened to being a fan win-or-lose, good-or-bad?? I suffered through the awful teams of the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s and some of the 90’s and remained faithful. That’s what a REAL fan does. I truly enjoyed the ride we had for those 15+ years at the top of our division and will continue to support the Braves through thick and thin. It would’ve been nice to have Griffey hit his last few HR’s with us, but it wasn’t meant to be. Who cares why or whose fault it was that he didn’t sign with us….he just didn’t. End of story. Any given team can beat any other on any day of the week. There’s a ton of luck involved in this game and you take what is given and graciously lose when it swings the other way. All the same, at the end of the day, you’re either a Braves fan or your not. I have very little tolerance for those that have to have a scapegoat when things go bad. We’re talking about a game where grown men hit a ball with a stick. Get a grip on reality, pick a team, stick with them win-or-lose and enjoy the ride. GO BRAVES!!!

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
2:25 pm

It comes down to this folks. Griffey is not a family man. He cares more about his fans in Seattle and his loyalty to the Mariners than he does about his family.

Mets Stink!

February 19th, 2009
2:26 pm

I’m also interested to see how Kawakami will be treated in the early part of the year with his pitch count and his spot in the rotation. I hope the Braves would be a little more conservative with him to start the season.

Danga

February 19th, 2009
2:26 pm

Coxlover…But we do have Derek Lowe, JJ, KK, Vazquez, and {insert Hanson, Glavine, Morton, JoJo here}. That is a solid rotation. If we are snake bit again this year and lose 3/5 of our starting rotation we’ll probably lose 90 again. But right now, this team is deeper and better than the team that limped to 72 wins last year.

Thrillhouse44

February 19th, 2009
2:26 pm

Must…not…make…snide…or crass…comment! Must refrain…bad thoughts…sensory overload! Redirect

I served that one up there just for that purpose. It’s ST – time for gopher balls anyways. Swing away!

John H from NC

February 19th, 2009
2:27 pm

Kevin Kennedy on MLB Home Plate said his source is telling him that “Luis Gonzalez will be a Brave”. Wouldn’t surprise me. Good clubhouse presence, decent bat and glove in LF. Probably about the same as signing KGJ.

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
2:27 pm

Well, I take that back, Griffey isn’t loyal to the Mariners. He left the Mariners in 2000 to take less money with the Reds. So i’m not sure what to make about Griffey.

MLH

February 19th, 2009
2:27 pm

I find it comical how the AJC put up the poll late last night asking readers who they think is at fault for Griffey not signing. One of their choices was AJC, then when 90% of the public chose that option they quickly took it down.

Bobby's Cox

February 19th, 2009
2:27 pm

DOB,

I really don’t care that Griffey went to Seattle. Personally, I rather see B. Jones out there. And, although i’m not a huge Bowman fan, I’m not mad at him either. There’s a story on Yahoo that says Griffey changed his mind after talking to Willie Mays.

So, so what if a platoon outfielder went somewhere else. We have the pieces to make a trade mid-season. And, GA is still out there. At this point in their careers, Garrett is a better hitter than Griffey anyway, and they’re both left handed hitters. The only thing Griffey would’ve done was put some butts in seats, and maybe that’s what angers Wren if it does at all anyway.

Here’s the link to the Yahoo article.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Willie-Mays-helps-Griffey-decide-on-return-to-Se;_ylt=Ah6OZMxQDKKWXB8mLuqkHiARvLYF?urn=mlb,142554

2Parc

February 19th, 2009
2:28 pm

I feel like I’m in a Depression Anonymous meeting. And a couple of guys from the Idiots Anonymous meeting think they’re in the right room.

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
2:28 pm

Coxlover

All I know is that by the end of last year our rotation was Jurrjens, Campillo, JoJo, Elmer Dessens and maybe Len Barker. If you can’t see the improvement, there’s no hope for you.

Coxlover

February 19th, 2009
2:28 pm

Danga, maybe our pitching is deeper but what about our offense ?

Danga

February 19th, 2009
2:28 pm

Jared…Last year we had Kotsay in CF and Francoeur and Diaz both coming off good years. This is not like last year.

Moby Grape

February 19th, 2009
2:28 pm

Wow, What a group of morons the last few days. I think I’ll take a break and come back in a few days after this crap slows down and the newbies go away.

Novice Ned

February 19th, 2009
2:28 pm

DOB, how many bullpen spots do you think are open this Spring? Obviously, the lefty reliever job between those guys acquired in the winter… but aren’t the other slots pretty well claimed by Gonzo, Soriano, Moylan, Boyers and Acosta? I guess either Campillo or Buddy will be the long reliever. Where does that leave Stockman?

Thrillhouse44

February 19th, 2009
2:29 pm

Braveheart, let’s just hope it doesn’t come to that.

Redirect

February 19th, 2009
2:30 pm

Thrillhouse44

And the serve was a good one! An ace!

UNCBrave

February 19th, 2009
2:31 pm

So DOB the Braves and Wren are just banking that the young guys are going to hit for power against ML pitching? That’s stupid considering our OF produced 27 HR’s last year..

SIGN JIM EDMONDS…

BravesFanInRockies

February 19th, 2009
2:31 pm

Coxlover

What about our offense? That is the question, indeed.

mbatl

February 19th, 2009
2:31 pm

In the Schuerholz era, I don’t believe the world would have known that all those misses had happened. So, Scheurholz was either 1) a better deal-maker or 2)better at keeping news / negotiations under wraps.

dondi123, I know you asked DOB, but I’m gonna give my thoughts on this.

First, except in 1991, JS never had to fill the number of holes the ‘09 Braves have, via free agency. That year, he signed Pendleton, Belliard, and Bream (none of whom were really a very big deal at the time). He signed Maddux in ‘93 (a big deal, of course) and Galarraga in ‘98, a pretty big deal). But he never had to fill 2-3 rotation spots plus at least one OF spot in one year.

Second, JS was indeed much more tight-lipped about things. We thought Wren had learned this lesson, but then he started talking again about negotiations with Jr. I don’t really understand why he did that. Maybe he’s “learned” the lesson, again.

And third, for most of JS’s tenure, there wasn’t a huge internet reporting/blogging community. Maybe a few rumors would be printed in the fine print of the sports pages, and of course in his last couple of years, blogging was growing, but not to the extent it’s grown to today. Now you’ve got an entire industry built around it. It’s like the paparazzi in Hollywood.

Danga

February 19th, 2009
2:32 pm

Coxlover…Our offense ranked 6th last year in the NL even with all of the woes we had. I really don’t see how we got worst.

Danga

February 19th, 2009
2:32 pm

bertbennett

February 19th, 2009
2:33 pm

lets see how many folks slamming dob on here are back after all this griffey mess washes over. OK well the young guys are gonna get a shot. The only real plus on that I see is maybe Jorday Schafer or Brandon Jones, Dont forget Heyward will be up in a few years and Jordan will move over to CF. I wish they’d take a look at Garrett Anderson as a stop gap but I just dont see them going after him, too expensive apparently. Well DOB keep up the good work man and try to get the paper to start letting you write those headlines, we know that wasnt in your hands and your reports were accurate, he simply changed his mind.

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