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Nigel Lythgoe says no more top 24. But what replaces it?

american-idol-producer-nigel-lythgoe-promises-the-new-season-will-be-great-without-simon-cowellNigel Lythgoe told TV Guide that “Idol” is getting rid of the semifinal rounds which usually get us from 24 to 12.

Hmm… what will they replace it with? Will the judges pick the 12 straight out? How will “Idol” fill those extra three weeks?

He also said contestants will have to make their own music videos and create an “award show” type performance. The lack of stagecraft this past year was appalling so it’s clear they are hoping to rectify that big time.

He repeats the focus on decade-style themes as opposed to genres.

And the launch date is January 12, 2011.

Now will somebody address the issue of unlimited text voting?

-Crystal Bowersox’s first single will be “Farmer’s Daughter,” AINow announced. The problem: Rodney Atkins has a single out now also called “Farmer’s Daughter,” which is in the top 5 on country radio. She may have to change the title.

- “Mama’s Song” makes a comeback. After a week-over-week slippage yesterday, the Carrie Underwood ballad makes a modest comeback today, jumping to 5,697 spins from Nov. 11-17, up 97 spins from Nov. 4-10. It remains at No. 11, 300 spins ahead of the Keith Urban song “Put You In a Song.”

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Sam-A

November 18th, 2010
11:43 am

The 24 has always been a fave – get to see a bit more of each one and kinda pre-select the ones you’ll pull for! What “videos”? I just want to hear them sing!

JTesla

November 18th, 2010
11:50 am

I’ll have to wait and see how it goes. The last few years have been so bad that all the lofty promises of change don’t make me feel any better about it.

Are either Crystal or Rodney Atkins farmer’s daughters?

Deirdre

November 18th, 2010
12:16 pm

I don’t like losing the top 24. Especially if it means the judges will pick the top 12!

Rodney says that he didn’t realize the format had changed regarding the number of posts per page. He is changing it back to 100 instead of 50.

Deirdre

November 18th, 2010
12:18 pm

It looks like they really want to get away from the guitar-playing-singer-songwriter this year. If they want to assure that we have a talented winner they also need to LIMIT THE VOTING!!!!!

Sam-A

November 18th, 2010
12:30 pm

Amen to limiting the voting. 5 calls per phone seems more than enough to me, especially since most households (not mine I’m proud to say!) have at least 1 cell per person.

As with “Dancing…”, the judges should account for some of it (though when I think back to a few of the Idol judges faves, ie Archie & F – that really doesn’t seem so good an idea) And of course, we’re right now witnessing that system fall to pieces before our very eyes with “Dancing”, unfortunately. Who knows what the best and fairest system would be for culling the worst early on and actually having the best few competing for the title!

wreckedpizza

November 18th, 2010
1:04 pm

I am excited about changes for “Idol” but think some restraint might be in order. Some change good; mucho change could be bad. I am still relying on Nigel to have a master plan to boost the show but wonder if he may go a tad too far…guess we’ll see.

As for the posts per page crisis: what diff is it whether there are 50, 100 or 1000??? We’re gonna read through most of them anyway, right?

DooDoo

November 18th, 2010
2:59 pm

Who cares?………….yawn.

Mercedes S.

November 18th, 2010
2:59 pm

Extra clicks needed at 50, ‘pizza.

The Bristol brouhaha has spread to the British isles. This morning, friend mailed from Devon, asking “did the Palins really name their kid “Bristol? Over here, that’s what we call the appendages of well-endowed girls. As in, ‘that’s a lovely pair of bristols’.”

JTesla

November 18th, 2010
3:26 pm

I may not like the Palin’s, but I wouldn’t mind a more thorough investigation of Bristol’s bristols’. Just sayin.

Less clicks better for the 50 vs. 100.

kelly&carriefan

November 18th, 2010
3:46 pm

That’s hilarious. So would “Carrie has a nice set of bristols” be proper usage?

