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Catching up with Elliott Yamin who is literally big in Japan

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AT&T sponsored a concert/meet-and-greet outside Nokia Theatre last Tuesday with 15 former “American Idol” contestants and made several available for press calls, too.

The top 3 people requested by you, the readers, were Michael Johns, Diana DeGarmo and Elliott Yamin. Ask, and you shall receive! I last spoke with Yamin when he was in Atlanta in 2009 promoting his last U.S. release, “Fight For Love,” which sold only a small fraction of his self-titled debut album in 2007, which benefited from a world-wide hit “Wait For You.”

Yamin, who finished third season five and now lives in Los Angeles, is currently working on his third U.S. album and recently did commentary for the Hollywood Reporter about the top three. Not surprisingly, given his own predilections to soul and jazz, he loved Haley Reinhart and wasn’t excited about the top two.

To be honest, I’m kind of baffled by the final two. I’m sure Jimmy Iovine will find hits for these kids, but I just don’t see anything that unique about them, and I think we’re learning more and more that oftentimes, it takes a lot more than just a good voice, or even a great voice. I don’t hear a great voice in either one and it’s a singing competition.

Haley, he told me Monday, has “that raspy tone that I love. Any good-looking girl who can hold a note like that always raises the attractiveness factor. What put me over the top was that jazzy number she did with Casey Abrams. That was right up her alley. It’s a shame she’s not in the final. All the love she got will carry her a long way.”

He said Haley got rougher treatment from the judges than Lauren Alaina or Scotty McCreery. He felt the judges were sometimes “patronizing” to the teens. “I just think those were the times when I wish Simon was still on the show. There’s nothing patronizing about his comments!”

For Lauren and Scotty, he said before the finale, “they are in good hands no matter how they fare in the finale. This show has focused on developing the artist and really finding a lane for those artists. It’s kind of cool to see, especially young artists who are trying to find their way.”

Yamin was one of the least experienced singers ever to make the top three. He had virtually no stage time before “Idol,” unlike many others who have finished at No. 3, including Reinhart. In many ways for us viewers, that was his charm. He grew before our very eyes.

“I was totally learning on the fly,” Yamin said. “I was very green to the whole process. I wouldn’t have changed a thing about that. I learned so much.”

Yamin said he was treated relatively well by the judges, even Simon. But he still remembers how rough Simon was on Bucky Covington and Taylor Hicks (he calls him Tay-Tay), two of his closest friends from that season. “He trashed them any chance he could get,” Yamin recalled. The one that stuck was when Simon felt Taylor was like his drunk uncle at a wedding. He is also friends with Ace Young (”he lives right around the corner”), Blake Lewis (”I was actually texting him before this call”), Kimberly Caldwell, Michael Johns and Diana DeGarmo.

“There’s something about the show that all alums can relate to that very few people in the country can say they experienced or know what it’s like,” he said. “I think that common bond ties us tighter for eternity. I’m proud to be part of that fraternity.”

Yamin said he’s happy and his diabetes is under control. But without a hit song in a few years, his profile has gone down gradually over time and he knows it. “I will say it’s not a cake walk,” he said. “It’s only gotten harder. I know with each season that starts up, it turns out a new crop of Idols. So the further removed you are from the show, I find it a little harder to stay afloat. A lot of that has to do with how I’ve handled my own thing. One thing I’ve learned is nowadays it’s easier to get a song or record out than ever before. I want to work on utilizing all the tools and resources around me a little better. I don’t want these lapses between albums to be so long.”

He said he needs to nurture his his fan base. “I really need to work on my touring base and my online community,” he said. Touring is a challenge because that takes money he doesn’t have without label support. (He is no longer with Hickory Records.)

Interestingly, he’s had bigger success not in the United States but in Japan. He’s toured there four times now and has visited eight or nine times.

He even released a Japan-only album earlier this year. Why? “I haven’t wasted a lot of time trying to figure it out,” Yamin said. “They really appreciate soul music over there, soulful singers and genuine artists. And I feel like my career has enabled me to grow in my artistry. When I first came on the show, I was still trying to figure that out.”

Yamin has even tried to learn some basic Japanese. “It’s a sexy language,” he said. “It’s a difficult language.” He hasn’t done songs in Japanese though he has dueted with Japanese artists, who sing their parts in Japanese.

