Waiting for Griffey’s arrival..

Editor’s note:   Folks, this is a repeat of Dave’s earlier post.  We’ve had to start this new thread for you to comment because of a problem with the load on our servers with the number of comments.   I promise we’re working on fixing this.

 

Lake Buena Vista, Fla. — And so we begin Day 4 of the Junior Watch, and if Ken Griffey Jr. isn’t officially a Brave by the end of the day, please shoot me.

OK, I guess I should say I don’t mean that literally. You never know what sun and amusement park & strip-mall proliferation might have done to the minds of some Orlandopolis-area gun owners who’d jump at a chance to use a bike-riding Crusading Everyman for target practice.

But you get my point. We need closure, and soon. It’s the first day of full-squad workouts, and all we’re focused on is Ken Griffey Jr. and when he’ll be here, or even when it’ll be announced that he’s a Brave. (Well, that and when Tom Glavine is going to sign, which also is inevitable, from all I’m told.)

The Braves haven’t announced he’s signed or even a “major press conference” today. But there’s still no doubt in my mind that, as we reported yesterday in the AJC, Griffey has decided to be a Brave. A conversation with Chipper Jones 15 minutes ago only underscored that belief.

“All signs are good,” said Chipper, who’s talked to Griffey daily for the past week. “But I’m not going to smile until he’s signed.”

(For the record, Chipper smiled as he said that.)

Again, I’ll say it’s just a matter of time before it’s official. Will it be today? I’d guess so, but not certain. Maybe in an hour, two hours, we will be certain.

Anyway, here’s what Chipper said about his pal and fellow former MVP Griffey, whom he’s talked to at least once a day for the past week about coming to Atlanta, fielding questions from “The Kid” about clubhouse atmosphere, team chemistry, etc.

I said yesterday, after we reported that Griffey had told a person close to him that he’d already decided to be a Brave, I thought Griffey and his agent were delaying the decision out of respect to the Mariners, because they’d told Seattle that they’d get back with them before making any decision, etc.

Griffey was quoted yesterday saying he was still torn between the two teams.\

Chipper was asked today whether he thought Griffey was struggling with his decision.

“I think he feels like he owes Seattle their due respect,” he said. “He said he’d talk to the guys out there.”

Chipper elaborated on the role he’s played in this whole whirlwind negotiation, which began when Griffey contacted a Braves employee last week and asked that he let GM Frank Wren know that Griffey was interested in playing for the Braves and that it wasn’t a fait accompli (as had been reported) that he’d go back to Seattle.

Griffey called Chipper at about the same time, reiterating what he’d said to him many times in recent years.

“I guess he thinks I’ve got some pull over here,” Jones said, smiling. “He’s always wanted to play over here. He loves Bobby [Cox]. Now he’s got his opportunity. Hopefully he’ll be patrolling left field pretty soon.”

Chipper said Griffey could impact the Braves in a couple of positive ways.

“He’d be worth his weight in gold, obviously, on the field,” he said. “But off the field, as well. We’ve got a bunch of up-and-coming outfielders, guys who would be well-served to soak up as much as they can from Junior.”

Also, Jones talked about why Griffey was so interested in playing for the Braves, beyond the logistical aspect of being so close to his family in Orlando and liking the offseason pitching moves the team made and its young talent.

The man that some call “6.” That’s Bobby Cox’s uniform number, and Jones said that with the Big 3 days of Maddux-Glavine-Smoltz behind them, the Braves’ most appealing feature to many free agents these days is the manager.

“Don’t kid yourself,” Jones said. “Yeah, people come here to win. But they come here because of Bobby. They man is as beloved as any manager in baseball. You never hear anyone say a bad word about him. It’s because of Bobby.”

Asked to elaborate on Cox’s enduring popularity among players, Jones said, “He’s like your favorite granddad. If you have two granddads, he’s like your favorite granddad. The one who slips you the beer when you’re 18, or your first chaw of tobacco. He’s like your cool uncle, your favorite granddad.

“He’s won with talent and he’s won without talent. And he will win again.”

If this his Cox’s last season, the Braves just hope that Griffey will help make that happen for the venerable manager he’s wanted to play for for so long.

OTHER MATTERS:

Kelly Johnson and the Braves settled his arb case last night, the 2B settling at $2.825 million, the midpoint between what he’d asked for and what the Braves had offered when they swapped salary figures last month. Only Jeff Francoeur hasn’t settled, and he’s got a couple more days before his schedule arbitration hearing in Phoenix to settle or be prepared to get roasted, in effect, by the Braves’ representative at the hearing, who’ll point out every reason why he doesn’t deserve the $3.95 million salary he asked for (the Braves offered $2.8 mill).

– Tommy Hanson would be in Chipper’s starting rotation, even if that meant having a six-man rotation. Ask me to tell you that story later. Gotta get downstairs right now. Suffice to say, Chipper knows Bobby wouldn’t do a six-man rotation to begin the season, but Chipper would. He said Hanson is that good, and that it’s only a matter of when, not if, that Hanson moves into the No. 1 starter role for the Braves.

OK, time for the first workout. Braves should be wrapping up the annual team meeting they have before the first full-squad practice, one of the only times that Cox addresses them in a traditional pep-talk kind of speech (and I’m told it’s always a seriously motivational thing, believe it or not).

Before we head down to the field, thought I’d leave you with a tune as a nod to Griffey, who said being close to the fam is a big part of why he wanted to play for the Braves. (And if he changes course and signs with Seattle, we’re gonna take down this song and put up something appropriate later today — OK, just kidding. (Well, no, actually I’m not kidding.)

Oh, one other thing: To the guy who said he took Ken Rosenthal, seated to my right, for a Bon Jovi fan (after I said Rosenthal pulled out a Clash CD when he got here while ago). Ken was offended by that suggestion. “Bruce,” said Rosenthal, a Long Island native who’s a big fan of Jersey musician Springsteen, not Bon Jovi. “In fact, I take that as an insult. I take a lot of heat from bloggers, but Bon Jovi? Come on.”