Oh, and all this Mama’s Song watch has got me curious. Found a way to keep track of Kelly’s duet with Jason Aldean. Since it’s “premiere” at the CMAs a week ago, it’s been added by 98 stations. Not bad for a week, I think.

Rosita

November 18th, 2010
4:18 pm

Speaking of the Bristol, check this out:
http://www.accessatlanta.com/celebrities-tv/wis-man-accused-of-744523.html?cxntlid=thbz_hm
My soulmate: if he weren’t a married man I would definitely go after him!

JTesla

November 18th, 2010
4:46 pm

I feel for the guy, I did the same thing when Kim Kardashian got the boot from DWTS.

Harriett

November 18th, 2010
4:49 pm

Thanks for the laugh, Mercedes. You, too, JT. Time to say bye for today.

Mercedes S.

November 18th, 2010
4:56 pm

But Rosita, did you take a good look at your “soulmate”????

Rosita

November 18th, 2010
5:06 pm

Ha ha yeah Mercedes — I knew he was married, so I didn’t have to deal with it! :-)

Chuckles™

November 18th, 2010
5:19 pm

Yep. Nigel is doing what he did back when he was running the show with Ken Warwick. He’s floating trial balloons to the media to see what viewer reaction to potential changes may be. The idea of eliminating the 24 to 12 progression in order to get to the actual competition has been around for a while. This eliminates a lot of cost, staff time mentoring the 13-21 crowd, and song releases for folks who give them ZERO return on investment in terms of potential artists.

From what I’ve heard, they will be sending about 200-300 folks to hollywood (about 2-3 times more) and proceed with elimination rehearsals (like “hell week” has been), until they have a final group of contenders that will compete on stage for the final spots. The process resembles a bigger version of what the’ve been running in Orlando at the ‘Idol’ venue. They have hourly audition shows that release a winner to the nightly final, which picks a winner who gets a ‘yellow pass’ to an Idol interview with an associate producer.

This means a faster progression to the actual talent. This also means more time to develop the offstage reality show content that will be crafted by Interscope/19 to engage viewers with the contestants. Their goal is to have more marketable artists emerge this year, no matter what the finish order is, like season 6.

This is not the end of the announcements. Expect more chatter about the early favorites of the producers, including potential Fox affiliate news stories before the January intro date.

I-Ninjakicksbackxfactor

November 19th, 2010
6:19 am

They should just make the top 12 all cute white guys cause the voters want it that way.

Mercedes S.

November 19th, 2010
7:05 am

Ninja – how about adding, to your 12 cute white guys, “with mediocre voices”…

Morning, all!

Harriett

November 19th, 2010
7:58 am

Good morning, and hey, Chuckles. Good to hear from you from time to time in the off-season. Always enjoy your insider stuff.

Deirdre

November 19th, 2010
8:01 am

Morning!

Interesting stuff, Chuckles…thanks for popping in!

We’ll be seeing the new Harry Potter this weekend…can’t wait. It gets an A- in the ajc.

Sam-A

November 19th, 2010
8:41 am

Buying my tix today for Harry – Sunday afternoon show (hard to wait that long, but have a birthday to celebrate tomorrow, either at Blue Willow or Smith House).

As a woman, cute guys are great, as long as they can sing; however, I’d much rather have a slew of Kelly Clarkson sound-alikes any day!

Lee D was on Ellen yesterday, and didn’t sound so hot. Had a few bars that were ok, but on the whole, not good!

Deirdre

November 19th, 2010
8:47 am

So, according to Nigel, the judges will pick the top 12:

“When you’re showing viewers 34 people and asking the country to judge 34 people, you don’t know who’s talented — you only know the ones who’ve had a bit of their stories shown in the auditions.

“It’s much easier to say, ‘Here are the Final 12, now here are their stories, and start figuring out who you like.’

Not sure I like this but I do understand Nigel’s point. Many people who make the top 12 do so on back story rather than talent. The obvious fix for this is to not go into back stories until the audience has picked the top 12.

Mercedes S.

November 19th, 2010
9:14 am

“Not going into backstories until later” – ditto that.