He said he will take some of his songs from his most recent album released in the U.S. and integrate them with new songs he’s working on now. He hopes to put together a cohesive album, something he still believes in despite the fact the world is now focused so much on singles.

“I’m not making music for yesterday,” Yamin said. “I’m trying to make music that’s timeless and has a lasting impression. Too many songs in the pop contemporary world are hot today, forgotten tomorrow. I want to have a sustaining career.”

He admits he does not listen to radio at all nowadays but gets his new music from the Web or from friends. He likes Florence & the Machine, Lady Antebellum and Amos Lee.

78 comments Add your comment

Rickster™ © ®

May 24th, 2011
9:36 am

Compared to the average Japanese resident… of course Elliott’s big! :-)

Rickster™ © ®

May 24th, 2011
9:46 am

He ain’t the most attractive of fellas, is he? (But then again… neither am I.)

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
10:03 am

I really enjoyed reading this interview, Rodney. Elliot was forthcoming and talked about interesting things. I always liked his voice although he was not my 1st choice during season 5…a season that I think still ranks as one of the best ever on Idol. How many seasons can boast that number of really talented singers? Taylor, Kat, Elliot, Chris Daughtry, Kellie Pickler, Paris Bennett even Bucky and Ace. What a season!

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
10:08 am

Any one of the first 6 I named could have won and it would have been ok.

Cadre

May 24th, 2011
10:13 am

I posted this on the other blog in reponse to the Dixie Chicks comments then realized there was a new blog up…

I wanted add a comment about the Dixie Chicks and country music turning on them. As Deirdre said, when they made the comments in France, it turned the country music community against them. Had they made those same comments in America, the backlash would not have been near as bad, at least in my opinion. Those comments were made not long after 9/11 when patriotism was at an all time high.

Then as popularity for Bush started falling and many country fans were getting excited about the Chicks again, Natalie again opened her big mouth and this time it was the final blow to country music fans. She stated that they did not want the same fans that had Toby Keith or Reba in their CD players.

Mercedes S.

May 24th, 2011
10:19 am

Thanks for interview, Rodney! Always liked EY.

Re Harriet “They had to sing big band, pop, oldies, etc. to move on from week to week… that was missing this year.” Exactly. That’s why we’re having the country fest tonight. Scotty was NEVER challenged, Lauren only somewhat.

Sam-A: “Scotty… I couldn’t stand to listen to 2 songs in a row from him”. Exactly. Which is why I prefer Lauren, becuse I can see her develop, while Scotty will stay the same. Maybe some people like that. i don’t.

Deirdre, thanks for link to Michael Sarver…is it possible Imixed him up with someone else? Even though he was born in Sulphur, La, he does seem a nice guy.

Btw, D, don’t quite understand your previous comment, “badmouthing the US in a foreign country is a whole different kettle of fish…” plus, the Dixie Chicks were not bad mouthing their country, they were badmouything the US president at the time!

Harriett

May 24th, 2011
10:35 am

Mercedes, the point of never having been challenged is the whole story of this season for these two finalists. They were allowed to remain in their own little boxes and never had to venture out of them or stretch themselves. I think that was partly what was so much fun about the prior seasons–looking to see what a singer would do with the different genres and how imaginitive they could be. None of that this season. I feel bad to complain, given the talent level of this year, but I feel cheated somehow.

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
11:15 am

I thought Motown was pretty challenging for Scottie…..and I’d blame the mentors for helping Scottie countrify everything he sang. And Scotty did Elvis very well. Yes, it was rockabilly but it was still Elvis.

Mercedes, imo, badmouthing the President in a foreign country IS badmouthing the US. We may not all like our President or agree with his policies but I don’t think any of us should be making our feelings known VERY publicly while visiting on foreign soil. Or, for that matter, using our fame(if we had any) telling people in other countries what they ought to think about our President. It was totally out of place.

Harriett

May 24th, 2011
11:20 am

Actually, D, I had forgotten about Motown. Scotty did a respectable job on For Once in My Life. It was a bit countrified still. And, anyone who sings country can sing much of the music of Elvis.

Mercedes S.

May 24th, 2011
11:27 am

Thanks for response, D., still don’t see why you think it’s ok to badmouth president in the US and not OK to badmouth him overseas. Do we only have freedom of speech while at home?