“FAMILY MAN” by Pat Green

I can remember my grandpa when I was five years old

He’d pull me up on his knee

And I remember every story that he ever told

He and my grandma well they would always be

Two southern lovers just kissing on each other so tenderly

 

And he’d say, all I ever wanted to be was your family man

To work real hard girl and give you everything I can

I just want to be your family man

Tell the children that I’ll always lend a helping hand

I just want to be your family man

Just want to be your family man

 

Mom and Dad worked real hard to raise us kids

They were always there for me

And it didn’t matter what it was I did

They’ve seen the hard times, the sickness and the hell

It didn’t really take too long

Before they found that money it don’t mean wealth

 

And he’d say, all I ever wanted to be was your family man

To work real hard girl and give you everything I can

I just want to be your family man

Tell the children that I’ll always lend a helping hand

I just want to be your family man

Just want to be your family man

 

Last night I had a dream from heaven up above

He taught me how to win her heart and win her love

He said it I was going to love you

then listen to what He said and do it his way

 

And he’d say, all I ever wanted to be was your family man

To work real hard girl and give you everything I can

I just want to be your family man

Tell the children that I’ll always lend a helping hand

I just want to be your family man

Just want to be your family man

 

He said you just got to be her family man

Work real hard boy, but live your life according to my plan

You just got to be her family man

Tell the children, tell them exactly who I am

You just got to be her family man

Just got to be her family man

103 comments Add your comment

Redirect

February 18th, 2009
11:03 pm

DOB

Please refer to the urban dictionary for the term “dooshe”. I do believe it would make you laugh. Incorrect spelling = invalid argument.

Redirect

February 18th, 2009
11:14 pm

CT in AL

Please refer to the urban dictionary to reference the term “dousche”. It has no meaning unless paired with another word, such as “box”.

Danga

February 19th, 2009
12:00 am

Robert…From the way I understand this, journalists write articles, some better than others. They submit said articles to the paper where said articles are then mutilated (edited) and have a headline applied to them. These folks are rather interested in selling newspapers or ad space on a web site so they tend to get carried away at times. So from an article that reports that Griffey tells a friend that he is choosing the braves gets turned into Griffey Picks Braves over Mariners.

Reporters must do their job and report what they know. From where I sit, that happened.

Mania

February 19th, 2009
12:00 am

C’mon! DOB didn’t loose the deal, he got us excited about the possibility of having Griffey. Frank Wren and the Braves tight budget from Liberty Media lost the deal and the other mishaps in the fall. Don’t tell me that you’ve never told someone something that you heard from someone else only to find out later it wasn’t true? C’mon! We’ve all been there. Now let’s all hold hands and dance to a Clay Aiken song and move on past this.

Robby

February 19th, 2009
12:01 am

DOB, i rarely post here, but i have to chime in on this topic. I know how hard it is to please the public. I work in retail, and I umpire Little League Baseball. I’m sure you know that it is impossible to make everyone happy. Let me just say that i respect the hell out of what you do, and i sure would like to meet you one day to talk some baseball. You do a fantastic job and I say keep up the good work. I come on this blog everyday to get my braves info and I am on this roller coaster of emotions just like every other passionate braves fan. These people who are bashing and jeering DOB need a life. its so depressing seeing these people out of control. I can understand their emotions, but not their actions. Kudos to you DOB for taking the un-needed heat with substance.

Brad in MT

February 19th, 2009
12:01 am

Robert….you never cease to amaze me, just when I think you couldn’t be a bigger idiot you go and top yourself

Chop Chop

February 19th, 2009
12:03 am

Waiting for Griffey’s arrival is kinda like waiting for Godot, ain’t it?

spotts

February 19th, 2009
12:05 am

MVH
I believe DOB was using a well known (but not always well understood) sentiment known as sarcasm when he said he’d start saying “no comment” to every potential move the Braves make. I suppose that’s what everyone who’s hating wants.

RacerX

February 19th, 2009
12:06 am

Dave,
Big fan of your work. I actually think you are one of the better baseball beat writers in the biz. Having said that, IMHO you dropped the ball on this one.

I doubt that Jr. based this decision on your reporting, but I do think that your reporting in this case left something to be desired. You wrapped a whole story around something Griffey might have told a friend. That’s not really news. The editors of your paper made it worse by sensationalizing the title, but the tone of your story is pretty definitive. Even in this posting, you write that the Glavine signing is “inevitable,” just like the Griffey signing.

The Bravos have had the worst offseason in recent memory, and I know you had nothing to do with that. However, I do think you should admit that you made some mistakes here and move on.

Keep up the good work. The real baseball fans of Atlanta aren’t going to bail on you for one small mistake. Hopefully, we can sign Tommy and Garret Anderson and this will all be forgotten.

SP

February 19th, 2009
12:06 am

DOB,

I don’t post much (though you often answer questions when I do) but I am a fervent reader and just wanted to reiterate what many of the loyalists have already said… THANKS. I know you are as frustrated as us fans that the Braves have been spurned like this twice in the same offseason (though I don’t consider Griffey’s as egregious as Furcal’s which, as you mentioned, is unprecedented). Anyway, please keep up the good work and give us your honest opinion in the blog. I’m not sure how I’d get through the offseason without it.

DOBOMETER

February 19th, 2009
12:07 am

DOB, Come on man , dont lie , just come clean on the thing.

Ryan

February 19th, 2009
12:07 am

kirkinga

February 19th, 2009
12:07 am

Ok, well maybe..now…fans will have learned their lesson. No celebrating, or making out line ups that include any players who haven’t passed a physical and signed an actual contract, not a “term sheet”, but the actual agreement.

Now let’s get Garret Anderson in here, who is younger and is a better clutch hitter. This is a fixable situation and I’m betting Anderson isn’t going to have any dilemmas as to where he wants to play.

I feel for Frank Wren, really, he has tried so hard and unfortunately had to deal with some sketchy people.Griffey is returning home just as Glavine did last season. If Wren takes anything from this offseason, I hope that he is quicker to retract an offer.

John Quest

February 19th, 2009
12:08 am

Robby, Umpire LL Baseball?? Do you make the parents of the players sit in their cars?