I missed the school in Last HP Pt 1…most of the movie involves Harry, Ron and Hermione travelling around a wet, wintry, British countryside in a fancy magic tent, sharing confidences (or not) and giving in to their raging hormones (or not – this is where the “animal” kiss comes in). Adults make few appearances. Wanted more of the evil one and his minions. Couple of good snake scenes.

Still worth seeing, though!

Deirdre

November 19th, 2010
9:19 am

Mercedes, you’ll have to blame J.K. Rowling for the story moving away from Hogwarts.

Sam-A

November 19th, 2010
9:27 am

I loved the tent stuff in the book, but I agree, I miss Hogwarts too. The snake scenes are unwatchable for me – have to close my eyes and be told when they’re over. I know it’s not a real snake, but close enough for my terrible snake phobia! Dread next installment’s scene with Nagini and Snape – shuddering already!Voldemort will be plentiful in the next film.

On WXIA, saw Pope High – they’ve turned the school into Hogwarts, divided into the 4 Houses, and the students are dressed as characters – what FUN! Schools weren’t that fun when I went in the Dark Ages.

Woodpappy

November 19th, 2010
9:30 am

Can you believe that I’ve never seen a Harry potter Movie or read the books??? Guess I’ve been too busy.

Mercedes S.

November 19th, 2010
9:33 am

I know. And I remember being bored by the off-Hogwarts stuff when I read the book too.

Tried to issue warning about “The Next Three days”, but post took too long, and didn’t make it…
common poroblem here. Five minutres, and you’re out!

Russell Crowe stars as timid, bookish English prof at community college who becomes obsessed about springing wife (Elizabth Banks) from prison after she has been given a lifetime sentence for murdering her boss. Crowe learns how to becomen a master criminal from googling “skeleton keys” and “how to break into a car with the help of a tennis ball”. Seriously! Everything about the movie is preposterous AND humourless.

Deirdre

November 19th, 2010
9:34 am

Woodpappy, you’ll have to see each movie in order. Just the element of watching the children physically grow up right before your eyes is good and J. K. Rowling’s allowing their personalities to grow as well…….it’s a very well done series. But if you don’t like the idea of wizardry and magic, then it might not be your cup of tea.

Mercedes S.

November 19th, 2010
9:36 am

Ah – made it. Also, Liam Neeson and Olivia Wilde (”13″ on “House”) appear in miniscule “blink, and you’ll miss ‘em” scenes. Kudos to Miss Banks for agreeing to appear throughout the movie in charmless prison garb and bad perm.

Deirdre

November 19th, 2010
9:37 am

Mercedes, have you reviewed 127 Hours yet? I hear it’s very hard to watch but brilliantly acted and directed.

Mercedes S.

November 19th, 2010
9:40 am

My 9:33 post obviously in response to Deirdre’s 9:19 one.

WP, the HP series IS worth seeing, in order…

Idol related item: in her new book, Sarah Palin blames the moral downfall of our country on -”American idol”!!

Mercedes S.

November 19th, 2010
9:44 am

I LOVED “127 hours”. Felt queasy entering the theatre, knowing I’d get to watch a re-enactment of a guy cutting off his arm with a dull knife… but the film is so brilliantly made, and stars a fabulous actor in an Oscar-worthy performance that I almost forgot about the nasty scene at the end. And when it does show up, you’re so invested in the hero, you mentally egg him on – come on, break your arm and cut that nerve already!

Mercedes S.

November 19th, 2010
9:49 am

May sound strange, but “127 Hrs” is – uplifting. The message I took with me from the film is that yes, there is unpleasantness, tragedy and ugly stuff in life, but if there is a will, there is a way.
It is possible to overcome unbelievable hardships.

Mercedes S.

November 19th, 2010
9:53 am

I will now shut up. I have been glued to my window, watching the activities across the street. Five blaring firetrucks, a fire chiefs car and two police cars showed up two hurs ago to put out a fire in my neighbor’s cottage. Good to know 911 gives such a good response these days…. last year I called 911 about a blown transformer and a tree on fire and I was put on hold for 12 minutes.