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
11:40 am

It isn’t about freedom of speech…it’s about propriety. I wouldn’t expect one of the many famous British actors who work in the US to start telling us what a fool the Prime Minister is and I’d have less respect for that actor if he did.

We complain about famous people using their fame as a bully pulpit for their political beliefs but to complain about our President in a foreign country steps, imo, beyond the bounds of what is right. If Elizabeth Hasselbeck went to France and started declaring that our current President is an idiot, I’d be pretty upset with her too. The President represents the US, he deserves, if not agreement, respect. The Dixie Chicks disrespected the President in a foreign land. It was, imo, beyond rude.

Mercedes S.

May 24th, 2011
11:57 am

Deirdre has spoken, and spoken well.

Rickster™ © ®

May 24th, 2011
12:02 pm

There’s an old saying that “Politics ends at the water’s edge.” There’s also an old saying that “He may be an (insert your term here)… but he’s our (insert same term here).”

I may not like – or agree with – the current (or many many former occupants of the Oval Office. But there’s no way I’d go to another country and bad-mouth either him or (hopefully someday) her. It’s just not right.

It’s similar to a family squabble.

My brother & I were definitely not the best of friends… but if someone tried to get a few shots in on one of us, we knew the other would come to our defense.

Yes, the loud-mouth from the Dixie Chicks has a right to say whatever she wants – whenever and wherever she wants. (Like that group has the right to build a mosque near Ground Zero.)

But just because you have the right to do something… that doesn’t make it the right thing to do.

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
12:10 pm

Wow! I think Rickster said it better!

Rickster™ © ®

May 24th, 2011
12:13 pm

Like Cynthia McKinney…. going on Libyan television and blasting America.

She has the right to say it… but she shouldn’t.

Rickster™ © ®

May 24th, 2011
12:17 pm

WOW! (faint) thud

Rickster™ © ®

May 24th, 2011
12:18 pm

Thanks your queenness! :-)

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
12:20 pm

Yeah but Cynthia has always been an attention-ho. Nobody in their right mind would take her seriously…except the libyan leadership.

Branch Loveless

May 24th, 2011
12:24 pm

Rodney- thanks for the Elliott Yamin interview; interesting stuff for sure. The wife and I rooted for him to do well back in his season and we hope he continues to find some success.

REALLY looking forward to the Diana DeGarmo thread. May not catch it until in the morning, but sure it will be worth the wait! She’s a little prettier than Elliott.

For tonight: Go Lauren!!!

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
12:26 pm

Anyhoo…back to Idol…rumors are spinning that James will be singing with Judas Priest tomorrow night. I thought STyler promised him a duet.

Which reminds me of the worst duet EVER during a finale. Kat singing with Meatloaf! I mean, seriously, who thought that would work?

Mercedes S.

May 24th, 2011
12:27 pm

I remember Cynthia’s golden sneakers… attention-ho, yes.

BTW, does everybody here know about TONIGHT??

Mercedes S.

May 24th, 2011
12:29 pm

“…she’s a little prettier than Elliot” – and still Elliot got “fixed up”. Seem to remember teeth job. His looks would improve a lot without that scruff on his chin.

Branch Loveless

May 24th, 2011
12:29 pm

I know about tonight, Mercedes. “American Idol” from 8-9 PM and then “The Voice” from 10-11 PM.

Groovy! :D

Rickster™ © ®

May 24th, 2011
12:30 pm

Steven promised he’d perform with James if James made the finals. (Which is why Steven messed with the final vote counts so he wouldn’t have to perform.)

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
12:31 pm

mj is now reportiing that U2 is NOT performing…JT was right, it’s Bono and The Edge promoting Spiderman:the musical (yawn)

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
12:34 pm

Looking forward to the finale tomorrow…not so much the sing-off tonight… however, can’t wait to see Cook sing tonight….can live without the teens but whaddaya gonna do? we’re stuck with them.

Heard that Tom Hanks, on Ellen, said he voted for Haley.

Harriett

May 24th, 2011
12:50 pm

I am looking forward to the finale, too, D–and for the very reasons you put forth. And, David Cook has to be my all-time favorite Idol! Judas Priest aside, I am looking forward to James, too. His “Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow ” stands right there with Cookie’s “Music of the Night” for me. I have it downloaded onto my IPod and can enjoy it long after the season is just a memory.