Ryan

February 19th, 2009
12:08 am

Am I the only one here who noticed that the article proclaiming Griffey was coming to the Braves due to “sources” (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/braves/stories/2009/02/17/braves_griffey.html?imw=Y) was co-wrote by Terence Moore? I have a strong suspicion that “a person close to the veteran outfielder and familiar with the negotiations” was one of Moore’s sources and not DOB’s.

Given the fact that Moore never follows the Braves closely unless it involves a black player, I bet it was Moore’s source. Just a thought….

brent a.

February 19th, 2009
12:10 am

Please read . . .

Folks, before you state your opinions, please go back and read everything that DOB and/or the AJC staff (as well as other beat writers) have written in regards to Griffey over the last few days. (Ignore the headlines, because the writers do not write them. However, DOB may write his headline for the blogs, he’ll have to answer that one).

Read the exact words. Read what is sourced, what is opinion, etc.
Also, be sure to gain an understanding of the context in which each statement is made.

Once you’ve done that, your thoughts on the matter become more valid.

I don’t care what side of the fence you fall on this; but, some of you are embarrassing yourself by taking shots at a professional regarding his perceived poor reporting, without getting your own facts in order first.

TB

February 19th, 2009
12:10 am

DOB,
Looser, indeed. Thou hast loosed the blogs of war.

Or something.

I’m primarily a lurker, but wanted to post and say I’ve enjoyed the stories, the speculating, the discussing. You did nothing wrong in my eyes. Don’t let the b*stards get you down. Something tells me you won’t.

Ryan

February 19th, 2009
12:10 am

Am I the only one here who noticed that the article proclaiming Griffey was coming to the Braves due to “sources” (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/braves/stories/2009/02/17/braves_griffey.html?imw=Y) was co-wrote by Terence Moore? I have a strong suspicion that “a person close to the veteran outfielder and familiar with the negotiations” was one of Moore’s sources and not DOB’s.

Given the fact that Moore never follows the Braves closely unless it involves a black player, I bet it was Moore’s source. Just a thought….

SCJames

February 19th, 2009
12:10 am

DOB, even though this didn’t work out you are still the best Braves beat writer there is. The anger people are having over this is like we just lost out on Manny. I mean seriously, we lost out on one year of Griffey, not as big of a deal as people making it out to be. Keep doing the great job you are doing DOB

DOBOMETER

February 19th, 2009
12:11 am

DOB , Answer Robert’s 11:43 !!!!!!!!!

circus freak

February 19th, 2009
12:12 am

The keys are Willie Mays and personal service contracts. Hank or Domnique could advise Griffey on the benefits of these. News belongs on the front page, opinions belong in blogs.

MVH

February 19th, 2009
12:12 am

Spotts: I understand that, but DOB relishes the opportunity to get sarcastic (as I often do), so I’m hoping he doesn’t begin to substitute sarcasm in place of his opinion. Normally, he’d give his opinion, but twice he gave the “no comment” response. Once would have made the point. I’m just hoping he doesn’t resort to that in the future. Afterall, I come to this blog for the facts, but also for his opinion.

White Mike

February 19th, 2009
12:14 am

While we are talking about the outfield and who should sign who, does anyone here actually remember the opening day OF the last year the Braves made the playoffs?
Look it up, I think you would be suprised. Hint: Yeah, Raul Mondesi was on it.
Point is, you never know what’s going to happen until the guys take the field.

Hey, I use to work in the sports writing biz, and I know DOB is taking this hard. He puts too much of his heart into this work not to be. It is hard to seperate these things when you pour everything into your work and trust it out into a public arena, trust me, I know.

Keep it up DOB, your great at what you do.

And to shed some light on the ‘AJC should fire so and so’ comments. The AJC brass is sitting around drinking champagne and making a toast to every hit they get on this site tonight. Still think it’s funny or strange the ‘Griffy picks Braves’ story is still up or that the AJC themselves put up a ‘Are we to Blame? forum.
Editors learn one thing early in their careers: Controversy (not news) = Readership = Advertising Dollars.

brent a.

February 19th, 2009
12:14 am

Also,

I’m really glad that Frank Wren’s new plan of keeping the Braves’ dealings and intentions “close to the vest” is working out so well.

I barely had any idea that Derek Lowe had been in town, that Scott Boras was pushing him to sign here, that the Braves had Keith Jackson or someone on a video asking him to come, etc.

This Griffey thing, boy, caught me completely by surprise. I had no idea that the Braves were interested in him. That he was expected to platoon with Diaz. That Chipper was already considering whether or not he would be batting 3rd or 4th.

Everything is so “hush-hush” now.

I miss the old days when Doyle Alexander disappears in the middle of the season, and the first we hear of it is at the beginning of the TBS broadcast. Those deals always seemed to pay off better.

MattyO

February 19th, 2009
12:15 am

DOB, I wouldn’t worry about this. You were just doing what everybody wants you to do and report if you hear of anything that might happen. Obviously things don’t always happen as they seem they will. The Braves definitely know about that this off-season. It happens, what are you gonna do? Just accept it and move on. I hope this doesn’t stop you from giving your opinion on things in the future. Keep up the good work.

spotts

February 19th, 2009
12:16 am

Let’s recap Frank Wren’s offseason:

1) He didn’t completely bend over for Padres GM Towers to get Jake Peavy
2) He didn’t offer close to $100 million over several years for an injury prone pitcher
3) He didn’t guarantee $5 million for a 41 year old pitcher coming off arm surgery who wouldn’t pitch until June
4) He signed 2 decent pitchers in a market full of average and below average pitchers
5) He got hit below the belt by Furcal and his agents
6) He would have liked to have Griffey but didn’t want to pay too much for an aging injury prone outfielder (unless of course Griffey’s reasoning really is because of the AJC’s reporting. In which case, what a baby….how would he hold up in New York or Philly?)

The Goche

February 19th, 2009
12:17 am

DOB,

I doubt you’ll answer this just because it’s kind of personal and I would only answer a question like that in the company of friends, not surrounded by a bunch of pissed off idiots.

But what do you think about when you deal with something like this?

Are you mad at yourself? Or do you question what you could have done different?

