
James Daniel, certified financial planner with The Advisory Firm.
James Daniel, a certified financial planner and founder of The Advisory Firm, answers questions today about Social Security benefits. Each week, a planner or adviser discusses relevant and timely topics to help you with your financial strategies.
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Q: Last year at age 62, I was laid off and immediately filed for early Social Security benefits. I have since found a new job paying well above the income limit when taking early Social Security benefits. What are my options?
A: It’s a great question and one that many readers may relate to. When you take your Social Security benefits early (age 62 is the earliest you can apply) you are restricted in the amount of income you can earn all the way until your “full retirement age” as defined by the Social Security Administration. This year if you have gross income (W2 reportable) in excess of $14,160 your benefits will be penalized $1 for every $2 you are over that amount. With this in mind it makes sense to run the calculation to see if you will get any benefit at all from Social Security as long as you are employed.
If in fact you determine that you want to stop the Social Security checks and restart later on with a higher monthly benefit there is an option for you; it’s called Voluntary Withdrawal of Benefits. The SSA will allow you to request a withdrawal of your application and will treat it as if you had never applied early. The catch is that you must repay in one payment all benefits paid out to you including taxes and any other withholdings (no interest will be charged). Contact your Social Security office and ask for more information regarding form SSA521 or visit them on the web at www.ssa.gov.
Q: I am a teacher and spent the first 10 years of my career with a school system that withheld for Social Security. The past 20 years I have been with a local county system that doesn’t withhold for Social Security. Is there anything I need to know about my potential Social Security benefits when I retire?
A: Another good question as there are many municipalities and school systems in the metro area that opt out of Social Security (this means that they do not withhold Social Security taxes from your salary). In this situation there are two special provisions you need to be aware of that could affect your personal benefit or that received as a spouse/widower.
The first item is called the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) and isn’t routinely reflected on your Social Security statement. If you have covered earnings along with a period of non-covered earnings, the Windfall Elimination Provision means that your monthly benefit may be reduced from what your statement shows. The SSA uses a different formula for calculating your benefit and may require that you contact your SSA office to have them calculate your true benefit.
The second item is called Government Pension Offset and affects spouses, widows/widowers benefits. If you receive a pension from a local, state or federal government based on work where they did not withhold Social Security taxes, your Social Security benefit may be reduced if you are claiming Spouses or Widows benefits. A quick calculation is to take two-thirds of your monthly pension from the non-SSA covered job and subtract it from your estimated monthly Spouses or Widows benefit. That answer will be your estimated monthly benefit from Social Security. Once again this is a more complex area and it would be beneficial to contact your local SSA office to get further help.
Thank you for answering those questions, James.
Earlier this week, I attended a retirement seminar where there were plenty of questions about Social Security. Here’s what I found, including three ways to maximize your Social Security benefits.
It’s not just young families looking for income solutions.
At a recent retirement seminar in Marietta, a group gathered with hopes of hearing something they could use to complement their social security and other retirement benefits.
They were people like Lonnie Hollis, a 67-year-0ld retired educator who drove from LaGrange to get tips.
“Once people retire, retirement money is much less and you can’t live off that,” Hollis said. “I’m a budgeting person and I’m paying all my bills, but I wanted to know what else is available.”
According to the Social Security Administration’s annual report, 72 percent of men who filed for Social Security benefits last year did so before they could collect full benefits at age 66. The number increased more than 10 percent for women from 2008 to 2009.
“Because of the economy, people are trying to find ways to maximize their income,” said Bobbie Sims, a Social Security public affairs specialist in Marietta. “They want to figure out how to make Social Security go the farthest and how not to tap into their 401 (k) in order to take care of daily living expenses.”
David Kotschi, 63, lost his job and was not eligible for unemployment, he said. Eight months earlier, he’d also had heart surgery. Although his wife, Julie, works a part-time job, medical bills and other expenses overwhelm her salary and his Social Security benefits.