JTesla

May 24th, 2011
12:56 pm

I may have been “right”, but I really wanted to be wrong. (At least as far as my relaying the rumor).

Branch Loveless

May 24th, 2011
12:58 pm

Mr. Hanks may have voted for Haley but alas she didn’t make it to the finale. So he now needs to Vote Lauren. I’m sure he will read this and do just that.

BTW, Rodney, forgot to ask if we can have many pics with Diana thread. If it’s not too much trouble…thanks!

That is all. Vote Lauren!

Rickster™ © ®

May 24th, 2011
1:14 pm

If Hines Ward wins tonight… and Lauren wins tomorrow night… the state of Ga will be two-for-two! :-)

Personally, I think it’ll be 0-for-2.

G

May 24th, 2011
1:22 pm

Harriet’s comment @ 10:35AM….”Mercedes, the point of never having been challenged is the whole story of this season for these two finalists. They were allowed to remain in their own little boxes and never had to venture out of them or stretch themselves.”

I agree 100%, and that’s why I find it incredibly difficult to support either finalist this year. Furthermore, the judges let them slide every time. They challenged other artists that were more talented to venture outside of the box, but praised Scotty for countrifying everything. The double-standard was obviously biased.

I see Dierdre’s point too. The mentors should’ve been a bit more helpful (especially Motown week), in “TEACHING” the box-singers to respect the integrity songs, without making it catering to their strengths and covering their weaknesses.

Rhonda

May 24th, 2011
1:35 pm

Please, Elliot Yamin who was in finale with Taylor Hicks and Katherine McVee. Worst three ever. What have they done. He should be more concern that Daughtry got eliminated in his season, not about Haley this season. Lauren and Scotty can sing circle’s around Elliot. He is just running his mouth, hoping Haley will hear and give him a call. This show is about good consistent singing which Lauren and Scotty both have done. Not about winning because you sometime’s do well and look hot. He is obviously desperate for a hook up. Hook up in China or wherever no one wants you here.

Rodney Ho

May 24th, 2011
1:39 pm

Just spoke with Michael Johns, who was flattered he was our top pick to talk to. And he didn’t disapoint! Will save Diana for later in the week but will post Michael tomorrow. He gave me some timely stuff, including a bold prediction that Lauren will win. He had predicted David Cook and Kris seasons 7 and 8 so he’s worth listening to. When he met the top 11 at the Muhammad Ali event in Phoenix, he told Lauren he thought she could make the finals to her face!

JTesla

May 24th, 2011
1:40 pm

But in years past we celebrated those that made songs “their own”. Granted, this season these two made the songs their own by making them boring.

Boring, boring, boring. Luckily only one hour, and we have Cook to look forward to.

So no Lee? Will Idol distance themselves more from Lee than they did from Taylor?

JTesla

May 24th, 2011
1:42 pm

Hey Rhonda, guess what? You just failed basic geography.

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
1:43 pm

Rhonda…well, Katharine McPhee stars in a new show this fall…so I wouldn’t discount her just yet…the girl is still working.

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
1:44 pm

Also Rhonda…Elliot is “running his mouth” because Rodney was asking him questions…what did you want him to do, sit there like a bump on a log and say nothing?

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
1:46 pm

Rodney…great news about the Michael Johns interview…I trust you will be posting a picture…or two.

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
1:57 pm

So…just want to say that it will be very nice to have all the night crew around on the slow blog tonight. We have a pretty nice bunch of regulars who hang out there while y’all are typing away madly on coveritlive.

Seems fitting that we’d all get back together again for the final performance show even if some of you rather be somewhere else.

Sam-A

May 24th, 2011
2:14 pm

Second the request for pix of the handsome Michael Johns! Can’t wait to read the interview.

♥ kelly&carriefan ♥

May 24th, 2011
2:26 pm

I wasn’t a huge fan of his singing (sorry, D!), but I always thought he was a really nice guy from Buckhead, GA…wherever that is. ;)

So, the Idol Nation is in an uproar that Lee wasn’t asked to the finale…I was by no means a Lee fan, but I do think that he probably should’ve been asked. It’s tradition. And I could’ve used the time to refresh my beverage.

So, rumor is that Pia has a single all read to go. Who is surprised? Not me.