Are you upset, but grounded in the fact that you know you did your job with the best info there was?

Or are you so prepared for the ridiculousness that is sports news backlash that you know crap like this happens and it doesn’t even bother you.

I myself would, if not torturing myself wondering what I could have done better, would at least be rethinking all the time and energy I had put forth for such an ungrateful bunch of morons and would probably scale back the blogging at least for a while.

If you keep at it full-speed, man, I’d be impressed. That takes some stones.

Good work sir, sorry for the bump in the road.

Iron Giant

February 19th, 2009
12:18 am

In reading the blog tonight, I am suddenly reminded of how many idiots lamented the John Rocker trade because we let a fellow hillbilly go in exchange for three good players.

The difference between DOB and a good 70% of the hicks flaming him right now is wit. Okay, it’s wit, spelling skill and proper punctuation.

Chop Chop

February 19th, 2009
12:19 am

brent a.,

It’s more fun not to know what the hell is going on and just shoot from the hip. That’s the American way, dude. I can’t even comprehend what I just wrote. I certainly do not understand the previous sentence’s context.

DOB DID THIS!

(I feel better now.)

Oddibe McDowell

February 19th, 2009
12:19 am

Well Earl, I guess everything worked out for the best. Don’t they say you can’t miss what you never had? Well, we’ve never had Griffey Jr., and you guys have never had a playoff contender. And I know you’re super(sonic) happy he came back because crappy baseball team probably would’ve been following your crappy basketball team to Oklahoma City. We lost a player to you, you lost an entire team to OKLAHOMA CITY. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

spotts

February 19th, 2009
12:19 am

looser sounds like an adjective you’d use to make fun of a buddy’s girlfriend

John Quest

February 19th, 2009
12:19 am

Doyle Alexander was a right handed Charlie Leibrandt. I miss the days when you could buy a $0.50 seat out in center field (Fulton County) and upgrade to behind homeplate by the 3rd inning.

Serge45

February 19th, 2009
12:19 am

DOB – love the stuff, can’t get enough of your posts. i’m sure you’re pressed for time but, if you’re the reflective type, i’d love to hear a little from you about two topics related to this griffey stuff – 1) the AJC’s headline (and to a lesser extent, your story) and how that could relate to the themes in the last season of the wire, namely the pressure on papers and the type of people that might be working in certain positions, and 2) though i love the blog and read it more than anything else on the internet other than my e-mail, does this make you or anyone else a little more cautious about what you say in a blog setting? i’m smart enough to differentiate what you report from your opinion, but unfortunately others are not. might this be something you mention in another lecture at GSU or in the book you will one day write?

keep up the good work and keep us in mind when you get a big buck offer from a national service, a la wyche and custance (should that be a route you wish to go down)

N8

February 19th, 2009
12:20 am

It is irony at it’s finest, if in fact one of Terrence Moore’s stories is gonna keep a very prominant, HOF African American OF from joining the Braves, huh?

Who’s he gonna blame now?

Lyuff

February 19th, 2009
12:21 am

DOB (and all)

I read this blog daily but I have only posted once before (I was outraged when we let Smoltz walk and I posted to vent my frustration about that).

At any rate, I just want to say to DOB – “Keep up the good work.” I appreciate all the good info and all the hard work that goes behind getting that info out to us. I’ve often told many of my friends this is the best place to go for news about the Braves.

As for this offseason for the Braves…it’s been unreal to follow. The word ‘disaster’ doesn’t even begin to describe it…I guess the news of the past couple of days is just the final chapter. At least I hope so…

brent a.

February 19th, 2009
12:21 am

fastaballs,

I think Griffey suffers from “gigantism”.

That is, if I remember my “The Simpsons” history correctly.

Redirect

February 19th, 2009
12:21 am

Iron Giant

Very clever line at 12:18! Good stuff!!!

spotts

February 19th, 2009
12:22 am

And hey….maybe Griff will finally win that championship. Do the Mariners still have Horacio Ramirez and Chris Reitsma? They’re a lock for the AL Pennant if they do.

Chop Chop

February 19th, 2009
12:22 am

White Mike,

I love those forums, man. They make my head hurt.

Rahul

February 19th, 2009
12:23 am

This whole situation is absolutely ridiculous, why are people getting angry at DOB for stating his opinion on the outcome of a deal? First off, like others have stated, if the report actually had an influence on Griffey in the slightest, something is not right and his mind was not really made up. Secondly, why is everybody acting like Griffey was going to put this team over the top? Sure, he would have been an alright addition, but he can’t play defense anymore and can only hit righties. Most likely he would be just about a 1 win player…it’s not a dealbreaker.

THE BEAR

February 19th, 2009
12:23 am

David O’Brien

February 18th, 2009
10:18 pm
“Sam, I’ve got no beef with Bowman, other than his Kodiac-tobacco spit smells horrid when left on pressbox row. Now, some of my supervisors might not appreciate what he wrote, but I’ll explain to them that he was only writing what some Braves officials were saying”

—————————

David, I have long known you were a man of character and you just proved it with this post. I hope Bowman understands that also.

BTW, have you noticed that about 75% of these rabid attack dogs are using names I’ve never seen before and I have been reading your blog for agout two years now?

Illegitimi non carborundum

brent a.

February 19th, 2009
12:23 am

Chop Chop,

I certainly hope you understand that my post was not designed to be a criticism of DOB.

If not, read it again.

Whose name did I mention?

Tired of DOB

February 19th, 2009
12:24 am

when was the last time DOB was right about anything.

DOBOMETER

February 19th, 2009
12:27 am

DOB No reply now. Right time to call it a night , take the week off and start fresh with another blog.

John Quest

February 19th, 2009
12:27 am

If you’re tired of DOB, find another blog u a-whole.

AL

February 19th, 2009
12:28 am

C’s…no biggie. I took your orginal post as saying the article is why he signed with the Mariners. I don’t beleive that. That’s why I spoke up. If what you meant by it was that you wished AJC would stop posting false info then that’s fine.

Also, if DOB or any other writer gets info like that from a source it’s there job to make it known. If they don’t act first someone else will. These websites sell advertising space based on page hits. If your consistently the first with the scoop then your site is going to consistently get revisited.