JTesla

November 19th, 2010
10:00 am

What hasn’t Sarah Palin blamed the “moral downfall” on?

Woodpappy, your missing out! The HP series starts a little kiddie, but it matures. Much like it’s young actors.

Sam-A

November 19th, 2010
10:10 am

The funniest thing about Sarah P’s book (NOT read it – just saw excerpt on AJC: “Did you ever wonder where the producers of ‘American Idol’ come up with the seemingly endless supply of people who can’t sing but are deluded enough to get in front of a national television audience and screech out a song anyway?” Palin asks in the book.

Palin, whose daughter Bristol Palin is currently on the reality show “Dancing With the Stars,” goes on to say those unqualified contestants who appear on “Idol” are “victims of the cult of self-esteem.”

“No one they’ve encountered in their lives — from their parents to their teachers to their president — wanted them to feel bad by hearing the truth,” she writes. “So they grew up convinced they could become big pop stars like Michael Jackson.”

‘Scuse me, but is that not exactly what’s she’s doing, encouraging a non-talented, two-left-footed hunk of gracelessness daughter to “dance” before millions?

Sam-A

November 19th, 2010
10:11 am

PS: Mercedes, I hope your neighbor’s home is ok, as well as any pets that may have been in it.

Harriett

November 19th, 2010
10:18 am

Count me among those who have never read a Potter book nor seen one of the movies. My grandson’s mother was beginning her association with religious extremists at the time the first Potter book came out and forbade any of her kids from reading it. She had two smaller kids from a new marriage, and has essentially ruined their childhoods with her nonsense–no Santa Claus, no references to magic or the metaphysical. My point is, that I kind of missed the boat early because of not being able to share the first wave of Pottermania with him. Thank goodness my grandson was old enough when she started this stuff that he rejected it.

Mercedes S.

November 19th, 2010
10:22 am

I’m going over there right now with a dolly so she can move the fridge (it’s a guest house and the heater had a crack in it) into the main house. Pets – and people ok.

Mercedes S.

November 19th, 2010
10:51 am

Read the AJC report on Bristol with the bristols. Comment by Televsiion analyst Steve Sternberg:

“If you only want the most talented and best to be picked, don’t allow the general public to vote.”

Of course, if you only rely on “expert” judges, it can go the way of the most recent “Project Runway” were the least talented designer won.

JTesla

November 19th, 2010
11:01 am

“If you only want the most talented and best to be picked, don’t allow the general public to vote.”

… or John McCain.

What?

kelly&carriefan

November 19th, 2010
11:02 am

Happy Friday, y’all!

Sam, interesting Palin quote. All I can say is, “Glass houses, anyone?” Sarah Palin is the female W. Both are fun, personable people I’d probably enjoy spending time with huntin’ and drinkin’. Leading this country? Uhh, no. I’d rather have a leader who knows what he’s doing. And I’m not implying that’s Obama either….with him, I think I’d go bowling and beat him easily. ;) (And that’s as political as I get on this here blog.)

So, anyway. Loved Chuckles insight. Not really sure I like this whole skipping of the Top 24. We’ll see. Disclaimer: I haven’t seen X Factor and I’m not entirely sure how it works (I need to research it), but all these changes feel to me like an attempt to “preempt” whatever it brings to the table. Am I the only one?

Woodpappy

November 19th, 2010
11:30 am

Thanks guys for the insight on HP movies. I might just do that…start at the beginning and watch them grow up.

Deirdre

November 19th, 2010
11:36 am

IMO, as a conservative, Sarah Palin is unqualified for the office of the Presidency…course, that didn’t stop our current….never mind. I hope the future nominees stand firmly in the middle on most issues. I’ve had it up to my eyebrows with the ultra-left and the ultra-right. Neither one of those political interests needs to be dictating what I do with my life!

Rodney Ho

November 19th, 2010
12:32 pm

New blog entry with a hot photo of Kat McPhee for the guys!