JTesla

May 24th, 2011
2:40 pm

Wait, there are actually people who, not only realize that Lee won’t be there, but also are upset about it? I guess I didn’t account for the 41 people who bought his album.

♥ kelly&carriefan ♥

May 24th, 2011
2:47 pm

LOL, JT….that’s the best comment I’ve heard on this! :)

Nutmeg

May 24th, 2011
2:48 pm

* It says something that Crystal performed on Idol this season and Lee didn’t.

* Re: the Dixie Chicks: What was said was this: “Just so you know, we’re on the good side with y’all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we’re ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas.” To put that in context, we had just entered a war on false pretenses (WMDs in Iraq, which the nation was misled to believe were there although the administration knew by that point that they were not), and America’s actions were deeply unpopular in the world. I think they were very clear that they were against *violence*, and the reason they were ashamed of the president centered on *war*. If you’re going to take that kind of principled stand on something, for heaven’s sake be consistent about it. Say it at home and abroad and be true to your principles.

Now, I don’t take away anyone’s right to be deeply offended by their remarks and pull their attention away from their work. I simply note that it shows a way in which my personal values (for instance, that war is never good and all people on earth are equal) conflict with country music values (my country, right or wrong and other forms of patriotism). No, I don’t think the rap or hiphop communities would close ranks against someone who criticized the country while abroad.

* Deirdre wrote, “Stereotyping is very non-productive. Assigning traits to people based on what they look like, or what their political standing is or what church they go to or don’t go to or what music they like ignores the individual and smacks of group-think.”

I find a difference between stereotyping and statistical analysis. For instance, either almost 10 percent of the population listens to country music and no other type of music, or they don’t. This isn’t stereotyping; it’s a factual claim. It’s not “stereotyping” to say that most Georgia residents vote Republican; it’s a fact. I wish that I could remember where I read that more people will *not* listen to country than many other genres (although I recall that rap was also right up there). But I was able to find the two citations that make up the not-quite-10 percent figure, which to me is a striking number on the order of about 30 million US citizens who listen to country music to the exclusion of anything else.

This bothered me about the Richard Hatch vs. John Rich moment on Celebrity Apprentice (which Marlee Matlin should’ve won in a runaway, just as Annie Duke should’ve won in her year). Richard Hatch made some claims about country music listeners being perceived as less educated, etc., and John Rich got all up in arms over that (as he should; it’s his fan base).

This annoyed me because the online responses were all “I agree with Hatch” vs. “I agree with Rich.” It doesn’t matter who people “agree with.” One of them is right and one of them is wrong. Either people *do* tend to perceive country music fans as less educated and sophisticated, or they *don’t* tend to perceive country music fans as less educated and sophisticated. Arguing about it doesn’t change jack. (I don’t have access to that information, but if someone with money cares, hire Gallup and do a survey). That’s not perpetuating a stereotype; that’s seeing if there *is* a stereotype… two *very* different things.

Some say “Well, that’s not my experience, so I don’t believe it regardless.” I simply note that the plural of anecdote is not data and trends don’t include every single person. They are trends.

JTesla

May 24th, 2011
2:54 pm

“* It says something that Crystal performed on Idol this season and Lee didn’t.”

Wait, didn’t he? I’m pretty sure that he did early in the season. Hard for me to remember though, because I’m not one of the 41 who bought his album.

As for the rest:

“we had just entered a war on false pretenses” which we didn’t know at that time. Not debating anything, just clearing up a misconception that is in place due to hindsight.

And for all the statistical analysis: is it safe to say that 49% of the population has below average intelligence?

Sam-A

May 24th, 2011
3:01 pm

Nutmeg: Sometimes I disagree with you, and sometimes I agree with you!

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
3:12 pm

I simply note that it shows a way in which my personal values (for instance, that war is never good and all people on earth are equal) conflict with country music values (my country, right or wrong and other forms of patriotism).

That seems like stereotyping to me.

And “statistical analysis” is not the same as the results of a poll. As we all are very aware, polling can and often is skewed by the way questions are asked.

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
3:13 pm

Lee did, indeed, perform on a results show this season.

♥ kelly&carriefan ♥

May 24th, 2011
3:21 pm

JT, you are correct. Lee did perform earlier in the year, so did Crystal.