I really think AJC, DOB, and the other guy are just victims of a cya job by Griffey and his agent. Griffey’s daughter is still gonna have to do whatever it is she does (I think it was basketball, don’t care to go back and check) in the Atlanta area. So if you’re daddy you don’t want your daughter to have to deal with fan backlash while you sit comfortably in Seattle.

Again, no biggie…I’m tired…good night.

Danga

February 19th, 2009
12:28 am

I think all of these posts are just one really bored person. And I really wish they would just take a sleeping pill (or a bottle) and go to bed.

LKS

February 19th, 2009
12:29 am

LMAO!! You folks are funny. DOB I hope you have a stiff drink sitting next to you :) It makes the posts quite humorous. Where are all you people during the season??? My finger hurts after scrolling through all the DOB bashers

elliwg6

February 19th, 2009
12:29 am

DOB,

So you have said repeatedly that you don’t write the headlines for the stories, only the blogs. Wouldn’t it make sense for you to demand that you do? You’re a journalist, you can come up with a title that reflects the work within and attracts readers right? At least have the title receive your seal of approval. It’s not fair to you because someone else is basically impersonating you. What if the editors could add three sentences at the end of the article? You have to protect yourself and the words you write from being misinterpreted.

In reality, you’re right, the words in the articles are either obviously opinions, speculation or fact. You say you think he’ll be a brave. Speculate as to his reasons. State the facts about his calls to Chipper.

The titles are the killers though. I would seriously look into it. On more than one occasion it’s hurt you bc you say it all the time. You’re being misrepresented. You have a Kick-A following, its not like the titles have to “spice up” your work. Just title everything DOB article # and people will eat it up just like they always have.

But seriously thanks for all you do. Getting the players on the blogs, the up to the minute information. The reason your following is upset is that you’ve spoiled them so much. It’s like the 10 year old who wines because he can’t go to DisneyLand for the 13th time this year. We’ll get over it

John Quest

February 19th, 2009
12:29 am

pour a night-cap, I’m on my 3rd.

N8

February 19th, 2009
12:31 am

Now Robert, in fairness (since I stuck up for you a bit), DOB has stated MANY times that he doesn’t write the headlines.

As far as I’m concerned, there isn’t ANYTHING in that paragraph of the story (the one you quoted at 11:43 and that I’ll quote again so nobody has to scroll up), that isn’t just being quoted from a source. They typed:

“The Braves’ star power is set to rise as Ken Griffey Jr. has decided to play for the Braves, a person close to the veteran outfielder and familiar with the negotiations told the Journal-Constitution.”

What part of “A PERSON CLOSE TO THE VETERAN OUTFIELDER AND FAMILIAR WITH THE NEGOTIATIONS TOLD THE JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION.”???

I’m just curious. You seem like a smart guy, when you set your mind to it. I picked up (and agreed with) your noticing of DOB’s “opinion” and observation of Chipper’s facial expression at the end of a quote of Chippers. Insinuating that the deal is (or was about to be) done. You are ABSOLUTELY correct in assessing that situation.

In this one, however, you are not.

You want facts? Read the TRANSACTIONS section of the newspaper, or any of the online publications/sports outlets.

You want rumors, dig for them. You want inside information/substantiated rumors about the ATLANTA BRAVES? Read DOB’s blog.

For a guy that doesn’t appreciate the blog, dislikes the blog-master, and can’t wait for Bobby to retire, you sure spend a lot of time following the Braves and posting on the old blog.

Why?

spotts

February 19th, 2009
12:31 am

I’d just like to repeat that I’m pretty sure all this bashing isn’t really bothering DOB

Chop Chop

February 19th, 2009
12:32 am

brent a.,

I was making an attempt at humor based on your post. There are many people in this country who cannot read anything without misconstruing or misunderstanding what is typed or written. As well-meaning as your post is, I fear that the people you are imploring to inform themselves are simply unable or unwilling to do so.

“Why come I gotta read stuff?” seems to be the most pressing question for some bloggers.

brent a.

February 19th, 2009
12:34 am

spotts,

I appreciate the sentiment of your last post. Throughout this off-season, I have been happy to point out that each situation in which the Braves did not obtain their target, was not always the fault of the Braves, and in each situation (including this one with Griffey), there were some unpredictable or uncontrollable circumstances that came into play that led to the Braves not achieving their target.

That being said, on a collective basis, all of these failed moves point directly FW’s inability to close a deal.

Even with your #1 above, you are ignoring some important facts. It has become pretty clear that Jake Peavy did not want to be a Brave AFTER he had submitted the Braves as one of five (I think) teams he would be willing to accept a trade to.

Also, Chipper Jones stated something to the effect of, “Jake would be here if he wanted to be.”

Now, is it Wren’s fault that Peavy did not want to be a Brave? I would say that yes, at least partially, it is Wren’s fault. After-all, what made Peavy change his mind? Part of Wren’s job is not just to sign and trade players, but it’s also his job to help sell players on this franchise. It worked with Lowe (to Wren’s credit), but in many other instances, he has been unable to sell players on this franchise.

Now, even if you want to say that Wren didn’t have a chance to talk to Peavy, then his job is to get the message to Jake (whether through his agent, other players, or Padres management) that Atlanta is a perfect place for him. He couldn’t accomplish that.

On an individual basis, there are good, even great excuses for why the Braves failed to land Peavy, Furcal, Burnett, Smoltz, Griffey, and Hampton.

But, on a collective basis, one can definitely see a disturbing pattern with what has transpired, especially in light of the fact that each of this has happened since October.

The list is too high and wide to simply look at each individual case and excuse them all collectively.

CW

February 19th, 2009
12:34 am

DOB, Thanks for all the good work. Don’t listen to all these idiots.

brent a.

February 19th, 2009
12:35 am

Chop Chop,

Gotcha. (I misunderstood b/c of what you put in bold).
Peace.