“We had money tucked aside,” he said. “Our house and our cars are paid for. But these are turbulent times for everyone.”
So, the couple came to the Retirement Solutions seminar to learn more about maximizing their benefits.
1. Retire, then retire again
A retiree collecting Social Security may find another well-paying job. In this scenario, the individual can withdraw benefits application and repay in one lump sum what they’d received. Later, they would reapply for what would be a larger Social Security benefit, as much as 30 percent higher. Additionally, the money that was received prior to gaining a new job can be put into an account to gain interest.
2. File and suspend
File for your retirement benefits so that your children or spouse can collect an amount based on your earnings record. Then, Sims said, suspend your benefits until age 70. According to Kiplinger, your benefits will increase an additional 8 percent for each year you delay collecting beyond your normal retirement age, up until age 70.
3. Wait
It’s not the answer many want to hear, but waiting longer to retire is key, Sims said. “Even if you find a job paying 1 million dollars a year, there is no reduction in benefit if you work until full-retirement age.”
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20 comments Add your comment
Buddy El
August 24th, 2010
11:47 am
I retired at 65 recieving maximum benefits. There are two reasons why I did that. I had a very good job that I liked and if I live to be 77 or older I will end up drawing more money in the long run than had I retired and started drawing at age 62
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11:49 am
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Jacklyn Hogan
August 24th, 2010
11:54 am
Dear Sir, I lost my job a year and a half ago. Two days before I lost my job my mother moved in with me as she could no longer live by herself. I can’t seem to find a job and I don’t know if I could take a job because my Mother needs someone with her most of the time. I have used up my 401K and am applying for early retirement. I would like to know if there is some help for those who have caretaker status of a family member that is retired .
John Radney
August 24th, 2010
11:56 am
Sorry Jimmy Carter got something through that penallizes me for retiring from the PO yet I paid my 40 quarters. Reckon he did that so his minorites can have mine. Haven’t voted for a democrat since and never will. Kids and their kids won’t either.
BG
August 24th, 2010
12:14 pm
I f Obama is our president for a second term social security will be gone.
truthmatters
August 24th, 2010
12:25 pm
@john radney,
nice try, you do realize that blacks and especially blackmen have a shorter life expectancy than whites, with white women having the longest. Therefore even right wingers such as Pat Buchanan have said that black are being tax unfairly by social security because on average blackmen will only live to receive two to three years of social security. Care to blame whitewomen for benefiting at the expense of blackmen?
Always looking for a scapegoat aren’t we! Instead of always trying to blame “those” people for your shortcoming look at your right wing congressman who are in the pockets of wall street. Care to imagine where you would be if the Repubs had given social security money to the crooks on wall street and let them handle it. I guess that would be the Minorities and Jimmy Carter fault as well.
ATLRetiree
August 24th, 2010
12:25 pm
Don’t know where you are getting your info BG, but it’s the Republicans who want to do away with Social Security. Contrary to what’s been in the news lately, Social Security is OK financially, and will be for many decades (especially if a few minor changes are made).
Rufio
August 24th, 2010
1:11 pm
I have been disabled for 3 years to the point that a pump has to deliver morphine into my spinal canal to attempt to fight the pain. The disability office of the SSA should be ashamed of themselves in how they process claims. The State of Georgia handles the first two rounds of denials and they take their sweet time to not review the file. Because if they had they would have seen what everyone else has seen that I am disabled. It is very frustrating when people from Social Security tell you that there should be no reason for the denial and you ask for help they tell you there is nothing they can do because it is different area.
Why must a disabled person go through the additional stress of being bankrupted because the so called workers and system are incapable of processing claims. I read last week an administrative law judge has not made a decision in one case in 7 years. What a nightmare for those people to have him as a judge.
If a private insurance company handled claims like SSA then our Government would should them down. I guess I should have checked the illegal alien box and I would have received benefits a long time ago.