Not that anyone asked me, but my opinions regarding country music and their perceived prejudice are way too long and complicated to get into at the moment. I probably should be one of the last people who admits to enjoying it, but I do. Personally, I like that the songs usually tell stories…and tend promote a love of family and country, being proud of your heritage and where you’ve come from. But like anything, to each their own.

JTesla

May 24th, 2011
3:30 pm

With the exception of a few songs, I don’t like Country music in general. However, the two women who rule my household are big fans, so I can’t talk much about Country music fans. Not any of the ones I know are ignorant country bumpkins, and I do know more than 2.

I do however stand by my prior statement that Country music is one of the most elitist types of music that we have. Look no further than what is being said about Scotty regarding the possibility of radio airplay for evidence of that.

Mercedes S.

May 24th, 2011
3:47 pm

For the life of me I CAN NOT remember Lee DeWyze performing on Idol this season.

Mercedes S.

May 24th, 2011
3:50 pm

But hey, I remembered how to spell his name!

Julie

May 24th, 2011
3:53 pm

Rodney, were you able to ask Diana about her upcoming 3 show Hollywood Bowl gig in Hairspray? She’s reprising her role as Penny Pingleton in a cast that also includes Harvey Fierstein, Nick Jonas, Drew Carey, Corbin Bleu and John Stamos.

♥ kelly&carriefan ♥

May 24th, 2011
4:08 pm

JT, well, yes, the country establishment is definitely elitist. But to some extent, isn’t the whole music industry? And I think country is getting Idol fatigue. Idol’s who’ve done something in the country area: Carrie, Kellie, Bucky, Kelly, Josh Gracin, Phil Stacey, Chris S (writing), Diana, Bo, Kristy Lee, Michael Sarver, Danny Gokey, Aaron Kelly, Casey James, Crystal, Lauren and Scotty… and I might have missed some who’ve got Nashville ties.

Highlander

May 24th, 2011
4:09 pm

Anyone who knows me (and the list seems to be dwindling!) knows I’m not Country music’s biggest fan. Grew up listening to it (mostly having to) and didn’t care for it then either.

But those were the days when every song was in the Tammy Wynette-George Jones-Merle Haggard style. Mostly sad stories with an extra helping of twang!

However, as I’ve said before, much of the newer Country music sounds like some of the same stuff that John Mellencamp, Bob Seger and even Bruce Springsteen were doing years ago. (The Country acts just sometimes replace Rock’s slide guitar with a steel guitar.)

I also don’t buy into the thought that Country music is more polarizing than Rap! Even the worst Country music at least has a melody! :D

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
4:09 pm

k&cf…my cousin, who was visiting for my mom’s 90th birthday, plays for your team. Her partner, who I was meeting for the first time, even though they’ve been together for 9 years(Northern Ireland is far away)is from Lowell, MA. We took them to Taco Mac one night, which they LOVED and there was a country song playing. My cousin and her partner love country music…which absolutely floored me…(my own personal stereotypes coming into play, I’m sure)…anyhow, they said exactly the same thing you just said…”we probably should be the last people to admit this but….”

You brought back good memories of a very fun evening!

JTesla

May 24th, 2011
4:22 pm

Good points K&Cfan.

Neg for Haley

May 24th, 2011
4:23 pm

Still shaking my head at how many stupid people there are out there. It’s criminal that Haley is not in the finale.

Mercedes S.

May 24th, 2011
4:30 pm

Get over it Neg, we haven’t seen the last of Haley…

G

May 24th, 2011
4:31 pm

Country music and Rap have more commonalities than a lot of people even realize. If you take out the superficial pallets, the core of what they try to accomplish are the same. Just like you have different types of country, you have different types of rap.

Rickster™ © ®

May 24th, 2011
4:33 pm

I have to take exception to Nutmeg’s statement, “To put that in context, we had just entered a war on false pretenses (WMDs in Iraq, which the nation was misled to believe were there although the administration knew by that point that they were not)..

We needed no justification whatsoever to go into Iraq. There was no peace treaty. There was no surrender. US forces agreed to cease offensive operations against Iraq as part of Desert Storm – if (and this is a BIG IF) – they abided by the terms of the cease fire. Terms included dismantling its WMD program and destroying those in its possession. They agreed to inspections by the IAEA and a host of other conditions – which they routinely and consistently ignored.

Bush 41 could have gone back in in the brief time after the war he was still in office. Clinton could have gone back in if he wanted to.