N8

February 19th, 2009
12:35 am

“I’d just like to repeat that I’m pretty sure all this bashing isn’t really bothering DOB”: spotts:

Each post counts as a blog “hit”, right? I’m gonna agree with you. DOB’s smiling as the blog “counter” rises by about 3 or 4 a minute (I’m doing my part).

Bubdylan

February 19th, 2009
12:36 am

“wren is starting to remind me of jack lemmon in GLENGARY GLENNROSS.” -Uga-brave

Frank to JS: “It’s streaks, John, it always runs in streaks…”

Chop Chop

February 19th, 2009
12:37 am

Dammit…

Hank Aaron helped him do it! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

This whole story is strange, man.

dkmo10

February 19th, 2009
12:37 am

Man i feel like a used hooker now that griffey has used us. Furcal has used us and idk if Burnett used us or not. Im tired of getting my hopes up. Thank you Lowe for atleast coming here when u said you would welcome an invitation to pitch for atlanta!!!! Im tired of this BS. Dont say you would love to play for the braves unless 1 your going to really do it and 2 you really mean it not to get someone jealous so they offer more money and you go to the other team!!! Forget you griffey go home and play where they are going to boo you if u stink it up. Braves fans wouldn’t.

Redstick19

February 19th, 2009
12:38 am

Screw all the jokers and fair-weather fans, DOB. I still got love for ya, brother. These thiings happen sometimes. I know that if you put it in a story, then you must have felt comfortable with your information/sources. Besides, this is your blog- not theirs. I shutter to think how most of these frequent bloggers, with their blatent knee-jerk reactions, would cover this beat. You do great work, and this blog has become part of my everyday life… so, blog on, my friend.

brent a.

February 19th, 2009
12:39 am

elliwg6,

Writers are not position to write their own headlines.

When headlines are written, many factors go into them, including how much space is available.

I would say that writers do occasionally suggest a headline, but, it’s not feasible for them to make a habit of it.

It’s not the way that newspapers are operated.

Auditdawg

February 19th, 2009
12:39 am

DOB,

Keep your head up chief. I don’t understand the vitriol sent your way when you were only giving your opinion that you believed the Griffey deal would get done today similar to your belief that a Peavy deal would get done. You never reported that they were done deals and that’s the point that many seem to be missing. When emotions get involved, irrational things are said. Regretfully, emotions are typically involved when it comes to an individual’s favorite sports teams and irrationality runs rampant. Keep up the good work on the blog. You help me get through the work day with updates about my favorite team.

Jake W.

February 19th, 2009
12:40 am

Please cut the crap everyone. It’s not DOB’s fault or Mr. Moore. If someone told them Ken Griffey said he was coming to the Braves its because thats what Ken Griffey said. God forbid the guy actually change his mind and decide to go somewhere else. Geez, you guys are crying over a platoon player, but I know he was gonna be the best platoon player in history, right? Stop speculating and when the guy actually and I mean actually makes an official statement that comes out his mouth then go with that, until then shut-up.

And to N8 you’re no better than Mr. Moore with your comments. If you don’t like the guy don’t read him. You’re not gonna agree with everybody and looks like he still getting payed to write stories so why does it even matter. Grow up.

N8

February 19th, 2009
12:41 am

“Part of Wren’s job is not just to sign and trade players, but it’s also his job to help sell players on this franchise. It worked with Lowe (to Wren’s credit)…” brent a

Now, for the most part I think you stated your 12:34 VERY NICELY. I agree with all of it, except for the last statement.

Why? Money. When was the last time that a Boras client took the “lesser” offer? Wren offered more money than anybody else. Period.

Give kudos to Boras. While he certainly didn’t handle the Manny situation very well this year. He handled Lowe perfectly. Kept him waiting in the wings until all the dust settled after CC and Burnett signed and hovered around the desperate Braves like any good vulture would.

As I’ve stated many times, GOOD FOR US. Lowe is the guy we should have been targeting all along. All he’s gonna cost us is a 2nd round pick. LA can’t have our first because it’s too high in this year’s draft.

Well played by Wren. Too bad it wasn’t the planned “play”.

Herbert Hoover

February 19th, 2009
12:43 am

DOB, I could care less about your ability to predict where an aging left handed hitter with diminished bat speed will end up.
Now if you can tell me when the Feds will finally decide to nationalize the banking system based on an inability to accurately give an accounting of the trillions in toxic assets?? Also when will a move have to be made with the insurance industry and the liabilities it has in respect to variable annuity payments. Also the lingering spectre of the Big 3 failure continues to gain momentum. No real cure to the foreclosure crisis, but maybe you have some thoughts.

I know all this fades into insignificance in comparison with the plight of the Braves’off season acquisitions, but still the potential glitches to be thrown into a MLB season by a global economic meltdown, still merit some conversation.

Where is Scott Boras?? Still saying
“It’s business as usual and the economy has no effect on MLB?” Sleeze like Scott Boras deserve to be perp walked down Main Street as a result of thumbing his nose at about 300,000,000 Americans who can’t relate to a future Marie Antoinette saying 20 mil isn’t enough for a reprobate like Manny.

Robby

February 19th, 2009
12:44 am

John Quest:

Man, sometimes i wish i could. Don’t get me wrong, some parents are awesome and thank me after games for a job well done, but others, well, don’t. If a play is even remotely close then it doesn’t matter what you call, 50% of the parents will want to clean your clock it seems. I will say this though: you will grow some tough skin if you ump Little League.

brent a.

February 19th, 2009
12:45 am

N8,

I agree with you at 12:41.

I think it is pretty evident that Boras steered Lowe here, as opposed to it strictly being a matter of Wren reeling him in.

Chop Chop

February 19th, 2009
12:47 am

DAYUMIT LIBERTY GIVE US CHEDDER SO WE CAN GET SOME MANNY CAKE

Posted by: Braddd | February 18, 2009 at 09:42 PM

(I found that one on MLB Trade Rumors. I wish we had more comments like that.)

Chop Chop

February 19th, 2009
12:49 am

One page of those comments and the typos are already burning holes in my brain.

N8

February 19th, 2009
12:49 am

“And to N8 you’re no better than Mr. Moore with your comments. If you don’t like the guy don’t read him. You’re not gonna agree with everybody and looks like he still getting payed to write stories so why does it even matter. Grow up. Jake W

WTH are you talking about? My comment about irony about Moore’s column?