ATL
August 24th, 2010
1:21 pm
What no one wants to say is those minor changes are increasing payroll taxes even more. SS will survive because no politician would end it but for most of us we would do much better if our money was managed outside of ss – very little return on our money.
ATL
August 24th, 2010
1:28 pm
Sorry about the difficulties Rufio. Hopefully people pay attention and go out and get some disability insurance so they do not have to rely 100% and hope they get approved for SS. Dealing with Government sucks.
James Daniel, CFP®
August 24th, 2010
1:38 pm
To: Jacklyn Hogan
Ms. Hogan,
I hate to hear of the financial difficulty you are having as a caregiver for your mother. Unfortunately, I am not aware of any special caregiver assistance as it relates to Social Security benefits.
If your mother is receiving her SS benefits and you have applied to receive your benefits early there really isn’t any other assistance from SSA. You may want to check with that state Medicaid office to inquire about caregiver assistance.
Rufio
August 24th, 2010
2:54 pm
ATL….Thanks…….Hurt at work, never missed a day at work, got laid off (no fault), worked for company as consultant, injury flares up, insurance company fights claim saying I used up all my WC benefits. I collected 75 weeks. Filed SSI because Work Comp will not declare catastrophic until disabled by SSA. SSA does nothing for 2 years. We sent documents showing morphine pump implanted, SSA did not take it into consideration, did not contact surgeon who implanted, did not contact doctor who is maintaining pump. SSA State of Georgia Adjudicator did nothing and everyone including politicians and staff sitting and doing nothing. They took my money though for the insurance………..Our system is a joke.
Jester_Vandalay
August 24th, 2010
3:32 pm
I’m planning on using various retirement strategies, the wife can retire on her SS earning at 62, shift to my SS account at 66 using the file and suspend, and I will remaining working till 70.
Wife SS 62 benefits: $3000/yr
Husband SS 66 benefits: $30,000/yr (file and suspend so the wife can step-up to 50% of my SS benefits)
Wife SS step-up benefits: $15,000/yr
Husband SS 70 benefits: $45,750/yr
If I should die before the wife then she will step-up to my full SS benefits, else she can collect $375,000 dollars from SS (based on living to 92 yrs) and I will collect $1,185,000 dollars (based on living to 92 yrs).
The hardest problem will be trying to spend all of the tax-free money during our retirement years on the grandkids.
Say it with a hug
August 24th, 2010
3:40 pm
ATLRetiree – If you choose to read the truth, our history books are full of the social security. It was a Democrate who started it, it was a democrate who turned it into a general fund and yes it was a democrate who actually voted and signed it into law that immigrants can collect our social security even though they never paid a penny into the sytem. By the way, that democrate was Bill Clinton with the vice president Mr I invented the internet Gore casting the tie breaking vote. Go learn your history and then discover that social security is living on paper only. It is truly broke and has been.
There are your facts written in every history book I can remember and you up to date news up to Clinton. Bush tried to get a fix started but because he had a totally democratic house and senate he got little done. Just like Fannie and Freddy, nothing was, every was and is not wrong with the system.
Wrong Again!
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August 24th, 2010
11:05 pm
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Ole Guy
August 25th, 2010
10:48 am
When there’s more young adults, with battalions of kids in tow, than there are ole farts at the local SS office, THEY’S A’SOMTIN WRONG!
Jim R. Uselton
August 30th, 2010
4:16 pm
I would like to know if I could get more SS Benefits from my exwife SS. She retried a few years ago at 65 and retried at 62 and she made more money than I did. Thanks
Jim R. Uselton
August 30th, 2010
4:17 pm
I forgot to say ,we were married for 25 years.
James Daniel, CFP®
September 1st, 2010
1:58 pm
re: Jim Useltons question:
Jim,
You are allowed to claim the higher of your benefit or 50% of your ex-spouses benefit. Contact your local Social Security office and inquire about it.
James Eibes
September 5th, 2010
9:10 am
I was told I’m elligable for a cell phone with my disability benefits, Is this true?