No votes by Congress were needed. No UN resolutions were required.

Saddam agreed to do certain things if we stopped destroying his army. He didn’t.

We had every right to go back in.

Harriett

May 24th, 2011
4:34 pm

I will catch up with everyone tonight on the slow blog. That’s where I hang these days anyway. Still a fan of the show, if not the finalists!

Sam-A

May 24th, 2011
4:52 pm

Rickster, we really must NOT talk of such things when we are in the super secret bunker!

♥ kelly&carriefan ♥

May 24th, 2011
4:52 pm

Aw, D, that’s a nice story…and I do enjoy Taco Mac as well!

G

May 24th, 2011
5:00 pm

@Rickster…As I recall, there was never any proof of WMD. The American people were mislead during the Bush administration to garner support for invading Iraq, when it wasn’t popular. I don’t understand why you believe we needed no justification to go into Iraq. Apparetly, the “justification” from the administration at the time shifted from 911, to WMD, to liberation of another country.

Anyway, don’t want to clog the blog with politics. JMO

Rickster™ © ®

May 24th, 2011
5:17 pm

G: Neg brought it up first. :-)

As for not needing any justification, please re-read my previous post. There’s a difference between a cease-fire (which is what was put into place) and truce.

Have a great evening, folks!

JTesla

May 24th, 2011
5:20 pm

Clinton bombed Iraq… well he personally didn’t, but he was Commander in Chief when it occurred. Proof of WMD’s were not required of him. I agree that we were misled (or more correctly Congress was misled), but just as Bill didn’t need to prove that it was justified Bush didn’t. Broad powers were granted, those powers were exercised. Justification was only “supplied” to win political points.

I do have a problem with broad powers being granted by anyone to anyone.

Rickster™ © ®

May 24th, 2011
5:24 pm

Sam-A – being in the super secret, undisclosed, highly-secure but oh so comfy bunker is the perfect time to talk of such things! :-)

And I missed some of the earlier threads. I’m very sorry to hear of the loss of your mother.

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
5:59 pm

During the finale tomorrow night, Scotty and Lauren will be joined by Beyonce, Lady Gaga and Carrie Underwood in a cheesy group sing. I don’t know for sure that it will be cheesy but I sure hope it will.

JTesla

May 24th, 2011
6:04 pm

That’s epic. Can they cut Scotty and Lauren out of that group? Give us a super group that is truly super.

Deirdre

May 24th, 2011
6:12 pm

Oops…left one out..STyler will be involved in that group sing as well.

rivercard

May 24th, 2011
6:19 pm

@Rickster – I hate to get into politics on this blog, but I feel compelled to point out the following:

“US forces agreed to cease offensive operations against Iraq as part of Desert Storm ” That would be UN forces. This was done under numerous UN resolutions and the issue of whether we had the right to go in under these previous resolutions, without Security Council approval, is debatable. Bush and crew knew UN approval was not in the cards(others weren’t so quick to buy the WMD fairy tale).

rivercard

May 24th, 2011
6:26 pm

Correction to my own statement – Coalition forces

rivercard

May 24th, 2011
6:47 pm

Good interview with Elliot. Have to say I agree with his assessment of this years idol 100%.

Rodney- Are you watching the voice ? If so, what is your opinion?

Steve

May 25th, 2011
12:06 am

This guy truly deserves success. Can’t forget how he was introduced by his grandma(?)/mother(?) during one of his performances. “Ladies and gentlemen…. MY Elliot Yamin…”

http://www.whatwouldsimonsay.net/

J.Taylor

May 25th, 2011
12:55 pm

Great interview with Elliot! I agree with his thoughts on the current season so much and I disagreed with almost everything Michael Johns said. Heh.

Rickster™ © ®

May 25th, 2011
5:13 pm

To Rivercard: Gen. Norman Schwartzkopf, while he served as Commander of U.S. Central Command, was commander of the Coalition Forces in the Persian Gulf War of 1991, was the one that signed the cease fire.

Julie Santero (Archuleta)

May 30th, 2011
10:43 am

Elliott’s voice has captured me. He could sing the alphabet and I would buy the cd. He is genuine and has a good heart. I hope he is able to keep pushing until he is well established in the business of music. My girls and I are excited he is coming back to Sparks, NV to sing. We welcome him with open arms. Thanks for the article. Julie