First of all, I don’t think the article(s) had ANYTHING to do with it. Mariners offered more money. Period. End of discussion. But make no mistake, Wren could have closed this deal sooner, if he wanted to. That or pulled the offer, as to NOT look like he got played (again).

Second of all, Terrence Moore is nothing more than a whining guy who cries “race card” whenever he gets a chance. Sure, David Justice (an African American) was traded from the Braves. But Kenny Lofton (another African American) was part of the deal coming the other way.

My statement is that Moore is always crying for the Braves to have more African American’s on the team (never mind that there are less African Americans in MLB in general than in years past, with the Latin explosion in recent years), and wouldn’t it be IRONIC if the reason (again, I think it had NOTHING to do with it), that Griffey wasn’t coming to Atlanta was BECAUSE of a story Terrence Moore wrote?

Besides, have you NOT been reading my complete azz-kissing of DOB in the past hour?

Try and keep up A-hole. Congrats. You’re the first person I’ve called a name to on the blog in quite some time. Takes me getting pretty pizzed off to do it. Well done.

uga-brave

February 19th, 2009
12:50 am

Bubdylan, only two days before a potential francoeur arbitration hearing. that should be good for plenty of comic relief.

Scott

February 19th, 2009
12:53 am

“Just a matter of time before it’s official.” Really? I had read that before on this blog, but this time I actually believed it.

Silly me. Burned again. Way to get my hopes up, DOB, for the third time this winter. I felt like I was on my way in the limo to pick up Ken Griffey Jr. for the prom, and now I’m pregnant and stuck in a trailer park with Matt Diaz. I know they aren’t trying to, but it baffles me that the Braves would even consider breaking camp with the same outfield that set new standards for slugging incompetence last year.

N8

February 19th, 2009
12:54 am

uga

I think Jeff’s arbitration hearing has about as much chance of going “well” for him, as the Menendez Brothers preliminary hearing went.

Perhaps worse.

N8

February 19th, 2009
12:56 am

Scott, what on earth were you doing planning on going to the Prom with Griffey? And how on earth did you get pregnant?

Actually, never mind. I just ate.

Steven

February 19th, 2009
12:56 am

Hang in there David!! Some of us appreciate the work….. Never ending work. People out there in blog land lay off David, he is not Jr. he did not feed Chipper all that info, did he? NO. DOB is giving us insight as he knows it, which is more than any of us know. He does not throw out rumors just for the fun of it. He had a source, from a friend of JR’s and Chipper. So all in all , GO BRAVES!!!!

N8

February 19th, 2009
1:00 am

uga, in reality, I actually worry about Jeff having to sit through his own hearing. I think the only way he might come out of it alright is if he lost his hearing before Friday.

If fact, there’s a good chance that Curtis Pride would cringe at some of the things being said at that hearing.

Saltywoody

February 19th, 2009
1:06 am

As I see it, this is the same scenario playing itself out over and over again.

The Braves are unwilling to step up and pay more than everyone else. They try to lowball guys and hope to catch a bargain somewhere. That used to work when the Braves were a winning franchise, Bobby was guaranteed to be there year in and year out, and they had a reputation that drew players to them.

Now, they’re a mediocre, middle-of-the-road ballclub with a great manager that may be gone soon, an aging superstar on the decline, a lot of young, unproven talent and a fanbase that’s can largely be described as apathetic (despite most of us on here).

It’s why Peavy didn’t want to come here. It’s why Burnett went elsewhere. It’s why Furcal didn’t sign. It’s why we lost Griffey. It’s why arguably one of the greatest pitchers in team history felt slighted and went elsewhere, even after expressing his desire to retire here. It’s why we were able to sign Lowe. Money, plain and simple.

The Braves aren’t good enough anymore to lowball guys. They have to pay, just like everyone else. Griffey’s just another example of that. And Bowman’s comment, in my opinion anyway, is nonsense. Griffey took more money, just like every other free agent that apparently has slighted the Braves this offseason.

If the Braves don’t offer the most money, they won’t get the top notch player. Simple as that.

uga-brave

February 19th, 2009
1:10 am

n8,

don’t laugh, but if he has made the adjustments he says he has regarding his stance, hands, and stride, i think he might actually have a pretty darn good year.

you can get off the floor now.

DAP

February 19th, 2009
1:14 am

i guess garret anderson would be an ok option to share time with diaz in left, and edmonds would be even better.

but, i wonder if wren ever would have even talked to griffey if griffey hadnt made first contact? im thinking he probably wouldnt have.

which means if im the agent of edmonds or anderson, im calling wren first thing in the morning and tell him “hey! my client would love to play for the braves!!!”

Bravosimos

February 19th, 2009
1:14 am

“Sources have indicated that Griffey’s tide turned shortly after he became upset with the fact that The Atlanta-Journal Constitution was reporting that he’d already decided to play for the Braves.”

What?

Get your sources straight! Good job

uga-brave

February 19th, 2009
1:15 am

saltywoody,

here, here. i second that.

Bravosimos

February 19th, 2009
1:19 am

Hi, I’m david o’brien and i’m a great reporter. I like to be the first to report news if it’s right or not. I’m the best! I’m DOB.

DAP

February 19th, 2009
1:21 am

bravosimos we get your point. your really just being stupid at this point. and youre nowhere close to being funny or clever.

Bravosimos

February 19th, 2009
1:23 am

Griffey’s a Brave! JR’s a Brave! oh wait… I guess I need to find out how to be a reporter. What exactly does report mean?

Bravosimos

February 19th, 2009
1:24 am

hey, I’m DOB and I look really cool in my leather jacket! yeah!!!

Billy (Braves fan in 585)

February 19th, 2009
1:25 am

Saltywoody… gross by the way… your last post was 100% right. I think a lot of us aren’t used to the Braves being in this state despite that it’s been a few years in the coming.

Anyone else watching Conan? Really gonna miss that show.

DOB keep bloggin.

Bravosimos

February 19th, 2009
1:26 am

Griffey chooses Braves over M’s!…..? ….come again?

AJ

February 19th, 2009
1:30 am

To Chop Chop @ 12:03 a.m….

I don’t know why everyone was waiting, Godot never could hit the cutoff man.

Bravosimos

February 19th, 2009
1:30 am

Hi, I’m DAP( you see how that’s close to DOB..yeah!) DOB is my idol….I blog all the time! I’m a blogger! So anyone that disagrees with me, or more importantly DOB, is sooo wrong and stupid!

Bravosimos

February 19th, 2009
1:32 am

Waiting for Griffey’s arrival… or not. Might want to change that caption

N8

February 19th, 2009
1:57 am

“bravosimos we get your point.” DAP

Uh…. speak for yourself. I’ve read all of the last few posts, and have YET to find a point.

Phil

February 19th, 2009
2:45 am

DOB, now you know how George Bush felt. It’s all your fault (said with the requisite amount of sarcasm, of course).

You blew the Griffey deal, you blew the Furcal deal. Apparently there’s no “free” will in free agency and a fickle player can’t change his mind like a shopaholic female in a shoe store. Curt Flood, I’ll be damned.

Peavy — well he’s not coming because you didn’t fork over those extra prospects, DOB. You’re the reason for the storms that came across Atlanta today. You hoodwinked a bunch of folks into some mortgages they couldn’t afford to help cause the economic crisis. It’s all your fault. Clearly, all your fault. Seriously.

Give me a break.

Everything you did was above board. Your article was carefully worded. I am sure Terry’s sourcing was spot on. It was your headline writers that turned a story about what a source said into a presumptuous NY tabloid-like headline that Griffey was coming here. Shame on them.

The fact is that Junior is an odd bird, if he got spooked by an AJC report of him coming to Atlanta before he made a decision. And “the Kid” is a tad eccentric to say the least.

However, more likely than not, he used the Braves offer to exact a better one from the Mariners. The whisperings that it’s the AJC’s fault gives him some cover.

Keep up the good work and don’t let the haters get you down.

Half these dolts would be using Ms. Cleo as their “source” for an alleged A-Rod to the Braves report for a sack of peanuts, a few baseballs, a three-year supply of “boli,” the mysterious “cousin” who injected the “boli,” and a Class AAA retread to be named later if they were in your position.

Greg Smith

February 19th, 2009
3:49 am

David I love you. Don’t worry about peoples comments. They just want to vent. Love the info you give us. Best live album of all time Little Feat Waiting For Columbus.

BT

February 19th, 2009
8:08 am

The only enjoyable thing about this is seeing all these critics come out that have never authored anything on this blog. As with any endeavor in life reporters/journalists who work hard, dig, use their resources etc. sometimes don’t succeed every time. DOB will be at it again this morning and hopefully won’t let these “trash throwers” get him down. Next time he makes a big scoop and is quoted in half the sports pages in the country I hope all these negative “gurus” thank him and give him his due.

My advice is start a new blog, discuss what our options now in left field and keep doing a great job.

THE BEAR

February 19th, 2009
8:35 am

Griffey had something to sell. Seattle offered him $1 million and said it was not going to get into a bidding war. Griffey didn’t believe them and called Atlanta who he thought was the most likely to want to buy his services and he had contacts with Cox and Chipper. So he called.

Wren offered him $1.5 million and it was dutifully reported. Seattle became aware they were going to have to bid so they did. They not only topped Atlanta’s offer but they threw in an incentive deal to boot. The deal can net Griffey as much as $4.5 million. Now who in his right mind would not take $4.5 mil over $1.5 mil?

David’s story had nothing to do with his decision. It was a matter of money all the time. All the story did was get Seattle off its butt and to make an offer Griffey couldn’t refuse.

_______________________

This does bring up another problem DOB might want to discuss with his superiors. These blogs are not like newspaper stories. Blogs get instant and furious response. Headline writers and editors are just people and they don’t yet understand how their headlines work in this format. I think David has a good strong position for writing his own headlines for the blog. I’m sure they will not give that to him for his stories in the paper but for the blog he should write them. Of course there will be those stories that run in the paper and the blog. IN all cases David should have the right of consultation on his headlines. This is not good for the paper and not good for the blog and not good for David.

I remember the time when I reached semi retirement and had enough money to live comfortably. I began writing a column for a few small town papers. I decided that I would write my own headlines. I included in the deal that no editor could change one word in my submissions. He could square file anything but if he went to press it would be my words verbatim. I only had to drop one paper whose editor didn’t believe me but that guy took great delight in writing some of the most outrageous headlines imaginable. I detested that sob and was happy to get rid of him. David hasn’t reached that point in life yet but he does have a good case here for being involved in his headlines. Maybe he could write them and then if they were to be changed he would be consulted before any changes were made. That could work. What his editors did to him this time shouldn’t happen to any reporter.

Random

February 19th, 2009
8:52 am

THE BEAR: “I think David has a good strong position for writing his own headlines for the blog. I’m sure they will not give that to him for his stories in the paper but for the blog he should write them.”

I believe DOB does write his own headlines for the blog (but not the stories).

None of those were a problem to anyone who can parse 4th-grade newspaper English.

DOB accurately reported what Griffey told a friend. He drew an erroneous conclusion from that and from a myriad other evidence, but he never misled anyone or reported falsely.

He was wrong in his opinion, but it was appropriately labeled such (I mean, as an opinion, not as an error). Others were also wrong in their conclusions, but that was their own fault, not DOB’s. He and they were all working from the same information.

DOB’s been wrong before, but to my knowledge has never falsely reported anything.

TBAATIL

February 19th, 2009
9:16 am

Way to go DOB. Have fun writing for the Myrtle Beach Pelicans this year.

jjschiller

February 19th, 2009
10:15 am

Hey DOB, don’t give these guys too much credit… The harsh words have nothing to do with the passion they have for the team; it has everything to do with the public nature of your job and the anonymity the internet provides to them..

If these people had to come out at their jobs, and admit they’re the ones who can’t keep the mayonnaise off my Whopper, they wouldn’t talk so loud….

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